chance P, i respect your opinion and most people here.
BUT
Yes, it was a very good hand for me and as you stated i am very proud if it and the play was well aknowledged. I did not approach hands in this manner the rest of the tourny and was tuned into peoples hands most of the way.
Mind you all of you would have opted to fold and all would have gotten bluffed in my position spite of " HIS" bad play yet you keep talking about my betting pattern. Forget what the hell i did and consider that call on the turn with the 3rd heart on the board if that never placed warning signals into your mind then forget about this entire thread because any decent player could smell that weakness a mile away. But yes bad call, i won but really lost, get the F outta here man, i was on control all the way.
peace.
chance P, i respect your opinion and most people here.
BUT
Yes, it was a very good hand for me and as you stated i am very proud if it and the play was well aknowledged. I did not approach hands in this manner the rest of the tourny and was tuned into peoples hands most of the way.
Mind you all of you would have opted to fold and all would have gotten bluffed in my position spite of " HIS" bad play yet you keep talking about my betting pattern. Forget what the hell i did and consider that call on the turn with the 3rd heart on the board if that never placed warning signals into your mind then forget about this entire thread because any decent player could smell that weakness a mile away. But yes bad call, i won but really lost, get the F outta here man, i was on control all the way.
Yep. His thread became completely worthless when he never defended that dumb statement.
this thread became golden to me when 100% of replies was "fold" .
So what's worthless are the the lack of thought process, You all chose to focus on my betting pattern but failed to aknowledge my opponents in return. check-call, check-call, check raise and you all fold
Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
Yep. His thread became completely worthless when he never defended that dumb statement.
this thread became golden to me when 100% of replies was "fold" .
So what's worthless are the the lack of thought process, You all chose to focus on my betting pattern but failed to aknowledge my opponents in return. check-call, check-call, check raise and you all fold
So while you all state to be inclined to much some hands with me in order to get rich, please be so kind as to play a few hands with me so i can take yours
So while you all state to be inclined to much some hands with me in order to get rich, please be so kind as to play a few hands with me so i can take yours
this thread became golden to me when 100% of replies was "fold" .
So what's worthless are the the lack of thought process, You all chose to focus on my betting pattern but failed to aknowledge my opponents in return. check-call, check-call, check raise and you all fold
when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was...
like many bad players, you have deduced that since you won you played correctly....thats one of the toughest things to learn....you played the hand as poorly as possibly in spite of yourself you won....
if you make this play in tournaments I feel sorry for you....you risk your tournament life on a horrible play and then a terrible call of a river check raise....
but....the phrases "nice call" and "good hand" have blinded you to the fact that that was about as bad as you could EVER play a hand...
gl bro
Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:
this thread became golden to me when 100% of replies was "fold" .
So what's worthless are the the lack of thought process, You all chose to focus on my betting pattern but failed to aknowledge my opponents in return. check-call, check-call, check raise and you all fold
when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was...
like many bad players, you have deduced that since you won you played correctly....thats one of the toughest things to learn....you played the hand as poorly as possibly in spite of yourself you won....
if you make this play in tournaments I feel sorry for you....you risk your tournament life on a horrible play and then a terrible call of a river check raise....
but....the phrases "nice call" and "good hand" have blinded you to the fact that that was about as bad as you could EVER play a hand...
when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was...
like many bad players, you have deduced that since you won you played correctly....thats one of the toughest things to learn....you played the hand as poorly as possibly in spite of yourself you won....
if you make this play in tournaments I feel sorry for you....you risk your tournament life on a horrible play and then a terrible call of a river check raise....
but....the phrases "nice call" and "good hand" have blinded you to the fact that that was about as bad as you could EVER play a hand...
gl bro
Couldnt have said it better myself.
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was...
like many bad players, you have deduced that since you won you played correctly....thats one of the toughest things to learn....you played the hand as poorly as possibly in spite of yourself you won....
if you make this play in tournaments I feel sorry for you....you risk your tournament life on a horrible play and then a terrible call of a river check raise....
but....the phrases "nice call" and "good hand" have blinded you to the fact that that was about as bad as you could EVER play a hand...
when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was...
like many bad players, you have deduced that since you won you played correctly....thats one of the toughest things to learn....you played the hand as poorly as possibly in spite of yourself you won....
if you make this play in tournaments I feel sorry for you....you risk your tournament life on a horrible play and then a terrible call of a river check raise....
but....the phrases "nice call" and "good hand" have blinded you to the fact that that was about as bad as you could EVER play a hand...
gl bro
very much respect your thoughts TRAIN69. With all due respect you were not their for that hand all you see are my written words you don't see gestures, amount of time he took to call a bet, his reactions when i drilled him after he check-raised me etc.
As you already know poker is situational and as i stated did not play hands in this manner the rest of the tourny though i did take some other risks that paid off. I was in complete control of this hand, i would have been tested had he raised me on the turn but he didnt and that was his MAJOR mistake that you all fail to aknowledge, rather continue to focus on my betting which we all agree was a poor play spite of the fact the bet on the turn gave me plenty of information spite of what you all may think. but if you actually had read my explaination you would get the gist of why i min bet again on the turn but i dont think you did make the effort to read.
I did not risk my tournament life, i forget now but i think i would have been left with 1k early in the tourny. I was just a little below 3-1 to call on the river.
The aknowledgement i recieved was for the call alone, on break some spectators who saw the hand mentioned and questioned my betting but as i explained they understood the risky play i took and agreed about his suspect call on the turn with 3 hearts. The praises did not give me an inflated head in any sense it made me glad the call was aknowledged as reading hands from betting patterns is the strongest part of my game.
But anyways, poor play, butchered hand, horrible call, i was clueless all the way throug hthe hand and just fluked a win without any calculations or thought to the process of calling
This fishy will swim away now
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was...
like many bad players, you have deduced that since you won you played correctly....thats one of the toughest things to learn....you played the hand as poorly as possibly in spite of yourself you won....
if you make this play in tournaments I feel sorry for you....you risk your tournament life on a horrible play and then a terrible call of a river check raise....
but....the phrases "nice call" and "good hand" have blinded you to the fact that that was about as bad as you could EVER play a hand...
gl bro
very much respect your thoughts TRAIN69. With all due respect you were not their for that hand all you see are my written words you don't see gestures, amount of time he took to call a bet, his reactions when i drilled him after he check-raised me etc.
As you already know poker is situational and as i stated did not play hands in this manner the rest of the tourny though i did take some other risks that paid off. I was in complete control of this hand, i would have been tested had he raised me on the turn but he didnt and that was his MAJOR mistake that you all fail to aknowledge, rather continue to focus on my betting which we all agree was a poor play spite of the fact the bet on the turn gave me plenty of information spite of what you all may think. but if you actually had read my explaination you would get the gist of why i min bet again on the turn but i dont think you did make the effort to read.
I did not risk my tournament life, i forget now but i think i would have been left with 1k early in the tourny. I was just a little below 3-1 to call on the river.
The aknowledgement i recieved was for the call alone, on break some spectators who saw the hand mentioned and questioned my betting but as i explained they understood the risky play i took and agreed about his suspect call on the turn with 3 hearts. The praises did not give me an inflated head in any sense it made me glad the call was aknowledged as reading hands from betting patterns is the strongest part of my game.
But anyways, poor play, butchered hand, horrible call, i was clueless all the way throug hthe hand and just fluked a win without any calculations or thought to the process of calling
"when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your
bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight
like you said he was..."
please tell me in your whole poker career you've never ever experienced hands where (it's normally against the more new players) where they continue to call small bets all the way to the river, sees that another small bet has been placed on 5th street, they think you have nothing so they raise you (and it's normally bigger raise than what my opponent placed giving you bad odds) seeing how big the pot has become so they want to steal it.
More often than not your 2nd highest pair is good, they usually hit second bottom pair or something around that range. That has happened many times not only to me but other poker players more experienced than myself.
fishy go now.
Oh BTW:
"when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your
bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight
like you said he was..."
please tell me in your whole poker career you've never ever experienced hands where (it's normally against the more new players) where they continue to call small bets all the way to the river, sees that another small bet has been placed on 5th street, they think you have nothing so they raise you (and it's normally bigger raise than what my opponent placed giving you bad odds) seeing how big the pot has become so they want to steal it.
More often than not your 2nd highest pair is good, they usually hit second bottom pair or something around that range. That has happened many times not only to me but other poker players more experienced than myself.
For the record the min betting is my big issue with this hand. If you feel youve got a read on a guy to call on the river then its hard for anyone to disagree since YOUVE got to go with YOUR read. I just dont like min betting at all, I feel you dont get THAT much info (obv u get something but not much IMO), and ur just asking to get sucked out also. I think you HAVE to raise preflop in your position, and no minbets. but fuck, what do i know
For the record the min betting is my big issue with this hand. If you feel youve got a read on a guy to call on the river then its hard for anyone to disagree since YOUVE got to go with YOUR read. I just dont like min betting at all, I feel you dont get THAT much info (obv u get something but not much IMO), and ur just asking to get sucked out also. I think you HAVE to raise preflop in your position, and no minbets. but fuck, what do i know
"when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was..."
please tell me in your whole poker career you've never ever experienced hands where (it's normally against the more new players) where they continue to call small bets all the way to the river, sees that another small bet has been placed on 5th street, they think you have nothing so they raise you (and it's normally bigger raise than what my opponent placed giving you bad odds) seeing how big the pot has become so they want to steal it.
More often than not your 2nd highest pair is good, they usually hit second bottom pair or something around that range. That has happened many times not only to me but other poker players more experienced than myself.
fishy go now.
there were 3 over cards and 3 to a flush out there......that is the recipe for disaster my friend.....
most "donks" or "fish" DO NOT check raise on the river with nothing.....it just doesnt happen bro.....making that kind of play is actually pretty advanced...your opponent PROBABLY HAD A READ ON YOU...did you look at it from that angle??....
Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:
Oh BTW:
"when someone check raises you on the river after simply calling your bets you are usually in trouble, especially if the opponent is tight like you said he was..."
please tell me in your whole poker career you've never ever experienced hands where (it's normally against the more new players) where they continue to call small bets all the way to the river, sees that another small bet has been placed on 5th street, they think you have nothing so they raise you (and it's normally bigger raise than what my opponent placed giving you bad odds) seeing how big the pot has become so they want to steal it.
More often than not your 2nd highest pair is good, they usually hit second bottom pair or something around that range. That has happened many times not only to me but other poker players more experienced than myself.
fishy go now.
there were 3 over cards and 3 to a flush out there......that is the recipe for disaster my friend.....
most "donks" or "fish" DO NOT check raise on the river with nothing.....it just doesnt happen bro.....making that kind of play is actually pretty advanced...your opponent PROBABLY HAD A READ ON YOU...did you look at it from that angle??....
TRAIN69, all i know is by min betting all the way i knew his check-raise was indicative of him thinking i was weak - i knew he did not put me on the A or J, if any of us had the A/J we would have protected it on the turn considering a 3rd heart dropped on the board (as i stated in my explanation). If you don't agree with that factor of the hand then i think we should all stop and just forget about this stupid, crazy 3ballbomber dude because, as i keep mentioning the turn was informative regardless if you think so or not - it was to me and if it wasn't to you could mean the difference between calling and folding on the river!!!!!
The min betting had him thinking i was weak, no doubt about that - so, with that into consideration, would he be check-raising because he read me as weak and since he knew i didnt have the A/J he could make a move for the pot on the river? (remember i didn't put him on the A/J either)
See, if he had a read on me he would have raised way before the river, he would have raised on the turn considering i made another min bet but he didn't and for me that was the mistake in the hand that i processed for the eventual call.
Like ChanceP was saying and everybody else the min betting was awful and i've mention many times i totally agree but yes i did have a good read on my opponent especially on the turn so though my betting was friggin fucked up lol i was in control of the situation because as much as you all think i let him have the advantage because of the min betting he also made it easy for me to play my hand with that board because he kept calling the min bet untill the eventual bluff. He's mistake, if not is worse than mine and that is what i read on him.
Look i apologise to everybody if i got a little nutty on you - I love you all, i want to be friends, let's all make man love or at least a friendly group man hug but i do assure you i'm not a crazy donk trying to look cool in front of the covers sharks by talking about a hero call i had no business making - i'm a desciple of the game and love it's psychological aspects, i'm in no way a pro or a shark but do have a reasonably desent grasp on the game.
- fishy says peace and respects -
TRAIN69, all i know is by min betting all the way i knew his check-raise was indicative of him thinking i was weak - i knew he did not put me on the A or J, if any of us had the A/J we would have protected it on the turn considering a 3rd heart dropped on the board (as i stated in my explanation). If you don't agree with that factor of the hand then i think we should all stop and just forget about this stupid, crazy 3ballbomber dude because, as i keep mentioning the turn was informative regardless if you think so or not - it was to me and if it wasn't to you could mean the difference between calling and folding on the river!!!!!
The min betting had him thinking i was weak, no doubt about that - so, with that into consideration, would he be check-raising because he read me as weak and since he knew i didnt have the A/J he could make a move for the pot on the river? (remember i didn't put him on the A/J either)
See, if he had a read on me he would have raised way before the river, he would have raised on the turn considering i made another min bet but he didn't and for me that was the mistake in the hand that i processed for the eventual call.
Like ChanceP was saying and everybody else the min betting was awful and i've mention many times i totally agree but yes i did have a good read on my opponent especially on the turn so though my betting was friggin fucked up lol i was in control of the situation because as much as you all think i let him have the advantage because of the min betting he also made it easy for me to play my hand with that board because he kept calling the min bet untill the eventual bluff. He's mistake, if not is worse than mine and that is what i read on him.
Look i apologise to everybody if i got a little nutty on you - I love you all, i want to be friends, let's all make man love or at least a friendly group man hug but i do assure you i'm not a crazy donk trying to look cool in front of the covers sharks by talking about a hero call i had no business making - i'm a desciple of the game and love it's psychological aspects, i'm in no way a pro or a shark but do have a reasonably desent grasp on the game.
wow you are so bad and u play this limit...jesus u should dropped ur hand way long time and ya raise preflop\
Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:
NBA takes up a significant amount of my life but off season i can get back on the tables. Here's the hand:
- Blinds are 50/100 - still early in the tourny - I have a below average chip stack and opponent has an average stack. - I'm Button & opponent is SB - My opponent is conservative and can play tight. - I have been dealt Pocket 6 off suit
- Pre-flop everybody folds but the blinds (Me and opponent) - Flop is A J 2 with two hearts - Opponent checks, I bet minimum and opponent calls. - River 5 of hearts - Opponent checks, I bet minimum & opponent calls - River 8 of spade - Opponent checks, I bet minimum again & he raises extra 500 on top - (remember blinds is 50/100) so there's about 1400 in the pot.
I whent deep into the think tank..............
What would you do?
wow you are so bad and u play this limit...jesus u should dropped ur hand way long time and ya raise preflop\
Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:
NBA takes up a significant amount of my life but off season i can get back on the tables. Here's the hand:
- Blinds are 50/100 - still early in the tourny - I have a below average chip stack and opponent has an average stack. - I'm Button & opponent is SB - My opponent is conservative and can play tight. - I have been dealt Pocket 6 off suit
- Pre-flop everybody folds but the blinds (Me and opponent) - Flop is A J 2 with two hearts - Opponent checks, I bet minimum and opponent calls. - River 5 of hearts - Opponent checks, I bet minimum & opponent calls - River 8 of spade - Opponent checks, I bet minimum again & he raises extra 500 on top - (remember blinds is 50/100) so there's about 1400 in the pot.
Yep. His thread became completely worthless when he never defended that dumb statement. 
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