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    Rush51
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    Posted: May. 11, 2026 - 10:06 PM ET #576

    It really is astonishing just how bad he has gotten over the years.  Looking at his career stats the other day, I was a bit surprised how much he struck out even early on in his career, ( not nearly as frequent as now) , but at least this was overshadowed by his ability to still hit .300.  Now, that is a distant memory.   Hits back then are now being replaced by additional strike outs.  What a waste of a once great talent that thrived in the first decade of his career.   Now, he is a lost soul 

    I'm afraid what RAIDERS said earlier is correct.   The use of analytics,  etc. has changed the game, and it sure looks like it is to the detriment of Trout.  "Launch Angle" for example is nothing more than an upper- cut swing that looks to hit HRs,... or strike out.  

    Whatever the excuse, I wish the guy would retire so the Angels Team can move on...Owner Arte Moreno can eat the salary.   He deserves it ! 

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    It really is astonishing just how bad he has gotten over the years.  Looking at his career stats the other day, I was a bit surprised how much he struck out even early on in his career, ( not nearly as frequent as now) , but at least this was overshadowed by his ability to still hit .300.  Now, that is a distant memory.   Hits back then are now being replaced by additional strike outs.  What a waste of a once great talent that thrived in the first decade of his career.   Now, he is a lost soul 

    I'm afraid what RAIDERS said earlier is correct.   The use of analytics,  etc. has changed the game, and it sure looks like it is to the detriment of Trout.  "Launch Angle" for example is nothing more than an upper- cut swing that looks to hit HRs,... or strike out.  

    Whatever the excuse, I wish the guy would retire so the Angels Team can move on...Owner Arte Moreno can eat the salary.   He deserves it ! 

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2026 - 10:16 PM ET #577

    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22  Yes

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    Posted: May. 11, 2026 - 10:50 PM ET #578

    I am deeply involved with launch angles and turning the barrel and all the other new terms that have taken over hitting. I am invested as a dad and also high school coach. Top level coaches are not teaching hands to the ball or hitting down at the ball anymore. It is about homeruns. It takes two or three hits to score a run. It takes one homerun to score a run. The analytics have shown that teams win when they hit more home runs.  

    I know some people are hung up about strikeouts, but many simply do not care. It is still an out just like a fly ball. You may disagree all you want. If you disagree then you are not watching modern day baseball or softball for that matter.

    In Mike Trout's 16 SEASON, he is batting .248. The average in the MLB is .245. Yet, his on base percentage is top 15! His 11 homeruns put him tied for 8th, and his RBI's puts him in the top 30 OF ALL PLAYERS! In what world does this suck???? Why should he retire? How in holy hell is he a lost soul as stated by another yahoo? Yes, look up the word yahoo.  

    Not bad for a player in his 16 season. Some players will never be in the top 100 of anything!!! 

    Again, I am not necessarily a Mike Trout fan. In fact, until recently I haven't even thought about him much. I just think it's hilarious how some of you think he sucks because he strikes out too much. Some of you are clueless. The game has changed. No one gives a rat's ass about strikeouts.

    Honestly, this argument is downright stupid. Talk to anyone who knows the game and they would laugh in your face. Is the 2026 Trout as good as the 2015 Mike Trout? Hell no. Is Lebron the same? But to act like he sucks or is washed is freaking stupid. To also act like he won't be a HOF is also incredibly stupid and naive.     

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    I am deeply involved with launch angles and turning the barrel and all the other new terms that have taken over hitting. I am invested as a dad and also high school coach. Top level coaches are not teaching hands to the ball or hitting down at the ball anymore. It is about homeruns. It takes two or three hits to score a run. It takes one homerun to score a run. The analytics have shown that teams win when they hit more home runs.  

    I know some people are hung up about strikeouts, but many simply do not care. It is still an out just like a fly ball. You may disagree all you want. If you disagree then you are not watching modern day baseball or softball for that matter.

    In Mike Trout's 16 SEASON, he is batting .248. The average in the MLB is .245. Yet, his on base percentage is top 15! His 11 homeruns put him tied for 8th, and his RBI's puts him in the top 30 OF ALL PLAYERS! In what world does this suck???? Why should he retire? How in holy hell is he a lost soul as stated by another yahoo? Yes, look up the word yahoo.  

    Not bad for a player in his 16 season. Some players will never be in the top 100 of anything!!! 

    Again, I am not necessarily a Mike Trout fan. In fact, until recently I haven't even thought about him much. I just think it's hilarious how some of you think he sucks because he strikes out too much. Some of you are clueless. The game has changed. No one gives a rat's ass about strikeouts.

    Honestly, this argument is downright stupid. Talk to anyone who knows the game and they would laugh in your face. Is the 2026 Trout as good as the 2015 Mike Trout? Hell no. Is Lebron the same? But to act like he sucks or is washed is freaking stupid. To also act like he won't be a HOF is also incredibly stupid and naive.     

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2026 - 11:08 PM ET #579

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    Posted: May. 11, 2026 - 11:10 PM ET #580

    In 2025, the Dodgers hit the second most homeruns of all teams and won the World Series. The Yankees hit the most and won their division and made the playoffs. 

    In 2025, Texas University won the college World Series and finished third in the country in home runs. Oklahoma, Florida State, Florida, and UCLA all made the World Series and all were in the top 10 in homeruns as a team.

    In 2026, the top three teams in homeruns are the Yankees, Braves, and Dodgers. Guess who has the best records in baseball? 

    Again, it is about homeruns. No one gives a shit about strikeouts. 

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    In 2025, the Dodgers hit the second most homeruns of all teams and won the World Series. The Yankees hit the most and won their division and made the playoffs. 

    In 2025, Texas University won the college World Series and finished third in the country in home runs. Oklahoma, Florida State, Florida, and UCLA all made the World Series and all were in the top 10 in homeruns as a team.

    In 2026, the top three teams in homeruns are the Yankees, Braves, and Dodgers. Guess who has the best records in baseball? 

    Again, it is about homeruns. No one gives a shit about strikeouts. 

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2026 - 11:30 PM ET #581

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     Perhaps I need to educate you that an upper- cut swing requires exact precision and timing to get the desired result.   To hear this is being promoted at the HS level tells me you are not teaching kids the fundamentals..  A  more level swing spends more time on the same plane as the baseball,  increasing the odds of a hit,... even if not squared up properly. 

    You'd be better off teaching your youngsters to keep the eye on the ball , AND keeping a level swing for base hits.  How do you feel when your guy at the plate strikes out with guys on base, when all that was needed was to keep the line moving,  driving in runs ? 

    And Does the Triple Crown mean anything to you ? You newbies are trying to reinvent the game, when the game is about HRs, AVERAGE, and RBIs !!

    Trout used to excel at 2 of 3 categories.   (I give him a bit of a pass on RBIs, because the Angels offense has sucked for so long , thus nobody on base) 

    Now, Trout is left trying to hit lots of HRs.  

     

     

     

     

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     Perhaps I need to educate you that an upper- cut swing requires exact precision and timing to get the desired result.   To hear this is being promoted at the HS level tells me you are not teaching kids the fundamentals..  A  more level swing spends more time on the same plane as the baseball,  increasing the odds of a hit,... even if not squared up properly. 

    You'd be better off teaching your youngsters to keep the eye on the ball , AND keeping a level swing for base hits.  How do you feel when your guy at the plate strikes out with guys on base, when all that was needed was to keep the line moving,  driving in runs ? 

    And Does the Triple Crown mean anything to you ? You newbies are trying to reinvent the game, when the game is about HRs, AVERAGE, and RBIs !!

    Trout used to excel at 2 of 3 categories.   (I give him a bit of a pass on RBIs, because the Angels offense has sucked for so long , thus nobody on base) 

    Now, Trout is left trying to hit lots of HRs.  

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2026 - 11:45 PM ET #582

    In 2025, TOR led MLB  in Average by a country mile, and came within a whisker of winning it all... Top 3 teams in BA made the playoffs last year, just like the top 3 teams in HRs.. We can cherry pick data points all day long . 

    You newbies are pushing HRs at the sacrifice of a well-rounded team that knows how to hit the ball.

    * apologies to TXRANGERS for hijacking his thread * 

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    In 2025, TOR led MLB  in Average by a country mile, and came within a whisker of winning it all... Top 3 teams in BA made the playoffs last year, just like the top 3 teams in HRs.. We can cherry pick data points all day long . 

    You newbies are pushing HRs at the sacrifice of a well-rounded team that knows how to hit the ball.

    * apologies to TXRANGERS for hijacking his thread * 

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2026 - 12:46 AM ET #583

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     Odds were never that favorable the idiot himself says it’s been going on for 8 years him striking out all the time.think the bookies give money away.Why won’t he post any tickets ??Because he’s full of sh$t.

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     Odds were never that favorable the idiot himself says it’s been going on for 8 years him striking out all the time.think the bookies give money away.Why won’t he post any tickets ??Because he’s full of sh$t.

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2026 - 12:54 AM ET #584

    an_razzStill not posting your fantasy bets .You should be laying 5dimes every bet.I still believe this thread has to do with a romantic event where one party didn’t get an expected call the next day.To much emotion involved.He or she needs an intervention.

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    an_razzStill not posting your fantasy bets .You should be laying 5dimes every bet.I still believe this thread has to do with a romantic event where one party didn’t get an expected call the next day.To much emotion involved.He or she needs an intervention.

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2026 - 7:43 AM ET #585

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    Posted: May. 12, 2026 - 8:13 AM ET #586

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    @River_fish  Perhaps I need to educate you that an upper- cut swing requires exact precision and timing to get the desired result.   To hear this is being promoted at the HS level tells me you are not teaching kids the fundamentals..  A  more level swing spends more time on the same plane as the baseball,  increasing the odds of a hit,... even if not squared up properly.  You'd be better off teaching your youngsters to keep the eye on the ball , AND keeping a level swing for base hits.  How do you feel when your guy at the plate strikes out with guys on base, when all that was needed was to keep the line moving,  driving in runs ?  And Does the Triple Crown mean anything to you ? You newbies are trying to reinvent the game, when the game is about HRs, AVERAGE, and RBIs !! Trout used to excel at 2 of 3 categories.   (I give him a bit of a pass on RBIs, because the Angels offense has sucked for so long , thus nobody on base)  Now, Trout is left trying to hit lots of HRs.

    This is not completely accurate.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    @River_fish  Perhaps I need to educate you that an upper- cut swing requires exact precision and timing to get the desired result.   To hear this is being promoted at the HS level tells me you are not teaching kids the fundamentals..  A  more level swing spends more time on the same plane as the baseball,  increasing the odds of a hit,... even if not squared up properly.  You'd be better off teaching your youngsters to keep the eye on the ball , AND keeping a level swing for base hits.  How do you feel when your guy at the plate strikes out with guys on base, when all that was needed was to keep the line moving,  driving in runs ?  And Does the Triple Crown mean anything to you ? You newbies are trying to reinvent the game, when the game is about HRs, AVERAGE, and RBIs !! Trout used to excel at 2 of 3 categories.   (I give him a bit of a pass on RBIs, because the Angels offense has sucked for so long , thus nobody on base)  Now, Trout is left trying to hit lots of HRs.

    This is not completely accurate.

     

     
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    Due to gravity the ball is not crossing the plate level, but on a downward angle.

    Balls with a moderate launch angle have been proven to produce better results.

    Around 10-20 degree angle have proven best.  

    Ground balls simply get fielded easier, do not produce homers, and rely too much on speed.

    At that angle they produce more line drives, carry into the gaps, and will produce more homers.

    If you graph it out as Y=a*x(squared) you will see it better.  The hitters want enough of an upper swing before gravity pulls it down while not popping it up.

    Over the last several years batters have been taught this and the batters have gotten much better at getting it right.

    This will also produce the proper amount of backspin to allow the ball not to drag as much and carry further. 

    This is why hard-hit balls travel further than top-spin grounders do.

    When you look at the human biomechanics it is easier to understand why this works the way it does.

    However, when people say 'uppercut' they get it somewhat confused with, say, a golfswing.   It is not that exaggerated.

    You want enough of an uppercut to avoid popups, etc.  You want a 'controlled' upward path with the bat and not an exaggerated uppercut.

    It has taken me a long time to come around to admitting that this is better in today's game.

    With the advent of computers to study the biomechanics, the models to study the expected runs produced, etc. it has changed the game.  Leg drive, hip rotation, hand delivery through the swing, torso torque, etc.

    I still like BA and BB, etc.  Because I like the hitter to get on base more.  But I also realize that the hitters today are NOT contact hitters like in years before.  So, the small ball does not work well enough to produce runs.

    But it really is better for the team when you have folks that have been shown to 'produce' more runs in the long run and not just get on base and hope the next guy can do the same.

    The issue is that Mike Trout was pretty much a natural at this from the start and was far ahead of the way the game developed.

    It is not about swinging as hard as you can and either hoping for a homer or striking out --- like some of the 'power' hitters from years back.

    Now it is all about controlled launch angles to drive the ball.

    The last thing I would add is that because of the length of the baseball season, the large amount of games, and the huge numbers of in-game scenarios baseball has been the ideal sport for analytics to play out and actually work.  For example, in a 16-17 game NFL season they do not have enough time to average out over a year to have a net benefit as much as in MLB.

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    Due to gravity the ball is not crossing the plate level, but on a downward angle.

    Balls with a moderate launch angle have been proven to produce better results.

    Around 10-20 degree angle have proven best.  

    Ground balls simply get fielded easier, do not produce homers, and rely too much on speed.

    At that angle they produce more line drives, carry into the gaps, and will produce more homers.

    If you graph it out as Y=a*x(squared) you will see it better.  The hitters want enough of an upper swing before gravity pulls it down while not popping it up.

    Over the last several years batters have been taught this and the batters have gotten much better at getting it right.

    This will also produce the proper amount of backspin to allow the ball not to drag as much and carry further. 

    This is why hard-hit balls travel further than top-spin grounders do.

    When you look at the human biomechanics it is easier to understand why this works the way it does.

    However, when people say 'uppercut' they get it somewhat confused with, say, a golfswing.   It is not that exaggerated.

    You want enough of an uppercut to avoid popups, etc.  You want a 'controlled' upward path with the bat and not an exaggerated uppercut.

    It has taken me a long time to come around to admitting that this is better in today's game.

    With the advent of computers to study the biomechanics, the models to study the expected runs produced, etc. it has changed the game.  Leg drive, hip rotation, hand delivery through the swing, torso torque, etc.

    I still like BA and BB, etc.  Because I like the hitter to get on base more.  But I also realize that the hitters today are NOT contact hitters like in years before.  So, the small ball does not work well enough to produce runs.

    But it really is better for the team when you have folks that have been shown to 'produce' more runs in the long run and not just get on base and hope the next guy can do the same.

    The issue is that Mike Trout was pretty much a natural at this from the start and was far ahead of the way the game developed.

    It is not about swinging as hard as you can and either hoping for a homer or striking out --- like some of the 'power' hitters from years back.

    Now it is all about controlled launch angles to drive the ball.

    The last thing I would add is that because of the length of the baseball season, the large amount of games, and the huge numbers of in-game scenarios baseball has been the ideal sport for analytics to play out and actually work.  For example, in a 16-17 game NFL season they do not have enough time to average out over a year to have a net benefit as much as in MLB.

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     Is there a play today?

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     Is there a play today?

     
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    Thank you little Mikey for striking out again. Thank you for cashing my ticket. You are a worthless baseball player. But whatever you do, don't go on the DL when you wash your hands between innings and bruise your pinky. We all know how fragile you are stay in the lineup, keep striking out, and continue to be one of the worst baseball players in the league.

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    Thank you little Mikey for striking out again. Thank you for cashing my ticket. You are a worthless baseball player. But whatever you do, don't go on the DL when you wash your hands between innings and bruise your pinky. We all know how fragile you are stay in the lineup, keep striking out, and continue to be one of the worst baseball players in the league.

     
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    I mean good lord. Does Mike Trout ever do anything besides walk or strike out? Seriously? Does he ever actually hit the baseball? He either walks, or strikes out. And his stats prove it. But please don't go on the DL when you hurt your pinky washing your hands between innings. Thanks Little Mikey. Keep striking out for me

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    I mean good lord. Does Mike Trout ever do anything besides walk or strike out? Seriously? Does he ever actually hit the baseball? He either walks, or strikes out. And his stats prove it. But please don't go on the DL when you hurt your pinky washing your hands between innings. Thanks Little Mikey. Keep striking out for me

     
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     You're exactly right, trout needs to retire. He has been a worthless baseball player for almost a decade. He's stealing money from the Angels owner. The Angels can't even get a home Sunday night baseball game to show off their stadium and their beautiful weather. The angels owner has absolutely 0 in return for having Mike Trout on his team. There's no value whatsoever. But yet people think he's great

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     You're exactly right, trout needs to retire. He has been a worthless baseball player for almost a decade. He's stealing money from the Angels owner. The Angels can't even get a home Sunday night baseball game to show off their stadium and their beautiful weather. The angels owner has absolutely 0 in return for having Mike Trout on his team. There's no value whatsoever. But yet people think he's great

     
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    What were the odds tonight?

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    What were the odds tonight?

     
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    Stats after the Yankees game in which the media and his fans were absolutely going berserk saying he was the greatest baseball player that ever lived even though there were 22 home runs hit during the Yankees series even the ball boy was hitting home runs in batting practice. But hey, I digress. after the Yankees series. 76 at-bats, 19 hits, 4 home runs, 30 strikeouts, 7rbis. How come the media isn't talking about this, how come his fans don't mention this? And how come they don't mention his stats before the Yankees series????

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    Stats after the Yankees game in which the media and his fans were absolutely going berserk saying he was the greatest baseball player that ever lived even though there were 22 home runs hit during the Yankees series even the ball boy was hitting home runs in batting practice. But hey, I digress. after the Yankees series. 76 at-bats, 19 hits, 4 home runs, 30 strikeouts, 7rbis. How come the media isn't talking about this, how come his fans don't mention this? And how come they don't mention his stats before the Yankees series????

     
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    252 / 925

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    Oh, and did I mention the great Mike Trout is a quitter? I thought he was supposed to be the leader of the team and the franchise?? He took himself out Sunday afternoon because he struck out 3 times in a row. Well, one of the reasons they were getting blown out was because he sucks, and he struck out 3 times in a row. But I know, I know, he's the greatest, analytics proves he's great, every general manager is trying to trade for him, I know I know, blah blah blah.

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    Oh, and did I mention the great Mike Trout is a quitter? I thought he was supposed to be the leader of the team and the franchise?? He took himself out Sunday afternoon because he struck out 3 times in a row. Well, one of the reasons they were getting blown out was because he sucks, and he struck out 3 times in a row. But I know, I know, he's the greatest, analytics proves he's great, every general manager is trying to trade for him, I know I know, blah blah blah.

     
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     What do those numbers mean? I'm guessing his hits - strikeouts in the last 8 years combined. That sounds about right

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     What do those numbers mean? I'm guessing his hits - strikeouts in the last 8 years combined. That sounds about right

     
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    Obviously strikeouts matter to the Hof voters. Since there are only two guys in the Hall of Fame who has more strikeouts than hits in their career, and at the end of this season, trout will achieve this. At the end of this season, he will have more strikeouts than hits in his career. Because he's a joke in baseball. He needs to retire, he needs to stop stealing money from my angel's owner

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    Obviously strikeouts matter to the Hof voters. Since there are only two guys in the Hall of Fame who has more strikeouts than hits in their career, and at the end of this season, trout will achieve this. At the end of this season, he will have more strikeouts than hits in his career. Because he's a joke in baseball. He needs to retire, he needs to stop stealing money from my angel's owner

     
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     What do those numbers mean that you posted? What were you trying to convey to me? But all seriousness. What has trout done in the past 8 seasons? What has he accomplished in the past 8 seasons and counting. Also. What is his career stats versus HOFers Verlander and Kershaw? And what are Tony Gwynn stats versus Maddux? I know those answers. I want other people to acknowledge them also. And then explain to me why they think Mike Trout is so great

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     What do those numbers mean that you posted? What were you trying to convey to me? But all seriousness. What has trout done in the past 8 seasons? What has he accomplished in the past 8 seasons and counting. Also. What is his career stats versus HOFers Verlander and Kershaw? And what are Tony Gwynn stats versus Maddux? I know those answers. I want other people to acknowledge them also. And then explain to me why they think Mike Trout is so great

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22    What do those numbers mean? I'm guessing his hits - strikeouts in the last 8 years combined. That sounds about right

    Looks like batting average and ops to me

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:

    @Raiders22    What do those numbers mean? I'm guessing his hits - strikeouts in the last 8 years combined. That sounds about right

    Looks like batting average and ops to me

     

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