Charlie Kirk - T & P thread

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@joe pockets

 What about whites only pies?

@StumpTownStu

 Did he request that?  ….Today on X I saw a meme today with Lincoln, JFK, MLK, Kirk and Jesus with the caption “Killed for their words”  From what little I know Charlie wouldn’t have liked being included in a list with Dr. King.

@joe pockets

 That aside the no way in heck should he be included with Jesus MLK and JFk. My goodness 

@joe pockets

 No, that's from the movie, Life, starring Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence. Underrated movie.

@Brooklyncapper

  Look I was trying to be nice considering how no one should murdered for voicing there opinions!  But in Reality the only thing that Kirk had in common with them is walking on two legs!…You Mantles, Mays, Aaron’s & Ruth’s vs   Your attentionin left field #12Hector Lopez…Lopez !……I can still remember Bob Sheppard announcing that on a bat!…..When you got a real bat!

@StumpTownStu

The upper roooooom

Hehe yeah he wish :) - BUT I would personally question if Luther King really got “killed from his words” - I would say he was killed because of his skin color 

 

and have they ever found out the reason why JFK was killed - I thought that was part of what made that murder famous and why it still captivates people today - over here that and Lincoln are the only American assisinations we learn a little about in school but I can’t remember much about it 

@Calde13

There is always the possibility FBI was involved in allowing Ray to take King out! He was on around the clock surveillance how did not notice a white guy with a rife? If you remember King wasn't so popular back then with white population!…..One has to wonder how The Trump Admin would discredit King? 

Couple of house keeping notes. There was a lot talked around here about how Republicans are go gullible, they'll believe anything. And when the conservative here are wrong, they never admit it. And @uniman was personally called out for some reason, even though he is one of the more rational, and more center posters on this site. And @Deezy made a good point about, paraphrasing, not trusting something until there is actually something there to trust. Named sources, concrete info, etc. I even had to check myself, as I had got carried away based on a picture that wasn't even of the shooter. So now it's time to circle back around and swt the record straight.

EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED.

Tyler Robinson IS a member of the LGBTQ+ community. He was in a relationship with his "roommate", a gay male, who, at least to some, seems to be in the early stages of transitioning. This did seem to factor into his motive based on reports of their correspondence.

Now to be fair, his exact words were, "he's tired of the hate." So it doesn't have to necessarily be LGBTQ hate he was referring to. That is just the most logical conclusion. At least we can put to bed this narrative that he was actually just so ultra right wing, like Nick Fuentes right, that he decided to kill Charlie Kirk for not being right enough.

"If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands."

It's been said before, whether football or current events there is a spectrum of possibility.

That is what's most frustrating in the NFL forum and here, the people with the most narrow spectrum too often speak the loudest.

It's never about right side - wrong side but making good wagers (or posts) based on an open and wide spectrum.

 

Adding something clicked in the roof video where it looks like there is a longer and straight object.  Does correlate with the purported messages.

@StumpTownStu

 Sounds reasonable and logical

 

Not sure it sits well in some of the wooded areas around here, but makes sense

So a Republican gay person kills a Republican hate speech person, the Republicans demand the other side show the death person respect (which most of them do) and then the Republicans say the Democrats are the problem - is that correct ? - I just want to be sure - because that sounds borderline retarded if you ask me - and btw maybe their story would be more believable if this wasn’t the story and motive that was called before the shot was even fired

@StumpTownStu

 And what does his sexual preference or actions have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that Kirk was homophobic and discriminatory? What does sexuality have to do with the ability and desire to use weapons that kill? To me the whole condemning and calling people to repent the whole condescending schtick is anti Christian and has no place in Christianity, this fact to me disproves anything else he says and does. A Christian does not condemn or judge and does not tell someone where they are going in the afterlife or HOW they can get to one place or the other.

One of the strongest points Christ made is we are here to love one another, that the judge is our creator and none of us are allowed or invited to judge.

A nonpartisan gay person kills a republican political pundit. As far as demanding respect and rest you mention, it's all sounds nonsensical. You consume more American news than I do so maybe you can clarify. Who demanded what exactly?

Interesting statement that a Christian does not condemn or judge, however where would this site be without just that, and I am sure plenty on this site call themselves Christians 

I'm not familiar enough with Charlie Kirk’s beliefs tosay if he was homophobic or not. I didn't watch his show. I saw some of his stuff years ago, and I disagreed with the format. I do know the narrative being circulated is that he was racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. So the suspects sexual preference establishes motive.

 

Because I am fucking forced to ! Do you know how often I heard about US doing Biden and Obama combined - maybe once or twice a month and I FREAKING loved that - arguably the best time of my life - this Trump shit show I have to endure every fucking day ! And I am tired of that bullshit (maybe I would be more interested in my leaders fighting ww3 on my own continent than I care to hear about Trump fighting allies through 80 years because you guys have to pay more than 8 dollars for eggs - buhu cry me a fucking river!) - But yes over here it is being said that Vance and Trump will use this and the Democrats reaction as a way to strike down on your freedom of speech and go to “war” with them

This is what you gathered from today??? Not me. I guess that is your interpretation. I know I did not see or hear the AG name a trans woman named Lance Triggs as the lover or roommate today. If you can refer to the quote, I would like to see it. Again, no evidence at all of that this lover-partner relationship exists besides an AG quoting a text exchange, which does not even appear to be real to me. First off, 22 year olds do not speak like that in a chain. Secondly, Tyler Robinson just happened to put in a text message after he killed Kirk that day that "since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga."  This sounds like AI.  Very convenient timing of throwing this in a text to a dude that is supposedly your lover and roommate. You would think his lover/roomie would have already known this from their relationship and living together. I am quite certain it would not have to be expressed immediately after an assassination. 

Pretty sure we have not had a trial either so not sure how you gathered anything as proof. The AG even said everything is alleged including the text messages. No mention of either roommate being trans or gay in the text exchange either. Nothing said from Robinson about pursuing Kirk because he was tired of his hate for LGBTQ+, gays, or trans anywhere in this exchange. Seems to be a reach to me. Whole story does not add up. Robinson's own mother is the only one all of the sudden who she noticed a change toward the left and pro LGBTQ+ and trans over the last year or so. Seems pretty convenient and has not been backed by anyone else including friends, family, neighbors, classmates. After what I read and heard today, I am even more confident that it is all BS and some very poorly written fiction. Trial should be interesting. I know this only makes me more suspicious. Let's wait until the trial and what is proven in court before we start gloating in here.   BY the way still no manifesto or any written communication or social media posts suggesting or showing that the actual shooter Robinson is left leaning, liberal, or a Democrat. So ask yourself why Trump and the right immediately blamed the left before Robinson had even been found to be the suspect on a third try?

@Calde13

 You're not forced to. I literally live in the U.S., and I consume very little news of the U.S.

@DeezyAZ81

 As gem said just a moment ago, as I said a day or two ago, if it quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it probably self-identifies as a duck. And the chickens are coming home to roost but there's but the fox is in the hen house. Definitely have to wait before anything can be said definitively but this all looks pretty cut and dry.

If the texts are coming from the authorities, they probably came from a phone dump, and are real. That doesn't mean they can't be staged, so to speak.

I don’t watch US news - I watch Danish news - I have always done that and why shouldn’t I ? They are independent and report almost without any bias etc. I suppose that is why you don’t watch yours ? And we have a lot of important news over here - we have a war on our continent for instance - we have an old ally that basically do everything they can to screw us over economically every way they can and annex part of our kingdom without reason etc. - you know everyday stuff ! I am sure you would feel more inclined to watch the news if your country faced a war with the biggest nuclear nation on earth while simultaneously taking bullcrap from the biggest superpower on earth I could imagine

Yeah nothing is quacking to me but carry on. Have not even confirmed it's the same person. For all I know, this roomate/lover does not exist. He sure was not named today. Secondly, he went from a trans woman to just a gay dude in like 24 hours that likes to dress up as mascots. None of this shit is acting or identifying as a duck, unless he is at a furry $uckfest. Do not even know if texts came from authorities. If they are from Kash Patel, he probably wrote them himself. Secondly, no idea what the roommates gender identity/sexual orientation has to do with anything. Considering he did not even supposedly know that Robinson's father was MAGA prior to assassination day, it does not appear they knew each other very well. Not enough to be politically radicalized by him obviously, if something as simple as that wasn't known. Again zero evidence of Robinson being left leaning lib, or a Democrat. Legit nothing tying him to any left ideology. Hating Charlie Kirk is not simply left leaning, hell Nick Fuentes hated Kirk too and he is about extreme white Christian nationalist right as they come. 

So you're saying you aren't purposely consuming US news? Danish networks just give a lot of air time to US news? Sounds like a Denmark issue. If they are doing this, it is because there is an audience for it.