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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 5:42 PM ET #76

    Netanyahu speech at UN General Assembly



    The Jewish state of Israel will always protect the rights of all its minorities, including the more than 1 million Arab citizens of Israel. I wish I could say the same thing about a future Palestinian state, for as Palestinian officials made clear the other day -- in fact, I think they made it right here in New York -- they said the Palestinian state won't allow any person in it. They'll be person-free -- Judenrein. That's ethnic cleansing. There are laws today in Ramallah that make the selling of land to person punishable by death. That's racism. And you know which laws this evokes.



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    Netanyahu speech at UN General Assembly



    The Jewish state of Israel will always protect the rights of all its minorities, including the more than 1 million Arab citizens of Israel. I wish I could say the same thing about a future Palestinian state, for as Palestinian officials made clear the other day -- in fact, I think they made it right here in New York -- they said the Palestinian state won't allow any person in it. They'll be person-free -- Judenrein. That's ethnic cleansing. There are laws today in Ramallah that make the selling of land to person punishable by death. That's racism. And you know which laws this evokes.



     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 6:01 PM ET #77

    the first video is propaganda ranting

    attacks on Lebanon by the Zionist entity.!!!!!!


    constitute war crimes !!!

    The Zionist is an Infidel !!!!!!


    Was any thought whatsoever given to the posting of this video.



    Its like the dead American Citizen Anwar al-Awlaki,

     posting a video of his views on America. And stating America as described by a real American.


    Incredible to post a video and say Zionism exposed by a real person.


    How Bizarre




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    the first video is propaganda ranting

    attacks on Lebanon by the Zionist entity.!!!!!!


    constitute war crimes !!!

    The Zionist is an Infidel !!!!!!


    Was any thought whatsoever given to the posting of this video.



    Its like the dead American Citizen Anwar al-Awlaki,

     posting a video of his views on America. And stating America as described by a real American.


    Incredible to post a video and say Zionism exposed by a real person.


    How Bizarre




     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 6:17 PM ET #78

    Lets be clear the entity that in the past fought a war in Lebanon  and occupied Southern Lebanon, all in the past  was the democracy of Israel. 

    The videos are all anti-Jewish propaganda.
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    Lets be clear the entity that in the past fought a war in Lebanon  and occupied Southern Lebanon, all in the past  was the democracy of Israel. 

    The videos are all anti-Jewish propaganda.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 6:25 PM ET #79

    Quote Originally Posted by BMA:



    what crimes please substantiate


    Some of the links were from a while ago, some were from this week...

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-rounds-african-migrants-deportation-143102803.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/human-rights-watch-slams-israel-migrant-law-131211129.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-put-thousands-africans-detention-camp-184419459.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/01/us-usa-israel-iran-idUSWBT00931920080701

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinians-begin-prisoner-exchange-084531463.html

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40849923/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

    I can keep going if you'd like..

    Most of the links were taken from my threads as you've already stalked my entire covers profile..

    There's a difference between not supporting Israel and being an anti semite..    Use your small mind to try and figure it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMA:



    what crimes please substantiate


    Some of the links were from a while ago, some were from this week...

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-rounds-african-migrants-deportation-143102803.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/human-rights-watch-slams-israel-migrant-law-131211129.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-put-thousands-africans-detention-camp-184419459.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/01/us-usa-israel-iran-idUSWBT00931920080701

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinians-begin-prisoner-exchange-084531463.html

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40849923/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

    I can keep going if you'd like..

    Most of the links were taken from my threads as you've already stalked my entire covers profile..

    There's a difference between not supporting Israel and being an anti semite..    Use your small mind to try and figure it out
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 6:37 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    Some of the links were from a while ago, some were from this week...

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-rounds-african-migrants-deportation-143102803.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/human-rights-watch-slams-israel-migrant-law-131211129.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-put-thousands-africans-detention-camp-184419459.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/01/us-usa-israel-iran-idUSWBT00931920080701

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinians-begin-prisoner-exchange-084531463.html

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40849923/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

    I can keep going if you'd like..

    Most of the links were taken from my threads as you've already stalked my entire covers profile..

    There's a difference between not supporting Israel and being an anti semite..    Use your small mind to try and figure it out



    What crime

    No crime in link one for starters

    Please don't waste time posting links that do not refer to crimes by the state of Israel. Please get real
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    Some of the links were from a while ago, some were from this week...

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-rounds-african-migrants-deportation-143102803.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/human-rights-watch-slams-israel-migrant-law-131211129.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-put-thousands-africans-detention-camp-184419459.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/01/us-usa-israel-iran-idUSWBT00931920080701

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinians-begin-prisoner-exchange-084531463.html

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40849923/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

    I can keep going if you'd like..

    Most of the links were taken from my threads as you've already stalked my entire covers profile..

    There's a difference between not supporting Israel and being an anti semite..    Use your small mind to try and figure it out



    What crime

    No crime in link one for starters

    Please don't waste time posting links that do not refer to crimes by the state of Israel. Please get real
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 6:39 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    Some of the links were from a while ago, some were from this week...

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-rounds-african-migrants-deportation-143102803.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/human-rights-watch-slams-israel-migrant-law-131211129.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-put-thousands-africans-detention-camp-184419459.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/01/us-usa-israel-iran-idUSWBT00931920080701

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinians-begin-prisoner-exchange-084531463.html

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40849923/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

    I can keep going if you'd like..

    Most of the links were taken from my threads as you've already stalked my entire covers profile..

    There's a difference between not supporting Israel and being an anti semite..    Use your small mind to try and figure it out



    you will certainly waste your time posting more links, it all collapsed at post one and I will not look at others. You could not post crimes so you posted links unrelated to crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    Some of the links were from a while ago, some were from this week...

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-rounds-african-migrants-deportation-143102803.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/human-rights-watch-slams-israel-migrant-law-131211129.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-put-thousands-africans-detention-camp-184419459.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/01/us-usa-israel-iran-idUSWBT00931920080701

    https://news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinians-begin-prisoner-exchange-084531463.html

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40849923/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

    I can keep going if you'd like..

    Most of the links were taken from my threads as you've already stalked my entire covers profile..

    There's a difference between not supporting Israel and being an anti semite..    Use your small mind to try and figure it out



    you will certainly waste your time posting more links, it all collapsed at post one and I will not look at others. You could not post crimes so you posted links unrelated to crimes.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 7:08 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by BMA:




    you will certainly waste your time posting more links, it all collapsed at post one and I will not look at others. You could not post crimes so you posted links unrelated to crimes.



    Your reading comprehension needs work then.. And because you were so quick to dismiss the 1st link which is an action of the Isreali government that is pretty damn awful you missed one of the links further down the list about the Isreali prime minister being charge with rape.

    Explain how that;s not a crime, however I also said actions so you're proving once again that you are an idiot.

    "we have no right being their ally based on their actions and heinous crimes they've committed along with Palestinians and other arab nation." -- thats what said not limiting it to just crimes....
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    you will certainly waste your time posting more links, it all collapsed at post one and I will not look at others. You could not post crimes so you posted links unrelated to crimes.



    Your reading comprehension needs work then.. And because you were so quick to dismiss the 1st link which is an action of the Isreali government that is pretty damn awful you missed one of the links further down the list about the Isreali prime minister being charge with rape.

    Explain how that;s not a crime, however I also said actions so you're proving once again that you are an idiot.

    "we have no right being their ally based on their actions and heinous crimes they've committed along with Palestinians and other arab nation." -- thats what said not limiting it to just crimes....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 7:23 PM ET #83

    s pretty damn awful---------------that is not a crime



    Isreali prime minister being charge with rape. That is not a crime against the Nation Of Israel!!!!!!!

    Clinton got head



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    s pretty damn awful---------------that is not a crime



    Isreali prime minister being charge with rape. That is not a crime against the Nation Of Israel!!!!!!!

    Clinton got head



     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 7:37 PM ET #84

    Again you're missing the point I said I do not support Israel because of their actions AND crimes....

    getting head and rape are the same thing?
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    Again you're missing the point I said I do not support Israel because of their actions AND crimes....

    getting head and rape are the same thing?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 7:42 PM ET #85

    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.
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    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.
     
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    I would never want to be in a helpless position combined with being alone with BMA at that same time... I have a feeling BMA's face is the last thing they see b4 the shovel connects with their skull and as they are falling out of consciousness they faintly notice BMA's 2 inch penis comes out fully erect 
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 7:48 PM ET #87

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    Again you're missing the point I said I do not support Israel because of their actions AND crimes....

    getting head and rape are the same thing?



    still waiting for the crimes by the state of Israel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    Again you're missing the point I said I do not support Israel because of their actions AND crimes....

    getting head and rape are the same thing?



    still waiting for the crimes by the state of Israel
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.




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    28 September 2010 Last updated at 08:30 

    US faces growing problems in regulating fortune tellers


    Fears that vulnerable people are being exploited have led to a growing push to regulate commercial fortune-tellers in the United States.

    Fortune telling is big business. One in seven Americans has consulted a psychic or fortune-teller

    In some parts of New York there are psychics and tarot card readers on almost every block, charging anything from $5 (£3) to over $100 (£63) for a consultation

    As of this month, every fortune-teller in the city of Warren, Michigan must have a licence to operate. To get this they must undergo a police background check, have their fingerprints taken and pay an annual fee of $160.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11409477


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.



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    He plays and swims with a crocodile. I think one day the croc will kill him, don't you.

    A fisherman in Costa Rica has been explaining his unusual relationship with a crocodile called "Pocho", who he plays with like a pet dog.

    Chito says he found the reptile with a gunshot wound 20 years ago on the banks of the Parismina river and nursed him back to health at his home.

    He says he released Pocho into the wild but he followed him back, and the pair have been inseparable ever since. 

    see video

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11424547

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    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.



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    He plays and swims with a crocodile. I think one day the croc will kill him, don't you.

    A fisherman in Costa Rica has been explaining his unusual relationship with a crocodile called "Pocho", who he plays with like a pet dog.

    Chito says he found the reptile with a gunshot wound 20 years ago on the banks of the Parismina river and nursed him back to health at his home.

    He says he released Pocho into the wild but he followed him back, and the pair have been inseparable ever since. 

    see video

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11424547

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.




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    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.




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    Sasha Jackson is a star with an impressive resume.

    Sasha Jackson is an upcoming British actress
    British actress Sasha Jackson is now primarily based in Los Angeles


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUuLf_WnLo0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

    You're really a brain dead moron aren't you?

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism
    2. you can't differentiate between crimes and actions
    3. you seem to think that getting raped and having a sexual affair(getting head are the same thing)

    -am I missing something?

    It's kinda hard to argue with someone who doesn't understand these simple differences.




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    thankfully I shut BMA the fuck up for a moment with his own random distorted off the point bullshit blabbering/articles
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    Isreal does have a beautiful flag ... always thought this
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    Posted: Jun. 11, 2012 - 8:50 PM ET #95

    Quote Originally Posted by Iw1nBets:

    thankfully I shut BMA the fuck up for a moment with his own random distorted off the point bullshit blabbering/articles




    BMA seems like an out of this world mental case..
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    thankfully I shut BMA the fuck up for a moment with his own random distorted off the point bullshit blabbering/articles




    BMA seems like an out of this world mental case..
     
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    captjohn67   asks youPosted: 7/20/2011 2:55:57 PM
    why don't you like person??

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    Stiln  Posted: 7/21/2011 1:34:46 PM
    So being anti-israel consequently makes me antisemitic logan/slim/wake etc....? No it doesn't you morons..

    The killing of Palestinians  is so disproportionate it's mind boggling.  But I'm just a person hating scum bag.. Okay man..
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    why don't you like person??

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    Stiln  Posted: 7/21/2011 1:34:46 PM
    So being anti-israel consequently makes me antisemitic logan/slim/wake etc....? No it doesn't you morons..

    The killing of Palestinians  is so disproportionate it's mind boggling.  But I'm just a person hating scum bag.. Okay man..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMA:

    captjohn67   asks youPosted: 7/20/2011 2:55:57 PM
    why don't you like person??

    #############################
    Stiln  Posted: 7/21/2011 1:34:46 PM
    So being anti-israel consequently makes me antisemitic logan/slim/wake etc....? No it doesn't you morons..

    The killing of Palestinians  is so disproportionate it's mind boggling.  But I'm just a person hating scum bag.. Okay man..
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    why don't you like person??

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    Stiln  Posted: 7/21/2011 1:34:46 PM
    So being anti-israel consequently makes me antisemitic logan/slim/wake etc....? No it doesn't you morons..

    The killing of Palestinians  is so disproportionate it's mind boggling.  But I'm just a person hating scum bag.. Okay man..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

    Truth about Zionists


    ZIONISM EXPOSED HARD By a Real person


    JUDAISM AND ZIONISM Part 1 of 5

    Part 2 of 5

    Part 3 of 5

    Part 4 of 5

    Part 5 of 5



    Is American Mass Media controlled by Zionists?







    HERE IS THE TRUTH ABOUT ZIONISTS

    The reason that the person have been able to gain statehood against such opposition, whereas the Palestinians, enjoying widespread sympathy, have failed, is that the Zionist movement sought the dignity of sovereignty above all. In their quest for statehood the Jewish people put the past behind, abandoned the demand for absolute justice and focused on building their future.

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    Truth about Zionists


    ZIONISM EXPOSED HARD By a Real person


    JUDAISM AND ZIONISM Part 1 of 5

    Part 2 of 5

    Part 3 of 5

    Part 4 of 5

    Part 5 of 5



    Is American Mass Media controlled by Zionists?







    HERE IS THE TRUTH ABOUT ZIONISTS

    The reason that the person have been able to gain statehood against such opposition, whereas the Palestinians, enjoying widespread sympathy, have failed, is that the Zionist movement sought the dignity of sovereignty above all. In their quest for statehood the Jewish people put the past behind, abandoned the demand for absolute justice and focused on building their future.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:



    refer to post 95 for any further discussion you may want to have with yourself


    you state you are anti-Israel.

    That is different to what you have said in this thread

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism

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    anti-Israel and not supporting Israel, are separate and distinct opinions given by you, and they clearly do not match, which is the real opinion.

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    refer to post 95 for any further discussion you may want to have with yourself


    you state you are anti-Israel.

    That is different to what you have said in this thread

    1. you dont understand the difference between not supporting isreal and anti-semitism

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    anti-Israel and not supporting Israel, are separate and distinct opinions given by you, and they clearly do not match, which is the real opinion.

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