Charlie Kirk - T & P thread

What I do not understand is why the fixation on the sexual preference of this individual? So lets go with the rights approach here and try and tag the shooter with some left affiliation and especially with an LGBTQ tag, that is agenda number one in most any instance of someone on the right being harmed, red alarm target is how can they be linked to the left and hopefully the far far far left that they are trying to minimize and eliminate.

So lets go with this theory, this shooter has a boyfriend and whatever other extremist associating tag, lets go with it...what does this matter in the scheme of things?

I could make a large group of ANY identification, say 1000 of any grouping and you can include athletes, women, men people from Australia, LGBTQ, NRA enthusiasts, gamers, NFL fans, soda drinkers, pot smokers, vegetarians. You make a group and you will find very similar dispersion rates at the core of that group. You will find a small sub section that are pacifists a section that have anger management issues, a section that is a closet homosexual, a section that has a type A personality, whatever categories you want you can take any group and you will find pretty similar associations outside of outliers or extremists groups.

I intentionally threw in some left and some right groups for a specific reason, I know MANY MANY LGBTQ people and zero have tendencies that are seeking to shoot someone that they might severely disagree with. I also have some gun NRA friends and relatives and people I know and none of them seem to be that type either. 

What correlation I CAN find in any of these groups is if someone has a history with understanding weapons and how they are to be used and have a level of skill using them, those people will have a HIGHER percentage chance that IF they were upset and IF they wanted to take action, they COULD hit their target and succeed. I know I could not take a rifle at much of any distance and hit a precise target. I do not own guns and have no interest in them or knowing how to  use them so my ability to do harm with a weapon is LESS than someone who has that skill, unless it is a weapon with large capacity and speed of delivery.

Why are some focused on the sexual preference of someone in most any instance, why does it matter if or not the person associates with the pride movement? Does this make the death go away, does it make an impact on future events, does it solve a problem? I would say  it does none of those things, the only value in labeling someone is to divide and accomplish a larger political agenda and yet here we are doing that exact thing.

I was specifically asking where Uniman ever made the statement that he was wrong about anything political. However, I did mention any other poster on the far right, which you obviously identify yourself as, which is apparent in your reference to post #319 about you being wrong about Justin Fields. Again not political so not really on topic. I was not meaning it to slander you by saying you were the same person. I was implying that your right wing mentality and biases sound the same. I had you and Uniman and the Lance Triggs discussion intertwined. A lot of information coming out today from the authorities and still know mention or statement of Lance Triggs or any trans partner, which again does not matter. 

@wallstreetcappers

 I agree largely with much of this.

@DeezyAZ81

 "This has to satire right? Uniman or any other far right covers member in this forum like yourself has never been wrong about anything"

Those are your words.

These are my words (in this thread)

"I turned out to be wrong"

Semantics, sure.  Clear as day literally, absolutely

I was implying that your right wing mentality and biases sound the same.

1) not how it read

2) not how I identify, register, or vote

So, a perception that you created (and are entitled to).

Extremist Charlie Kirk opposed Civil rights act and Martin Luther King.  Landmark law banned discrimination in public places and provided for integration in schools and made employment discrimination illegal.  Instead he endorsed racist "great replacement theory" and made a profitable career out of spreading hate toward fellow Americans.

https://www.covers.com/forum/politics/your-political-compass-103923277

Good read

Not sure why you replied since you claim you are not Uniman and not a member of the far right. I do agree that you turned out to be wrong as you state. Appreciate the honesty. Have a good one and as always keep reaching. 

Just like many are focused on right and left politics...makes no difference when you are talking about people or human beings...it is funny how people are so fixated on right and left when that is futile in the grand scheme of just about everything

@DeezyAZ81

 Why don't you stop attacking me and attack the subject

Why the "fixation" of sexual preference? I'll let NEWSWEEK  answer that simple question; https://www.newsweek.com/tyler-robinson-roommate-transgender-2129832

Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk, lived with a romantic partner who is transgender and cooperating with authorities, Utah Governor Spencer Cox has said.

WHY IT MATTERS

Robinson's political views have been at the center of debate since the 22-year-old's arrest on Friday, two days after the fatal shooting of Kirk. The conservative founder of Turning Point USA was killed as he spoke at Utah Valley University on September 10. The killing is the latest in a string of attacks that have targeted members of both major parties.

It is about motive. What drove this pinhead to kill a man who just talks?? Was it the people who call Kirk extremist? Was it those labeling him a racist for his believing the Civils Rights Act has been misused? Or maybe those who say the word Facist in every sentence. Was it politicans who scream Nazi? Or those who demand we take to the streets to save democracy? Or maybe those who idolize murders who shoot a CEO in the back and create go-fund-me's as support? 

I say; ALL OF THE ABOVE.

@UNIMAN

 Moving on.  You hear the report of multiple vehicles with out of state tags reported at shooters location a couple of weeks before.

Just heard a blip but it raised a brow

They are saying that he starts with the gun next to his leg, then disassembles it to put it in his bag (and changes cloth) and go up to the roof. For context he is using a rifle that is pretty hard to disassemble. On the roof, he reassembles it again, shoots (changes clothes again), disassembles it again, runs off the roof, and then reassembles it again only to throw it in the woods for the FBI to find! (And changes clothes back to 2nd cloths again and thereby changing between the two same outfits for the fourth time)

 If that explanation doesn’t make any sense to you - it is because it doesn’t - you can’t believe shit they are telling you would be the conclusion 

Yeah I read that. Could be something. Could be nothing.

They have his DNA from a screwdriver he left with the gun wrapped in a towel. Geee, wonder why he needed a screwdriver? 

Well I wonder why he would resemble it only to throw it in the woods - and change between the two same shirts four times - he has literally just killed someone and is trying to get away Scott free - maybe not the time I would practise my skills at resembling a rifle and try out my fancy new cloths 

@Calde13

Yea, that's a lot going on there....depending on which parts he is assembling or disassembling at the time, yea...removing the backstock would be difficult alone...someone who has practiced it though could do it in about a minute....not too hard, but you do need a rod...

Seems a lil far fetched because the story rambles on and does seem a lil time consuming when you are trying not to get caught... having/leaving prints is very amateuish 

What you are describing is exactly what an insane person would do.

@DeezyAZ81

 Considering the Ny post and Fox News are owned by the same CEO why would you waste time thinking your getting 2nd or different reporting on this event? Personally before I wasted a hour watching a opinion network that paid more than 800 million in restitution for blatant election propaganda I’d by a 12 pack of beer and go up the local service station and shoot the fat with the mechanics after 5 pm or closing….You be still be better informed! 

Actually doesn't make sense cause the venue was only announced 6 days earlier.  Not sure when the tour itself was announced.

Doesn't matter in the scheme of things.

It's a college campus. There are probably tons of cars with out of state plates. Most usually Idaho and Arizona, but also Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington.

If the weapon is what I believe it was, it's not a rifle that's quickly disassembled necessarily but if this kid had been shooting his whole life, maybe. It wouldn't be that hard to just remove the barrel, I guess.

Yea, if one is experienced with that 30 ought 6 then it's possible to be done quickly...experienced shooters can take apart and reassemble fairly quickly, but that is skillset to do so that quickly and the adrenaline and thought process after firing and shooting him would be a totally different element to deal with...whole thing screams something else

Good thing for everyone that what you say matters very little in terms of establishing motive or the set of facts. Interesting that Kash Patel, the incompetent FBI Director leading the investigation revealed certain findings today like a short letter about Robinson conveying a desire to take Kirk out and taking the opportunity today but nothing mentioned about this fictitious trans lover roommate that Fox News, the New York Post, Newsweek, and Utah Gov ran with with zero evidence or facts. I wonder why that is. It's almost like its irrelevant and likely BS. 

30-06 is just the round. There's a bunch of different rifles that fire 30-06. Some easier to disassemble than others. It's a very common round though.

[Quote: Originally Posted by UNIMAN]@DeezyAZ81    Why don't you stop attacking me and attack the subject Why the "fixation" of sexual preference? I'll let NEWSWEEK  answer that simple question; https://www.newsweek.com/tyler-robinson-roommate-transgender-2129832 Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk, lived with a romantic partner who is transgender and cooperating with authorities, Utah Governor Spencer Cox has said. 

You might want to read the title of the Article you attached here as well. It straight up says ALLEGED trans partner. Meaning no one can even verify this not authorities, not the governor, not Fox News. Don't you find it pretty odd that there are no pictures of Robinson with this ALLEGED partner anywhere online? No videos together, no one saw them at a local Chili's together, nothing? No named sources. Just unnamed this, unnamed that. Never any known witnesses, friends nothing. Yes, totally believable though I guess. 

@wallstreetcappers

Republicans are phonies…. If you remember in 2016 Peter Thiel stood up and told the republican national convention that he was proud to be gay! Yet his paided for boy Vance …now Trump’s vice president once voted to redirect funds from fighting AIDS to fighting gays (as in:don’t spend this money researching HIV spend it researching how to stop people from being gay). So it depending on your wealth status ! And after all, Thiel not gonna suffer from their policies Thiels a silicon valley billionaire, what does he have to care? He’s never gonna have to worry about being thrown out of his home because his landlord or his parents decided that being gay was just unacceptable. He’s never gonna have to worry about losing his job because his boss is uncomfortable with him being gay. He’s never going to have to worry about his parents paying people to kidnap him and take him to live in the woods until he stops being gay. He’ll be juuust fine. Why should he care that all these issues on the republican platform are really dangerous for LGBT individuals who aren’t as privileged as he is? He has money! With Republicans no matter what you do in the bedroom. Money overrides all social concerns.….