Well...we both agree on SEC. I laugh when anyone says they're overrated and get too much respect.
They're NOT overrated and probably don't get ENOUGH respect.
Yeah, 6 straight BCS championships for the same conference won by 4 different teams is definitely worth of all the praise, attention, and respect.
A whole lot of jealous haters though.
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Whoever will win you less games so you can get a better QB in the draft.
News flash TEBOW IS NOT A ROOKIE
dgnerate-
He is a second year QB- period. Doesn't matter that he didn't start the whole season last year. No way can anyone call him a rookie because that is not true. In the nfl, rookie means first year in the league, not the first year you play and get experiance
One thing i haven't seen anyone bring up yet(i haven't read every page of this thread either) is that if Tebow keeps playing badly for 3 quarters on a consistant basis and then picks it up in the fourth quarter- this will wear the team down mentally- the defense will get tired of always bailing out the offense- not scoring many points game in and game out wears a team down - yes brad johnson and trent dilfer won super bowls by just "managing" the team and not turning the ball over but they both had relatively short careers and nobody ever thought of either one of them as "great" qb's- Now Tebow may or may not improve- Given his work ethic i would think he will improve- how much is anyone's guess as he has always had such an unconventional throwning motion- I am not saying he sucks - but i get tired of hearing everyone seemingly kissing his ass and making him out to be the next great QB- He has started less than one full season so i think saying he sucks or saying how great he is, is pointless right now- Right now as a QB he is below average but his leadership skills and his competitiveness are above average- How this will play out in the longrun remains to be seen- something tells me that all that running around will lead to injuries sooner or later even though he is a big guy-
Good points, and you're right that to make a statement right now is too soon. I love his winning attitude/charisma he seems to possess. One thing I think this team has definitely done (players and coaches) is bought into his never give up style and there is alot to be said about what chemistry can do for a team's performance. If you think you're beat then you're beat, but if you think you can win you never know what will happen if you keep pressing forward. I think he has made it a fun debate, which to me says, he must be doing something right.
By giving all of John Skelton's bad stats and INT's it shows that it is possible for a really bad team to turn their season around and win almost every game (coming from behind in the 4th quarter of almost every game) with a bad QB.
Even with all the turnovers they still come from behind in the 4th quarter and win the game.
If it was Tim Tebow you would say you can not expect him to play that well he is only in his 2nd season and has started less then 12 game in the NFL. He finds a way to win. Also you would look at his last 2 games and say he is getting better.
dgnerate-
He is a second year QB- period. Doesn't matter that he didn't start the whole season last year. No way can anyone call him a rookie because that is not true. In the nfl, rookie means first year in the league, not the first year you play and get experiance
One thing i haven't seen anyone bring up yet(i haven't read every page of this thread either) is that if Tebow keeps playing badly for 3 quarters on a consistant basis and then picks it up in the fourth quarter- this will wear the team down mentally- the defense will get tired of always bailing out the offense- not scoring many points game in and game out wears a team down - yes brad johnson and trent dilfer won super bowls by just "managing" the team and not turning the ball over but they both had relatively short careers and nobody ever thought of either one of them as "great" qb's- Now Tebow may or may not improve- Given his work ethic i would think he will improve- how much is anyone's guess as he has always had such an unconventional throwning motion- I am not saying he sucks - but i get tired of hearing everyone seemingly kissing his ass and making him out to be the next great QB- He has started less than one full season so i think saying he sucks or saying how great he is, is pointless right now- Right now as a QB he is below average but his leadership skills and his competitiveness are above average- How this will play out in the longrun remains to be seen- something tells me that all that running around will lead to injuries sooner or later even though he is a big guy-
I agree about the Denver defense being overhyped. While they have improved they are still the 22nd ranked defense in the NFL this season and some people are acting like they are the 2000 Ravens.
That's not fair. Where do they rank since being healthy? Anyone who watches games knows how important they have been.
Or...maybe you ARE right...and we go back to the fact that the Broncos have faced such shitty offenses that it's not hard for Tebow to win these games.
And nobody is comparing them to the Ravens' 2000 defense. If they were that good...I'd be eating crow at season's end because he would win the Superbowl. Because THAT defense could make Brady, Rodgers and Brees look like Tebow throwing the ball.
That's not fair. Where do they rank since being healthy? Anyone who watches games knows how important they have been.
Or...maybe you ARE right...and we go back to the fact that the Broncos have faced such shitty offenses that it's not hard for Tebow to win these games.
And nobody is comparing them to the Ravens' 2000 defense. If they were that good...I'd be eating crow at season's end because he would win the Superbowl. Because THAT defense could make Brady, Rodgers and Brees look like Tebow throwing the ball.
Every defense faces injuries and few are ever healthy all season. If you are going to amend the Broncos defensive stats to reflect only when they are healthy then you must do the same for all the other defenses as well. In which case the Broncos would still probably be the 20th – 25th ranked defense.
It’s hard to call a defense good or even great when they aren’t even in the top half of the league.
And you are dead wrong about no one comparing them to the 2000 Ravens. On more than one occasion I’ve seen Tebow haters on this site do just that.
Of course I haven’t seen that since they gave up over 450 yards to the pats.
Every defense faces injuries and few are ever healthy all season. If you are going to amend the Broncos defensive stats to reflect only when they are healthy then you must do the same for all the other defenses as well. In which case the Broncos would still probably be the 20th – 25th ranked defense.
It’s hard to call a defense good or even great when they aren’t even in the top half of the league.
And you are dead wrong about no one comparing them to the 2000 Ravens. On more than one occasion I’ve seen Tebow haters on this site do just that.
Of course I haven’t seen that since they gave up over 450 yards to the pats.
Show us where someone compared Denvers defense to the 2000 Ravens defense.
It should be easy you said the haters have done it on more than one occasion.Or were you speaking hypothetically again?
Show us where someone compared Denvers defense to the 2000 Ravens defense. It should be easy you said the haters have done it on more than one occasion.Or were you speaking hypothetically again?
I have better things to do with my time than search through the 3,000+ posts made about Tim Tebow and/or the Broncos on this site to find a couple of posts.
But feel free to do so yourself. Of course that’s assuming you can take a break from ranting about nonexistent football leagues and how “the Broncos won because Brady didn’t get another rushing TD.”
I have better things to do with my time than search through the 3,000+ posts made about Tim Tebow and/or the Broncos on this site to find a couple of posts.
But feel free to do so yourself. Of course that’s assuming you can take a break from ranting about nonexistent football leagues and how “the Broncos won because Brady didn’t get another rushing TD
Your no different than a Tebow hater you have an excuse for everything! It makes me want Tebow to fail even more with guys like you! Tebow could lose 10 straight games and you would still have an excuse.
I know they don't respond to the John Skelton answer, but yet they keep asking the question. They think Tebow is the only person that could do what he has done.
Did you know John Skelton has the 2nd highest winning % in the NFL this season ? Only Aaron Rodgers has a higher winning %.
Of course you will not hear about it this week. Some people thought that this meant something last week.
I read page 1 of this conversation and then jumped to pages 63 and 64. It's really really sad how affected so many of you are by the media. The hype gets you so blinded into saying and seeing things as if they are black and white.
Tebow loses to the Pats and the haters say, "SEE! Tebow sucks."
The Pats win 41-23 and the lovers say, "Well, excuse excuse excuse."
IT'S PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYED BY PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES!
Good teams lose. Bad teams lose. And both good and bad teams can win too! Good players have bad games. Bad players have bad games and the same for both in having good games.
Here's my point...Aaron Rodgers and crew just lost to the Chiefs. THE CHIEFS! While chasing an undefeated season. Where is all the "Aaron Rodgers sucks!" talk? It's ok for Rodgers to have a bad game but not Tebow? Let Timmy T play a couple years and then let's evaluate his QB skills and success.
I'm sick of hearing people say, "Tebow has only beaten bad teams" or "He only beat the Bears because there was no Forte or Cutler." IT'S TEBOW VS BEARS DEFENSE! NOT VERSUS CUTLER AND FORTE!
And if he has 7 wins against "bad teams"...then why aren't you going to some thread about those teams and putting them down? It's just sickening to see WEAK MINDED people let the media tell them how to feel.
Tebow is just another player in the NFL who is doing something pretty amazing to watch. Things like this have happened before. He has a lot of work to do with passing but if you're one of those IDIOTS who knows one phrase, "he sucks" then realize that that goes for a decent amount of other QB's in the leagues. According to your narrow tunnel vision of hate, Gabbert, Sanchez, Ponder, Orton, Moore, McCoy, Skelton, Painter and more all suck. If you agree, then go spend your time evenly hating them too. Not just Tebow
I read page 1 of this conversation and then jumped to pages 63 and 64. It's really really sad how affected so many of you are by the media. The hype gets you so blinded into saying and seeing things as if they are black and white.
Tebow loses to the Pats and the haters say, "SEE! Tebow sucks."
The Pats win 41-23 and the lovers say, "Well, excuse excuse excuse."
IT'S PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYED BY PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES!
Good teams lose. Bad teams lose. And both good and bad teams can win too! Good players have bad games. Bad players have bad games and the same for both in having good games.
Here's my point...Aaron Rodgers and crew just lost to the Chiefs. THE CHIEFS! While chasing an undefeated season. Where is all the "Aaron Rodgers sucks!" talk? It's ok for Rodgers to have a bad game but not Tebow? Let Timmy T play a couple years and then let's evaluate his QB skills and success.
I'm sick of hearing people say, "Tebow has only beaten bad teams" or "He only beat the Bears because there was no Forte or Cutler." IT'S TEBOW VS BEARS DEFENSE! NOT VERSUS CUTLER AND FORTE!
And if he has 7 wins against "bad teams"...then why aren't you going to some thread about those teams and putting them down? It's just sickening to see WEAK MINDED people let the media tell them how to feel.
Tebow is just another player in the NFL who is doing something pretty amazing to watch. Things like this have happened before. He has a lot of work to do with passing but if you're one of those IDIOTS who knows one phrase, "he sucks" then realize that that goes for a decent amount of other QB's in the leagues. According to your narrow tunnel vision of hate, Gabbert, Sanchez, Ponder, Orton, Moore, McCoy, Skelton, Painter and more all suck. If you agree, then go spend your time evenly hating them too. Not just Tebow
I read page 1 of this conversation and then jumped to pages 63 and 64. It's really really sad how affected so many of you are by the media. The hype gets you so blinded into saying and seeing things as if they are black and white.
Tebow loses to the Pats and the haters say, "SEE! Tebow sucks."
The Pats win 41-23 and the lovers say, "Well, excuse excuse excuse."
IT'S PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYED BY PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES!
Good teams lose. Bad teams lose. And both good and bad teams can win too! Good players have bad games. Bad players have bad games and the same for both in having good games.
Here's my point...Aaron Rodgers and crew just lost to the Chiefs. THE CHIEFS! While chasing an undefeated season. Where is all the "Aaron Rodgers sucks!" talk? It's ok for Rodgers to have a bad game but not Tebow? Let Timmy T play a couple years and then let's evaluate his QB skills and success.
I'm sick of hearing people say, "Tebow has only beaten bad teams" or "He only beat the Bears because there was no Forte or Cutler." IT'S TEBOW VS BEARS DEFENSE! NOT VERSUS CUTLER AND FORTE!
And if he has 7 wins against "bad teams"...then why aren't you going to some thread about those teams and putting them down? It's just sickening to see WEAK MINDED people let the media tell them how to feel.
Tebow is just another player in the NFL who is doing something pretty amazing to watch. Things like this have happened before. He has a lot of work to do with passing but if you're one of those IDIOTS who knows one phrase, "he sucks" then realize that that goes for a decent amount of other QB's in the leagues. According to your narrow tunnel vision of hate, Gabbert, Sanchez, Ponder, Orton, Moore, McCoy, Skelton, Painter and more all suck. If you agree, then go spend your time evenly hating them too. Not just Tebow
Why would anyone say something bad about Rodgers? Yes...everyone loses...but he's proven that he can win and has the stats to back it up, as well as break records every week. It's not the fact that Tebow had a bad game and lost to the Patriots. It's that he has a bad game just about every game, yet everyone makes it out to be as if he demolished every team he's played from start to finish when that's FAR from the truth.
And yes...Tebow did face the Bears defense. And did you see how he played against them? He was absolutely terrible. And if Cutler and Forte were playing...he would be on a 2 game losing streak right now. He may not be going head to head against Cutler and Forte...but to say the outcome would have been the same with those 2 playing means you clearly didn't follow the Bears before their injuries.
You say the people putting Tebow down are "weak minded" by letting the "media tell them how to feel". I don't know what shows you're watching of late...but all the media has told ME is that Tebow is absolutely amazing. It was very nice this week to watch all the highlights in full...without having to hear how great Tebow is in between every one of them.
And you're right...all those other QB's suck too. But you know why I didn't make a thread about them? Because I didn't see 10+ threads talking about how great they were after they scored 1 TD in a game. Where ARE the Skelton threads talking about how much of a "winner" he is? I don't think he's good. I've watched his games too. Beanie Wells, the defense and Pattrick Peterson on special teams are carrying the Cardinals right now...not Skelton. He's just taking the snaps. I just pose the rhetorical questions of "why aren't you praising Skelton for winning" because I want to find the hypocrites around here.
And the reason why I didn't comment on your post originally is because, as you said, you read page 1 then skipped to page 64-65. What I told you right now I've said before (if not multiple times already). But since it's such a hot thread...I figured I'd respond.
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