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    Day-trader1
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 11:04 AM ET #351

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    Sure every kicker can split the uprights every kick if they just wanted to do just that..  Scobe must have missed that seminar in college.  Dam cost him his job. But he could hit the post on call ..  Rainman dont quit your day job..

    He must have been "influenced" by that 100k from vegas to "miss" on purpose... Makes lots of sense now(insert sarcasm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    Sure every kicker can split the uprights every kick if they just wanted to do just that..  Scobe must have missed that seminar in college.  Dam cost him his job. But he could hit the post on call ..  Rainman dont quit your day job..

    He must have been "influenced" by that 100k from vegas to "miss" on purpose... Makes lots of sense now(insert sarcasm)

     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 11:31 AM ET #352

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    Sure every kicker can split the uprights every kick if they just wanted to do just that..  Scobe must have missed that seminar in college.  Dam cost him his job. But he could hit the post on call ..  Rainman dont quit your day job..


    You are watching wrestling, not football. The only legit football game is high school, and its only because it isnt tainted by money. Even NCAAFB is fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

    Sure every kicker can split the uprights every kick if they just wanted to do just that..  Scobe must have missed that seminar in college.  Dam cost him his job. But he could hit the post on call ..  Rainman dont quit your day job..


    You are watching wrestling, not football. The only legit football game is high school, and its only because it isnt tainted by money. Even NCAAFB is fucked.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 12:24 PM ET #353

    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    Im pretty sure nearly every NFL kicker can put that ball exactly where they want. And him hitting it dead center was on purpose. 


    LOL! They're pros, not gods. The level of skill that would be required to do that at will is humanly impossible.

    Amazing how the mind can convince itself of so many things that are so ridiculous...
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    Im pretty sure nearly every NFL kicker can put that ball exactly where they want. And him hitting it dead center was on purpose. 


    LOL! They're pros, not gods. The level of skill that would be required to do that at will is humanly impossible.

    Amazing how the mind can convince itself of so many things that are so ridiculous...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 12:59 PM ET #354

    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNight:


    LOL! They're pros, not gods. The level of skill that would be required to do that at will is humanly impossible.

    Amazing how the mind can convince itself of so many things that are so ridiculous...


    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNight:


    LOL! They're pros, not gods. The level of skill that would be required to do that at will is humanly impossible.

    Amazing how the mind can convince itself of so many things that are so ridiculous...


    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 1:12 PM ET #355

    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches

    We're obviously talking about hitting the pole dead center at will, not missing kicks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches

    We're obviously talking about hitting the pole dead center at will, not missing kicks...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 1:20 PM ET #356

    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches

    I'm confused.

    Why are you even in here???  It's not to bet the games, that's for sure.  I mean...who in their right mind would bet on a game that is fixed every time!

    You must be in here to sort of Paul Revere us..."THE GAMES ARE FIXED.....THE GAMES ARE FIXED"  Don't bet on football!!

    In that this is a betting site, and mostly degenerate gamblers, you have to be like the Jehovahs Witness of gamblers.  Going door to door in a suit and tie warning us of the evil fixes in all football games.

    Okay, thanks for the warning, I'm closing the door now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches

    I'm confused.

    Why are you even in here???  It's not to bet the games, that's for sure.  I mean...who in their right mind would bet on a game that is fixed every time!

    You must be in here to sort of Paul Revere us..."THE GAMES ARE FIXED.....THE GAMES ARE FIXED"  Don't bet on football!!

    In that this is a betting site, and mostly degenerate gamblers, you have to be like the Jehovahs Witness of gamblers.  Going door to door in a suit and tie warning us of the evil fixes in all football games.

    Okay, thanks for the warning, I'm closing the door now.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 1:34 PM ET #357

    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    There was absolutely no way he was going to make that kick. Im pretty sure nearly every NFL kicker can put that ball exactly where they want. And him hitting it dead center was on purpose. "They" were not giving all that money back on both sides of -3 and +3.

    The fix was in. You could see the script from a mile away in the way the game was played from the opening kick. Hocker makes $435,000  year. Another $50,- $100k could easily influence him.

    WOW ok, thats great, lets assume this guys are that great at kicking the ball (which almost went in on the bounce and would have him killed by the big bad boss)... 

    ok they pay 100k to the kicker right? who else got paid?? im assuming Brees got paid... the o-line?? pretty much every player had to be paid in this script right???

    yup sounds like a recipe to make money
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    There was absolutely no way he was going to make that kick. Im pretty sure nearly every NFL kicker can put that ball exactly where they want. And him hitting it dead center was on purpose. "They" were not giving all that money back on both sides of -3 and +3.

    The fix was in. You could see the script from a mile away in the way the game was played from the opening kick. Hocker makes $435,000  year. Another $50,- $100k could easily influence him.

    WOW ok, thats great, lets assume this guys are that great at kicking the ball (which almost went in on the bounce and would have him killed by the big bad boss)... 

    ok they pay 100k to the kicker right? who else got paid?? im assuming Brees got paid... the o-line?? pretty much every player had to be paid in this script right???

    yup sounds like a recipe to make money
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 1:41 PM ET #358

    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches

    Hitting the post on purpose 100% (hell even 50%) is not real... and if you think it is 100% like you said then we have two options:

    a)Kickers go to a secret agent/kicker/fixer school were they are trained to do this, and if they wanted they could make every FG ever tried but are all working for "them" and everytime they miss its on purpose and they are the biggest ballers ever. (all of this since college of course)

    b) the whole team knows that they are perfect and are in on it... they all get paid huge amounts of money and have great self control and have never told anyone about fixing games
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    Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:



    The level of skill involved to miss a kick on purpose is zero.
    Ridiculous is the notion that these games are real football matches

    Hitting the post on purpose 100% (hell even 50%) is not real... and if you think it is 100% like you said then we have two options:

    a)Kickers go to a secret agent/kicker/fixer school were they are trained to do this, and if they wanted they could make every FG ever tried but are all working for "them" and everytime they miss its on purpose and they are the biggest ballers ever. (all of this since college of course)

    b) the whole team knows that they are perfect and are in on it... they all get paid huge amounts of money and have great self control and have never told anyone about fixing games
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 1:44 PM ET #359

    I think the most "obvious" flaw in the 'fixed theory' is the fact that all of these NFL scripts need NFL Players.

    Where do NFL players come from? College.

    Basically if everything is scripted, that means the "athletes/actors" need to be identified in College from the biggest programs. Maybe Vegas can do that too, fine.

    Where do College football players come from? high school.

    and so on and so forth. So unless Vegas is tagging individuals out of the womb as "future NFL actors" I don't see a full-blown scripted WWE style entertainment as the PHIXER may or may not have suggested.


    I do, 100%, believe there is enough power in few key individuals (refs, star players, etc.) to fix certain games, or to manipulate outcomes. But full-blown script is damn near impossible.
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    I think the most "obvious" flaw in the 'fixed theory' is the fact that all of these NFL scripts need NFL Players.

    Where do NFL players come from? College.

    Basically if everything is scripted, that means the "athletes/actors" need to be identified in College from the biggest programs. Maybe Vegas can do that too, fine.

    Where do College football players come from? high school.

    and so on and so forth. So unless Vegas is tagging individuals out of the womb as "future NFL actors" I don't see a full-blown scripted WWE style entertainment as the PHIXER may or may not have suggested.


    I do, 100%, believe there is enough power in few key individuals (refs, star players, etc.) to fix certain games, or to manipulate outcomes. But full-blown script is damn near impossible.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 1:50 PM ET #360

    neil rackers told the secret to the world and he is nowhere to be found! they got him now!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZghatdM8mo
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    neil rackers told the secret to the world and he is nowhere to be found! they got him now!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZghatdM8mo
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 1:53 PM ET #361

    Quote Originally Posted by thebobbygreen:

    I think the most "obvious" flaw in the 'fixed theory' is the fact that all of these NFL scripts need NFL Players.

    Where do NFL players come from? College.

    Basically if everything is scripted, that means the "athletes/actors" need to be identified in College from the biggest programs. Maybe Vegas can do that too, fine.

    Where do College football players come from? high school.

    and so on and so forth. So unless Vegas is tagging individuals out of the womb as "future NFL actors" I don't see a full-blown scripted WWE style entertainment as the PHIXER may or may not have suggested.


    I do, 100%, believe there is enough power in few key individuals (refs, star players, etc.) to fix certain games, or to manipulate outcomes. But full-blown script is damn near impossible.

    yes, this is obviously very posible and likely to happen, one or two guys for their own benefit manipulate a game, not for the infamous vegas... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebobbygreen:

    I think the most "obvious" flaw in the 'fixed theory' is the fact that all of these NFL scripts need NFL Players.

    Where do NFL players come from? College.

    Basically if everything is scripted, that means the "athletes/actors" need to be identified in College from the biggest programs. Maybe Vegas can do that too, fine.

    Where do College football players come from? high school.

    and so on and so forth. So unless Vegas is tagging individuals out of the womb as "future NFL actors" I don't see a full-blown scripted WWE style entertainment as the PHIXER may or may not have suggested.


    I do, 100%, believe there is enough power in few key individuals (refs, star players, etc.) to fix certain games, or to manipulate outcomes. But full-blown script is damn near impossible.

    yes, this is obviously very posible and likely to happen, one or two guys for their own benefit manipulate a game, not for the infamous vegas... 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 2:18 PM ET #362

    Quote Originally Posted by pihxer:

    MNF: Seattle Seahawks vs Detroit Lions

    This is a 10 Units play

    Under 43 -110

    You just joined this month...haha 2 post.   Do you really think you can fool anyone. 

    Pretty sad when they try so hard to push a good capper to leave and they don't, now trying to pretend to be the capper...really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pihxer:

    MNF: Seattle Seahawks vs Detroit Lions

    This is a 10 Units play

    Under 43 -110

    You just joined this month...haha 2 post.   Do you really think you can fool anyone. 

    Pretty sad when they try so hard to push a good capper to leave and they don't, now trying to pretend to be the capper...really.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 2:22 PM ET #363

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiantain:

    You just joined this month...haha 2 post.   Do you really think you can fool anyone. 

    Pretty sad when they try so hard to push a good capper to leave and they don't, now trying to pretend to be the capper...really.


    hahahahahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiantain:

    You just joined this month...haha 2 post.   Do you really think you can fool anyone. 

    Pretty sad when they try so hard to push a good capper to leave and they don't, now trying to pretend to be the capper...really.


    hahahahahahaha
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 2:28 PM ET #364

    Wow how do we get the imposter blocked
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    Wow how do we get the imposter blocked
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 2:56 PM ET #365

    great video statfreak 
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    great video statfreak 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 2:58 PM ET #366

    Primetime over/under picks are high risk IMO.

    GL
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    Primetime over/under picks are high risk IMO.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 3:05 PM ET #367

    I'm now 13-10 on my NFL picks for the year..I even suspect phixer was following me last nite when he announced Saints -3  and Saints 2nd haff,same plays I had which was very public knowledge..Ill go ahead and announce my tonite's play..Drum Roll Drum Roll.... Under 43
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    I'm now 13-10 on my NFL picks for the year..I even suspect phixer was following me last nite when he announced Saints -3  and Saints 2nd haff,same plays I had which was very public knowledge..Ill go ahead and announce my tonite's play..Drum Roll Drum Roll.... Under 43
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 3:18 PM ET #368

    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:


    yes, this is obviously very posible and likely to happen, one or two guys for their own benefit manipulate a game, not for the infamous vegas... 

    The "fixing" of games story is as old as time. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (because clearly it has) but, there are so many eyes on NFL games it would be tough to make happen. Obviously, coaching and referee'ing are the most likely candidates to be approached, but most of the refs undergo some pretty intense scrutiny before every calling a game, not to mention they average around 150k a year salary. That's a good living and many aren't likely to risk losing that. You will never find a head coach involved. They make way to much and they risk losing much more than money and a career. I've never heard of an NFL head coach found guilty of cheating.

    Usually when some calls "fixing" they lost a lot of money and have to explain it away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:


    yes, this is obviously very posible and likely to happen, one or two guys for their own benefit manipulate a game, not for the infamous vegas... 

    The "fixing" of games story is as old as time. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (because clearly it has) but, there are so many eyes on NFL games it would be tough to make happen. Obviously, coaching and referee'ing are the most likely candidates to be approached, but most of the refs undergo some pretty intense scrutiny before every calling a game, not to mention they average around 150k a year salary. That's a good living and many aren't likely to risk losing that. You will never find a head coach involved. They make way to much and they risk losing much more than money and a career. I've never heard of an NFL head coach found guilty of cheating.

    Usually when some calls "fixing" they lost a lot of money and have to explain it away.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by irage:


    The "fixing" of games story is as old as time. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (because clearly it has) but, there are so many eyes on NFL games it would be tough to make happen. Obviously, coaching and referee'ing are the most likely candidates to be approached, but most of the refs undergo some pretty intense scrutiny before every calling a game, not to mention they average around 150k a year salary. That's a good living and many aren't likely to risk losing that. You will never find a head coach involved. They make way to much and they risk losing much more than money and a career. I've never heard of an NFL head coach found guilty of cheating.

    Usually when some calls "fixing" they lost a lot of money and have to explain it away.

    You've never heard of a head coach found cheating? hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by irage:


    The "fixing" of games story is as old as time. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (because clearly it has) but, there are so many eyes on NFL games it would be tough to make happen. Obviously, coaching and referee'ing are the most likely candidates to be approached, but most of the refs undergo some pretty intense scrutiny before every calling a game, not to mention they average around 150k a year salary. That's a good living and many aren't likely to risk losing that. You will never find a head coach involved. They make way to much and they risk losing much more than money and a career. I've never heard of an NFL head coach found guilty of cheating.

    Usually when some calls "fixing" they lost a lot of money and have to explain it away.

    You've never heard of a head coach found cheating? hehe
     
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    This thread just gets stranger.From interesting to ignorant.Realize that might not be a adequate description but all i can come up with.I am no better or worse than anyone else.I have bet football since 74.I have seen a lot and i mean a lot of stange endings in the NFL and so have 99%of yall.Yep,southern.But i also coached high school football in this football crazy state of Alabama for 35 years,the last 15 as a defensive coordinator at one of the larger programs in the state and i have seen all of these stange things happen in real time,on Friday night.Everything from bad calls to dumb behind coaching.Even field goals to win the game that went doink.I attended dozens of coaching clinics,and summer camps sponsored by all the major schools and some not so major in our state.Alabama,Auburn,UAB,Troy,Jacksonville State,and several others.I met and got to know many ex pro players,and coaches,even coached alond side some.I've been to several pro camps,a few fall camps.You get to do all kinds of things in a good program.I will say this and you guys can either get what i am putting down or dismiss it and call me a idiot ,in the long run it does not matter much,these games are not fixed or scripted,weight rooms,training tables,film rooms,dining halls,once saw a practice where warrick dunn was running a toss sweep and warren sapp was right on his behind,all 300 pounds of him,step for step and dunn wisely ran outa bounds rather than turn it up with the safty running the alley and both fixing to bust his behind.Every player i ever talked to about it said people were stupid to bet on it not because its fixed but because its totally unpredictable.Anyway fan duel and draft kings are giving bettors alternatives.Before you dismiss this as nonsense i repeat that i too have been the victim of stange things and lost wagers.And won a few.But i have seen all of these strange things happen on friday nite ,,,the exact same things,all of em.Its a highly competitive game played by highly competitive people who work their behind off to get where they are.Wager free from fear of the fix.Its a urban myth.Phixer i enjoyed it.But this thread filling up with to much bull.
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    This thread just gets stranger.From interesting to ignorant.Realize that might not be a adequate description but all i can come up with.I am no better or worse than anyone else.I have bet football since 74.I have seen a lot and i mean a lot of stange endings in the NFL and so have 99%of yall.Yep,southern.But i also coached high school football in this football crazy state of Alabama for 35 years,the last 15 as a defensive coordinator at one of the larger programs in the state and i have seen all of these stange things happen in real time,on Friday night.Everything from bad calls to dumb behind coaching.Even field goals to win the game that went doink.I attended dozens of coaching clinics,and summer camps sponsored by all the major schools and some not so major in our state.Alabama,Auburn,UAB,Troy,Jacksonville State,and several others.I met and got to know many ex pro players,and coaches,even coached alond side some.I've been to several pro camps,a few fall camps.You get to do all kinds of things in a good program.I will say this and you guys can either get what i am putting down or dismiss it and call me a idiot ,in the long run it does not matter much,these games are not fixed or scripted,weight rooms,training tables,film rooms,dining halls,once saw a practice where warrick dunn was running a toss sweep and warren sapp was right on his behind,all 300 pounds of him,step for step and dunn wisely ran outa bounds rather than turn it up with the safty running the alley and both fixing to bust his behind.Every player i ever talked to about it said people were stupid to bet on it not because its fixed but because its totally unpredictable.Anyway fan duel and draft kings are giving bettors alternatives.Before you dismiss this as nonsense i repeat that i too have been the victim of stange things and lost wagers.And won a few.But i have seen all of these strange things happen on friday nite ,,,the exact same things,all of em.Its a highly competitive game played by highly competitive people who work their behind off to get where they are.Wager free from fear of the fix.Its a urban myth.Phixer i enjoyed it.But this thread filling up with to much bull.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 6:28 PM ET #371

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper_Dan:

    I'm now 13-10 on my NFL picks for the year..I even suspect phixer was following me last nite when he announced Saints -3  and Saints 2nd haff,same plays I had which was very public knowledge..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeXatpVSInA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper_Dan:

    I'm now 13-10 on my NFL picks for the year..I even suspect phixer was following me last nite when he announced Saints -3  and Saints 2nd haff,same plays I had which was very public knowledge..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeXatpVSInA
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 7:19 PM ET #372

    Quote Originally Posted by Bondsman:

    This thread just gets stranger.From interesting to ignorant.Realize that might not be a adequate description but all i can come up with.I am no better or worse than anyone else.I have bet football since 74.I have seen a lot and i mean a lot of stange endings in the NFL and so have 99%of yall.Yep,southern.But i also coached high school football in this football crazy state of Alabama for 35 years,the last 15 as a defensive coordinator at one of the larger programs in the state and i have seen all of these stange things happen in real time,on Friday night.Everything from bad calls to dumb behind coaching.Even field goals to win the game that went doink.I attended dozens of coaching clinics,and summer camps sponsored by all the major schools and some not so major in our state.Alabama,Auburn,UAB,Troy,Jacksonville State,and several others.I met and got to know many ex pro players,and coaches,even coached alond side some.I've been to several pro camps,a few fall camps.You get to do all kinds of things in a good program.I will say this and you guys can either get what i am putting down or dismiss it and call me a idiot ,in the long run it does not matter much,these games are not fixed or scripted,weight rooms,training tables,film rooms,dining halls,once saw a practice where warrick dunn was running a toss sweep and warren sapp was right on his behind,all 300 pounds of him,step for step and dunn wisely ran outa bounds rather than turn it up with the safty running the alley and both fixing to bust his behind.Every player i ever talked to about it said people were stupid to bet on it not because its fixed but because its totally unpredictable.Anyway fan duel and draft kings are giving bettors alternatives.Before you dismiss this as nonsense i repeat that i too have been the victim of stange things and lost wagers.And won a few.But i have seen all of these strange things happen on friday nite ,,,the exact same things,all of em.Its a highly competitive game played by highly competitive people who work their behind off to get where they are.Wager free from fear of the fix.Its a urban myth.Phixer i enjoyed it.But this thread filling up with to much bull.


    Exactly, and I'll add this. 

    I played sports all my life, was MVP of undefeated high school teams and receive schoralship to college, qualified and competed in national competition on the college level. 

    I've played in all kinds of amatuer  sports leagues, flag football, basketball, pool leagues, once I was a cornerback on a flag football team VS a 3RD string Ohio state QB, was the 2cd leading scorer on a basketball team made the championship game VS a 6'6" ex boston college player, played in other championship flag fooball games , you guys can think all you want about it but I know how sports goes, I've seen things happen in sports that could not be written in a hollywood movie script, it's crazy howe things can play-out in sports at times.

    I've seen teams way out of the playoff race all of a sudden can not be beat and they roll into the playoffs and win the title. 

    I've seen teams on the verge of being blown-out come back and win, and I've personally been on both sides of those kinds of games.

    I've seem games won only to have miracles happen and lose, the craziest things happen that could never be accounted for.

    For anyone to say because something crazy happened is evidence of fixing tells me they have never played sports much or payed much attention to how things can play-out at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bondsman:

    This thread just gets stranger.From interesting to ignorant.Realize that might not be a adequate description but all i can come up with.I am no better or worse than anyone else.I have bet football since 74.I have seen a lot and i mean a lot of stange endings in the NFL and so have 99%of yall.Yep,southern.But i also coached high school football in this football crazy state of Alabama for 35 years,the last 15 as a defensive coordinator at one of the larger programs in the state and i have seen all of these stange things happen in real time,on Friday night.Everything from bad calls to dumb behind coaching.Even field goals to win the game that went doink.I attended dozens of coaching clinics,and summer camps sponsored by all the major schools and some not so major in our state.Alabama,Auburn,UAB,Troy,Jacksonville State,and several others.I met and got to know many ex pro players,and coaches,even coached alond side some.I've been to several pro camps,a few fall camps.You get to do all kinds of things in a good program.I will say this and you guys can either get what i am putting down or dismiss it and call me a idiot ,in the long run it does not matter much,these games are not fixed or scripted,weight rooms,training tables,film rooms,dining halls,once saw a practice where warrick dunn was running a toss sweep and warren sapp was right on his behind,all 300 pounds of him,step for step and dunn wisely ran outa bounds rather than turn it up with the safty running the alley and both fixing to bust his behind.Every player i ever talked to about it said people were stupid to bet on it not because its fixed but because its totally unpredictable.Anyway fan duel and draft kings are giving bettors alternatives.Before you dismiss this as nonsense i repeat that i too have been the victim of stange things and lost wagers.And won a few.But i have seen all of these strange things happen on friday nite ,,,the exact same things,all of em.Its a highly competitive game played by highly competitive people who work their behind off to get where they are.Wager free from fear of the fix.Its a urban myth.Phixer i enjoyed it.But this thread filling up with to much bull.


    Exactly, and I'll add this. 

    I played sports all my life, was MVP of undefeated high school teams and receive schoralship to college, qualified and competed in national competition on the college level. 

    I've played in all kinds of amatuer  sports leagues, flag football, basketball, pool leagues, once I was a cornerback on a flag football team VS a 3RD string Ohio state QB, was the 2cd leading scorer on a basketball team made the championship game VS a 6'6" ex boston college player, played in other championship flag fooball games , you guys can think all you want about it but I know how sports goes, I've seen things happen in sports that could not be written in a hollywood movie script, it's crazy howe things can play-out in sports at times.

    I've seen teams way out of the playoff race all of a sudden can not be beat and they roll into the playoffs and win the title. 

    I've seen teams on the verge of being blown-out come back and win, and I've personally been on both sides of those kinds of games.

    I've seem games won only to have miracles happen and lose, the craziest things happen that could never be accounted for.

    For anyone to say because something crazy happened is evidence of fixing tells me they have never played sports much or payed much attention to how things can play-out at times.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 7:34 PM ET #373

    Quote Originally Posted by Bondsman:

    This thread just gets stranger.From interesting to ignorant.Realize that might not be a adequate description but all i can come up with.I am no better or worse than anyone else.I have bet football since 74.I have seen a lot and i mean a lot of stange endings in the NFL and so have 99%of yall.Yep,southern.But i also coached high school football in this football crazy state of Alabama for 35 years,the last 15 as a defensive coordinator at one of the larger programs in the state and i have seen all of these stange things happen in real time,on Friday night.Everything from bad calls to dumb behind coaching.Even field goals to win the game that went doink.I attended dozens of coaching clinics,and summer camps sponsored by all the major schools and some not so major in our state.Alabama,Auburn,UAB,Troy,Jacksonville State,and several others.I met and got to know many ex pro players,and coaches,even coached alond side some.I've been to several pro camps,a few fall camps.You get to do all kinds of things in a good program.I will say this and you guys can either get what i am putting down or dismiss it and call me a idiot ,in the long run it does not matter much,these games are not fixed or scripted,weight rooms,training tables,film rooms,dining halls,once saw a practice where warrick dunn was running a toss sweep and warren sapp was right on his behind,all 300 pounds of him,step for step and dunn wisely ran outa bounds rather than turn it up with the safty running the alley and both fixing to bust his behind.Every player i ever talked to about it said people were stupid to bet on it not because its fixed but because its totally unpredictable.Anyway fan duel and draft kings are giving bettors alternatives.Before you dismiss this as nonsense i repeat that i too have been the victim of stange things and lost wagers.And won a few.But i have seen all of these strange things happen on friday nite ,,,the exact same things,all of em.Its a highly competitive game played by highly competitive people who work their behind off to get where they are.Wager free from fear of the fix.Its a urban myth.Phixer i enjoyed it.But this thread filling up with to much bull.

    I certainly don't have your level of involvement in sports, but I too have worked with some former collegiate players from some pretty big schools. They say there are scandals in every school, but they wouldn't say the games are fixed or that some outside source was influencing games.

    I think your assessment is pretty sound. NFL is by far the worst sport to gamble on and it's simply because of the parity of teams. These guys are playing at the highest level which basically means any team can win on any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bondsman:

    This thread just gets stranger.From interesting to ignorant.Realize that might not be a adequate description but all i can come up with.I am no better or worse than anyone else.I have bet football since 74.I have seen a lot and i mean a lot of stange endings in the NFL and so have 99%of yall.Yep,southern.But i also coached high school football in this football crazy state of Alabama for 35 years,the last 15 as a defensive coordinator at one of the larger programs in the state and i have seen all of these stange things happen in real time,on Friday night.Everything from bad calls to dumb behind coaching.Even field goals to win the game that went doink.I attended dozens of coaching clinics,and summer camps sponsored by all the major schools and some not so major in our state.Alabama,Auburn,UAB,Troy,Jacksonville State,and several others.I met and got to know many ex pro players,and coaches,even coached alond side some.I've been to several pro camps,a few fall camps.You get to do all kinds of things in a good program.I will say this and you guys can either get what i am putting down or dismiss it and call me a idiot ,in the long run it does not matter much,these games are not fixed or scripted,weight rooms,training tables,film rooms,dining halls,once saw a practice where warrick dunn was running a toss sweep and warren sapp was right on his behind,all 300 pounds of him,step for step and dunn wisely ran outa bounds rather than turn it up with the safty running the alley and both fixing to bust his behind.Every player i ever talked to about it said people were stupid to bet on it not because its fixed but because its totally unpredictable.Anyway fan duel and draft kings are giving bettors alternatives.Before you dismiss this as nonsense i repeat that i too have been the victim of stange things and lost wagers.And won a few.But i have seen all of these strange things happen on friday nite ,,,the exact same things,all of em.Its a highly competitive game played by highly competitive people who work their behind off to get where they are.Wager free from fear of the fix.Its a urban myth.Phixer i enjoyed it.But this thread filling up with to much bull.

    I certainly don't have your level of involvement in sports, but I too have worked with some former collegiate players from some pretty big schools. They say there are scandals in every school, but they wouldn't say the games are fixed or that some outside source was influencing games.

    I think your assessment is pretty sound. NFL is by far the worst sport to gamble on and it's simply because of the parity of teams. These guys are playing at the highest level which basically means any team can win on any day.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 7:39 PM ET #374

    the level disgust from the scam of the earth inhabiting this site and not only this site, but our everyday lives, the uneducated loudmouth idiots who were never taught anything by their parents but blubbering popular slogans - those are the people that live among us with absolute no respect to another.
    i'd give half the kingdom away to be able to cut your tongues and pick your eyes out, to drive a needle under your nails and to rip your throat our with a single hand motion.
    i'd really love to do those things few on my thread as well. oh, how i wish it was possible to meet you in person dapperdicks, logcottages and qudinhs and all the other scam of the earth. how i wish, how i wish you were here...

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    the level disgust from the scam of the earth inhabiting this site and not only this site, but our everyday lives, the uneducated loudmouth idiots who were never taught anything by their parents but blubbering popular slogans - those are the people that live among us with absolute no respect to another.
    i'd give half the kingdom away to be able to cut your tongues and pick your eyes out, to drive a needle under your nails and to rip your throat our with a single hand motion.
    i'd really love to do those things few on my thread as well. oh, how i wish it was possible to meet you in person dapperdicks, logcottages and qudinhs and all the other scam of the earth. how i wish, how i wish you were here...

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

    unfortunately, that sentiment is shared by many true fans of football. we only have very few real games played throughout the whole season. even if i was not handicapping them and may be especially then - i would not enjoy the games where the play calling is worse than i would do as a coach or as a qb

    I don't get it Phixer.  If all of the games are rigged why would you ever bet them unless you really had inside information and if you had inside information why would you ever lose a game.  CHASING with 10 unit 2nd half plays is like dogs CHASING cars....they don't last very long.

    Tonite both Seattle and Detroit have struggled scoring in the 1st Half.  I like UN 21.5 in the first half.  I hope the first half goes UN for your 10 UNIT UN 43 bet.  If the score is 21-24 at half, should we tune in for a 20 Unit half time play?  Best of luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

    unfortunately, that sentiment is shared by many true fans of football. we only have very few real games played throughout the whole season. even if i was not handicapping them and may be especially then - i would not enjoy the games where the play calling is worse than i would do as a coach or as a qb

    I don't get it Phixer.  If all of the games are rigged why would you ever bet them unless you really had inside information and if you had inside information why would you ever lose a game.  CHASING with 10 unit 2nd half plays is like dogs CHASING cars....they don't last very long.

    Tonite both Seattle and Detroit have struggled scoring in the 1st Half.  I like UN 21.5 in the first half.  I hope the first half goes UN for your 10 UNIT UN 43 bet.  If the score is 21-24 at half, should we tune in for a 20 Unit half time play?  Best of luck!

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