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    Rush51
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 2:13 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise.

    Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article. 

    The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !  an_speak

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise.

    Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article. 

    The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !  an_speak

     

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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 2:56 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise. Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article.  The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !

    The wage gap was never declining under Trump. That is a flat out lie. It was rising and is at it's highest point ever. Facts. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise. Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article.  The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !

    The wage gap was never declining under Trump. That is a flat out lie. It was rising and is at it's highest point ever. Facts. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 3:01 PM ET #53

    His tax cuts, which mostly benefit the upper-middle, and wealthy also contribute to growing levels of wealth and income inequality. Yes, the U.S. was in such a great place before COVID-19 an_wink

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    His tax cuts, which mostly benefit the upper-middle, and wealthy also contribute to growing levels of wealth and income inequality. Yes, the U.S. was in such a great place before COVID-19 an_wink

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 3:21 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise. Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article.  The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !

    I'm not choosing sides here but that article isn't exactly glowing. It says gains are "modest" and points to the fact that many of the trends that have led to wage inequality have not changed, nor to they show signs of changing. Also, this is an article about "wage inequality". It is basically about the difference in wage growth between blue collar and white collar workers. What we must realize is that both groups are "workers". And what's good for the goose is good for gander. The real issue, and the issue that Trump's tax plan only exacerbated, is "wealth inequality". It doesn't matter whether blue collar or white collar, it's the ratio of the worker bees take home as it compares to that of wealthy CEOs, stock holders, ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise. Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article.  The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !

    I'm not choosing sides here but that article isn't exactly glowing. It says gains are "modest" and points to the fact that many of the trends that have led to wage inequality have not changed, nor to they show signs of changing. Also, this is an article about "wage inequality". It is basically about the difference in wage growth between blue collar and white collar workers. What we must realize is that both groups are "workers". And what's good for the goose is good for gander. The real issue, and the issue that Trump's tax plan only exacerbated, is "wealth inequality". It doesn't matter whether blue collar or white collar, it's the ratio of the worker bees take home as it compares to that of wealthy CEOs, stock holders, ect.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 4:27 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise. Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article.  The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !

     

    The wage gap was never declining under Trump.

    That is a flat out lie.

    It was rising and is at it's highest point ever. Facts.

     

    As the research study from PEW -- THIS YEAR -- clearly points out, income inequality is worse now than ever before.  Not really sure how ANYONE could read it any other way...

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:  " And Highest income inequality ever!  but do not let facts get in the way of your silly argument."   It sucks when facts get in the way of your argument,  doesn't it ?!  you couldn't be more wrong !   Well YOU outta know... Notwithstanding the link YOU posted was just an opinion piece by some dude named, Gad Levanon, and from almost a year ago, which was NOT a research study... Source: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ ...here are some newer FACTS by the reknowned PEW RESEARCH CENTER published *THIS YEAR* (prior to the trump-virus) ** "The growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling." ** "From 1970 to 2018, the share of aggregate income going to upper-income households increased from 29% to 48%. Over the same period, the share going to middle-class households fell from 62% to 43%.  And the share flowing to lower-income households inched down from 10% in 1970 to 9% in 2018. These trends in income reflect the growth in economic inequality overall in the U.S. in the decades since 1980. ** Income growth has been most rapid for the top 5% of families. Even among higher-income families, the growth in income has favored those at the top. Since 1980, incomes have increased faster for the most affluent families – those in the top 5% – than for families in the income strata below them. This disparity in outcomes is less pronounced in the wake of the Great Recession but shows no signs of reversing. ** The wealth gap between upper-income and lower- and middle-income families has grown wider this century. ** As a result, the wealth gap between America’s richest and poorer families more than doubled from 1989 to 2016. **Income inequality in the U.S has increased since 1980 and is greater than in peer countries ** Income inequality may be measured in a number of ways, but no matter the measure, economic inequality in the U.S. is seen to be on the rise. Well , I don't know how you could screw up "facts".   There was "nothing" opinionated about it.  I could have just as easily posted a similar article about blue collar worker wage growth from a WSJ article.  The fact is the wage gap was DECLINING under Trump, and blue collar pay was actually increasing more than white collar pay.    That sucks your argument has fallen on its face !

     

    The wage gap was never declining under Trump.

    That is a flat out lie.

    It was rising and is at it's highest point ever. Facts.

     

    As the research study from PEW -- THIS YEAR -- clearly points out, income inequality is worse now than ever before.  Not really sure how ANYONE could read it any other way...

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 4:27 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    The wage gap was never declining under Trump. That is a flat out lie. It was rising and is at it's highest point ever. Facts.

     

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/low-income-workers-see-long-awaited-wage-gains-1538771475

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    The wage gap was never declining under Trump. That is a flat out lie. It was rising and is at it's highest point ever. Facts.

     

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/low-income-workers-see-long-awaited-wage-gains-1538771475

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 4:31 PM ET #57

    Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing.... an_light

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    Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing.... an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 4:41 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Republicans held ALL the power in 2017 & 2018 and accomplished diddly squat. Now you are trying to blame Democrats for the continued failure of this administration. So quit whining for cripes sake. Homey Don't Play That

    The beauty of the forum is that one can express themselves in an
    honest and decent environment. You are 100% correct in your assessment.
    The adolf-trump supporters prefer to destroy American lives by refusing to
    adhere to common-sense health measures to protect Americans,
    simply to regain power over the people.
    No President has faced this type of adversity and handled it so badly - just
    to further his own ego and political gain.
    And he's managed to allow the the vast majority of 133,000 American lives lost
    to covid-19. Truth denial is as real as Covid.
    There is hatred in politics like never before, which sharply increased since 2017
    and has been cultivated and stoked by trump and his accomplices.

    Had the adolf-supporters accepted our constitution and truth over lies, it would
    be much better than the chaos created by the self-proclaimed "Grim Reaper"
    Mitch McConnell and his fascism-loving exalted leader, adolf trump.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Republicans held ALL the power in 2017 & 2018 and accomplished diddly squat. Now you are trying to blame Democrats for the continued failure of this administration. So quit whining for cripes sake. Homey Don't Play That

    The beauty of the forum is that one can express themselves in an
    honest and decent environment. You are 100% correct in your assessment.
    The adolf-trump supporters prefer to destroy American lives by refusing to
    adhere to common-sense health measures to protect Americans,
    simply to regain power over the people.
    No President has faced this type of adversity and handled it so badly - just
    to further his own ego and political gain.
    And he's managed to allow the the vast majority of 133,000 American lives lost
    to covid-19. Truth denial is as real as Covid.
    There is hatred in politics like never before, which sharply increased since 2017
    and has been cultivated and stoked by trump and his accomplices.

    Had the adolf-supporters accepted our constitution and truth over lies, it would
    be much better than the chaos created by the self-proclaimed "Grim Reaper"
    Mitch McConnell and his fascism-loving exalted leader, adolf trump.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2020 - 4:42 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote I'm not choosing sides here but that article isn't exactly glowing. It says gains are "modest" and points to the fact that many of the trends that have led to wage inequality have not changed, nor to they show signs of changing. Also, this is an article about "wage inequality". It is basically about the difference in wage growth between blue collar and white collar workers. What we must realize is that both groups are "workers". And what's good for the goose is good for gander. The real issue, and the issue that Trump's tax plan only exacerbated, is "wealth inequality". It doesn't matter whether blue collar or white collar, it's the ratio of the worker bees take home as it compares to that of wealthy CEOs, stock holders, ect.

     

    STU, seriously, what "assets" do blue collar workers typically have that could contribute to their "wealth"... A house ?  What else ?  Maybe a small 401k, if any at all....  

    People that are more affluent typically have a House AND STOCKS.  So, whose fault is that ??  So, are you of the mindset that we should penalize affluent people to "decrease" the wealth gap... Because this is what it sounds like you are advocating for.... A slippery slope to the socialist mindset...  

     

    Winston Churchill:  Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote I'm not choosing sides here but that article isn't exactly glowing. It says gains are "modest" and points to the fact that many of the trends that have led to wage inequality have not changed, nor to they show signs of changing. Also, this is an article about "wage inequality". It is basically about the difference in wage growth between blue collar and white collar workers. What we must realize is that both groups are "workers". And what's good for the goose is good for gander. The real issue, and the issue that Trump's tax plan only exacerbated, is "wealth inequality". It doesn't matter whether blue collar or white collar, it's the ratio of the worker bees take home as it compares to that of wealthy CEOs, stock holders, ect.

     

    STU, seriously, what "assets" do blue collar workers typically have that could contribute to their "wealth"... A house ?  What else ?  Maybe a small 401k, if any at all....  

    People that are more affluent typically have a House AND STOCKS.  So, whose fault is that ??  So, are you of the mindset that we should penalize affluent people to "decrease" the wealth gap... Because this is what it sounds like you are advocating for.... A slippery slope to the socialist mindset...  

     

    Winston Churchill:  Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    I'm directing my comments to all of the Trump enablers who continue to support him while looking to blame others for his failures. He already told the country he doesn't take responsibility for anything. How can anyone support a liar & thief who stole from a child's cancer charity? The Democrats! The Media! China! The Supreme Court! Blaming everyone else except Trump doesn't cut the mustard with Americans who are fed up with this POS.

    Echo that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    I'm directing my comments to all of the Trump enablers who continue to support him while looking to blame others for his failures. He already told the country he doesn't take responsibility for anything. How can anyone support a liar & thief who stole from a child's cancer charity? The Democrats! The Media! China! The Supreme Court! Blaming everyone else except Trump doesn't cut the mustard with Americans who are fed up with this POS.

    Echo that

     
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    Senator Mitt Romney Calls Trump's Decision
    to Commute Roger Stone's Sentence
    'Historic Corruption'

     

    Madeleine Carlisle, Time•July 11, 2020


    On Saturday morning, Utah Sen. Mitt Romney became the first
    Congressional Republican so far to speak out against President
    Donald Trump’s Friday night decision to commute the sentence
    of his longtime associate Roger Stone.
    Stone had been sentenced to 40 months in prison for multiple felonies
    including lying to Congress and attempting to obstruct the Congressional
    investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

    “Unprecedented, historic corruption: an American president
    commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury
    of lying to shield that very president,” Romney tweeted Saturday.

    Last November, a jury found Stone guilty of all seven counts
    brought against him, including lying to Congress about his attempts
    to contact WikiLeaks during the 2016 presidential election.
    He was also found guilty of witness tampering and
    obstructing a Congressional investigation.

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    Senator Mitt Romney Calls Trump's Decision
    to Commute Roger Stone's Sentence
    'Historic Corruption'

     

    Madeleine Carlisle, Time•July 11, 2020


    On Saturday morning, Utah Sen. Mitt Romney became the first
    Congressional Republican so far to speak out against President
    Donald Trump’s Friday night decision to commute the sentence
    of his longtime associate Roger Stone.
    Stone had been sentenced to 40 months in prison for multiple felonies
    including lying to Congress and attempting to obstruct the Congressional
    investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

    “Unprecedented, historic corruption: an American president
    commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury
    of lying to shield that very president,” Romney tweeted Saturday.

    Last November, a jury found Stone guilty of all seven counts
    brought against him, including lying to Congress about his attempts
    to contact WikiLeaks during the 2016 presidential election.
    He was also found guilty of witness tampering and
    obstructing a Congressional investigation.

     
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    That's absolutely shocking that Romney would badmouth  Trump !  

    an_roll_laugh

     

    Seems he'll never get over himself losing the position of Secretary of State to Rex Tillerson.   Romney couldn't even beat incompetent O'bama after all.  Hope UTAH does the right thing and can his ass$.

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    That's absolutely shocking that Romney would badmouth  Trump !  

    an_roll_laugh

     

    Seems he'll never get over himself losing the position of Secretary of State to Rex Tillerson.   Romney couldn't even beat incompetent O'bama after all.  Hope UTAH does the right thing and can his ass$.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....

     

    A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha)

    B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....

     

    A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha)

    B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    That's absolutely shocking that Romney would badmouth  Trump !     Seems he'll never get over himself losing the position of Secretary of State to Rex Tillerson.   Romney couldn't even beat incompetent O'bama after all.  Hope UTAH does the right thing and can his ass$.
    ok most of the party had some reassurance with the team Trump first put together. Most Republicans agreed he was the best man for the job. And the American public voted Trump to become president. 4 years later Republicans are apologizing for this descision and decided Biden should be President. The executive branch must be brought into the law and actions have consequences... 

    So. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    That's absolutely shocking that Romney would badmouth  Trump !     Seems he'll never get over himself losing the position of Secretary of State to Rex Tillerson.   Romney couldn't even beat incompetent O'bama after all.  Hope UTAH does the right thing and can his ass$.
    ok most of the party had some reassurance with the team Trump first put together. Most Republicans agreed he was the best man for the job. And the American public voted Trump to become president. 4 years later Republicans are apologizing for this descision and decided Biden should be President. The executive branch must be brought into the law and actions have consequences... 

    So. 

     
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    Those men confirmed by the Senate to take cabinet positions are lobbying for Biden....

    People can grow up. 

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    Those men confirmed by the Senate to take cabinet positions are lobbying for Biden....

    People can grow up. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Most Republicans agreed he was the best man for the job. And the American public voted Trump to become president. 4 years later Republicans are apologizing for this descision and decided Biden should be President.

    And here again are the REPUBLICAN groups that are pledged now to oppose adolf for re-election:

    ** The Lincoln Project
    ** 43 Alumni for Biden (superpac)
    ** Republican Voters Against Trump
    ** Right Side PAC (superpac)
    ** A new set of Republican national security officials has also emerged in opposition to Trump.
    This last group hasn’t given itself a name yet, and includes the former Bush homeland security adviser Ken Wainstein, and John Bellinger III, who served in the state department. The group is looking to rally national security officials away from Trump – either by supporting Biden or writing in someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Most Republicans agreed he was the best man for the job. And the American public voted Trump to become president. 4 years later Republicans are apologizing for this descision and decided Biden should be President.

    And here again are the REPUBLICAN groups that are pledged now to oppose adolf for re-election:

    ** The Lincoln Project
    ** 43 Alumni for Biden (superpac)
    ** Republican Voters Against Trump
    ** Right Side PAC (superpac)
    ** A new set of Republican national security officials has also emerged in opposition to Trump.
    This last group hasn’t given itself a name yet, and includes the former Bush homeland security adviser Ken Wainstein, and John Bellinger III, who served in the state department. The group is looking to rally national security officials away from Trump – either by supporting Biden or writing in someone else.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Most Republicans agreed he was the best man for the job. And the American public voted Trump to become president. 4 years later Republicans are apologizing for this descision and decided Biden should be President. And here again are the REPUBLICAN groups that are pledged now to oppose adolf for re-election: ** The Lincoln Project** 43 Alumni for Biden (superpac)** Republican Voters Against Trump** Right Side PAC (superpac)** A new set of Republican national security officials has also emerged in opposition to Trump.This last group hasn’t given itself a name yet, and includes the former Bush homeland security adviser Ken Wainstein, and John Bellinger III, who served in the state department. The group is looking to rally national security officials away from Trump – either by supporting Biden or writing in someone else.
    if we remember there was a line up of electoral college votes that defyed their party to support Gary Anderson. No they will never be allowed to hold their parties vote again. But America wants some else here and is tired of supporting senile old white people. For president.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Most Republicans agreed he was the best man for the job. And the American public voted Trump to become president. 4 years later Republicans are apologizing for this descision and decided Biden should be President. And here again are the REPUBLICAN groups that are pledged now to oppose adolf for re-election: ** The Lincoln Project** 43 Alumni for Biden (superpac)** Republican Voters Against Trump** Right Side PAC (superpac)** A new set of Republican national security officials has also emerged in opposition to Trump.This last group hasn’t given itself a name yet, and includes the former Bush homeland security adviser Ken Wainstein, and John Bellinger III, who served in the state department. The group is looking to rally national security officials away from Trump – either by supporting Biden or writing in someone else.
    if we remember there was a line up of electoral college votes that defyed their party to support Gary Anderson. No they will never be allowed to hold their parties vote again. But America wants some else here and is tired of supporting senile old white people. For president.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....

     

    A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha)

    B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever. 

    an_beatupan_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....

     

    A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha)

    B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever. 

    an_beatupan_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....  

     

    A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha)

    B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing.

    Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    Undeniable! ...except of course to those who believe every loony ultra-right-wing narrative eminating from a particular cable news network who are hemorraging stafff due to certain abhorant views

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....  

     

    A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha)

    B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing.

    Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    Undeniable! ...except of course to those who believe every loony ultra-right-wing narrative eminating from a particular cable news network who are hemorraging stafff due to certain abhorant views

     
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    If you worry of taxes you never were really wealthy. ... John D Rockfeller.

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    If you worry of taxes you never were really wealthy. ... John D Rockfeller.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....   A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha) B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    Hammer-Nail-Head

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....   A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha) B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    Hammer-Nail-Head

     
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    These are noted deep state republicans who will come out against Trump. Of course they hate him. Trump is not one of them, and considered an outsider. Trump is his own man trying to fix the past 24 years of foolishness and deep state movement towards socialism. Trump will win again and the democrats will suffer the consequences.

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    These are noted deep state republicans who will come out against Trump. Of course they hate him. Trump is not one of them, and considered an outsider. Trump is his own man trying to fix the past 24 years of foolishness and deep state movement towards socialism. Trump will win again and the democrats will suffer the consequences.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Senator Mitt Romney Calls Trump's Decision to Commute Roger Stone's Sentence 'Historic Corruption'   Madeleine Carlisle, Time•July 11, 2020

     

    This, on Saturday, July 11,  from REPUBLICAN, Robert Mueller:

     

    "I feel compelled to respond both to broad claims
    that our investigation was illegitimate and
    our motives were improper, and to specific claims
    that Roger Stone was a
    of our office,"

    Robert Mueller wrote in a Washington Post op-ed published Saturday.

    "The Russia investigation was of paramount importance. Stone was
    prosecuted and because he .
    He remains a , and rightly so! "



    Mueller defended the work of his two-year investigation,
    which he noted resulted in concrete action:

    "Based on our work, eight individuals pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial,
    and more than two dozen Russian individuals and entities, including senior
    Russian intelligence officers, were charged with federal crimes,"
    he said.


    According to Mueller,
    "Stone communicated in 2016 with individuals
    known to us to be Russian
    intelligence officers
    , and he claimed
    of WikiLeaks'
    release of emails by those Russian intelligence officers."

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Senator Mitt Romney Calls Trump's Decision to Commute Roger Stone's Sentence 'Historic Corruption'   Madeleine Carlisle, Time•July 11, 2020

     

    This, on Saturday, July 11,  from REPUBLICAN, Robert Mueller:

     

    "I feel compelled to respond both to broad claims
    that our investigation was illegitimate and
    our motives were improper, and to specific claims
    that Roger Stone was a
    of our office,"

    Robert Mueller wrote in a Washington Post op-ed published Saturday.

    "The Russia investigation was of paramount importance. Stone was
    prosecuted and because he .
    He remains a , and rightly so! "



    Mueller defended the work of his two-year investigation,
    which he noted resulted in concrete action:

    "Based on our work, eight individuals pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial,
    and more than two dozen Russian individuals and entities, including senior
    Russian intelligence officers, were charged with federal crimes,"
    he said.


    According to Mueller,
    "Stone communicated in 2016 with individuals
    known to us to be Russian
    intelligence officers
    , and he claimed
    of WikiLeaks'
    release of emails by those Russian intelligence officers."

     

     
    Rush51
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2020 - 2:47 AM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....   A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha) B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    Not true... pre-Chinese virus, the gap WAS CLOSING, despite what you and your lib friends would like to believe.   Will you give Trump credit for anything,  or just continue w your losing ways that he can do no right.   I have no problem criticizing Trump for things, but when you libtards discredit him for EVERYTHING, it kinda makes you guys look like fools that can't think for yourself. 

    Don't forget to turn on the Don Lemon show to get your daily programming.   Remember,  do as he says. an_speak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....   A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha) B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    Not true... pre-Chinese virus, the gap WAS CLOSING, despite what you and your lib friends would like to believe.   Will you give Trump credit for anything,  or just continue w your losing ways that he can do no right.   I have no problem criticizing Trump for things, but when you libtards discredit him for EVERYTHING, it kinda makes you guys look like fools that can't think for yourself. 

    Don't forget to turn on the Don Lemon show to get your daily programming.   Remember,  do as he says. an_speak

     
     
    Rush51
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2020 - 2:50 AM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....   A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha) B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    The article occurred during Trump's presidency.   Weren't you the same fraud that said the wage gap was only increasing  ? 

    paint_help

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Go sign yourself up for a subscription.  As a WSJ reader for ages, I recall that the "wage inequality" gap was closing....   A.) The article is from 2 years ago (ha) B.) Just because blue collar wages "were" rising at one point during this clown's administration does not mean the wage gap was closing because the highest earner's and rich' wealth was also growing because of tax cuts, and breaks Trump is giving them. So the wage gap was never closing. Now in 2020, wage and wealth inequality continues to rise to it's highest levels ever.

    The article occurred during Trump's presidency.   Weren't you the same fraud that said the wage gap was only increasing  ? 

    paint_help

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