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    Is there anyway to justify Staley calling that timeout??

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    Bluejay50
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:21 AM ET #1

    Speechless.   And I had Chargers 2nd half -4 large, so I wanted Chargers to get it back but, WHY would you do that?  Raiders looked like they were gonna be ok w ultra conservative running and using clock for the tie.  

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    Speechless.   And I had Chargers 2nd half -4 large, so I wanted Chargers to get it back but, WHY would you do that?  Raiders looked like they were gonna be ok w ultra conservative running and using clock for the tie.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:29 AM ET #2

    Analytics. 

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    Analytics. 

     
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     Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out.

    That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up).

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     Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out.

    That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up).

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:34 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    @Bluejay50  Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out. That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up).

    This.

    The timeout had nothin to do with LA losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    @Bluejay50  Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out. That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up).

    This.

    The timeout had nothin to do with LA losing.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:34 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23:

    @Bluejay50  Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out. That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up).

    It was actually about 8 seconds.. either way you are right it wouldn't change the outcome..

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    @Bluejay50  Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out. That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up).

    It was actually about 8 seconds.. either way you are right it wouldn't change the outcome..

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:36 AM ET #6

    It doesnt matter if he called a TO... The Raiders would have just called a TO instead... The announcers basically told you how the game would end without actually telling you... All game long, they kept mentioning tie and how that guy hasnt missed a kick... Everyone thought that is how the game would end, him missing the GW FG and the game ending in a tie yet the opposite happened.. 

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    It doesnt matter if he called a TO... The Raiders would have just called a TO instead... The announcers basically told you how the game would end without actually telling you... All game long, they kept mentioning tie and how that guy hasnt missed a kick... Everyone thought that is how the game would end, him missing the GW FG and the game ending in a tie yet the opposite happened.. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:38 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23: @Bluejay50  Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out. That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up). This. The timeout had nothin to do with sd losing.

    It changes the momentum of the game. All the players was thinking simple run and end the game. Just like the Pittsburgh game against the Browns. After the timeout, the Steelers come out and score a walk in TD. I saw this happens too many times. When there is a timeout at the end of the game, some thing strange happens. These coach should just let thing run it course. It is 99% that the Raiders will have a simple run play and the game will end with a tie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kvs23: @Bluejay50  Yes.  He did not call it with 30 seconds on playclock - he called it with 3 seconds.  So play is running off at basically that point.  He just wanted to make sure his safeties didn't get fooled on a deep ball or something b/c (maybe) OAK tries it as they can just punt after that if it bricks out. That is NOT an unreasonable time out.  He isn't calling TO to WIN THE GAME.  He is just reminding his young 20 year olds with ton of adrenaline to be careful.  (Look OAK threw on 1st down of the drive - when EVERYONE assumed it would be 3 runs to get a 1st down and TIE locked up). This. The timeout had nothin to do with sd losing.

    It changes the momentum of the game. All the players was thinking simple run and end the game. Just like the Pittsburgh game against the Browns. After the timeout, the Steelers come out and score a walk in TD. I saw this happens too many times. When there is a timeout at the end of the game, some thing strange happens. These coach should just let thing run it course. It is 99% that the Raiders will have a simple run play and the game will end with a tie.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:39 AM ET #8

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    Yes. But the timeout wasn't the backbreaker. Going for it on 4th down deep in his own zone and the other idiotic things he did this year.

    I'm a believer in analytics. They can be very useful but in football, especially the NFL, they haven't been tested out yet. 

    He made a ton of dumb decisions this season. some actually went in the Chargers favor. 

    But why not just go for 2 when they scored with no time left in regulation? Why decide it on a coin toss? Analytics would say go for it. 

    He's not a great coach and is in way over his head. he needs to be at mid major college program or a coordinator. He ain't got it. 

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    Yes. But the timeout wasn't the backbreaker. Going for it on 4th down deep in his own zone and the other idiotic things he did this year.

    I'm a believer in analytics. They can be very useful but in football, especially the NFL, they haven't been tested out yet. 

    He made a ton of dumb decisions this season. some actually went in the Chargers favor. 

    But why not just go for 2 when they scored with no time left in regulation? Why decide it on a coin toss? Analytics would say go for it. 

    He's not a great coach and is in way over his head. he needs to be at mid major college program or a coordinator. He ain't got it. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:43 AM ET #10

    Raiders would've called time out they were gonna let it go down to 3 seconds so chargers called timeout to stop the clock simple as that.

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    Raiders would've called time out they were gonna let it go down to 3 seconds so chargers called timeout to stop the clock simple as that.

     
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    They lost because of that timeout. You could read the raiders coach lips, they were playing for the tie on the play before when raiders called the timeout. Raiders were never going to throw it. Staley is a bum. I can’t wait to see what he does next year. 

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    They lost because of that timeout. You could read the raiders coach lips, they were playing for the tie on the play before when raiders called the timeout. Raiders were never going to throw it. Staley is a bum. I can’t wait to see what he does next year. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha_Commish77:

    Yes. But the timeout wasn't the backbreaker. Going for it on 4th down deep in his own zone and the other idiotic things he did this year. I'm a believer in analytics. They can be very useful but in football, especially the NFL, they haven't been tested out yet.  He made a ton of dumb decisions this season. some actually went in the Chargers favor.  But why not just go for 2 when they scored with no time left in regulation? Why decide it on a coin toss? Analytics would say go for it.  He's not a great coach and is in way over his head. he needs to be at mid major college program or a coordinator. He ain't got it.

     

    You sound like you're losing faith in analytics!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha_Commish77:

    Yes. But the timeout wasn't the backbreaker. Going for it on 4th down deep in his own zone and the other idiotic things he did this year. I'm a believer in analytics. They can be very useful but in football, especially the NFL, they haven't been tested out yet.  He made a ton of dumb decisions this season. some actually went in the Chargers favor.  But why not just go for 2 when they scored with no time left in regulation? Why decide it on a coin toss? Analytics would say go for it.  He's not a great coach and is in way over his head. he needs to be at mid major college program or a coordinator. He ain't got it.

     

    You sound like you're losing faith in analytics!

     

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    I actually think the Raiders head coach was insulted when the Chargers called the time out and said ok were gonna try to win this bitch. I really believe they would have let the clock run out otherwise. Carr admitted as much in the post game interview. 

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    I actually think the Raiders head coach was insulted when the Chargers called the time out and said ok were gonna try to win this bitch. I really believe they would have let the clock run out otherwise. Carr admitted as much in the post game interview. 

     
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    Raiders were going to run the ball into the line and walk off.

    Such a high bar to pass, but he managed the worst call of the season in the last 30 seconds, John Harbaugh says "Thanks".

    There's no way Raiders were gonna kick a fg unless Staley made him run another play. You just took your own team out of the playoffs after an inspiring heroic comeback to get here. That call actually trumped the 2nd worst call of the year groing for 4th and 1 from your 18 yard line. Hard to eclipse but he pulled it off.

    cc is exactly correct, it was an insult and he made them pay. Raiders were in no hurry, one more fun into the line that game was over. That shock was up there with the Nick Chubb step out last year. Coaches are supposed to be smarter then the players.

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    Raiders were going to run the ball into the line and walk off.

    Such a high bar to pass, but he managed the worst call of the season in the last 30 seconds, John Harbaugh says "Thanks".

    There's no way Raiders were gonna kick a fg unless Staley made him run another play. You just took your own team out of the playoffs after an inspiring heroic comeback to get here. That call actually trumped the 2nd worst call of the year groing for 4th and 1 from your 18 yard line. Hard to eclipse but he pulled it off.

    cc is exactly correct, it was an insult and he made them pay. Raiders were in no hurry, one more fun into the line that game was over. That shock was up there with the Nick Chubb step out last year. Coaches are supposed to be smarter then the players.

    I had Chargers -3 & prop Chargers ML O52. Prop was $100, it was kinda worth the buck they lost.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 10:16 AM ET #15

    Raiders get a lot better seeding with the win ( 5 seed)  vs the tie ( 7 seed) .  Why would they settle?

     

     

     

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    Raiders get a lot better seeding with the win ( 5 seed)  vs the tie ( 7 seed) .  Why would they settle?

     

     

     

     
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    Can we all agree that Staley and the raiders intern coach both sck ball sacks?  And move on from it… thanks 

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    Can we all agree that Staley and the raiders intern coach both sck ball sacks?  And move on from it… thanks 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    Raiders get a lot better seeding with the win ( 5 seed)  vs the tie ( 7 seed) .  Why would they settle?
      Agree if the raiders wouldve just settled for a tie that wouldve been dumb. As a fan i can be honest and say we aint going into KC and getting a W. Cincy we have a chance. So if its true the timeout changed the raiders mindset then thank god because a tie wouldnt have been in the raiders best interest. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    Raiders get a lot better seeding with the win ( 5 seed)  vs the tie ( 7 seed) .  Why would they settle?
      Agree if the raiders wouldve just settled for a tie that wouldve been dumb. As a fan i can be honest and say we aint going into KC and getting a W. Cincy we have a chance. So if its true the timeout changed the raiders mindset then thank god because a tie wouldnt have been in the raiders best interest. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 11:21 AM ET #18

    Not to mention his brilliant 4th and 1 at their own 18 yard line.  How did this dude become a coach.  Idiot

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    Not to mention his brilliant 4th and 1 at their own 18 yard line.  How did this dude become a coach.  Idiot

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 11:55 AM ET #19

    @Bluejay50

     Coach should be fired for that. His team makes the playoffs if he didnt fuck that up.

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    @Bluejay50

     Coach should be fired for that. His team makes the playoffs if he didnt fuck that up.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 12:44 PM ET #20

    The man was content on just burning the clock. Timeout screwed the Chargers.

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    The man was content on just burning the clock. Timeout screwed the Chargers.

     
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    Holy fukk you guys need the stfu about this...the garbage that is being spewed shows the lack of any sort of logic or reasoning skills that is why the world is in the state of disrepair that it is.

     

    As I’ve said in many other threads it made perfect sense for the Chargers to call that timeout. The Raiders were not just going to let the clock run out...would they let it run DOWN, yes! But not out. The Raiders were going to kick a FG as time expired no matter what because they had an advantageous playoff matchup to gain, and nothing to lose (putting the risk of a blocked FG returned for TD at less than 1%). 

    The only way the Raiders were not going to kick that FG is if there was time on the clock and the risk that a missed or blocked FG would give the Chargers the ball, good field position and 30 seconds to work with. The Chargers needed a stop to force 4th down. That’s why they lost, not the god damn timeout, fukk it’s not rocket science.

     

    Chargers don’t take the timeout there’s a 90ish% chance they lose on a Raiders FG and maybe only 10% chance they get lucky with a miss and tie.

     

    With the timeout, if their atrocious defence could have gotten a stop, there’s probably an 80-90% chance the Raiders play safe and punt it guaranteeing the tie, and only 10-20% chance Raiders try the win and risk losing themselves.

     

    Chargers:

    NO TIMEOUT, 90% lose/10% tie.

    YES TIMEOUT, 10% lose/90% tie.

    What would you do?

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    Holy fukk you guys need the stfu about this...the garbage that is being spewed shows the lack of any sort of logic or reasoning skills that is why the world is in the state of disrepair that it is.

     

    As I’ve said in many other threads it made perfect sense for the Chargers to call that timeout. The Raiders were not just going to let the clock run out...would they let it run DOWN, yes! But not out. The Raiders were going to kick a FG as time expired no matter what because they had an advantageous playoff matchup to gain, and nothing to lose (putting the risk of a blocked FG returned for TD at less than 1%). 

    The only way the Raiders were not going to kick that FG is if there was time on the clock and the risk that a missed or blocked FG would give the Chargers the ball, good field position and 30 seconds to work with. The Chargers needed a stop to force 4th down. That’s why they lost, not the god damn timeout, fukk it’s not rocket science.

     

    Chargers don’t take the timeout there’s a 90ish% chance they lose on a Raiders FG and maybe only 10% chance they get lucky with a miss and tie.

     

    With the timeout, if their atrocious defence could have gotten a stop, there’s probably an 80-90% chance the Raiders play safe and punt it guaranteeing the tie, and only 10-20% chance Raiders try the win and risk losing themselves.

     

    Chargers:

    NO TIMEOUT, 90% lose/10% tie.

    YES TIMEOUT, 10% lose/90% tie.

    What would you do?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 1:05 PM ET #22

    Lets say Staley was playing it perfectly....  Just assume for a second...

    With 38 secs left he calls his first timeout because he realizes how important the third and 4 was at the 38 yard line, and he realized the Raiders were 100% going to run and he had a typical pass defense out there for a typical 3rd and 4.

    The key is stopping them.  If he stopped them - it would have been very interesting to see if he immediately called the SECOND timeout at about 30 seconds.  That was the one that would have mattered because then the Raiders wouldve been forced to either punt or try a long FG - which if missed wouldve given LA the ball on the 45.

    We will never know if he had all of this in mind.  But the first timeout would get a defense out there that would SET UP THE SECOND TIMEOUT AT 30 SECONDS.

     

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    Lets say Staley was playing it perfectly....  Just assume for a second...

    With 38 secs left he calls his first timeout because he realizes how important the third and 4 was at the 38 yard line, and he realized the Raiders were 100% going to run and he had a typical pass defense out there for a typical 3rd and 4.

    The key is stopping them.  If he stopped them - it would have been very interesting to see if he immediately called the SECOND timeout at about 30 seconds.  That was the one that would have mattered because then the Raiders wouldve been forced to either punt or try a long FG - which if missed wouldve given LA the ball on the 45.

    We will never know if he had all of this in mind.  But the first timeout would get a defense out there that would SET UP THE SECOND TIMEOUT AT 30 SECONDS.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 1:15 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    @Cavs2017Champs...Lakers will 3 peat

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    @Cavs2017Champs...Lakers will 3 peat

     

    real weird

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2022 - 1:29 PM ET #24

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     You should teach him how to sucessful in life. 

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    @Tha_Commish77

     You should teach him how to sucessful in life. 

     
     
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     That Lakers prediction was not mine, it was CavsChumps2017 and he stated multiple times he would leave covers if it didn't happen...he's a proven liar and loser...but also a proven fade and mush so it all evens out in the end for the Covers community peace_5

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     That Lakers prediction was not mine, it was CavsChumps2017 and he stated multiple times he would leave covers if it didn't happen...he's a proven liar and loser...but also a proven fade and mush so it all evens out in the end for the Covers community peace_5

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