The analysts on this morning's Get Up agreed that KAT is the MVP at this point. However, the show also displayed the fact that, going back for several decades, Brunson's PO average of 9.3 points in the fourth quarter trails only Dirk Nowitski's performance in 2011.
Yea the hero down the stretch and the guy scoring gets lots of credit whether deserved or not ..............
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
The analysts on this morning's Get Up agreed that KAT is the MVP at this point. However, the show also displayed the fact that, going back for several decades, Brunson's PO average of 9.3 points in the fourth quarter trails only Dirk Nowitski's performance in 2011.
Yea the hero down the stretch and the guy scoring gets lots of credit whether deserved or not ..............
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: I think I'll hold off on NBA queries until the next season. If you have queries dog post them, I for one like to see them ......... I have some queries that favor NY in Game 3, but more queries that favor SA. I see money has poured in on SA to bring down the line from NY -2.5 to NY -1.5, cutting some value from SA. I am also leery about betting on SA because if the refs continue to allow Towns to rough up VW, it's hard to see a path for SA to take Game 3. I just lost on the 86.8% query I posted in Comment #435, so it is hard to have any confidence in this less-convincing query. I am mostly posting this for my fellow SDQL adepts to get them thinking about assists/TOs ratio queries for maybe the first time. PO = 1 and AD and line < 4.7 and p:LHF and p:assists/p:TO < 1.43 SU: 25-14 (2.8,64.1%) ATS: 27-12 (5.7,69.2%) In the playoffs, Away Dogs of 1.0-4.5 points off a Loss as a Home Favorite win SU 64.1% and cover ATS 69.2% of the games if the ratio of the previous game's assists to turnovers is less than 1.43. Unfortunately most of the advantages disappear when the rounds and series games are parameters: PO = 1 and AD and line < 4.7 and p:LHF and p:assists/p:TO < 1.43 and (round = 4 or series game = 3) SU: 11-9 (-0.8,55.0%) ATS: 12-8 (1.9,60.0%) I don't bet queries with a narrow average ATS margin of just 1.9 points, and if "total > 208.2" is an added parameter, both the SU and ATS fall to 2-3. This is mostly food for thought rather than a call to action. Good luck everybody.
Nice .........
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: I think I'll hold off on NBA queries until the next season. If you have queries dog post them, I for one like to see them ......... I have some queries that favor NY in Game 3, but more queries that favor SA. I see money has poured in on SA to bring down the line from NY -2.5 to NY -1.5, cutting some value from SA. I am also leery about betting on SA because if the refs continue to allow Towns to rough up VW, it's hard to see a path for SA to take Game 3. I just lost on the 86.8% query I posted in Comment #435, so it is hard to have any confidence in this less-convincing query. I am mostly posting this for my fellow SDQL adepts to get them thinking about assists/TOs ratio queries for maybe the first time. PO = 1 and AD and line < 4.7 and p:LHF and p:assists/p:TO < 1.43 SU: 25-14 (2.8,64.1%) ATS: 27-12 (5.7,69.2%) In the playoffs, Away Dogs of 1.0-4.5 points off a Loss as a Home Favorite win SU 64.1% and cover ATS 69.2% of the games if the ratio of the previous game's assists to turnovers is less than 1.43. Unfortunately most of the advantages disappear when the rounds and series games are parameters: PO = 1 and AD and line < 4.7 and p:LHF and p:assists/p:TO < 1.43 and (round = 4 or series game = 3) SU: 11-9 (-0.8,55.0%) ATS: 12-8 (1.9,60.0%) I don't bet queries with a narrow average ATS margin of just 1.9 points, and if "total > 208.2" is an added parameter, both the SU and ATS fall to 2-3. This is mostly food for thought rather than a call to action. Good luck everybody.
Has there ever been more hype for a Finals game 3? First finals game at MSG since forever, million dollar courtside seats, first President to ever attend, possibly the best playoff run ever, etc.. Maybe all this hype finally derails the Knicks. If there ever was a good time to bet against the Knicks, I think tonight is the night. But I'm too scared to do it.
Yep............
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Quote Originally Posted by Stress:
Has there ever been more hype for a Finals game 3? First finals game at MSG since forever, million dollar courtside seats, first President to ever attend, possibly the best playoff run ever, etc.. Maybe all this hype finally derails the Knicks. If there ever was a good time to bet against the Knicks, I think tonight is the night. But I'm too scared to do it.
Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: TC, I hope I do not once again curse you by posting a supportive query, but here I go: PO = 1 and series game = 2 and p:WAD and p:FTP > 82 SU: 5-33 (-14.0,13.2%) ATS: 9-29 (-7.9,23.7%) In the playoffs in series game #2, teams off a Win as an Away Dog that made better than 82% of their free throws are just 5-33 (13.2%) SU and 9-29 (23.7%) ATS. That -14.0 average margin is enticing, so I decided to take SA -11.5 points at +175 for a half unit. Good luck everybody. Been my experience that when an epic query fails that the failed team often will come back to cover the next game.....we'll see how this one works out.
Yes I see that as well with some of my info ........
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Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:
Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: TC, I hope I do not once again curse you by posting a supportive query, but here I go: PO = 1 and series game = 2 and p:WAD and p:FTP > 82 SU: 5-33 (-14.0,13.2%) ATS: 9-29 (-7.9,23.7%) In the playoffs in series game #2, teams off a Win as an Away Dog that made better than 82% of their free throws are just 5-33 (13.2%) SU and 9-29 (23.7%) ATS. That -14.0 average margin is enticing, so I decided to take SA -11.5 points at +175 for a half unit. Good luck everybody. Been my experience that when an epic query fails that the failed team often will come back to cover the next game.....we'll see how this one works out.
Yes I see that as well with some of my info ........
2.5 difference with my line and closing line is... 10.5 ATS
7-2 ATS if coming in off a SU win and 2.5 difference
3-3 ATS coming in off a SU loss and a 2.5 difference.
We don't have a 2.5 difference unless the line goes up to 2.5 then using the ave we'd have the 2.5 difference on Spurs but this assuming we give Knicks no credit for playing better in playoffs.
I think Spurs are better then end of season, closer to the ave, so is we use end of season that give Knicks extra credit for playoffs which makes this a no play for me.
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My Lines .......... game 4
Knicks-.06 over Spurs .........full season
Spurs -.34 over Knicks ..........ave
My Lines 1992 to 2022.......
Have not updated as of now.
2.5 difference with my line and closing line is... 10.5 ATS
7-2 ATS if coming in off a SU win and 2.5 difference
3-3 ATS coming in off a SU loss and a 2.5 difference.
We don't have a 2.5 difference unless the line goes up to 2.5 then using the ave we'd have the 2.5 difference on Spurs but this assuming we give Knicks no credit for playing better in playoffs.
I think Spurs are better then end of season, closer to the ave, so is we use end of season that give Knicks extra credit for playoffs which makes this a no play for me.
My Lines .......... game 4 Knicks-.06 over Spurs .........full season Spurs -.34 over Knicks ..........ave My Lines 1992 to 2022....... Have not updated as of now. 2.5 difference with my line and closing line is... 10.5 ATS 7-2 ATS if coming in off a SU win and 2.5 difference 3-3 ATS coming in off a SU loss and a 2.5 difference. We don't have a 2.5 difference unless the line goes up to 2.5 then using the ave we'd have the 2.5 difference on Spurs but this assuming we give Knicks no credit for playing better in playoffs. I think Spurs are better then end of season, closer to the ave, so is we use end of season that give Knicks extra credit for playoffs which makes this a no play for me.
I guess that all means that NY could win by exactly 1 point (LOL).
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
My Lines .......... game 4 Knicks-.06 over Spurs .........full season Spurs -.34 over Knicks ..........ave My Lines 1992 to 2022....... Have not updated as of now. 2.5 difference with my line and closing line is... 10.5 ATS 7-2 ATS if coming in off a SU win and 2.5 difference 3-3 ATS coming in off a SU loss and a 2.5 difference. We don't have a 2.5 difference unless the line goes up to 2.5 then using the ave we'd have the 2.5 difference on Spurs but this assuming we give Knicks no credit for playing better in playoffs. I think Spurs are better then end of season, closer to the ave, so is we use end of season that give Knicks extra credit for playoffs which makes this a no play for me.
I guess that all means that NY could win by exactly 1 point (LOL).
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: My Lines .......... game 4 Knicks-.06 over Spurs .........full season Spurs -.34 over Knicks ..........ave My Lines 1992 to 2022....... Have not updated as of now. 2.5 difference with my line and closing line is... 10.5 ATS 7-2 ATS if coming in off a SU win and 2.5 difference 3-3 ATS coming in off a SU loss and a 2.5 difference. We don't have a 2.5 difference unless the line goes up to 2.5 then using the ave we'd have the 2.5 difference on Spurs but this assuming we give Knicks no credit for playing better in playoffs. I think Spurs are better then end of season, closer to the ave, so is we use end of season that give Knicks extra credit for playoffs which makes this a no play for me. I guess that all means that NY could win by exactly 1 point (LOL).
Ha .........
A lean on my lines is now 2-2 ATS. Lost games 1 & 2 both on the Spurs then won with Spurs game 3 and game 4.
Game 3 being the biggest difference with my lines and actual line. A game i "should of" , "could of" made a play but damn those Knicks were on such a run I couldn't bring myself to do it.
Even though I always say "stay the course with the info", I broke my own rules.
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: My Lines .......... game 4 Knicks-.06 over Spurs .........full season Spurs -.34 over Knicks ..........ave My Lines 1992 to 2022....... Have not updated as of now. 2.5 difference with my line and closing line is... 10.5 ATS 7-2 ATS if coming in off a SU win and 2.5 difference 3-3 ATS coming in off a SU loss and a 2.5 difference. We don't have a 2.5 difference unless the line goes up to 2.5 then using the ave we'd have the 2.5 difference on Spurs but this assuming we give Knicks no credit for playing better in playoffs. I think Spurs are better then end of season, closer to the ave, so is we use end of season that give Knicks extra credit for playoffs which makes this a no play for me. I guess that all means that NY could win by exactly 1 point (LOL).
Ha .........
A lean on my lines is now 2-2 ATS. Lost games 1 & 2 both on the Spurs then won with Spurs game 3 and game 4.
Game 3 being the biggest difference with my lines and actual line. A game i "should of" , "could of" made a play but damn those Knicks were on such a run I couldn't bring myself to do it.
Even though I always say "stay the course with the info", I broke my own rules.
Anunoby has put himself in position for MVP, blocks Fox at the end then tips in the winning basket.
He goes a sensational 7 of 9 on 3's and 10 of 15 overall.
He leads the Knicks in game score, a players overall contributions, after 4 games.
Meanwhile Wemby misses 2 big FT's and has a poor shooting game like 36% and 20% on 3's in a game he almost certainly needed to win.
He did get 13 rebounds which was an improvement on his recent play.
And had 0 TO's.
Is Wemby going to be another Lebron or will he go on to be another Shaq, who after being swept 4-0 by Hakeem and the Rockets won 3 straight titles some years later.
Lebron did win back to back Titles after losing 2 Finals and crashing in one of those, and he did loss more Finals overall then he won.
A you tube talked about Wemby having a high center of gravity so even if he bulks up he still could get pushed around by other strong bigs with a lower center of gravity.
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Anunoby has put himself in position for MVP, blocks Fox at the end then tips in the winning basket.
He goes a sensational 7 of 9 on 3's and 10 of 15 overall.
He leads the Knicks in game score, a players overall contributions, after 4 games.
Meanwhile Wemby misses 2 big FT's and has a poor shooting game like 36% and 20% on 3's in a game he almost certainly needed to win.
He did get 13 rebounds which was an improvement on his recent play.
And had 0 TO's.
Is Wemby going to be another Lebron or will he go on to be another Shaq, who after being swept 4-0 by Hakeem and the Rockets won 3 straight titles some years later.
Lebron did win back to back Titles after losing 2 Finals and crashing in one of those, and he did loss more Finals overall then he won.
A you tube talked about Wemby having a high center of gravity so even if he bulks up he still could get pushed around by other strong bigs with a lower center of gravity.
Wembanyama is skating on thin ice: he already has 3 flagrant fouls this postseason and one more would result in an automatic one-game suspension. I don't foresee SA winning 3 straight without him.
He's a young guy, but he needs more self-control or he might be crippling his team.
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Wembanyama is skating on thin ice: he already has 3 flagrant fouls this postseason and one more would result in an automatic one-game suspension. I don't foresee SA winning 3 straight without him.
He's a young guy, but he needs more self-control or he might be crippling his team.
Wembanyama is skating on thin ice: he already has 3 flagrant fouls this postseason and one more would result in an automatic one-game suspension. I don't foresee SA winning 3 straight without him. He's a young guy, but he needs more self-control or he might be crippling his team.
Good point.............
Knicks are roughing him up but within limits are allowed while it seems Wemby wants to fight back but he doesn't understand to do it within those limits.
That is a part of the game Wemby needs to learn.
Players can get physical, hold some but you can't swing your elbows purposely trying to hit someone out of frustration.
You can't grab Brunson by the back of his neck and push his head down, he did get away with that but that is not how you get physical back.
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Wembanyama is skating on thin ice: he already has 3 flagrant fouls this postseason and one more would result in an automatic one-game suspension. I don't foresee SA winning 3 straight without him. He's a young guy, but he needs more self-control or he might be crippling his team.
Good point.............
Knicks are roughing him up but within limits are allowed while it seems Wemby wants to fight back but he doesn't understand to do it within those limits.
That is a part of the game Wemby needs to learn.
Players can get physical, hold some but you can't swing your elbows purposely trying to hit someone out of frustration.
You can't grab Brunson by the back of his neck and push his head down, he did get away with that but that is not how you get physical back.
I regard Bill Russell as the NBA GOAT, but the game has changed so drastically that he could never win 11 NBA championships today. Today's 3-pointers/bombs away/quasi-Horse style of play doesn't provide much of a chance for an inside powerhouse to dominate.
Will Victor Wembanyama gain some muscle and win 11 championships? I am not holding my breath.
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@theclaw
I regard Bill Russell as the NBA GOAT, but the game has changed so drastically that he could never win 11 NBA championships today. Today's 3-pointers/bombs away/quasi-Horse style of play doesn't provide much of a chance for an inside powerhouse to dominate.
Will Victor Wembanyama gain some muscle and win 11 championships? I am not holding my breath.
@theclaw I regard Bill Russell as the NBA GOAT, but the game has changed so drastically that he could never win 11 NBA championships today. Today's 3-pointers/bombs away/quasi-Horse style of play doesn't provide much of a chance for an inside powerhouse to dominate. Will Victor Wembanyama gain some muscle and win 11 championships? I am not holding my breath.
Exactly dog .............
And why it is so difficult to compare players as they played in different era with different rules and style of play.
A great example I like to use to show how big a difference each era can be is look at Wilt setting the rebou d record with 27.2 per game in 1961.
That year there were 146 rebounds available in the average NBA game.
When Shaq won his first title in 2000 there was 86 rebounds available in the average game.
Now how can you compare the rebound totals to each other, impossible.
How could Shaq come even remotely close to 27 rebounds a game with only 86 available ?
Era's make a huge difference.
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
@theclaw I regard Bill Russell as the NBA GOAT, but the game has changed so drastically that he could never win 11 NBA championships today. Today's 3-pointers/bombs away/quasi-Horse style of play doesn't provide much of a chance for an inside powerhouse to dominate. Will Victor Wembanyama gain some muscle and win 11 championships? I am not holding my breath.
Exactly dog .............
And why it is so difficult to compare players as they played in different era with different rules and style of play.
A great example I like to use to show how big a difference each era can be is look at Wilt setting the rebou d record with 27.2 per game in 1961.
That year there were 146 rebounds available in the average NBA game.
When Shaq won his first title in 2000 there was 86 rebounds available in the average game.
Now how can you compare the rebound totals to each other, impossible.
How could Shaq come even remotely close to 27 rebounds a game with only 86 available ?
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