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    SharpShooter8
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2016 - 1:53 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    I've looked these two games up and down. We have 4 really freakin good football teams here. They've been the 4 best all season IMO. These should be tight, tough games that go down to the wire. I can make good cases for both favs, but I still slightly lean both dogs. 3.5 would make me lean them a lot more than 3. BUT....

    ...Instead of hoping for a 3.5, I'm just going to tease both dogs to 10. I don't really see any scenario - other than Manning/Palmer throwing multiple picks -  where there is a blowout in either game. I think with the quality of teams we have that close games are almost guaranteed. 

    Denver has gone 16-1 against a +10 line this year. Lone loss was Manning's worst game of his career. 

    Arizona has gone 15-2 against a +10 line this year. And one of those was the W17 game where they called it quits early on.

    I like those odds. 

    Not going to bother sweating for a 3.5. Hitting the Denver +10/Arizona +10 tease for a standard unit and I'm going to sit back and watch what should be two great football games. 



    Great idea. I would be real surprised on blowouts in either game. Good luck to you Andy! 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    I've looked these two games up and down. We have 4 really freakin good football teams here. They've been the 4 best all season IMO. These should be tight, tough games that go down to the wire. I can make good cases for both favs, but I still slightly lean both dogs. 3.5 would make me lean them a lot more than 3. BUT....

    ...Instead of hoping for a 3.5, I'm just going to tease both dogs to 10. I don't really see any scenario - other than Manning/Palmer throwing multiple picks -  where there is a blowout in either game. I think with the quality of teams we have that close games are almost guaranteed. 

    Denver has gone 16-1 against a +10 line this year. Lone loss was Manning's worst game of his career. 

    Arizona has gone 15-2 against a +10 line this year. And one of those was the W17 game where they called it quits early on.

    I like those odds. 

    Not going to bother sweating for a 3.5. Hitting the Denver +10/Arizona +10 tease for a standard unit and I'm going to sit back and watch what should be two great football games. 



    Great idea. I would be real surprised on blowouts in either game. Good luck to you Andy! 

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2016 - 3:06 PM ET #27

    I heard something very interesting.  Crediting Bellicheck
    He will force Manning to throw the "out and down and protect the. middle".....my first reaction was..

    Gee,  IF Bill is successful?, he will be giving away the KEYS to beating his team...because that is about ALL the PATS do....short quick passes in side the Hash marks less than 15 yards. they can't run the ball or choose not to? 31st int the league....

    I think with Manning's foot healthy, at home..not in Boston, the Offensive line struggles earlier are gone as evidenced by the Denver offense the last 3 reg. season games Avg 405 yards, and 144 rushing yards...While NE Def rushing yards have gone in reverse season avg 104 versus 144 last 3 games.

    Bellicheck better be genius because he is on the road a mile high against a better team......A first team QB..# 2 tot Defense, #2 rushing & # 2 Passing defense. I suspect the best Dink & dunk offense scores more.  I lean to ward Manning because that foot injury and weak O'line early season, made him look really bad. Versus Pittsburgh ( my fav team) he looked sharp, the drops beat them in 1st half. Also due to Manning's audibiles, Pat's defense will be in wrong coverage most of day!!!
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    I heard something very interesting.  Crediting Bellicheck
    He will force Manning to throw the "out and down and protect the. middle".....my first reaction was..

    Gee,  IF Bill is successful?, he will be giving away the KEYS to beating his team...because that is about ALL the PATS do....short quick passes in side the Hash marks less than 15 yards. they can't run the ball or choose not to? 31st int the league....

    I think with Manning's foot healthy, at home..not in Boston, the Offensive line struggles earlier are gone as evidenced by the Denver offense the last 3 reg. season games Avg 405 yards, and 144 rushing yards...While NE Def rushing yards have gone in reverse season avg 104 versus 144 last 3 games.

    Bellicheck better be genius because he is on the road a mile high against a better team......A first team QB..# 2 tot Defense, #2 rushing & # 2 Passing defense. I suspect the best Dink & dunk offense scores more.  I lean to ward Manning because that foot injury and weak O'line early season, made him look really bad. Versus Pittsburgh ( my fav team) he looked sharp, the drops beat them in 1st half. Also due to Manning's audibiles, Pat's defense will be in wrong coverage most of day!!!
     
    earthWake
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2016 - 5:26 PM ET #28

    Could definitely see a Pats blowout, or easily a score like 28-13. Andarmac has a great stat against teams +10 but the Patriots have 6 wins by 10+ which is a lot.

    If the Pats come out strong against the run or the Denver defense is a little off this game it could easily happen. Manning has 1 TD pass at home in 6 games this year so I know what can be expected of him. Broncos D is the key to this game for sure. If they play lights out Broncos can win this game, if they don't I could easily see this game as a teaser buster.

    Could see a tight Broncos win or a NE blowout. Neither would surprise me in the least.

    just my opinion. 



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    Could definitely see a Pats blowout, or easily a score like 28-13. Andarmac has a great stat against teams +10 but the Patriots have 6 wins by 10+ which is a lot.

    If the Pats come out strong against the run or the Denver defense is a little off this game it could easily happen. Manning has 1 TD pass at home in 6 games this year so I know what can be expected of him. Broncos D is the key to this game for sure. If they play lights out Broncos can win this game, if they don't I could easily see this game as a teaser buster.

    Could see a tight Broncos win or a NE blowout. Neither would surprise me in the least.

    just my opinion. 



     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2016 - 6:04 PM ET #29

    Teasetrs
    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    S if you had the 10+ win teams +10 in every game this year vs teams that won 9 or fewer games you'd have gone 117-1.


    Carry on. I'm half in the bag.
    Teasers are so good  in the playoffs that some casinos won't take them, Ceasers for example.  GL I do think Carolina is going to win and win SB
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    Teasetrs
    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    S if you had the 10+ win teams +10 in every game this year vs teams that won 9 or fewer games you'd have gone 117-1.


    Carry on. I'm half in the bag.
    Teasers are so good  in the playoffs that some casinos won't take them, Ceasers for example.  GL I do think Carolina is going to win and win SB
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2016 - 6:25 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by roastedpeanuts:

    Teasers are so good  in the playoffs that some casinos won't take them, Ceasers for example.  GL I do think Carolina is going to win and win SB

    Yep. Good teams just don't get blown out.

    To add: The best teams play in the divisional round and later. If you teased every dog up 7 points on the line in the divisional round or later since 2010 (as far back as I've looked) you'd have 2 losses...in 39 games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roastedpeanuts:

    Teasers are so good  in the playoffs that some casinos won't take them, Ceasers for example.  GL I do think Carolina is going to win and win SB

    Yep. Good teams just don't get blown out.

    To add: The best teams play in the divisional round and later. If you teased every dog up 7 points on the line in the divisional round or later since 2010 (as far back as I've looked) you'd have 2 losses...in 39 games.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2016 - 12:07 AM ET #31

    GL bud
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    GL bud
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2016 - 5:53 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by tito40:

    supposed to be "domino mother f ucker"



    forgot we are at church here, so dumb

    DOMINO! 
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    Quote Originally Posted by tito40:

    supposed to be "domino mother f ucker"



    forgot we are at church here, so dumb

    DOMINO! 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2016 - 5:58 AM ET #33

    Andy, still a little under the weather. Blizzard is brewing pretty strong. Definitely gonna be shoveling a couple feet later this afternoon. Weather stlll shows it will be snowing through Sunday morning. Radar map looks to me like the bulk of the storm will be gone by noon TODAY. We shall see. 

    Everyone who has been popping and dropping knowledge. I appreciate and love it and keep it coming. I started to go from post to post and responding and going back and forth like I usually try to do in my weekly threads, but I just don't have it in me. 

    So this post here is a  to all. Especially the regulars who have been contributing all season. I appreciate every post, every bit of discussion, and best of luck to EVERYONE. 
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    Andy, still a little under the weather. Blizzard is brewing pretty strong. Definitely gonna be shoveling a couple feet later this afternoon. Weather stlll shows it will be snowing through Sunday morning. Radar map looks to me like the bulk of the storm will be gone by noon TODAY. We shall see. 

    Everyone who has been popping and dropping knowledge. I appreciate and love it and keep it coming. I started to go from post to post and responding and going back and forth like I usually try to do in my weekly threads, but I just don't have it in me. 

    So this post here is a  to all. Especially the regulars who have been contributing all season. I appreciate every post, every bit of discussion, and best of luck to EVERYONE. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2016 - 6:25 AM ET #34

    Now my thoughts on the games. First off, my book is playing the tinker game as they do in their attempt to sucker high juice from as many people as they can. I knew it was coming and at the least, I can say BetOnline is FAIR with their lines. I've yet to like a team -3 and ever been pinned in a -3 -125 line ever. They will tinker all week, but at some point(and these games seem no different), that -125 will come down. Or it will go to -3.5 +110. 

    Knowing that, I put in a pair of half unit plays. 

    - Denver +3 +100. Arizona +3 +100. In the case those lines pop to +3.5, I will put the other half unit on those. But in the case that 3 line sticks, and the juice goes to -110(which they are right now), I at least have 1/2 a unit at a better price. So no matter what, I'm rolling with Denver and Zona. For now 1/2 unit on both with no juice. Hopefully get the hook. 

    Okay Denver. First off, this line is off. I understand why it's off. Something like 55 million television sets watched Denver look awful on Sunday. 45 million TV sets saw Brady put on a clinic in looking impressive. I get why the line is what it is, even though IMO, Denver -1 or Denver -2.5 is what it really should be. So all the value lays on Denver +3 or if your book gave you 3.5. 

    I'm seeing a lot of talking heads talking about Denver's defense is impressive and all, but "boy, they had a tendency to really blow some coverages this weekend and give up 4-5 HUGE plays. And if Pitt could exploit the defense, you know NE will." I disagree with that 100%. 

    1, one of the big plays. I believe Ben was in the pocket. Fearless. Holding the ball. Sliding left and right with pressure everywhere. At one point, his 326 pound lineman was bull rushed and LAUNCHED into Big Ben. Any other QB in this league is sacked and squashed. Ben somehow absorbed that shot, and on top of the time he already had, rolled out of it buying more time, and found a guy wide open in the flat and it was a 40-50 yard catch and run. Another play was after run run running right, the defense over-persued, and Bryant hit them with a PERFECT reverse for another 45 yards. Bryant who runs a 4.27. 

    New England and Tom Brady does not run an offense to pull off either of these plays. Tom is underrated how he can hang in the pocket and gingerly step in or around pressure, but he's not in an offense like Pitt where Ben can really hang in there for 5-6 seconds and find a blown coverage opportunity like he did a few times last week. Brady gets the ball and its OUT. They also don't run the ball enough to set up a reverse like Pitt did with Bryant did, and if they did....sure Edelman is crafty with his legs. But he's not running at 4.27 and breaking 50 yard runs.  So I don't agree with the media perception that Denver is ripe to blow plays like that every week. If NE is gonna move the ball, it's gonna be quick precise passes, and getting Gronk in favorable spots for the occasional 20-30 yard seam or slant to him. 

    Also, I keep seeing that because Brady gets it out so quickly, it's impossible to sack him like KC learned. KC doesn't have close to the pass rush Denver can generate, and for a guy who can't be sacked, I believe I read that you have to go back to 2002 to find a year Brady was sacked more than 2015. So if Denver's pass D which is incredible can cover Brady's first couple quick reads, he's ripe to get eaten up by the Denver pass rush. He's not Russell or Cam or even Ben. He will go down 3-4 times over the course of the game. Pats have been one dimensional A LOT this season as well. We all know that like in the playoff game two years ago against Indy....that if the matchups are there like with Indy, they can and will run up a storm.....they aren't running on Denver IMO. 

    On the other side, it won't be pretty. Denver gonna struggle to run. Unless the pass game comes out looking like 2013 and opens up a run game, I don't see them running, and manning has generally been awful, but it's still manning. His curse in the past IMO is come big game....he's too smart for his own good at the line and he became the king of the audible 2 yard pass. Just run the offense, don't throw 3 picks, and I think that's enough for Denver to pull this game off at home catching points. 
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    Now my thoughts on the games. First off, my book is playing the tinker game as they do in their attempt to sucker high juice from as many people as they can. I knew it was coming and at the least, I can say BetOnline is FAIR with their lines. I've yet to like a team -3 and ever been pinned in a -3 -125 line ever. They will tinker all week, but at some point(and these games seem no different), that -125 will come down. Or it will go to -3.5 +110. 

    Knowing that, I put in a pair of half unit plays. 

    - Denver +3 +100. Arizona +3 +100. In the case those lines pop to +3.5, I will put the other half unit on those. But in the case that 3 line sticks, and the juice goes to -110(which they are right now), I at least have 1/2 a unit at a better price. So no matter what, I'm rolling with Denver and Zona. For now 1/2 unit on both with no juice. Hopefully get the hook. 

    Okay Denver. First off, this line is off. I understand why it's off. Something like 55 million television sets watched Denver look awful on Sunday. 45 million TV sets saw Brady put on a clinic in looking impressive. I get why the line is what it is, even though IMO, Denver -1 or Denver -2.5 is what it really should be. So all the value lays on Denver +3 or if your book gave you 3.5. 

    I'm seeing a lot of talking heads talking about Denver's defense is impressive and all, but "boy, they had a tendency to really blow some coverages this weekend and give up 4-5 HUGE plays. And if Pitt could exploit the defense, you know NE will." I disagree with that 100%. 

    1, one of the big plays. I believe Ben was in the pocket. Fearless. Holding the ball. Sliding left and right with pressure everywhere. At one point, his 326 pound lineman was bull rushed and LAUNCHED into Big Ben. Any other QB in this league is sacked and squashed. Ben somehow absorbed that shot, and on top of the time he already had, rolled out of it buying more time, and found a guy wide open in the flat and it was a 40-50 yard catch and run. Another play was after run run running right, the defense over-persued, and Bryant hit them with a PERFECT reverse for another 45 yards. Bryant who runs a 4.27. 

    New England and Tom Brady does not run an offense to pull off either of these plays. Tom is underrated how he can hang in the pocket and gingerly step in or around pressure, but he's not in an offense like Pitt where Ben can really hang in there for 5-6 seconds and find a blown coverage opportunity like he did a few times last week. Brady gets the ball and its OUT. They also don't run the ball enough to set up a reverse like Pitt did with Bryant did, and if they did....sure Edelman is crafty with his legs. But he's not running at 4.27 and breaking 50 yard runs.  So I don't agree with the media perception that Denver is ripe to blow plays like that every week. If NE is gonna move the ball, it's gonna be quick precise passes, and getting Gronk in favorable spots for the occasional 20-30 yard seam or slant to him. 

    Also, I keep seeing that because Brady gets it out so quickly, it's impossible to sack him like KC learned. KC doesn't have close to the pass rush Denver can generate, and for a guy who can't be sacked, I believe I read that you have to go back to 2002 to find a year Brady was sacked more than 2015. So if Denver's pass D which is incredible can cover Brady's first couple quick reads, he's ripe to get eaten up by the Denver pass rush. He's not Russell or Cam or even Ben. He will go down 3-4 times over the course of the game. Pats have been one dimensional A LOT this season as well. We all know that like in the playoff game two years ago against Indy....that if the matchups are there like with Indy, they can and will run up a storm.....they aren't running on Denver IMO. 

    On the other side, it won't be pretty. Denver gonna struggle to run. Unless the pass game comes out looking like 2013 and opens up a run game, I don't see them running, and manning has generally been awful, but it's still manning. His curse in the past IMO is come big game....he's too smart for his own good at the line and he became the king of the audible 2 yard pass. Just run the offense, don't throw 3 picks, and I think that's enough for Denver to pull this game off at home catching points. 
     
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    Arizona game....if this is a week 8 matchup of a 6-1 and 7-0 team....it's a no bet and I sit back and enjoy it. They are the two best teams the NFC has to offer(u can argue Seattle right there with them) and it's a fitting matchup. 

    The reason I'm taking a shot with Zona +3 is the injuries in the Carolina secondary. I believe Andarmac broke down the details, so not gonna prattle on. The bottom line is the strong secondary play all season from a squad who was always healthy.....their play was the reason the rest of the defense was free to fly around and create havoc. Now you got Josh Norman and their #4 and #5 guys out there. Experimenting for the first time out there in the biggest game of the year. Gonna be a crapshoot, and Arizona sports a passing offense with weapons everywhere. From Fitz to Brown to Floyd to guys coming out of the backfield. All being fed from an intelligent and veteran QB who will get the ball where it's gotta be. Arizona will put up points on this defense. 

    On the other side, Zona's defense isn't too shabby. They aren't gonna gonna Carolina pile up points, and they should be good enough to win a 27-23 kind of game. 
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    Arizona game....if this is a week 8 matchup of a 6-1 and 7-0 team....it's a no bet and I sit back and enjoy it. They are the two best teams the NFC has to offer(u can argue Seattle right there with them) and it's a fitting matchup. 

    The reason I'm taking a shot with Zona +3 is the injuries in the Carolina secondary. I believe Andarmac broke down the details, so not gonna prattle on. The bottom line is the strong secondary play all season from a squad who was always healthy.....their play was the reason the rest of the defense was free to fly around and create havoc. Now you got Josh Norman and their #4 and #5 guys out there. Experimenting for the first time out there in the biggest game of the year. Gonna be a crapshoot, and Arizona sports a passing offense with weapons everywhere. From Fitz to Brown to Floyd to guys coming out of the backfield. All being fed from an intelligent and veteran QB who will get the ball where it's gotta be. Arizona will put up points on this defense. 

    On the other side, Zona's defense isn't too shabby. They aren't gonna gonna Carolina pile up points, and they should be good enough to win a 27-23 kind of game. 
     
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    Really looking forward to these games! I have a week vacation from work, so no work until February. My step-kid just flew in from Indiana for the first time since she moved last summer, so she's gonna hang at my house a few days once this snow blows over. Two great football games smack in the middle of it all. I have three 100mg THC gummy bears to play with the next week or so. Fever, vomitung, and diarrhea is in the rear view mirror. 

    Life is good!!!
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    Really looking forward to these games! I have a week vacation from work, so no work until February. My step-kid just flew in from Indiana for the first time since she moved last summer, so she's gonna hang at my house a few days once this snow blows over. Two great football games smack in the middle of it all. I have three 100mg THC gummy bears to play with the next week or so. Fever, vomitung, and diarrhea is in the rear view mirror. 

    Life is good!!!
     
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    Glyde--hope u rebound F-A-S-T!

    Tough games to cap for so many reasons and do not have time to leave even short write-ups but I have logged in my time this week and here are my plays:

    (11-5 ATS/totals) +23 units so far this playoffs    * =UNITS

    NE-3 (buy to 2.5) 5*
    UNDER 44.5  3*

    NE 27-16


    AZ +3.5   4*  (SIA AND BOVADA) (buy up to 4 if price is short)
    OVER 46.5    7*
    AZ ML 2*

    AZ 27-24


    GET BETTER MAN! (If you don't at least you will have monopoly on all the cheese and veggie dips this Sunday)
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    Glyde--hope u rebound F-A-S-T!

    Tough games to cap for so many reasons and do not have time to leave even short write-ups but I have logged in my time this week and here are my plays:

    (11-5 ATS/totals) +23 units so far this playoffs    * =UNITS

    NE-3 (buy to 2.5) 5*
    UNDER 44.5  3*

    NE 27-16


    AZ +3.5   4*  (SIA AND BOVADA) (buy up to 4 if price is short)
    OVER 46.5    7*
    AZ ML 2*

    AZ 27-24


    GET BETTER MAN! (If you don't at least you will have monopoly on all the cheese and veggie dips this Sunday)
     
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    Best of luck, Glyde bud! 
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    Best of luck, Glyde bud! 
     
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    GREAT stuff bro. Outstanding read. 

    Really agree with your analysis on the Denver pass rush. Hali was banged up for weeks for KC and Houston played about 10 snaps last week. In no way was KC's pass rush in top shape. Denver's is, and I think more importantly they rush a different style. Wolfe and Jackson are great from the interior (Jackson 5 sacks this year and Wolfe 5.5 in his last 6 games) and Wade often has Von Miller runstunts behind those guys on the inside. That's very different from how KC rushes off the edge. And Brady HATES pressure up the gut more than any QB. 

    I also think this is where NE's inability to run catches up with them. Denver can devote extra guys to coverage and/or the rush knowing NE's gamplan is probably to throw 50 times. I wouldn't be shocked if Denver forces some TO. The more you throw on a good pass rush and CB the higher the risk for mistakes. 

    One other point is that even though NE has been good against the run this season, I think Denver would be wise to continue with their run offense that they've had of late. Good run teams like Denver that average 4.2 YPC or more have only averaged 4.1 YPC vs NE this year BUT those teams have been very successful at one thing: Keeping Brady off the field. Those opponents have only lost time of possession twice in 11 games to NE and they've also run over 6 more plays per game than the Pats. That matters in this game. If Denver runs for 4 YPC it may not look efficient but to me it is. Get into 3rd and 3 and give Manning those short throws. Keep with the run and run more plays than NE. Win TOP and keep Brady on the sideline and let your defense get rest. The numbers suggest that Denver should win TOP and run more plays based on what good run teams have done to NE this year. That's a big plus. This isn't a situation where McCarthy calls dumb line plunges for Eddie Lacy that go nowhere. McCarthy has Rodgers and he can sling it. He should use him instead of wasting plays on inefficient runs. Here though Manning is no Rodgers. Run plays for 4 yards here are GREAT plays. Run Hillman and Anderson into the ground and set up those 3rd and shorts and you are going to be in good shape. Manning said after the game last week that the run game and D are carrying him. He knows his chance to win is to continue to call the right run plays, keep Brady off the field, and rest his pass rushers. That should be the gameplan and that's one that I believe will win.

    BOL gents.
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    GREAT stuff bro. Outstanding read. 

    Really agree with your analysis on the Denver pass rush. Hali was banged up for weeks for KC and Houston played about 10 snaps last week. In no way was KC's pass rush in top shape. Denver's is, and I think more importantly they rush a different style. Wolfe and Jackson are great from the interior (Jackson 5 sacks this year and Wolfe 5.5 in his last 6 games) and Wade often has Von Miller runstunts behind those guys on the inside. That's very different from how KC rushes off the edge. And Brady HATES pressure up the gut more than any QB. 

    I also think this is where NE's inability to run catches up with them. Denver can devote extra guys to coverage and/or the rush knowing NE's gamplan is probably to throw 50 times. I wouldn't be shocked if Denver forces some TO. The more you throw on a good pass rush and CB the higher the risk for mistakes. 

    One other point is that even though NE has been good against the run this season, I think Denver would be wise to continue with their run offense that they've had of late. Good run teams like Denver that average 4.2 YPC or more have only averaged 4.1 YPC vs NE this year BUT those teams have been very successful at one thing: Keeping Brady off the field. Those opponents have only lost time of possession twice in 11 games to NE and they've also run over 6 more plays per game than the Pats. That matters in this game. If Denver runs for 4 YPC it may not look efficient but to me it is. Get into 3rd and 3 and give Manning those short throws. Keep with the run and run more plays than NE. Win TOP and keep Brady on the sideline and let your defense get rest. The numbers suggest that Denver should win TOP and run more plays based on what good run teams have done to NE this year. That's a big plus. This isn't a situation where McCarthy calls dumb line plunges for Eddie Lacy that go nowhere. McCarthy has Rodgers and he can sling it. He should use him instead of wasting plays on inefficient runs. Here though Manning is no Rodgers. Run plays for 4 yards here are GREAT plays. Run Hillman and Anderson into the ground and set up those 3rd and shorts and you are going to be in good shape. Manning said after the game last week that the run game and D are carrying him. He knows his chance to win is to continue to call the right run plays, keep Brady off the field, and rest his pass rushers. That should be the gameplan and that's one that I believe will win.

    BOL gents.
     
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    BOL all ...pumped for tomorrow.

    On Denver +3.5 -110 pretty big and the ML.

    Also taking a shot with denML/zona ML parlay.  Both are +140 so its paying ~+500 if i recall.  Lets get it!
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    BOL all ...pumped for tomorrow.

    On Denver +3.5 -110 pretty big and the ML.

    Also taking a shot with denML/zona ML parlay.  Both are +140 so its paying ~+500 if i recall.  Lets get it!
     
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    Glyde good read. Wish you the best, may the better team in in NE/DEN.
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    Glyde good read. Wish you the best, may the better team in in NE/DEN.
     
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    Good Luck,
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    Caro -3
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    Good Luck,
    NE -3
    Caro -3
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    Could definitely see a Pats blowout, or easily a score like 28-13. Andarmac has a great stat against teams +10 but the Patriots have 6 wins by 10+ which is a lot.

    If the Pats come out strong against the run or the Denver defense is a little off this game it could easily happen. Manning has 1 TD pass at home in 6 games this year so I know what can be expected of him. Broncos D is the key to this game for sure. If they play lights out Broncos can win this game, if they don't I could easily see this game as a teaser buster.

    Could see a tight Broncos win or a NE blowout. Neither would surprise me in the least.

    just my opinion. 



     This is the playoffs .....not the regular season ... Go ahead use those stats , if you think they help ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    Could definitely see a Pats blowout, or easily a score like 28-13. Andarmac has a great stat against teams +10 but the Patriots have 6 wins by 10+ which is a lot.

    If the Pats come out strong against the run or the Denver defense is a little off this game it could easily happen. Manning has 1 TD pass at home in 6 games this year so I know what can be expected of him. Broncos D is the key to this game for sure. If they play lights out Broncos can win this game, if they don't I could easily see this game as a teaser buster.

    Could see a tight Broncos win or a NE blowout. Neither would surprise me in the least.

    just my opinion. 



     This is the playoffs .....not the regular season ... Go ahead use those stats , if you think they help ....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    GREAT stuff bro. Outstanding read. 

    Really agree with your analysis on the Denver pass rush. Hali was banged up for weeks for KC and Houston played about 10 snaps last week. In no way was KC's pass rush in top shape. Denver's is, and I think more importantly they rush a different style. Wolfe and Jackson are great from the interior (Jackson 5 sacks this year and Wolfe 5.5 in his last 6 games) and Wade often has Von Miller runstunts behind those guys on the inside. That's very different from how KC rushes off the edge. And Brady HATES pressure up the gut more than any QB. 

    I also think this is where NE's inability to run catches up with them. Denver can devote extra guys to coverage and/or the rush knowing NE's gamplan is probably to throw 50 times. I wouldn't be shocked if Denver forces some TO. The more you throw on a good pass rush and CB the higher the risk for mistakes. 

    One other point is that even though NE has been good against the run this season, I think Denver would be wise to continue with their run offense that they've had of late. Good run teams like Denver that average 4.2 YPC or more have only averaged 4.1 YPC vs NE this year BUT those teams have been very successful at one thing: Keeping Brady off the field. Those opponents have only lost time of possession twice in 11 games to NE and they've also run over 6 more plays per game than the Pats. That matters in this game. If Denver runs for 4 YPC it may not look efficient but to me it is. Get into 3rd and 3 and give Manning those short throws. Keep with the run and run more plays than NE. Win TOP and keep Brady on the sideline and let your defense get rest. The numbers suggest that Denver should win TOP and run more plays based on what good run teams have done to NE this year. That's a big plus. This isn't a situation where McCarthy calls dumb line plunges for Eddie Lacy that go nowhere. McCarthy has Rodgers and he can sling it. He should use him instead of wasting plays on inefficient runs. Here though Manning is no Rodgers. Run plays for 4 yards here are GREAT plays. Run Hillman and Anderson into the ground and set up those 3rd and shorts and you are going to be in good shape. Manning said after the game last week that the run game and D are carrying him. He knows his chance to win is to continue to call the right run plays, keep Brady off the field, and rest his pass rushers. That should be the gameplan and that's one that I believe will win.

    BOL gents.

    Short passing game of NE will nullify that pass rush ... Easy fix ... Having Brady at the Helm does not hurt ... Good Luck ... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    GREAT stuff bro. Outstanding read. 

    Really agree with your analysis on the Denver pass rush. Hali was banged up for weeks for KC and Houston played about 10 snaps last week. In no way was KC's pass rush in top shape. Denver's is, and I think more importantly they rush a different style. Wolfe and Jackson are great from the interior (Jackson 5 sacks this year and Wolfe 5.5 in his last 6 games) and Wade often has Von Miller runstunts behind those guys on the inside. That's very different from how KC rushes off the edge. And Brady HATES pressure up the gut more than any QB. 

    I also think this is where NE's inability to run catches up with them. Denver can devote extra guys to coverage and/or the rush knowing NE's gamplan is probably to throw 50 times. I wouldn't be shocked if Denver forces some TO. The more you throw on a good pass rush and CB the higher the risk for mistakes. 

    One other point is that even though NE has been good against the run this season, I think Denver would be wise to continue with their run offense that they've had of late. Good run teams like Denver that average 4.2 YPC or more have only averaged 4.1 YPC vs NE this year BUT those teams have been very successful at one thing: Keeping Brady off the field. Those opponents have only lost time of possession twice in 11 games to NE and they've also run over 6 more plays per game than the Pats. That matters in this game. If Denver runs for 4 YPC it may not look efficient but to me it is. Get into 3rd and 3 and give Manning those short throws. Keep with the run and run more plays than NE. Win TOP and keep Brady on the sideline and let your defense get rest. The numbers suggest that Denver should win TOP and run more plays based on what good run teams have done to NE this year. That's a big plus. This isn't a situation where McCarthy calls dumb line plunges for Eddie Lacy that go nowhere. McCarthy has Rodgers and he can sling it. He should use him instead of wasting plays on inefficient runs. Here though Manning is no Rodgers. Run plays for 4 yards here are GREAT plays. Run Hillman and Anderson into the ground and set up those 3rd and shorts and you are going to be in good shape. Manning said after the game last week that the run game and D are carrying him. He knows his chance to win is to continue to call the right run plays, keep Brady off the field, and rest his pass rushers. That should be the gameplan and that's one that I believe will win.

    BOL gents.

    Short passing game of NE will nullify that pass rush ... Easy fix ... Having Brady at the Helm does not hurt ... Good Luck ... 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

     

    But.........Something just seems a little off. Not sure what yet. Need to dig into it. I've watched Carolina more than any team this year. They are really bleeping good. Their one weakness is letting off the gas. They've done it 2-3 times this season. But they are monsters at almost every position. Hands down the most physical team in the league. Palmer, with a bad, taped up finger, with a dome team on a cold night on a wet, ugly field vs this front 7 just seems like a shaky proposition. They won in spite of him last week.



    Should have trusted my gut here. Carolina has been my fav team all year. PISSED I jumped off the wagon.


    We can spend all week talking about buy low/sell high, nowhere to go for CAR but down, playoff experience, every Joe being on CAR, blah, blah, blah.

    They are going to eviscerate the Broncos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

     

    But.........Something just seems a little off. Not sure what yet. Need to dig into it. I've watched Carolina more than any team this year. They are really bleeping good. Their one weakness is letting off the gas. They've done it 2-3 times this season. But they are monsters at almost every position. Hands down the most physical team in the league. Palmer, with a bad, taped up finger, with a dome team on a cold night on a wet, ugly field vs this front 7 just seems like a shaky proposition. They won in spite of him last week.



    Should have trusted my gut here. Carolina has been my fav team all year. PISSED I jumped off the wagon.


    We can spend all week talking about buy low/sell high, nowhere to go for CAR but down, playoff experience, every Joe being on CAR, blah, blah, blah.

    They are going to eviscerate the Broncos.
     
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    Arizona just wasn't that good of a team, they have a nice formula that worked, blitz and aggressively go after tendencies , get a lead, create turnovers, make teams one dimensional on offense, blitz some more, pour it on offensively.  Makes them look better than they really are.  How do you gameplan for this type of defense a lot of misdirection.  Carson Palmer turning the ball over all those times in flats the score.  I do think Carolina is a very solid team and I have supported them a lot this year and had them very large vs bogus Arizona,  Denver D is a different animal, the blitz is very calculated, they hit Brady today 23x...his previous season high getting hit had been 12x.  That is amazing considering how fast Brady gets rid of the Ball.  Carolina D does have some holes in it.  With two weeks to prepare my initial lean will be on Denver and probably under.  Just a stat I just saw teams that win by 30 or more in playoffs are 5-23 ats next game.  Chiefs kill Houston lose next week.  Still a lot to read. GL all
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    Arizona just wasn't that good of a team, they have a nice formula that worked, blitz and aggressively go after tendencies , get a lead, create turnovers, make teams one dimensional on offense, blitz some more, pour it on offensively.  Makes them look better than they really are.  How do you gameplan for this type of defense a lot of misdirection.  Carson Palmer turning the ball over all those times in flats the score.  I do think Carolina is a very solid team and I have supported them a lot this year and had them very large vs bogus Arizona,  Denver D is a different animal, the blitz is very calculated, they hit Brady today 23x...his previous season high getting hit had been 12x.  That is amazing considering how fast Brady gets rid of the Ball.  Carolina D does have some holes in it.  With two weeks to prepare my initial lean will be on Denver and probably under.  Just a stat I just saw teams that win by 30 or more in playoffs are 5-23 ats next game.  Chiefs kill Houston lose next week.  Still a lot to read. GL all
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by roastedpeanuts:

    Arizona just wasn't that good of a team, they have a nice formula that worked, blitz and aggressively go after tendencies , get a lead, create turnovers, make teams one dimensional on offense, blitz some more, pour it on offensively.  Makes them look better than they really are.  How do you gameplan for this type of defense a lot of misdirection.  Carson Palmer turning the ball over all those times in flats the score.  I do think Carolina is a very solid team and I have supported them a lot this year and had them very large vs bogus Arizona,  Denver D is a different animal, the blitz is very calculated, they hit Brady today 23x...his previous season high getting hit had been 12x.  That is amazing considering how fast Brady gets rid of the Ball.  Carolina D does have some holes in it.  With two weeks to prepare my initial lean will be on Denver and probably under.  Just a stat I just saw teams that win by 30 or more in playoffs are 5-23 ats next game.  Chiefs kill Houston lose next week.  Still a lot to read. GL all
    I love that 5-23 ATS stat.  I do not think anybody will come up with a stronger opposing stat that that says bet on CAR or against DEN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roastedpeanuts:

    Arizona just wasn't that good of a team, they have a nice formula that worked, blitz and aggressively go after tendencies , get a lead, create turnovers, make teams one dimensional on offense, blitz some more, pour it on offensively.  Makes them look better than they really are.  How do you gameplan for this type of defense a lot of misdirection.  Carson Palmer turning the ball over all those times in flats the score.  I do think Carolina is a very solid team and I have supported them a lot this year and had them very large vs bogus Arizona,  Denver D is a different animal, the blitz is very calculated, they hit Brady today 23x...his previous season high getting hit had been 12x.  That is amazing considering how fast Brady gets rid of the Ball.  Carolina D does have some holes in it.  With two weeks to prepare my initial lean will be on Denver and probably under.  Just a stat I just saw teams that win by 30 or more in playoffs are 5-23 ats next game.  Chiefs kill Houston lose next week.  Still a lot to read. GL all
    I love that 5-23 ATS stat.  I do not think anybody will come up with a stronger opposing stat that that says bet on CAR or against DEN.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:


    Should have trusted my gut here. Carolina has been my fav team all year. PISSED I jumped off the wagon.


    We can spend all week talking about buy low/sell high, nowhere to go for CAR but down, playoff experience, every Joe being on CAR, blah, blah, blah.

    They are going to eviscerate the Broncos.

    I wouldn't be so sure of that brotha...looks like its going to be another public v sharps split on Car/Den.  Public going to hammering the panthers.  Obviously very tough to bet against Cam right now, but Denver has the experienced D  to stop them.  You can bet they'll be studying that Falcons game hard.  

    Will likely be taking the 4.5 and hope Denver can stay within the # or even pull off the upset for Peyton.  Its really lining up to be the perfect ending to Manning's career.  Especially after the embarrassment a couple years ago vs Seattle, there is no way Denver comes out flat in this one. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:


    Should have trusted my gut here. Carolina has been my fav team all year. PISSED I jumped off the wagon.


    We can spend all week talking about buy low/sell high, nowhere to go for CAR but down, playoff experience, every Joe being on CAR, blah, blah, blah.

    They are going to eviscerate the Broncos.

    I wouldn't be so sure of that brotha...looks like its going to be another public v sharps split on Car/Den.  Public going to hammering the panthers.  Obviously very tough to bet against Cam right now, but Denver has the experienced D  to stop them.  You can bet they'll be studying that Falcons game hard.  

    Will likely be taking the 4.5 and hope Denver can stay within the # or even pull off the upset for Peyton.  Its really lining up to be the perfect ending to Manning's career.  Especially after the embarrassment a couple years ago vs Seattle, there is no way Denver comes out flat in this one. 
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