Lines dictates the game....

I gotta chime here, in the small handful of instances that people have been caught messing with games (80s Knicks team, Tim Donaghy, AZ St basketball.....) all those were instances of people trying to fix games to BEAT Vegas.  Sportsbooks were technically the victims in those cases.  So when you say "Vegas was in on the fix" you have zero examples to back that up, as no one has ever been caught fixing games who was on the side of Vegas.  When the most powerful government in the world can't even keep leaks from occuring, it's pretty amazing that Vegas has kept such a large conspiracy under wraps for so long.  Not once ever getting caught.  Crazy.

Okay I just bolded above exactly why Vegas doesn't need to fix games, you laid out their exact business model and why they ALWAYS win.  They don't need to fix games, you just explained exactly why.

And in regards to your very first sentence....behind closed doors?  You think it's just rich dudes sitting in a room who click a button and a game automatically gets fixed?  Someone has to actually implement and mess with the games like players or refs.  No way they wouldn't be exposed by someone eventually if they actually did this.  If you were involved in an operation like this you could write a book about it and make serious money.

donaghy never went to jail for fixing games.

Those aren't situations, that's gambling 101.  And their motive?  Again this is their business model and it's not some secret model, it's a business.  They do this to make money just like any other business. 

I dont understand your point, Im debating the idea that Vegas fixes games.  But you seem to be trying to make the point that Sportsbooks business model is the conspiracy now?

All that is fine and actually a good contribution to covers.  But you've dodged all my points about the the whole "Vegas fix" thing.

Holding too bad I didn't see your post before taking Heat I can't seem to figure bball at least not yet but your like effing rainman already wow keep em coming who ya like in NYK and GSW tmrw ??

Nice call on Indiana

holding not bad in the nba ;)

which website is the best in your opinion. 

I'm not going to give the books the action they want and that exactly what Bulls games appear to be I look at the Bulls like 00 on a roulette wheel there's just no way to handicap games they are involved in its GAMBLING at least intil the smoke from DROSE settles a bit more because they are threw make no mistake about it but it's become a cheesy trademark for this team to have herotic heart and the never say die in the face of insurmountable oods so with the added motivation from the loss of Rose I think theres more milk in that cow in terms of storyline for Bristal and cold cash for the books. Realistically speaking there is no reason to take them in tonight's matchup they are totally Desimated Butlers hurt as well as Deng they are going to the garden aganist a talented but seemingly gutless Knicks squad so this game is really about NYs brass are you going allow yourselfs to be out gutted by a rival thats right where you want them I hope not but we'll see another interesting thing about this matchup is this two teams seem to have a lot of interaction with the zebras in Chicago's case to thier advantage the Bulls are hacks as individuals and collectively as a team so normally games where refs swallow it they win and tightly called games they get blown out the Knicks are a team that seems to always be slighted by the refs even at home so many wins have been stolen from them in recent memory it seems like a theme I think the league has it in for Mello a bit he must really be a dbag I'm sure to some it all up a wager in this match is a wager on the refs are they going to throw shade at the home team or no I say they will try but in the end the bulls prob still just won't have enough so I'll look to the under and focus on a more intriguing matchup with Dallas and GSW in the late game In which I'll be looking to GS to get the revenge

I'll be indefinitely deferring to you for NBA Holding if you will be so gracious in allowing that so I can use my engery to properly focus on the remainder of the NFL and bowl season in which all gatherings will be shared with the members of this thread anything else I have to offer in regards to bball college and pro will be put in the other thread

writing a book on how sports are fixed wouldnt make any money. no1 would read it no one cares.

Wow it's tumbleweeds rolling around in here ...u guys ready to win today ??? Picks to come standby

Early plays Chi PK
Indi -6

nice plays dusty.

Lines? Are you sure?

It's always Vegas this and bookies that. Should I enlighten the conspiracy buffs?

Have ya checked out the megabucks tv and sponsors shell out?

In every game the side that would keep the races tighter won. In the games where it didn't matter the better team usually won and covered. NE-MIA? MIA in the running for a wild card will get more viewers than hypothetical seeds. GB winning with DAL and PHI both losing keeps the east tight and it's actually 3 team race in the North.

Now even PIT may not be mathematically eliminated. Of course CIN is 0- 4 as -3 or more on the road an 4-0 -3 or more at home. So lines definitely are a clue.

Dusty good job,,, I hit a really hi percentage week15 but lost my biggest play... Over all  won about 28 units... Havent been following NBA And my plays are just a fraction of NFL.. I finally figured out what the turn means in week15... 

BOL

MNF WEEK 15 

I'm taking an exotic bet with Ravens +14.5. - 275. I think they keep it close but just in case. BOL Fellas!

Adding large ML play on DET

Do you guys finally realize how much love Vegas and the NFL have for Ravens? It is TOTALLY out of proportion. Please, i beg you all, to pick any of Ravens wins, sit down - watch the game. AND WATCH HOW MUCH RIGGING IS GOING ON. Today, it was so obvious that they wanted to Ravens to win that it hurts my eyes. I didnt lay any money on Ravens, because i felt that, Vegas/NFL have helped them so much this season, that it just had got to stop. But as i watched the game, in the 2nd quarter, it is scary that so large parts of the game is scripted. It was so scripted, that Calvin the megatron Johnson even decided to fix it INFRONT OF THE HOME CROWD, he is OK with letting this go. You see, 2nd quarter, easy catch and then on purpose decides not to catch the ball? At this point, EVERYONE, must realize that they want Ravens to cover and WIN. The fix in this game is so huge, that they even want the best playmaker in the entire game to drop the game on purpose, and that is a huge deal. Just watch the game, and you will know whats going on. It is scary, but its close to every single play that is scripted, and if someone doesnt do his job as the SCRIPT says, THEN COACHES GO CRAZY. 

Yeap,, ravens usually allow the Pats to go to the playoffs... Detroit will pound the next two opponents ... I dropped like 12 units on tonights game... 3 det and 9 ml... Not here to complain.. I live off of fixes... 

Holding - you were on the right side. No doubt about it. But the fix is bigger than the right side. Normally, u would argue that the fix should be in favor of the Lions here, but rlly their love for Ravens is so deep this year, they carried them through 4 games now just to light it up in the division between Bengals/Ravens.