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    🤔 Age-old political question: "Are we better off today than we were 4 yrs ago?" - This day/month in history...

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    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2024 - 8:28 AM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    On this day in 2020 under the trump regime...  

     

    over 1600 Americans died from the virus trump said was going to go away in 2 weeks im guessing not any better on april 22 , in 2020 under the chump regime

    US COVID-19 death toll passes 40,000, with 742,442 cases recorded according to Johns Hopkins tally, thanks to the president downplaying the whole issue.

    a great deal of that preventable with good leadership in the white house when our nation was under attack from a killer virus

    so to the point of the thread :: ya we r way better off today than this date 4 yrs ago !!

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    On this day in 2020 under the trump regime...  

     

    over 1600 Americans died from the virus trump said was going to go away in 2 weeks im guessing not any better on april 22 , in 2020 under the chump regime

    US COVID-19 death toll passes 40,000, with 742,442 cases recorded according to Johns Hopkins tally, thanks to the president downplaying the whole issue.

    a great deal of that preventable with good leadership in the white house when our nation was under attack from a killer virus

    so to the point of the thread :: ya we r way better off today than this date 4 yrs ago !!

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2024 - 7:42 PM ET #102

    On this day in 2020 under the trump regime...   

     

    US response to the pandemic was so awful that we had  1/3 of all new cases globally

     

    an_lightThankfully our current 2024 President was the one who got the covid recovery in full gear to save American lives and businesses.....and so yes, we are definitely better off 4 yrs later! peace_5

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    On this day in 2020 under the trump regime...   

     

    US response to the pandemic was so awful that we had  1/3 of all new cases globally

     

    an_lightThankfully our current 2024 President was the one who got the covid recovery in full gear to save American lives and businesses.....and so yes, we are definitely better off 4 yrs later! peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 3:05 AM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

      Thankfully our current 2024 President was the one who got the covid recovery in full gear to save American lives and businesses.....and so yes, we are definitely better off 4 yrs later!

    Commonwealth fund study estimates US covid vaccination during 2021-22 prevented over 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths.  Without vaccination, US would have experienced 4 times more covid deaths and hospitalizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

      Thankfully our current 2024 President was the one who got the covid recovery in full gear to save American lives and businesses.....and so yes, we are definitely better off 4 yrs later!

    Commonwealth fund study estimates US covid vaccination during 2021-22 prevented over 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths.  Without vaccination, US would have experienced 4 times more covid deaths and hospitalizations.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 8:50 AM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Thankfully our current 2024 President was the one who got the covid recovery in full gear to save American lives and businesses.....and so yes, we are definitely better off 4 yrs later! Commonwealth fund study estimates US covid vaccination during 2021-22 prevented over 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths.  Without vaccination, US would have experienced 4 times more covid deaths and hospitalizations.

    Where do you come up with these lies and disinformation regarding covid? The heroes we don't hear about are the doctors who replaced the ingredients of the 'kill' shot with NaCl or sterile water! Those are the people who prevented death and serious injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Thankfully our current 2024 President was the one who got the covid recovery in full gear to save American lives and businesses.....and so yes, we are definitely better off 4 yrs later! Commonwealth fund study estimates US covid vaccination during 2021-22 prevented over 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths.  Without vaccination, US would have experienced 4 times more covid deaths and hospitalizations.

    Where do you come up with these lies and disinformation regarding covid? The heroes we don't hear about are the doctors who replaced the ingredients of the 'kill' shot with NaCl or sterile water! Those are the people who prevented death and serious injury.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 11:11 AM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The heroes we don't hear about are the doctors who replaced the ingredients of the 'kill' shot with NaCl or sterile water! Those are the people who prevented death and serious injury.

    Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health.  Fact is almost all healthcare providers are vaccinated.  The Mirror reports on rare story of a German nurse given 6 months probation and suspension of license after being found guilty of assault. In court, she apologized for substituting saline solution after accidentally breaking vial of covid vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The heroes we don't hear about are the doctors who replaced the ingredients of the 'kill' shot with NaCl or sterile water! Those are the people who prevented death and serious injury.

    Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health.  Fact is almost all healthcare providers are vaccinated.  The Mirror reports on rare story of a German nurse given 6 months probation and suspension of license after being found guilty of assault. In court, she apologized for substituting saline solution after accidentally breaking vial of covid vaccine.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 11:14 AM ET #106

    Covid facts are like asking how the world was created

     

    Cant believe most of it...it was sided one way for a reason...we"re supposed to believe that it died down because of a vaccine...yea ok...the pandemic from a 100 years ago with less people and less means of travelling the glpbe took just as long to recover...I highly doubt that...if anything this time may have been a trial run...a lab rat experiment if you will...

    Covid a bit odd

    COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
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    Covid facts are like asking how the world was created

     

    Cant believe most of it...it was sided one way for a reason...we"re supposed to believe that it died down because of a vaccine...yea ok...the pandemic from a 100 years ago with less people and less means of travelling the glpbe took just as long to recover...I highly doubt that...if anything this time may have been a trial run...a lab rat experiment if you will...

    Covid a bit odd

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 2:36 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health.  Fact is almost all healthcare providers are vaccinated.  The Mirror reports on rare story of a German nurse given 6 months probation and suspension of license after being found guilty of assault. In court, she apologized for substituting saline solution after accidentally breaking vial of covid vaccine.
     

    @thirdperson

    Exactly.  Otherwise we would have infections like measles spreading around again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health.  Fact is almost all healthcare providers are vaccinated.  The Mirror reports on rare story of a German nurse given 6 months probation and suspension of license after being found guilty of assault. In court, she apologized for substituting saline solution after accidentally breaking vial of covid vaccine.
     

    @thirdperson

    Exactly.  Otherwise we would have infections like measles spreading around again!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 3:07 PM ET #108

    Comparing measles to covid is a bit of a stretch...how long was measles vaccination in testing before it was released to the public versus covid...an_light

     

    It's not that people are anti vax it's the fact that they pushed and rushed out a vaccine that was not fully tested and determined if safe to the puic...

     

    I'll wait while you do the math and then realize the vast difference is that one took years to perfect while the other was rushed and hardly tested with the public...the public world was the testing group for covidan_popcorn

    COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
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    Comparing measles to covid is a bit of a stretch...how long was measles vaccination in testing before it was released to the public versus covid...an_light

     

    It's not that people are anti vax it's the fact that they pushed and rushed out a vaccine that was not fully tested and determined if safe to the puic...

     

    I'll wait while you do the math and then realize the vast difference is that one took years to perfect while the other was rushed and hardly tested with the public...the public world was the testing group for covidan_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 4:35 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The heroes we don't hear about are the doctors who replaced the ingredients of the 'kill' shot with NaCl or sterile water! Those are the people who prevented death and serious injury. Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health.  
    fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! an_clap

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The heroes we don't hear about are the doctors who replaced the ingredients of the 'kill' shot with NaCl or sterile water! Those are the people who prevented death and serious injury. Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health.  
    fact !!!!!!!!!!!!! an_clap

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 4:42 PM ET #110

    When even CNN polls show 61% of Americans consider Biden a failure then I guess you need silly threads like this.

    Ok, I'll play.

    From July 1st, 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 more people died in the US from COVID under Biden with the vaccine than with Trump from July 1st, 2020 to Dec 31, 2020 without the vaccine. And the next 6 months, Jan 1, 2022 to June 30, 2022 the same thing, more deaths than Trump's 6 months. And he had no vaccine. 

    Countries like France and Germany lowered their death rate July 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 compared to July 2020 to Dec 31, 2020.

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    When even CNN polls show 61% of Americans consider Biden a failure then I guess you need silly threads like this.

    Ok, I'll play.

    From July 1st, 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 more people died in the US from COVID under Biden with the vaccine than with Trump from July 1st, 2020 to Dec 31, 2020 without the vaccine. And the next 6 months, Jan 1, 2022 to June 30, 2022 the same thing, more deaths than Trump's 6 months. And he had no vaccine. 

    Countries like France and Germany lowered their death rate July 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 compared to July 2020 to Dec 31, 2020.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 4:54 PM ET #111

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health. 

    fact !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yep, a threat to public health angry

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that anti-vaxxers are heroes.  Actually, they are a threat to public health. 

    fact !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yep, a threat to public health angry

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 6:18 PM ET #112

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Commonwealth fund study estimates US covid vaccination during 2021-22 prevented over 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths.  Without vaccination, US would have experienced 4 times more covid deaths and hospitalizations.

    @thirdperson

     That should be celebrated!  an_clap

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Commonwealth fund study estimates US covid vaccination during 2021-22 prevented over 18 million hospitalizations and 3 million deaths.  Without vaccination, US would have experienced 4 times more covid deaths and hospitalizations.

    @thirdperson

     That should be celebrated!  an_clap

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 6:37 PM ET #113

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    From July 1st, 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 more people died in the US from COVID under Biden with the vaccine than with Trump from July 1st, 2020 to Dec 31, 2020 without the vaccine.

    Pandemics usually last several years.  Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later.  When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US.  According to Center for disease control, 353,000 deaths in Biden's first 10 months.  Compared to 425,000 deaths during Trump's last 10 months.  So there have been fewer deaths under Biden for similar time periods.  But best comparison is how US compare to the rest of the world.  Under Biden, US has accounted for a smaller share (16%) of world deaths than under Trump (20%).  Under Biden, death rate has dropped over 90%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    From July 1st, 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 more people died in the US from COVID under Biden with the vaccine than with Trump from July 1st, 2020 to Dec 31, 2020 without the vaccine.

    Pandemics usually last several years.  Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later.  When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US.  According to Center for disease control, 353,000 deaths in Biden's first 10 months.  Compared to 425,000 deaths during Trump's last 10 months.  So there have been fewer deaths under Biden for similar time periods.  But best comparison is how US compare to the rest of the world.  Under Biden, US has accounted for a smaller share (16%) of world deaths than under Trump (20%).  Under Biden, death rate has dropped over 90%.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 6:42 PM ET #114

    an_roll_laughthis is great

    COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
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    an_roll_laughthis is great

     
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    @thirdperson

     I think they are actually on the 10th or 11th Covid shot booster now. You up to date and ready for the next wave of Wuhan Virus that hits?

    As far as being better off now verses prior, not even close. Rates are crazy, energy headed way up again, food costs up 20-35% and every where I look the World is coming unraveled with wars, division and we have open borders that will haunt the Nation for decades. Nope things were so much better with the prior administration.

    Good luck and hope this Nation can get back on track soon.

     

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    @thirdperson

     I think they are actually on the 10th or 11th Covid shot booster now. You up to date and ready for the next wave of Wuhan Virus that hits?

    As far as being better off now verses prior, not even close. Rates are crazy, energy headed way up again, food costs up 20-35% and every where I look the World is coming unraveled with wars, division and we have open borders that will haunt the Nation for decades. Nope things were so much better with the prior administration.

    Good luck and hope this Nation can get back on track soon.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2024 - 6:52 PM ET #116

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

    Pandemics usually last several years. 

    Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later. 

    When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US. 

    @thirdperson

     Right and it didn't have to happen to anywhere NEAR the degree it hit us.......but for President "Downplay"

     

    an_lightSo to the point of the thread, we are certainly better off TODAY than we were April 28, 2020 under the trump regime.

     

     

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    Pandemics usually last several years. 

    Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later. 

    When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US. 

    @thirdperson

     Right and it didn't have to happen to anywhere NEAR the degree it hit us.......but for President "Downplay"

     

    an_lightSo to the point of the thread, we are certainly better off TODAY than we were April 28, 2020 under the trump regime.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Comparing measles to covid is a bit of a stretch...how long was measles vaccination in testing before it was released to the public versus covid...   It's not that people are anti vax it's the fact that they pushed and rushed out a vaccine that was not fully tested and determined if safe to the puic...   I'll wait while you do the math and then realize the vast difference is that one took years to perfect while the other was rushed and hardly tested with the public...the public world was the testing group for covid

    So glad Joe told me I could not get Covid with that first shot. Had it a few times after and not sure he was telling the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Comparing measles to covid is a bit of a stretch...how long was measles vaccination in testing before it was released to the public versus covid...   It's not that people are anti vax it's the fact that they pushed and rushed out a vaccine that was not fully tested and determined if safe to the puic...   I'll wait while you do the math and then realize the vast difference is that one took years to perfect while the other was rushed and hardly tested with the public...the public world was the testing group for covid

    So glad Joe told me I could not get Covid with that first shot. Had it a few times after and not sure he was telling the truth.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Pandemics usually last several years.  Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later.  When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US.  @thirdperson  Right and it didn't have to happen to anywhere NEAR the degree it hit us.......but for President "Downplay"   So to the point of the thread, we are certainly better off TODAY than we were April 28, 2020 under the trump regime.

    only a fool would think we were better off april 28 2020 than today 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Pandemics usually last several years.  Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later.  When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US.  @thirdperson  Right and it didn't have to happen to anywhere NEAR the degree it hit us.......but for President "Downplay"   So to the point of the thread, we are certainly better off TODAY than we were April 28, 2020 under the trump regime.

    only a fool would think we were better off april 28 2020 than today 

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: From July 1st, 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 more people died in the US from COVID under Biden with the vaccine than with Trump from July 1st, 2020 to Dec 31, 2020 without the vaccine. Pandemics usually last several years.  Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later.  When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US.  According to Center for disease control, 353,000 deaths in Biden's first 10 months.  Compared to 425,000 deaths during Trump's last 10 months.  So there have been fewer deaths under Biden for similar time periods.  But best comparison is how US compare to the rest of the world.  Under Biden, US has accounted for a smaller share (16%) of world deaths than under Trump (20%).  Under Biden, death rate has dropped over 90%.

     

    All true!  an_cheers

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: From July 1st, 2021 to Dec 31, 2021 more people died in the US from COVID under Biden with the vaccine than with Trump from July 1st, 2020 to Dec 31, 2020 without the vaccine. Pandemics usually last several years.  Starting slowly in 2020 before peaking later.  When Biden took office in 2021, the worst covid wave devastated US.  According to Center for disease control, 353,000 deaths in Biden's first 10 months.  Compared to 425,000 deaths during Trump's last 10 months.  So there have been fewer deaths under Biden for similar time periods.  But best comparison is how US compare to the rest of the world.  Under Biden, US has accounted for a smaller share (16%) of world deaths than under Trump (20%).  Under Biden, death rate has dropped over 90%.

     

    All true!  an_cheers

     

     

     
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    Are we better off TODAY than 4 years ago.... ?

     

    2020:  Trump regime occupies the White House...

     

    Headlines, May 07, 2020:

    an_police  US unemployment claims hit 33.3 million or 20% of the workforce,

    vs two months prior before the trump admin began downplaying a deadly pandemic when unemployment was down to just 3.5%, a 50-year low

     

    2024: Biden/Democrat admin in the White House ....unemployment is 3.9% - an unprecedented positive stretch of 27 consecutive months below 4.0% unemployment.

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    Are we better off TODAY than 4 years ago.... ?

     

    2020:  Trump regime occupies the White House...

     

    Headlines, May 07, 2020:

    an_police  US unemployment claims hit 33.3 million or 20% of the workforce,

    vs two months prior before the trump admin began downplaying a deadly pandemic when unemployment was down to just 3.5%, a 50-year low

     

    2024: Biden/Democrat admin in the White House ....unemployment is 3.9% - an unprecedented positive stretch of 27 consecutive months below 4.0% unemployment.

     
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    new_jaw_drop  33 million out of work !  i forgot  just how fucknbad that got in may 2020 under the republicans  

     

     

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    new_jaw_drop  33 million out of work !  i forgot  just how fucknbad that got in may 2020 under the republicans  

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    33 million out of work !  i forgot  just how fucknbad that got in may 2020 under the republicans
    Nevertheless those are the facts, and it remains true today that we are still digging out from the mess left behind from 2020...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    33 million out of work !  i forgot  just how fucknbad that got in may 2020 under the republicans
    Nevertheless those are the facts, and it remains true today that we are still digging out from the mess left behind from 2020...

     
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    Data is clear.  US economic recovery is stronger than those of other nations because Biden administration learned how to improve on Obama administration.  Choosing to boost spending for faster recovery instead of spending cuts, higher unemployment and risk of recession. 

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    Data is clear.  US economic recovery is stronger than those of other nations because Biden administration learned how to improve on Obama administration.  Choosing to boost spending for faster recovery instead of spending cuts, higher unemployment and risk of recession. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Data is clear.  US economic recovery is stronger than those of other nations because Biden administration learned how to improve on Obama administration.  Choosing to boost spending for faster recovery instead of spending cuts, higher unemployment and risk of recession.

    @thirdperson

     yep        biden and democrat admin hastened recovery and saved america from the trump admin incompetence

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Data is clear.  US economic recovery is stronger than those of other nations because Biden administration learned how to improve on Obama administration.  Choosing to boost spending for faster recovery instead of spending cuts, higher unemployment and risk of recession.

    @thirdperson

     yep        biden and democrat admin hastened recovery and saved america from the trump admin incompetence

     

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Data is clear.  US economic recovery is stronger than those of other nations because Biden administration learned how to improve on Obama administration.  Choosing to boost spending for faster recovery instead of spending cuts, higher unemployment and risk of recession. @thirdperson  yep   

         biden and democrat admin hastened recovery and saved america from the trump admin incompetence

    @KellyM_1964

     Trump's failures and arrogance have hurt hundreds of thousands of Americans both physically and financially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Data is clear.  US economic recovery is stronger than those of other nations because Biden administration learned how to improve on Obama administration.  Choosing to boost spending for faster recovery instead of spending cuts, higher unemployment and risk of recession. @thirdperson  yep   

         biden and democrat admin hastened recovery and saved america from the trump admin incompetence

    @KellyM_1964

     Trump's failures and arrogance have hurt hundreds of thousands of Americans both physically and financially.

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