Posted:
#376
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:
Same guy believes 9-11 was a false flag operation.
Same guy believes 9-11 was a false flag operation.
Try adding something of value to the thread.
Another Mass Shooting
Posted:
#377
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Is it not their job to risk their lives to save children? No that’s not their job. They have no constitutional duty to protect children or to protect you. That’s why the right to bear arms is so important. It's not a cops job to protect children. Got it. You can educate yourself here if you’d like https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again “Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. “Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.”The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody,” he pointed out.” Always funny when you don't read the rest of the articles you post detox meds, just to push your silly narratives. From the article you posted. "Nevertheless, we are told there is an agreement here — a "social contract" — between government agencies and the taxpayers and citizens. And, by the very nature of being a contract, we are meant to believe this is a two-way street. The taxpayers are required to submit to a government monopoly on force, and to pay these agencies taxes. In return, these government agents will provide services. In the case of police agencies, these services are summed up by the phrase "to protect and serve" — a motto that has in recent decades been adopted by numerous police agencies. But what happens when those police agencies don't protect and serve? That is, what happens when one party in this alleged social contract doesn't keep up its end of the bargain. The answer is: very little." Sad, so much support from you Republicans for police when police officers are killing unarmed black people for basic traffic violations, but dead silence when the police don't do anything to stop a mass shooting or protect vulnerable children in school during an active shooting. Then the argument is well technically it's not the police' job to protect and serve citizens. Only when those scary unarmed blacks aren't doing what they are told by police for routine stops. Then police must shoot them to protect the rest of the public because these menaces are such threats to collective safety. That’s a lot of words to say nothing. So basically the article you posted was all BS. Got it. The majority of those words are from the article you posted.
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Is it not their job to risk their lives to save children? No that’s not their job. They have no constitutional duty to protect children or to protect you. That’s why the right to bear arms is so important. It's not a cops job to protect children. Got it. You can educate yourself here if you’d like https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again “Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. “Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.”The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody,” he pointed out.” Always funny when you don't read the rest of the articles you post detox meds, just to push your silly narratives. From the article you posted. "Nevertheless, we are told there is an agreement here — a "social contract" — between government agencies and the taxpayers and citizens. And, by the very nature of being a contract, we are meant to believe this is a two-way street. The taxpayers are required to submit to a government monopoly on force, and to pay these agencies taxes. In return, these government agents will provide services. In the case of police agencies, these services are summed up by the phrase "to protect and serve" — a motto that has in recent decades been adopted by numerous police agencies. But what happens when those police agencies don't protect and serve? That is, what happens when one party in this alleged social contract doesn't keep up its end of the bargain. The answer is: very little." Sad, so much support from you Republicans for police when police officers are killing unarmed black people for basic traffic violations, but dead silence when the police don't do anything to stop a mass shooting or protect vulnerable children in school during an active shooting. Then the argument is well technically it's not the police' job to protect and serve citizens. Only when those scary unarmed blacks aren't doing what they are told by police for routine stops. Then police must shoot them to protect the rest of the public because these menaces are such threats to collective safety. That’s a lot of words to say nothing. So basically the article you posted was all BS. Got it. The majority of those words are from the article you posted.
The article shows what the Supreme Court ruled.
That the police don’t have an obligation to protect you or your kids.
If you want guaranteed protection you have to provide the protection yourself.
Posted:
#378
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:
Are you high again this morning Detox Meds? So the police's job is not to "serve and protect"? what the $uck kind of drugs you on today? So what were those dead children supposed to do to protect themselves if it's not the police' job? Throw textbooks at the active shooter? I suppose you want 6-10 year olds toting assault rifles at school since it's not the police' job to protect them? Sounds like you suffer from some of the mental health challenges you speak of.
Are you high again this morning Detox Meds? So the police's job is not to "serve and protect"? what the $uck kind of drugs you on today? So what were those dead children supposed to do to protect themselves if it's not the police' job? Throw textbooks at the active shooter? I suppose you want 6-10 year olds toting assault rifles at school since it's not the police' job to protect them? Sounds like you suffer from some of the mental health challenges you speak of.
Just illustrates that mental health issues are a serious problem
Posted:
#379
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Lifeguard watches a kid drown. Stands there, drinks a Mai Tai, and watches a kid drown. When asked why he says, "I had no constitutional obligation to save that kid." Tox's fantasy world. All teachers are worthless. We're going to find successful businessmen to fill all teaching positions. Oh yeah, and cops have no "constitutional obligation" to save kids. Sure, it's their job. They just aren't bound by the constitution to do so because, you know, the framers of the constitution felt it necessary to cover such things.
Lifeguard watches a kid drown. Stands there, drinks a Mai Tai, and watches a kid drown. When asked why he says, "I had no constitutional obligation to save that kid." Tox's fantasy world. All teachers are worthless. We're going to find successful businessmen to fill all teaching positions. Oh yeah, and cops have no "constitutional obligation" to save kids. Sure, it's their job. They just aren't bound by the constitution to do so because, you know, the framers of the constitution felt it necessary to cover such things.
Sounds like DeTox Meds is a supporter of defunding the police all of the sudden, since he believes they aren't required to do much of anything on the job.
What's the point of even having a police force?
Posted:
#380
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Is it not their job to risk their lives to save children? No that’s not their job. They have no constitutional duty to protect children or to protect you. That’s why the right to bear arms is so important. Are you high again this morning Detox Meds? So the police's job is not to "serve and protect"? what the $uck kind of drugs you on today? So what were those dead children supposed to do to protect themselves if it's not the police' job? Throw textbooks at the active shooter? I suppose you want 6-10 year olds toting assault rifles at school since it's not the police' job to protect them? Sounds like you suffer from some of the mental health challenges you speak of.
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Is it not their job to risk their lives to save children? No that’s not their job. They have no constitutional duty to protect children or to protect you. That’s why the right to bear arms is so important. Are you high again this morning Detox Meds? So the police's job is not to "serve and protect"? what the $uck kind of drugs you on today? So what were those dead children supposed to do to protect themselves if it's not the police' job? Throw textbooks at the active shooter? I suppose you want 6-10 year olds toting assault rifles at school since it's not the police' job to protect them? Sounds like you suffer from some of the mental health challenges you speak of.
he wants teachers armed and risking their lives to protect children because they're "basically rich" because they're making, on average, 58K against a 41K median household income.
Or he wants armed guards so that elementary schools resemble prisons, even though armed police officers sure dropped the ball.
More valid points.
Posted:
#382
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @StumpTownStu Maybe we should de-fund the police. Defending the police is never the answer but look up.the budget of any municipality and see what chuck of the pie goes to law enforcement. The police are funded. Even in hardcore liberal hotbeds that push a second the police narrative. Police are funded. *Defining police is never the answer Jesus Christ, autocorrect.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @StumpTownStu Maybe we should de-fund the police. Defending the police is never the answer but look up.the budget of any municipality and see what chuck of the pie goes to law enforcement. The police are funded. Even in hardcore liberal hotbeds that push a second the police narrative. Police are funded. *Defining police is never the answer Jesus Christ, autocorrect.
*DEFUNDING POLICE IS NEVER THE ANSWER. I DON'T BELIEVE IN DEFUNDING THE POLICE, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW POLICE SOAK UP BUDGET, WHILE OFTEN TIMES HAVING HORRIBLE SOLVE RATES AND BEING MIRED IN CONTROVERSY, I BELIEVE IN FUNDING AND SUPPORTING OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I agree. We will note though that "defunding the police" always was a misnomer, much like the "Don't say gay bill"
It was never meant literally, nor without context. Just that much of our tax dollars used to hire police officers to include petty complaints and and many types of domestic disturbance or mental health issues, would be better spent on specific professionals to handle those issues - freeing up the police to attend to matters to which they are fully trained.
Posted:
#384
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:
I was under the impression that it was the police; job to serve and protect all citizens, including children in school and teachers facing life-threatening conditions. I guess I am wrong. So teachers essentially would carry two hats under Detox' fantasyland scenario. Educators of the children, and trained killers ready to thwart any mass shootings on site. Considering trained police officers, who have one job couldn't even stop the active shooter on the scene, somehow I don't think armed teachers would have got the job done.
I was under the impression that it was the police; job to serve and protect all citizens, including children in school and teachers facing life-threatening conditions. I guess I am wrong. So teachers essentially would carry two hats under Detox' fantasyland scenario. Educators of the children, and trained killers ready to thwart any mass shootings on site. Considering trained police officers, who have one job couldn't even stop the active shooter on the scene, somehow I don't think armed teachers would have got the job done.
You're not wrong.
Posted:
#387
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: The one good teacher I had owned his own business, sold his business and taught as a way of giving back. Talk to your average teacher and then to a successful business owner. There’s a glaring difference. If you’ve never done anything successful in your entire life WTF are you doing teaching? You should need to show bank statements in order to be a teacher. So basically you're for having zero teachers? How many people are lining up to sell their businesses to become teachers? What business do you own that qualifies you to teach AP English? Newspaper? What business do you own that qualifies you to teach Calculus? Software engineering? Where are all these people coming from that have found success in business, and now they want to "teach to give back " what kind of fairytale are you living in. "You say ran a successful landscaping company? Sounds like a high school physics teacher to me." Maybe we should live in a country where being a teacher IS the successful thing. Maybe we should be able to look at their bank accounts AFTER they become teachers, seeing as how we are judging value by personal wealth. I've done quite well for myself financially. And I pulled down A's and B's in STEM related subjects. And let me tell you,I have no business teaching, nor a desire to do so.
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: The one good teacher I had owned his own business, sold his business and taught as a way of giving back. Talk to your average teacher and then to a successful business owner. There’s a glaring difference. If you’ve never done anything successful in your entire life WTF are you doing teaching? You should need to show bank statements in order to be a teacher. So basically you're for having zero teachers? How many people are lining up to sell their businesses to become teachers? What business do you own that qualifies you to teach AP English? Newspaper? What business do you own that qualifies you to teach Calculus? Software engineering? Where are all these people coming from that have found success in business, and now they want to "teach to give back " what kind of fairytale are you living in. "You say ran a successful landscaping company? Sounds like a high school physics teacher to me." Maybe we should live in a country where being a teacher IS the successful thing. Maybe we should be able to look at their bank accounts AFTER they become teachers, seeing as how we are judging value by personal wealth. I've done quite well for myself financially. And I pulled down A's and B's in STEM related subjects. And let me tell you,I have no business teaching, nor a desire to do so.
Still more valid points
Posted:
#388
@I_Need_A_Detox
Protect and serve is just a slogan. I believe it came from LAPD police cars or something. However every LEO takes an oath. And again, while verbage may change, they all say something about protecting the public. I guess in your fairytale world, lacking "constitutional obligation" is good enough reason to of not perform the job for which you are paid. Firemen don't have "constitutional obligation" either but they risk their lives to protect both person and property, because that is the job for which they are paid. Yes, there are scenarios in which firemen stand down but defending the actions of these officers by simply saying, "They have no constitutional obligation..." Is completely fucking asinine.
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Posted:
#389
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: I already proposed a real solution in a previous thread (now boxed) that making gun ownership similar to the ownership and use of a car (ie, damn expensive!) would significantly drive down the prevalence of these horrific incidents (can't eliminate them, but can reduce them bigly!) yet at the same time still preserve everyone's 2nd amendment rights! There is no law, and nothing in the constitution, that says gun ownership must be cheap! If it was VERY EXPENSIVE and regulated, Buffalo and Uvalde would not have happened. You’re suggesting that only rich people should be allowed to own guns to hunt, defend themselves and defend their families?
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: I already proposed a real solution in a previous thread (now boxed) that making gun ownership similar to the ownership and use of a car (ie, damn expensive!) would significantly drive down the prevalence of these horrific incidents (can't eliminate them, but can reduce them bigly!) yet at the same time still preserve everyone's 2nd amendment rights! There is no law, and nothing in the constitution, that says gun ownership must be cheap! If it was VERY EXPENSIVE and regulated, Buffalo and Uvalde would not have happened. You’re suggesting that only rich people should be allowed to own guns to hunt, defend themselves and defend their families?
I'm not rich.
I own a 2019 model car. Aside from the very expensive cost of the car, I pay maintenence every year, reg fees, insurance, and maintain my driver's license. It's all expensive. Most are in the same boat.
And we are not rich. It's the cost of ownership, if one wants or not. It is my right.
Likewise I have the right to purchase and own a deadly firearm if I choose. It should be everybit as expensive.
Posted:
#390
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Police are city employees. Each swears and oath. And while the verbage may change from department to department, they all say something about protecting the public. You may drive a bus. There may not be a constitutional law that says you have to drive defensively, and protect your passengers, but it's still your damn job.
Police are city employees. Each swears and oath. And while the verbage may change from department to department, they all say something about protecting the public. You may drive a bus. There may not be a constitutional law that says you have to drive defensively, and protect your passengers, but it's still your damn job.
Don't know any rational people who would disagree with this.
Posted:
#392
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@I_Need_A_Detox Protect and serve is just a slogan. I believe it came from LAPD police cars or something. However every LEO takes an oath. And again, while verbage may change, they all say something about protecting the public. I guess in your fairytale world, lacking "constitutional obligation" is good enough reason to of not perform the job for which you are paid. Firemen don't have "constitutional obligation" either but they risk their lives to protect both person and property, because that is the job for which they are paid. Yes, there are scenarios in which firemen stand down but defending the actions of these officers by simply saying, "They have no constitutional obligation..." Is completely fucking asinine.
@I_Need_A_Detox Protect and serve is just a slogan. I believe it came from LAPD police cars or something. However every LEO takes an oath. And again, while verbage may change, they all say something about protecting the public. I guess in your fairytale world, lacking "constitutional obligation" is good enough reason to of not perform the job for which you are paid. Firemen don't have "constitutional obligation" either but they risk their lives to protect both person and property, because that is the job for which they are paid. Yes, there are scenarios in which firemen stand down but defending the actions of these officers by simply saying, "They have no constitutional obligation..." Is completely fucking asinine.
Of course it's asinine. But in Detox fantasy land he is never wrong. He is one of those guys.
Posted:
#393
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
I'm not here to throw shade at Tox's upbringing. Like him or not, he often makes very valid points. Sometimes his opinions miss the mark. Sometimes he is just stirring the shit and pushing buttons. I'm not here to throw shade at the guy. We agree on a ton of things. We disagree on things too. We disagree here.
I can only partly agree, based on the few months I've observed his behavior. Yup he often makes very valid points, as do many others here. But more frequently he does not. Most of the time (not just sometimes) he is trolling and "stirring sht and pushing buttons" deliberately I might add to draw people downs his fantasy rabbit hole without end. I have no particular dislike for the guy, but he's loose with relevent facts, ignores counterpoints 99% of the time, and his opinions are usually flawed logic, let alone outright distasteful in the majority of posts, based on my observations.
But this thread should not be about him or any forum member.
Posted:
#394
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: I was under the impression that it was the police; job to serve and protect all citizens, including children in school
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: I was under the impression that it was the police; job to serve and protect all citizens, including children in school
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Do YOU ever get tired of being an annoying troll?
Posted:
#395
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Are you high again this morning Detox Meds? So the police's job is not to "serve and protect"? what the $uck kind of drugs you on today? So what were those dead children supposed to do to protect themselves if it's not the police' job? Throw textbooks at the active shooter? I suppose you want 6-10 year olds toting assault rifles at school since it's not the police' job to protect them? Sounds like you suffer from some of the mental health challenges you speak of. Just illustrates that mental health issues are a serious problem
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Are you high again this morning Detox Meds? So the police's job is not to "serve and protect"? what the $uck kind of drugs you on today? So what were those dead children supposed to do to protect themselves if it's not the police' job? Throw textbooks at the active shooter? I suppose you want 6-10 year olds toting assault rifles at school since it's not the police' job to protect them? Sounds like you suffer from some of the mental health challenges you speak of. Just illustrates that mental health issues are a serious problem
It's funny too because Detox Meds constantly claims that mental health is the primary cause of these mass shootings and not guns.
However, according to his logic, the Constitution says nothing about the government being responsible for mental or psychological health of citizens, so apparently mental health should just be ignored and disregarded by politicians, state actors, and police, since there is no constitutional obligation to enhance mental health of the populace.
Posted:
#396
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: I'm not here to throw shade at Tox's upbringing. Like him or not, he often makes very valid points. Sometimes his opinions miss the mark. Sometimes he is just stirring the shit and pushing buttons. I'm not here to throw shade at the guy. We agree on a ton of things. We disagree on things too. We disagree here. I can only partly agree, based on the few months I've observed his behavior. Yup he often makes very valid points, as do many others here. But more frequently he does not. Most of the time (not just sometimes) he is trolling and "stirring sht and pushing buttons" deliberately I might add to draw people downs his fantasy rabbit hole without end. I have no particular dislike for the guy, but he's loose with relevent facts, ignores counterpoints 99% of the time, and his opinions are usually flawed logic, let alone outright distasteful in the majority of posts, based on my observations. But this thread should not be about him or any forum member.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: I'm not here to throw shade at Tox's upbringing. Like him or not, he often makes very valid points. Sometimes his opinions miss the mark. Sometimes he is just stirring the shit and pushing buttons. I'm not here to throw shade at the guy. We agree on a ton of things. We disagree on things too. We disagree here. I can only partly agree, based on the few months I've observed his behavior. Yup he often makes very valid points, as do many others here. But more frequently he does not. Most of the time (not just sometimes) he is trolling and "stirring sht and pushing buttons" deliberately I might add to draw people downs his fantasy rabbit hole without end. I have no particular dislike for the guy, but he's loose with relevent facts, ignores counterpoints 99% of the time, and his opinions are usually flawed logic, let alone outright distasteful in the majority of posts, based on my observations. But this thread should not be about him or any forum member.
Very accurate description of Detox. 
Posted:
#397
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Lifeguard watches a kid drown. Stands there, drinks a Mai Tai, and watches a kid drown. When asked why he says, "I had no constitutional obligation to save that kid."
Tox's fantasy world. All teachers are worthless.
We're going to find successful businessmen to fill all teaching positions. Oh yeah, and cops have no "constitutional obligation" to save kids. Sure, it's their job. They just aren't bound by the constitution to do so because, you know, the framers of the constitution felt it necessary to cover such things.
I remember having a teacher just like i_need_a_detox.
He was fired.
Your point is acknowledged. Most jobs, particularly careers in public service, come with presumed and possibly unwritten responsibilities and this includes our police, military and security forces.
Posted:
#399
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz: @BWS77 He actually gave away tons of info about his upbringing in that post. Which you can kinda see lines up with his viewpoints/opinions Private schools means he was raised in a fairly well-off house hold, potentially rich house hold. And you can draw tons more from the post but we don't need to go to far into detail Coupled with the fact that he thinks elementary school teachers in Uvalde, Texas make six figures in salary and drive their Audis to school every day. Truly shows how out of touch this clown is with reality. We all knew he is off his Detox Meds, but geezus. Troubling to say the least.
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz: @BWS77 He actually gave away tons of info about his upbringing in that post. Which you can kinda see lines up with his viewpoints/opinions Private schools means he was raised in a fairly well-off house hold, potentially rich house hold. And you can draw tons more from the post but we don't need to go to far into detail Coupled with the fact that he thinks elementary school teachers in Uvalde, Texas make six figures in salary and drive their Audis to school every day. Truly shows how out of touch this clown is with reality. We all knew he is off his Detox Meds, but geezus. Troubling to say the least.
Same guy believes 9-11 was a false flag operation.
yep !! detox believes the disgusting conspiracy theoy that g w bush and his admin planned and orchestrated the 9-11 attack on our nation not bin laden and the saudi terrorists r actually totally innocent scapegoats flying several commerical planes into buildings bringing down the towers attacking the pentagon and trying to hit te capitol bldg where his government was killing thousands of americans and first responders
all by the bush government
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Posted:
#400
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:
Same guy believes 9-11 was a false flag operation.
Try adding something of value to the thread.
I did. In the above fact.
Try adding something of value to this forum by setting aside your paranoia, biased criticism, partisan skepticism, ad hominems, and constant trolling
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