Charlie Kirk - T & P thread

@StumpTownStu

 I've been with for 17 years and there aren't videos of us online. And few pictures.

That is a few more pictures than can be found with Robinson and the trans woman lover named Lance Twiggs together who apparently live together too. It's not just that, none of their friends in their discord and gaming communities that know both them has confirmed they are partners either. Even if you and yours do not have an extensive online footprint together, I am quite certain that many of your friends could confirm you are together. 

Interestingly enough, many other photos can be found of the both of them separately, especially with Robinson holding rifles dating back to when he was a kid with his family and Twiggs dressing up as a furry. 

Discord/gaming communities are just that though. Online communities. Not a place where people are sharing pictures. That doesn't mean I believe this scenario per se. I definitely have to wait and see at this point. Or not, because I really don't care but lack of pictures doesn't disprove anything. As far as friends and family, have they interviewed friends and family? We don't know who the authorities have talked to, and about what.

Funny story about furries. Like 20 years ago, before I knew my way around San Francisco very well, there was a particular exit I would take to go 90% of the places I would go. Clubs, venues, etc. I had always taken bart to SF as a kid but driving around out there is a little tricky.

So you get off the freeway on what I now no to be Harrison St. And you make a right on what I now know to be 9th. And on the corner, there was a popular gay bar called The Stud. The Stud sadly didn't survive covid but this was obviously before any of that. It was just the gay bar with the funny name that I used as a landmark. "Make the right by the Stud bar. Cool, going the right way." So one night, i'm at the light waiting to make the right.  And I look over to the side and there's tons of people outside of the Stud and in the alley behind it wearing these full ass furry animal costumes. Not like Spirit Halloween costumes. These were expensive looking costumes. Different animals. Dogs, cats, foxes, rabbits. Big ass heads and everything. So I get to where i'm going and see the homies and i'm like, "Yooooo.... I passed by the Stud bar and theres all sorts of muthaf'ers in these animal costumes." And the one homie says, "Oh yeah, those are furries. They put on those costumes and they're gonna f each other all night."

It's 2025 now and a good percentage of adults have probably heard of furries but imagine seeing that, then hearing that explanation 20 years ago.

I've seen pictures of this kid is some sort of little costumes but these were like full on mascot costumes. Imagine the the Western Kentucky Hilltopper plowing the Wisconsin Badger.

@StumpTownStu

 Kids definitely share pictures and memes all over discord today, especially in gaming communities. Not saying it proves or disproves anything. That is my point is that we do not actually have any verified information, pics, interviews, testimony from anyone that can be confirmed by anyone with a name. The stories are starting from interviews with unnamed, supposed family members and unnamed law enforcement officials supposedly. I agree that wait and see that is why this story about a trans-roomie lover that no one can verify seems pretty absurd and unbelievable. It also seems irrelevant to the crime and Robinson's motivation since there is zero manifesto indicating an ideology or purpose and he is not speaking to authorities. 

@DeezyAZ81

 Yeah, definitely nothing confirmed.

PROOF OF TYLER ROBINSON'S TRANSSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP!!! ??

Well, look at what we have here. 

@StumpTownStu

• In Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia, the employer fired a county employee for “unbecoming conduct” after he began participating in a gay recreational softball league.

• In Altitude Express v. Zarda,the employer fired a skydiving instructor days after he mentioned that he was gay.

• In G. & G.R. Harris Funeral Homes Inc. v. EEOC, a funeral home terminated a transgender employee’s employment after six years of employment following her announcement that she would begin living openly as a woman.

2022 An openly gay female firefighter who was hired – and subsequently terminated – by Eastside Fire & Rescue (EFR) recently accepted a settlement from EFR for discrimination and wrongful termination in 2023 in Seattle!

Trump has been doing everything he can sense his first term weaken LGBTQ civil rights….Its not a hoax its a Republican witch hurtful on gays >

 https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/03/17/nlrb-head-fumes-over-charges-agency-seeks-to-cut-lgbtq-protections/

In New Jersey there been numerous police and fire departments firings and retaliation charges that settled with awards in the last 5 years

How more you need?…You think employers dont manufactur cases to get rid of gay which hard to prove! …Do bears shit in the woods ? Yep!

A gay Black Republican was heckled with hate speech at Trump event.

“Last night in Phoenix, I was confronted and surrounded by some White Supremacists that don’t like gays or blacks in the Republican Party," Smith wrote in the post.

"They shouted ‘n*****’ and ‘f*****’ at me to make their point.

https://www.newsweek.com/black-gay-republican-heckled-slurs-maga-event-1853595

Right wing bigots lead a political crusade to demonize a harmless minority.  Limiting access to washrooms, identification documents, medical care and protections against discrimination in education and employment.  Contempt for civil rights is among characteristics of fascism.

@joe pockets Trump has been doing everything he can sense his first term weaken LGBTQ civil rights….Its not a hoax its a Republican witch hurtful on gays > 

 Guess that's why Trump hired Scott Bessent, Jacob Helberg, Richard Grenell, Trent Morse, and other gays.

It's all a smokescreen!!! 

[Quote: Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81]Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: @DeezyAZ81    Why don't you stop attacking me and attack the subject Why the "fixation" of sexual preference? I'll let NEWSWEEK  answer that simple question; https://www.newsweek.com/tyler-robinson-roommate-transgender-2129832 Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk, lived with a romantic partner who is transgender and cooperating with authorities, Utah Governor Spencer Cox has said. WHY IT MATTERS Robinson's political views have been at the center of debate since the 22-year-old's arrest on Friday, two days after the fatal shooting of Kirk. The conservative founder of Turning Point USA was killed as he spoke at Utah Valley University on September 10. The killing is the latest in a string of attacks that have targeted members of both major parties.   It is about motive. What drove this pinhead to kill a man who just talks?? Was it the people who call Kirk extremist? Was it those labeling him a racist for his believing the Civils Rights Act has been misused? Or maybe those who say the word Facist in every sentence. Was it politicans who scream Nazi? Or those who demand we take to the streets to save democracy? Or maybe those who idolize murders who shoot a CEO in the back and create go-fund-me's as support?  I say; ALL OF THE ABOVE. Good thing for everyone that what you say matters very little in terms of establishing motive or the set of facts. Interesting that Kash Patel, the incompetent FBI Director leading the investigation revealed certain findings today like a short letter about Robinson conveying a desire to take Kirk out and taking the opportunity today but nothing mentioned about this fictitious trans lover roommate that Fox News, the New York Post, Newsweek, and Utah Gov ran with with zero evidence or facts. I wonder why that is. It's almost like its irrelevant and likely BS.[/Quote]

I probably shouldn't but I'm getting a real kick out of your constant denials. Better add Axios to the list, they printed this;

Authorities are investigating whether Tyler Robinson, suspected of killing Charlie Kirk, believed Kirk's views on gender identity were "hateful" to people like Robinson's transgender roommate, six sources familiar with the case tell Axios.

Why it matters: Investigators believe Robinson's anger at Kirk's views could be a key to establishing a motive for the slaying of the controversial activist whose death sent shockwaves through American politics.

This is a snapshot of the Left. First the left leaning media purposely ignore and someone else reports the truth. Then they attack those that have reported the facts as not credible. Then they try hard to deflect by focusing on shell casing scribles and calling Robinson "one of their own" in a gun owning community. Then, when it keeps coming out, they say it doesn't matter anyways. They label Kirk as extremist, myself as far rightwing. 

But it does matter. 

@joe pockets

 Joe, I googled the first case. The guy was fired for misuse of funds and claimed it was because he was gay. I would imagine all the cases are much the same. Someone is fired for performance and says it's because they're gay. Sadly, stories like this prove Charlie right.

@joe pockets

 Out of respect to you, I read the second case as well. Get this.

The plaintiff was a skydiving instructor. When you initially going skydiving, it's tandem. The experienced skydiver is atrapped to your back/behind. Everyone that goes skydiving knows this. This numbnuts makes a comment to the female of half a couple that it's ok for him to be behind her because he's gay. Completely unprofessional. The couple complained that he was being weird and had touched her inappropriately. That's why he was fired.

@joe pockets

 I'd come this far, I figured I might as well read the last case. This one is wild.

A man who works for a funeral home, let us all remember that funeral homes are typically houses of worship, a man who works at a funeral home decides he wants a sex change. Goes in and tells his boss of his plans and says, "...so you can get used to it, come Monday, i'm gonna be wearing women's clothes and presenting as a woman." I don't even know what to say about that but as a funeral home is essentially a church, they have the religious freedom to not promote a man dressing up like a woman in their house of worship.

@StumpTownStu

 The word is “Manufactured…The complaints were manufactured to achieve there goal “ They were winners for the plaintiff's“  As in “ Evans v. Georgia Regional Hospital, No. 15-15234 (11th Cir. 2017)  Which served as a precedent in the fore said case. Prejudice and Power Is a daily agenda for the Republican Party! Need I remind you of the Kentucky clerk Kim Davis, who was sanctioned for refusing to grant same-sex marriage licenses some years ago, is now petitioning the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell v Hodges the landmark ruling that legalized same-sex marriage nationwide 10 years ago…

@UNIMAN

 Scott Bessent, Jacob Helberg, Richard Grenell, Trent Morse as stated before the rich and powerful are above the GOP rage on the gay community….Helbergs partner is a billionaire…billionaires donate ! 

You can't be serious.

In the first case, you can't "manufacture" misuse of funds. Either you did it or you didn't. And that's grounds for termination at pretty much any job. If you think about the case critically, apparently the plaintiff wasn't closeted. So his job knew he was gay all along and hadn't fired him for it. He claims they then decided to fire him for talking about joining a gay softball league. As if that was the straw that broke the mountain's back. He was fired for misuse of funds though. He was fired for a legitimate reason and claimed it was because he's gay. No accountability whatsoever.

In the second case, it was the customers that complained. So his suit claims it was the customers who were homophobic. He was being inappropriate. Customers complained and he was fired but the suit would have you believe that these random customers who are about to jump out of an airplane for the first time would, in that tense moment, concoct a story to get him reprimanded because they're homophobic.

Again, no accountability. 

@joe pockets

 Sadly, these cases are just proving some of the claims of critics of the Civil Rights Acts. It's the ideology that it has bred. That if you are in a certain box, the rules don't apply to you. That enforcing the rules is racist, or homophobic, etc. I don't believe this but these cases sure make a good argument for it. Think of misusing funds, or being inappropriate towards a customer. Those are two slam dunk grounds for termination but if the persob can just play the gay card, I guess you can't fire them for anything.

I can attest to this as well. Any workplace investigation I have held with someone who is different has 100% of the time has manifested a situation that something happened to them because they were different. We, of course, look into these situations and realize it couldn't be further from the truth. Often times we find out that the only reason others know they are different is because they chose to talk about it in the workplace. And, most often those others don't care that so and so is different. We have probably done 100+ of these type of workplace investigations over the years and I can tell you that none of them resulted in any wrongdoing because the coworker was different. There may have been other issued uncovered by both parties, but never once because something was happening to them because of their sexual lifestyle choice. Not one. 

@StumpTownStu

 Stu, you just walked them right into it. One of the very reasons Kirk bashed the Civil Rights Act. Thanks for taking the time to look up the actual stories. 

But I'm done here, would rather talk CFB and CBB anyday.

A large part of Kirk’s political activism centered on what education should look like. Amy Lieberman, The Conversation’s education editor, spoke with Daniel Ruggles, a scholar of conservative youth activism, to better understand the beliefs about education that influenced Kirk and the connection he tried to make with young people.

What is most important to understand about Charlie Kirk’s views on education?

Charlie Kirk’s education philosophy was founded upon the idea of not being on the left. One of the problems with that approach is that it’s harder to explain your ideas and values in a positive way instead of just being “anti” left.

Conservatives, well before Kirk’s time, have been trying to reclaim education from liberals whom they view as valuing equity and belonging instead of timeless values of order and traditional values in society. This philosophy overall focuses on reclaiming education from liberals.

There is a lot of alignment with Kirk’s education philosophy and the Make America Great Again movement, but his approach predates Donald Trump’s rise. It is focused on returning to what conservatives call Western and “traditional” values. This means rolling back the clock to an idealized time when men and women had set gender roles in society and life was more harmonious and wholesome. At its best, this education philosophy can be valuable – teaching what society views as virtuous behavior, ethics and tradition – but it can also prioritize tradition and privilege over justice and equity.

This philosophy also has to do with not feeling a need to apologize for one’s identity. A big divide between liberals and conservatives is how they explain disadvantage. Conservatives like Kirk believe they should not have to apologize for their identities, and other people's identities should not be a reason for special treatment.

This philosophy is not so much about making education more effective as much as it is about not being “woke.” De-woking the classroom is usually the overall goal. This involves ridding the classroom of what is known as grievance politics – meaning someone believes they have been marginalized because of their identity, race, gender or sexuality.

Kirk founded his political nonprofit, Turning Point USA, in 2012. Kirk didn’t originally support Trump, but he became friends with Donald Trump Jr., and eventually became close with the president. Like Trump, Kirk saw academia as the source of a plethora of problems in American society. His goal was to make college campuses more friendly to conservative students by making conservative ideas like free market economics and traditional gender roles more popular.

There was a lot of foundation laying over time for Kirk’s conservative education philosophy. Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack in Israel, as well as the subsequent war in Gaza and Palestinian rights protests in the U.S., offered a moment for conservatives like Kirk to brand progressives at schools as this huge threat.

Turning Point isn’t the same as the Republican Party, but it’s helping to push the party further to the right. Turning Point has alienated other members of the conservative movement in certain ways. In 2018, the conservative youth group Young America’s Foundation accused Turning Point of taking over the conservative youth movement and crowding out other groups. Turning Point’s total revenue has grown considerably in the last few years, topping US$85 million in 2024 – that matters because money and attention help Turning Point push out other conservative voices.

Kirk and Trump agreed on a lot of policy issues. Kirk used Turning Point to define conservatism on his terms and to defend Trump. Education is the bulk of Turning Point’s work, a continuation of what has historically also been been the most important cultural issue on the right since the 1960s.

@UNIMAN

 Well to lighten the mood,It’s comforting to know that Charlie Kirk’s killer will be brought to justice ! And when people pass away the saying goes “ He’s in a better place “ others believe we go to our personal utopia! If either are true Charlie Kirk will for eternity have a White only toilet, white only water fountain and alway ride at the front of the bus! To some on earth and on covers it doesn’t get better than that!