How would you have played this hand?

I have to agree with ChanceP here - going all in shouldn't have even been an option. And i know what you mean that in this stage of the tourny people tend to get tight/tighter so there would be a small possibility of people calling an all BUT..........


There's a few things you needed to consider:

1. With a hand like AQ you need at least 2 players in that hand - heads up would be the best scenario for this hand so raising 4X BB just to see where you are and get the weaker hands to fold would have been i guess some what a more logical play. Why risk your whole stack with AQ which to me isn't that good of a hand anyway suited or not.

Also as you stated players tend to get tight at this stage because of the level of blinds so although players may have good pot odds to call why now do you assume they would risk their stack just based on pot odds alone and go against what you primarily stated? If you had raised the standard 4X BB and they all called your raise then fine but at least your not risking your whole stack, which as ChanceP stated, was worth 35 blinds and if you didn't hit that flop then fold and live to fight another hand and you'd be left with like 9.2k.


2. You are out of position on SB so the last thing you want to do with 3 players after you is risk your whole stack out of position. It is very risky and you should have picked a better spot to make a move, especially a move to risk everything you have mid way through a tourny.


3. Table Image (this is probably the most important factor in this hand - did you have a good read on the players on your table especially the players in this hand? If any of those players been loose or calling stations then going all in was an even worse idea and oviously he called you with pocket 4's so he was very loose. But most of all what was your table image? more often than not people would have folded an all in from a very tight or conservative player but again if your against a loose player then your getting called down even with pocket 3's lol.



But yup calling over 90% of his chips with pocket 4's was a hell of a call. Limp then calling all in to me sounds like a horrible play from a donkey. Bad luck!

Edit, it should have read:

I have to agree with ChanceP here - going all in shouldn't have even been an option. And i know what you mean that in this stage of the tourny people tend to get tight/tighter so there would be a small possibility of people calling an all in BUT..........

Just out of curiosity, what was the buy-in for the tourney?

how did you perceive the player on the button prior to this hand? did you have an idea the range of hands his capable of playing? this is the reason why i think table image is important because it also involves the hands they are capable of playing in a raise/all in situations where you have to make these sort of decisions. Raising here allows you to determine the hands people are capable of calling you with granted you have a good read on players and then you can have a better chance to out play them on the flop. Where as going all in eliminates your chance in playing for this pot strategically instead opted for a big gamble out of position with a hand that you think is powerful enough to push all your chips in the middle.

 
It's just my opinion but i think you should have picked a better spot especially because you were out of position from who i think is a very loose player. Though your chips stack was just over the average you still had 35blinds worth thus plenty of time to pick another spot with even a better hand.

" If you had 15 blinds or less a shove would be completely acceptable" - chancep

even 20 blinds is considered acceptable for a push but 35 is still sufficient., you had a whole round before you were BB again.

what if player on the button hit his set on the flop? He could have flat called a raise with pocket 10-J or Q with a flop of low cards then he'll be hoping to spike his 2 face cards with only 2 streets left if he is called for an all in.

IMO i think it would have been better to stay patient and wait for a better spot to push.

i didnt read what anyone else had to say in this thread just this first guy here and i agree pretty much exactly with what he said.  i would have made it 1300 then hoped to hit the flop and if not i just get out.  i dont like limping in because you do have the best hand probably and almost for sure if it improves.  i hate going all in preflop here too, as much as a i hate the call with 44.  theres not enough in the pot at all to go all in, theres a lot of idiots that will call with any pair just because that 1% ahead is such a great advantage to them they forget about the times ppl have jj qq there.

probably right you make it 1300 then you get 3 calls, however you are going to hit the flop yourself sometimes and will be ahead if you do most likely and then someone goes with qj loses and you double up.  however its possible these guys are all tight limpers and all fold you never know.

I see what you guys are saying, however I dont 100% agree. Lets say I do make it 1300-1500 like you guys say. Im going to get most likely 2-3 callers...its a pot I think I can take down right away, as I was playing tight, so I didnt anticipate anyone would call the 10k all in. It was a switch up style for me. I figured some people have something to the effect of A10, K10 type hands limping in without raising. I felt no reason to think someone had AK or any large PP. Usually at this stage of the game with the blinds, people are not just "limping" with a big PP, especially from mid position. IF you are on the button like that guy with 44, and you have JJ+...you arent limping at all..once some guy limps, you are going to pop it, otherwise you are a mental lapsed player.

I take you guys points, but I still say its a limp or an all in for me. I could see raising to 2k, but then what. Ive just commited 1/5 of my stack and if the flop comes shitty, i lost it. More than likely I wont hit an A or a Q on the flop, and if i get a handful of callers...then what...i have no clue where I am.

$50 buy in.

I know what you guys are saying and 90% of the time I play like that. Its not as if that situation happens im going to go AI everytime. I just thought it would be a diff play, which I thought wasnt bad. I needed to mix it up a little, and I had a hand that if someone called was pretty good. I just didnt want to go to a flop with 3-4 people. At that point, 1300 is probably the same as limping as virtually everyone will call...at least 2 others would for sure..potentially 3.

I think this is a hand you could play many ways. I hate being OOP with good hands..and my read was right that obv no one had anything they should call with. Some clown does and I brick the way...but Id probably play it the same again in that exact spot. However, normally I wont play it like that and probably make it 1.5k and see a flop..