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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 8:16 PM ET #901

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    KittyKatz, in the question of why God created mankind, there are only three possible answers to that question. If we can eliminate two of those possible answers, then what remains must be truth. Then we can expand on that one. This is called the law of exclusion. Whenever you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth. The three options to answer the question are: He was compelled to create man, He needed to create man, or He wanted to create man. Without going into detail in the discount process, it remains that God wasn't compelled, the only reasonable explanation that can be given is that He wanted to. If in the begining, God created the heavens and the earth, day and night, and all the animals on our planet. The culmination of his creation was man, who was given a mind capable of reasoning, thinking, and even creating, although his intellectual powers in comparison with those of God, are limited. Man was made from dust, the basic element of the earth, which of itself is inorganic or without life. From the earth, man can build machines for purpose, that have no life. So, God must have created man with and for a purpose. So, humanity must be created in His likeness, man is not an animal, and has dominion over all creatures. We have to be created after the God kind.

    It is necessary for us to know evil in order for us to eventually choose "good," intelligently and willingly. It is impossible to know good without knowing evil, it is impossible to learn right without understanding what is wrong. Therefore God, Himself provides opposition to truth, in order to bring attention to truth, to clarify truth and to magnify the difference between truth and lies, between good and evil. You state; "for what reason should we have to choose or reject god," and the logic is in the politics of the universe. Satan actually means adversary, and is the opponent, the antagonist, the adversary against God. In the rejection of God, you cast a vote to have leadership of other than Him.

    Some people blame the presence of evil on society. However, society is composed of individuals who make individual choices. Most the evil is committed by people who oppose the will of society. In contrast, there are many examples of societies in the animal kingdom, especially among the primates. None of these societies have the capacity for evil that we do. We are different from all other animals on our planet, a fact that has no scientific or evolutionary explanation. Look at all the evil perpetuated within the last century alone: 6 million person killed by Hitler, 40 million Russians killed by Stalin, 2 million Cambodians killed by their own government during the 1970's. Evil acts committed by humans are so pervasive and extreme that their presence is not explained by childhood abuse, biochemical abnormalities of the brain, or any other naturalistic explanation. Who told you the latter is evil if you are not a spiritual being? The elements of the human body are products of the earth, and we are able to identify these very elements. Where on the periodic chart of elements will you find conscious. Simplicity here is in giving thanks to an intelligent God, not credit to a non-intelligent force. Or is technology holding humans back from identifying the theory of the element(s) that will negate the human spirit. Do you know what gravity, sound waves, love, pain, and, anger have in common? You can feel them but you can't touch them. The same force behind the curtain of the universe is responsible for all of the latter. Rostos, ClubDirt and yourself on the facts of science are all talking about the identical force. The three names used are; Jesus, intelligent force and non-intelligent force.

    But KittyKatz, if the Bible is fantasy like the stories of Harry Potter, lets substitute the Bible for C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia, which has used fantasy and magic. The difference between C.S. Lewis and Harry Potter is the source of power. In The Chronicles of Narnia, the source of power is Aslan, the Lion representation of Jesus Christ. In Harry Potter, the source of power is unknown, but available to those who want to use it. So, the difference between our books is, The Chronicles of Narnia has an intelligent source of power and has a deeper meaning underlining the plot. Aslan the Lion is sacraficed, his blood is shed on the great stone table by the white witch, but Aslan rises from the dead, routs the witch, and then disappears to return at an unspecified later date. Which symbolizes a Christ-like figure. Where as in your book, the "good" guys in Harry Potter are relying upon magic and sorcery instead of God for their power. A non-intelligent force that created wizardry, witchcraft, socery, mediums, spirits and enchantments.

    The duty of science is to determine is the force of the universe: intelligent (Aslan), or non-intelligent (Harry Potter). When you discover that science declares Aslan the power behind the cosmic curtain, you can then refer to that intelligent power as God, Elohim (Hebrew for God), or continue with Aslan, the choice is yours. Then with science again, test all the books that claim to be divine and you will find Gods name. The conjecture God would create a universe and not be requisite for eminence, now thats something aint it. Even Leonardo Da Vinci signed his self-portrait, one would be of conception God who created man in his image would be of equal pertain.

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    KittyKatz, in the question of why God created mankind, there are only three possible answers to that question. If we can eliminate two of those possible answers, then what remains must be truth. Then we can expand on that one. This is called the law of exclusion. Whenever you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth. The three options to answer the question are: He was compelled to create man, He needed to create man, or He wanted to create man. Without going into detail in the discount process, it remains that God wasn't compelled, the only reasonable explanation that can be given is that He wanted to. If in the begining, God created the heavens and the earth, day and night, and all the animals on our planet. The culmination of his creation was man, who was given a mind capable of reasoning, thinking, and even creating, although his intellectual powers in comparison with those of God, are limited. Man was made from dust, the basic element of the earth, which of itself is inorganic or without life. From the earth, man can build machines for purpose, that have no life. So, God must have created man with and for a purpose. So, humanity must be created in His likeness, man is not an animal, and has dominion over all creatures. We have to be created after the God kind.

    It is necessary for us to know evil in order for us to eventually choose "good," intelligently and willingly. It is impossible to know good without knowing evil, it is impossible to learn right without understanding what is wrong. Therefore God, Himself provides opposition to truth, in order to bring attention to truth, to clarify truth and to magnify the difference between truth and lies, between good and evil. You state; "for what reason should we have to choose or reject god," and the logic is in the politics of the universe. Satan actually means adversary, and is the opponent, the antagonist, the adversary against God. In the rejection of God, you cast a vote to have leadership of other than Him.

    Some people blame the presence of evil on society. However, society is composed of individuals who make individual choices. Most the evil is committed by people who oppose the will of society. In contrast, there are many examples of societies in the animal kingdom, especially among the primates. None of these societies have the capacity for evil that we do. We are different from all other animals on our planet, a fact that has no scientific or evolutionary explanation. Look at all the evil perpetuated within the last century alone: 6 million person killed by Hitler, 40 million Russians killed by Stalin, 2 million Cambodians killed by their own government during the 1970's. Evil acts committed by humans are so pervasive and extreme that their presence is not explained by childhood abuse, biochemical abnormalities of the brain, or any other naturalistic explanation. Who told you the latter is evil if you are not a spiritual being? The elements of the human body are products of the earth, and we are able to identify these very elements. Where on the periodic chart of elements will you find conscious. Simplicity here is in giving thanks to an intelligent God, not credit to a non-intelligent force. Or is technology holding humans back from identifying the theory of the element(s) that will negate the human spirit. Do you know what gravity, sound waves, love, pain, and, anger have in common? You can feel them but you can't touch them. The same force behind the curtain of the universe is responsible for all of the latter. Rostos, ClubDirt and yourself on the facts of science are all talking about the identical force. The three names used are; Jesus, intelligent force and non-intelligent force.

    But KittyKatz, if the Bible is fantasy like the stories of Harry Potter, lets substitute the Bible for C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia, which has used fantasy and magic. The difference between C.S. Lewis and Harry Potter is the source of power. In The Chronicles of Narnia, the source of power is Aslan, the Lion representation of Jesus Christ. In Harry Potter, the source of power is unknown, but available to those who want to use it. So, the difference between our books is, The Chronicles of Narnia has an intelligent source of power and has a deeper meaning underlining the plot. Aslan the Lion is sacraficed, his blood is shed on the great stone table by the white witch, but Aslan rises from the dead, routs the witch, and then disappears to return at an unspecified later date. Which symbolizes a Christ-like figure. Where as in your book, the "good" guys in Harry Potter are relying upon magic and sorcery instead of God for their power. A non-intelligent force that created wizardry, witchcraft, socery, mediums, spirits and enchantments.

    The duty of science is to determine is the force of the universe: intelligent (Aslan), or non-intelligent (Harry Potter). When you discover that science declares Aslan the power behind the cosmic curtain, you can then refer to that intelligent power as God, Elohim (Hebrew for God), or continue with Aslan, the choice is yours. Then with science again, test all the books that claim to be divine and you will find Gods name. The conjecture God would create a universe and not be requisite for eminence, now thats something aint it. Even Leonardo Da Vinci signed his self-portrait, one would be of conception God who created man in his image would be of equal pertain.

    You are fucking looneytunes.

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 8:36 PM ET #902

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You are fucking looneytunes.


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    You are fucking looneytunes.


     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 8:39 PM ET #903

    vanzack are you a citizen of Equatorial Guinea, born and raised there? And are you working for the government there in EG?

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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 8:41 PM ET #904

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    vanzack are you a citizen of Equatorial Guinea, born and raised there? And are you working for the government there in EG?



    This is gonna be good..
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    vanzack are you a citizen of Equatorial Guinea, born and raised there? And are you working for the government there in EG?



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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 8:43 PM ET #905

    Quote Originally Posted by bbitw:



    This is gonna be good..

    He's probably thinking...why do I want to know...lol and so he is thinking what should he say...lol

     

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    This is gonna be good..

    He's probably thinking...why do I want to know...lol and so he is thinking what should he say...lol

     

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 8:49 PM ET #906

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    vanzack are you a citizen of Equatorial Guinea, born and raised there? And are you working for the government there in EG?

    I have dual citizenship in EG. 

    I dont work for anybody.  God has blessed me so much that I have been able to make my living gambling.  Even though the people of EG are very poor, I only rub it in their faces when I drive my Mercedes around with my vanity plate "vanzack1".  This is what Jesus told me to do.

    Jesus told me that as long as my family isnt affected by my gambling, that it was not a sin.  So by the grace of Jesus, I made a bundle gambling while the poor slobs of EG steal each others crops right out of the ground!  Jesus loves me so much.  Not so much for the EG slobs.  Praise Jesus for making such an inequitable world that I can be rich, and eveyrone around me can be starving, miserable, and poor - and on top of it I go to heaven and they all go to hell.

    Praise Jesus!!

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    vanzack are you a citizen of Equatorial Guinea, born and raised there? And are you working for the government there in EG?

    I have dual citizenship in EG. 

    I dont work for anybody.  God has blessed me so much that I have been able to make my living gambling.  Even though the people of EG are very poor, I only rub it in their faces when I drive my Mercedes around with my vanity plate "vanzack1".  This is what Jesus told me to do.

    Jesus told me that as long as my family isnt affected by my gambling, that it was not a sin.  So by the grace of Jesus, I made a bundle gambling while the poor slobs of EG steal each others crops right out of the ground!  Jesus loves me so much.  Not so much for the EG slobs.  Praise Jesus for making such an inequitable world that I can be rich, and eveyrone around me can be starving, miserable, and poor - and on top of it I go to heaven and they all go to hell.

    Praise Jesus!!

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 9:14 PM ET #907

    The principal religion in Equatorial Guinea is Christianity which is the faith of 93% of the population. These are predominately Roman Catholic (87%) while a minority are Protestants (5%). Another 5% of the population follow indigenous beliefs and the final 2% comprises Muslims, Bahá'í Faith, and other beliefs.[36]

    Equatorial Guinea has one of the worst human rights records in the world, consistently ranking among the "worst of the worst" in Freedom House's annual survey of political and civil rights[8] and Reporters Without Borders ranks President Obiang among its "predators" of press freedom.[9]

    So is the reason you have no faith in the Lord Almighty partly based on what I posted above?

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    The principal religion in Equatorial Guinea is Christianity which is the faith of 93% of the population. These are predominately Roman Catholic (87%) while a minority are Protestants (5%). Another 5% of the population follow indigenous beliefs and the final 2% comprises Muslims, Bahá'í Faith, and other beliefs.[36]

    Equatorial Guinea has one of the worst human rights records in the world, consistently ranking among the "worst of the worst" in Freedom House's annual survey of political and civil rights[8] and Reporters Without Borders ranks President Obiang among its "predators" of press freedom.[9]

    So is the reason you have no faith in the Lord Almighty partly based on what I posted above?

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 9:23 PM ET #908

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The principal religion in Equatorial Guinea is Christianity which is the faith of 93% of the population. These are predominately Roman Catholic (87%) while a minority are Protestants (5%). Another 5% of the population follow indigenous beliefs and the final 2% comprises Muslims, Bahá'í Faith, and other beliefs.[36]

    Equatorial Guinea has one of the worst human rights records in the world, consistently ranking among the "worst of the worst" in Freedom House's annual survey of political and civil rights[8] and Reporters Without Borders ranks President Obiang among its "predators" of press freedom.[9]

    So is the reason you have no faith in the Lord Almighty partly based on what I posted above?

    Why do you care?  You live in the land of plenty.  You have a car and a house.  Your god says it is all just fine and dandy that you have everything and they have nothing.  You get upset when you cant pay your mortgage.  You have no idea what its like to have to steal to feed your kids.

    But Jesus loves them!  Just as much as he loves you (well, not quite as much, but who is counting).  Keep going on with your life ignoring everyone else in the world - Jesus and god give you that excuse!  Keep posting on covers instead of giving your computer to a school child in EG.

    Dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The principal religion in Equatorial Guinea is Christianity which is the faith of 93% of the population. These are predominately Roman Catholic (87%) while a minority are Protestants (5%). Another 5% of the population follow indigenous beliefs and the final 2% comprises Muslims, Bahá'í Faith, and other beliefs.[36]

    Equatorial Guinea has one of the worst human rights records in the world, consistently ranking among the "worst of the worst" in Freedom House's annual survey of political and civil rights[8] and Reporters Without Borders ranks President Obiang among its "predators" of press freedom.[9]

    So is the reason you have no faith in the Lord Almighty partly based on what I posted above?

    Why do you care?  You live in the land of plenty.  You have a car and a house.  Your god says it is all just fine and dandy that you have everything and they have nothing.  You get upset when you cant pay your mortgage.  You have no idea what its like to have to steal to feed your kids.

    But Jesus loves them!  Just as much as he loves you (well, not quite as much, but who is counting).  Keep going on with your life ignoring everyone else in the world - Jesus and god give you that excuse!  Keep posting on covers instead of giving your computer to a school child in EG.

    Dope.

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 9:38 PM ET #909

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Why do you care?  You live in the land of plenty.  You have a car and a house.  Your god says it is all just fine and dandy that you have everything and they have nothing.  You get upset when you cant pay your mortgage.  You have no idea what its like to have to steal to feed your kids.

    But Jesus loves them!  Just as much as he loves you (well, not quite as much, but who is counting).  Keep going on with your life ignoring everyone else in the world - Jesus and god give you that excuse!  Keep posting on covers instead of giving your computer to a school child in EG.

    Dope.

    All the suffering there is from the hands of man. The country has oppresive leaders and that's why the people suffer.

    Also do you always have to be so mean-spirited? You are just not a friendly person. You need to check that character of yours and give it a tune-up.

    A gentle answer deflects anger, but harsh words make tempers flare. ---Proverbs 15:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Why do you care?  You live in the land of plenty.  You have a car and a house.  Your god says it is all just fine and dandy that you have everything and they have nothing.  You get upset when you cant pay your mortgage.  You have no idea what its like to have to steal to feed your kids.

    But Jesus loves them!  Just as much as he loves you (well, not quite as much, but who is counting).  Keep going on with your life ignoring everyone else in the world - Jesus and god give you that excuse!  Keep posting on covers instead of giving your computer to a school child in EG.

    Dope.

    All the suffering there is from the hands of man. The country has oppresive leaders and that's why the people suffer.

    Also do you always have to be so mean-spirited? You are just not a friendly person. You need to check that character of yours and give it a tune-up.

    A gentle answer deflects anger, but harsh words make tempers flare. ---Proverbs 15:1

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     

     
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    Correction: All the suffering there is from the hands of man. The country has oppressive leaders and that's why the people suffer.

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    Correction: All the suffering there is from the hands of man. The country has oppressive leaders and that's why the people suffer.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    All the suffering there is from the hands of man. The country has oppresive leaders and that's why the people suffer.

    Also do you always have to be so mean-spirited? You are just not a friendly person. You need to check that character of yours and give it a tune-up.

    A gentle answer deflects anger, but harsh words make tempers flare. ---Proverbs 15:1

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     

    So what have you done about it?  Really.  What have you done to alleviate the suffering of your fellow man?  While you were totally entrenched in your me me me religion - did you forget that Jesus commanded you to help the disadvantaged?

    Why are you typing on a computer, while classrooms of 50 kids would kill for a single computer?  Why dont you do something about that?

    You know why?  Because you dont really believe.  You dont fully believe it all.  You are fine sitting in your living room on your computer posting at covers under the guise of "Im spreading the word of jesus on covers!".  Dont you think your computer would be better served helping children in Africa?  WWJD?

    You are a phony christian.  You use it as a rationalization for the life you want to live - you pick out verses that fit your lifestyle and ignore the rest that dont.  How do you sleep at night?

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    All the suffering there is from the hands of man. The country has oppresive leaders and that's why the people suffer.

    Also do you always have to be so mean-spirited? You are just not a friendly person. You need to check that character of yours and give it a tune-up.

    A gentle answer deflects anger, but harsh words make tempers flare. ---Proverbs 15:1

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     

    So what have you done about it?  Really.  What have you done to alleviate the suffering of your fellow man?  While you were totally entrenched in your me me me religion - did you forget that Jesus commanded you to help the disadvantaged?

    Why are you typing on a computer, while classrooms of 50 kids would kill for a single computer?  Why dont you do something about that?

    You know why?  Because you dont really believe.  You dont fully believe it all.  You are fine sitting in your living room on your computer posting at covers under the guise of "Im spreading the word of jesus on covers!".  Dont you think your computer would be better served helping children in Africa?  WWJD?

    You are a phony christian.  You use it as a rationalization for the life you want to live - you pick out verses that fit your lifestyle and ignore the rest that dont.  How do you sleep at night?

     
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    KittyKatz, in the question of why God created mankind, there are only three possible answers to that question. If we can eliminate two of those possible answers, then what remains must be truth. Then we can expand on that one. This is called the law of exclusion. Whenever you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth. The three options to answer the question are: He was compelled to create man, He needed to create man, or He wanted to create man. Without going into detail in the discount process, it remains that God wasn't compelled, the only reasonable explanation that can be given is that He wanted to. If in the begining, God created the heavens and the earth, day and night, and all the animals on our planet. The culmination of his creation was man, who was given a mind capable of reasoning, thinking, and even creating, although his intellectual powers in comparison with those of God, are limited. Man was made from dust, the basic element of the earth, which of itself is inorganic or without life. From the earth, man can build machines for purpose, that have no life. So, God must have created man with and for a purpose. So, humanity must be created in His likeness, man is not an animal, and has dominion over all creatures. We have to be created after the God kind.

    It is necessary for us to know evil in order for us to eventually choose "good," intelligently and willingly. It is impossible to know good without knowing evil, it is impossible to learn right without understanding what is wrong. Therefore God, Himself provides opposition to truth, in order to bring attention to truth, to clarify truth and to magnify the difference between truth and lies, between good and evil. You state; "for what reason should we have to choose or reject god," and the logic is in the politics of the universe. Satan actually means adversary, and is the opponent, the antagonist, the adversary against God. In the rejection of God, you cast a vote to have leadership of other than Him.

    Some people blame the presence of evil on society. However, society is composed of individuals who make individual choices. Most the evil is committed by people who oppose the will of society. In contrast, there are many examples of societies in the animal kingdom, especially among the primates. None of these societies have the capacity for evil that we do. We are different from all other animals on our planet, a fact that has no scientific or evolutionary explanation. Look at all the evil perpetuated within the last century alone: 6 million person killed by Hitler, 40 million Russians killed by Stalin, 2 million Cambodians killed by their own government during the 1970's. Evil acts committed by humans are so pervasive and extreme that their presence is not explained by childhood abuse, biochemical abnormalities of the brain, or any other naturalistic explanation. Who told you the latter is evil if you are not a spiritual being? The elements of the human body are products of the earth, and we are able to identify these very elements. Where on the periodic chart of elements will you find conscious. Simplicity here is in giving thanks to an intelligent God, not credit to a non-intelligent force. Or is technology holding humans back from identifying the theory of the element(s) that will negate the human spirit. Do you know what gravity, sound waves, love, pain, and, anger have in common? You can feel them but you can't touch them. The same force behind the curtain of the universe is responsible for all of the latter. Rostos, ClubDirt and yourself on the facts of science are all talking about the identical force. The three names used are; Jesus, intelligent force and non-intelligent force.

    But KittyKatz, if the Bible is fantasy like the stories of Harry Potter, lets substitute the Bible for C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia, which has used fantasy and magic. The difference between C.S. Lewis and Harry Potter is the source of power. In The Chronicles of Narnia, the source of power is Aslan, the Lion representation of Jesus Christ. In Harry Potter, the source of power is unknown, but available to those who want to use it. So, the difference between our books is, The Chronicles of Narnia has an intelligent source of power and has a deeper meaning underlining the plot. Aslan the Lion is sacraficed, his blood is shed on the great stone table by the white witch, but Aslan rises from the dead, routs the witch, and then disappears to return at an unspecified later date. Which symbolizes a Christ-like figure. Where as in your book, the "good" guys in Harry Potter are relying upon magic and sorcery instead of God for their power. A non-intelligent force that created wizardry, witchcraft, socery, mediums, spirits and enchantments.

    The duty of science is to determine is the force of the universe: intelligent (Aslan), or non-intelligent (Harry Potter). When you discover that science declares Aslan the power behind the cosmic curtain, you can then refer to that intelligent power as God, Elohim (Hebrew for God), or continue with Aslan, the choice is yours. Then with science again, test all the books that claim to be divine and you will find Gods name. The conjecture God would create a universe and not be requisite for eminence, now thats something aint it. Even Leonardo Da Vinci signed his self-portrait, one would be of conception God who created man in his image would be of equal pertain.

    The reason Hitler was so sick is he was raised a catholic christian and the pope kept reading the book of John chapter 19 over and over until Hitler was a looney person hating racist catholic christian!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    KittyKatz, in the question of why God created mankind, there are only three possible answers to that question. If we can eliminate two of those possible answers, then what remains must be truth. Then we can expand on that one. This is called the law of exclusion. Whenever you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth. The three options to answer the question are: He was compelled to create man, He needed to create man, or He wanted to create man. Without going into detail in the discount process, it remains that God wasn't compelled, the only reasonable explanation that can be given is that He wanted to. If in the begining, God created the heavens and the earth, day and night, and all the animals on our planet. The culmination of his creation was man, who was given a mind capable of reasoning, thinking, and even creating, although his intellectual powers in comparison with those of God, are limited. Man was made from dust, the basic element of the earth, which of itself is inorganic or without life. From the earth, man can build machines for purpose, that have no life. So, God must have created man with and for a purpose. So, humanity must be created in His likeness, man is not an animal, and has dominion over all creatures. We have to be created after the God kind.

    It is necessary for us to know evil in order for us to eventually choose "good," intelligently and willingly. It is impossible to know good without knowing evil, it is impossible to learn right without understanding what is wrong. Therefore God, Himself provides opposition to truth, in order to bring attention to truth, to clarify truth and to magnify the difference between truth and lies, between good and evil. You state; "for what reason should we have to choose or reject god," and the logic is in the politics of the universe. Satan actually means adversary, and is the opponent, the antagonist, the adversary against God. In the rejection of God, you cast a vote to have leadership of other than Him.

    Some people blame the presence of evil on society. However, society is composed of individuals who make individual choices. Most the evil is committed by people who oppose the will of society. In contrast, there are many examples of societies in the animal kingdom, especially among the primates. None of these societies have the capacity for evil that we do. We are different from all other animals on our planet, a fact that has no scientific or evolutionary explanation. Look at all the evil perpetuated within the last century alone: 6 million person killed by Hitler, 40 million Russians killed by Stalin, 2 million Cambodians killed by their own government during the 1970's. Evil acts committed by humans are so pervasive and extreme that their presence is not explained by childhood abuse, biochemical abnormalities of the brain, or any other naturalistic explanation. Who told you the latter is evil if you are not a spiritual being? The elements of the human body are products of the earth, and we are able to identify these very elements. Where on the periodic chart of elements will you find conscious. Simplicity here is in giving thanks to an intelligent God, not credit to a non-intelligent force. Or is technology holding humans back from identifying the theory of the element(s) that will negate the human spirit. Do you know what gravity, sound waves, love, pain, and, anger have in common? You can feel them but you can't touch them. The same force behind the curtain of the universe is responsible for all of the latter. Rostos, ClubDirt and yourself on the facts of science are all talking about the identical force. The three names used are; Jesus, intelligent force and non-intelligent force.

    But KittyKatz, if the Bible is fantasy like the stories of Harry Potter, lets substitute the Bible for C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia, which has used fantasy and magic. The difference between C.S. Lewis and Harry Potter is the source of power. In The Chronicles of Narnia, the source of power is Aslan, the Lion representation of Jesus Christ. In Harry Potter, the source of power is unknown, but available to those who want to use it. So, the difference between our books is, The Chronicles of Narnia has an intelligent source of power and has a deeper meaning underlining the plot. Aslan the Lion is sacraficed, his blood is shed on the great stone table by the white witch, but Aslan rises from the dead, routs the witch, and then disappears to return at an unspecified later date. Which symbolizes a Christ-like figure. Where as in your book, the "good" guys in Harry Potter are relying upon magic and sorcery instead of God for their power. A non-intelligent force that created wizardry, witchcraft, socery, mediums, spirits and enchantments.

    The duty of science is to determine is the force of the universe: intelligent (Aslan), or non-intelligent (Harry Potter). When you discover that science declares Aslan the power behind the cosmic curtain, you can then refer to that intelligent power as God, Elohim (Hebrew for God), or continue with Aslan, the choice is yours. Then with science again, test all the books that claim to be divine and you will find Gods name. The conjecture God would create a universe and not be requisite for eminence, now thats something aint it. Even Leonardo Da Vinci signed his self-portrait, one would be of conception God who created man in his image would be of equal pertain.

    The reason Hitler was so sick is he was raised a catholic christian and the pope kept reading the book of John chapter 19 over and over until Hitler was a looney person hating racist catholic christian!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    So what have you done about it?  Really.  What have you done to alleviate the suffering of your fellow man?  While you were totally entrenched in your me me me religion - did you forget that Jesus commanded you to help the disadvantaged?

    Why are you typing on a computer, while classrooms of 50 kids would kill for a single computer?  Why dont you do something about that?

    You know why?  Because you dont really believe.  You dont fully believe it all.  You are fine sitting in your living room on your computer posting at covers under the guise of "Im spreading the word of jesus on covers!".  Dont you think your computer would be better served helping children in Africa?  WWJD?

    You are a phony christian.  You use it as a rationalization for the life you want to live - you pick out verses that fit your lifestyle and ignore the rest that dont.  How do you sleep at night?

    I give charitable donations every month to Compassion International, which disperses money wherever needed in the world.

    Some people are greedy for more, but the godly love to give!----Proverbs 21:26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    So what have you done about it?  Really.  What have you done to alleviate the suffering of your fellow man?  While you were totally entrenched in your me me me religion - did you forget that Jesus commanded you to help the disadvantaged?

    Why are you typing on a computer, while classrooms of 50 kids would kill for a single computer?  Why dont you do something about that?

    You know why?  Because you dont really believe.  You dont fully believe it all.  You are fine sitting in your living room on your computer posting at covers under the guise of "Im spreading the word of jesus on covers!".  Dont you think your computer would be better served helping children in Africa?  WWJD?

    You are a phony christian.  You use it as a rationalization for the life you want to live - you pick out verses that fit your lifestyle and ignore the rest that dont.  How do you sleep at night?

    I give charitable donations every month to Compassion International, which disperses money wherever needed in the world.

    Some people are greedy for more, but the godly love to give!----Proverbs 21:26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I give charitable donations every month to Compassion International, which disperses money wherever needed in the world.

    Some people are greedy for more, but the godly love to give!----Proverbs 21:26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    Im sure that giving a very small percentage of your relative riches makes you feel good - and rationalizes your idiotic belief that you are pleasing your god - but that aint what jesus commanded you to do.

    It is pathetic that you even write that in response.  Super.  You give some money to charity.  Big fucking deal.  Why dont you go tomorrow, ship your computer to an african school, quit your job, and go spend some TIME volunteering for a charity?  Thats what Jesus would do.  Why dont you?  Why do you do such a relatively miniscule amount?

    I know why.  Because you dont believe, and you are a lousy representative of Jesus.  And you should be ashamed that you pretend to be a believer, but refuse to do anything that brings you outside of your incredibly comfortable life.  Im sure the kids in those schools in africa are thrilled that you give money to charity, while living a comparitvely extravagant lifestyle - while they struggle every day to eat and get an education.

    You are pathetic.  And if there is a jesus, he would condemn you to hell.  Fake.

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    I give charitable donations every month to Compassion International, which disperses money wherever needed in the world.

    Some people are greedy for more, but the godly love to give!----Proverbs 21:26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    Im sure that giving a very small percentage of your relative riches makes you feel good - and rationalizes your idiotic belief that you are pleasing your god - but that aint what jesus commanded you to do.

    It is pathetic that you even write that in response.  Super.  You give some money to charity.  Big fucking deal.  Why dont you go tomorrow, ship your computer to an african school, quit your job, and go spend some TIME volunteering for a charity?  Thats what Jesus would do.  Why dont you?  Why do you do such a relatively miniscule amount?

    I know why.  Because you dont believe, and you are a lousy representative of Jesus.  And you should be ashamed that you pretend to be a believer, but refuse to do anything that brings you outside of your incredibly comfortable life.  Im sure the kids in those schools in africa are thrilled that you give money to charity, while living a comparitvely extravagant lifestyle - while they struggle every day to eat and get an education.

    You are pathetic.  And if there is a jesus, he would condemn you to hell.  Fake.

     
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    drake, if and when you do go to africa, just make sure you don't give out any condoms to those folks.  i'm not sure exactly what the bible says about condoms, but i know the pope isn't into them.  
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    drake, if and when you do go to africa, just make sure you don't give out any condoms to those folks.  i'm not sure exactly what the bible says about condoms, but i know the pope isn't into them.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Im sure that giving a very small percentage of your relative riches makes you feel good - and rationalizes your idiotic belief that you are pleasing your god - but that aint what jesus commanded you to do.

    It is pathetic that you even write that in response.  Super.  You give some money to charity.  Big fucking deal.  Why dont you go tomorrow, ship your computer to an african school, quit your job, and go spend some TIME volunteering for a charity?  Thats what Jesus would do.  Why dont you?  Why do you do such a relatively miniscule amount?

    I know why.  Because you dont believe, and you are a lousy representative of Jesus.  And you should be ashamed that you pretend to be a believer, but refuse to do anything that brings you outside of your incredibly comfortable life.  Im sure the kids in those schools in africa are thrilled that you give money to charity, while living a comparitvely extravagant lifestyle - while they struggle every day to eat and get an education.

    You are pathetic.  And if there is a jesus, he would condemn you to hell.  Fake.

    Don't forget to read  my Part 8 of 23 tomorrow brother van, about why you were born.

    And before you go to bed remember to say your prayers.

    The way of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, which shines ever brighter until the full light of the day. ---Proverbs 4:18

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Im sure that giving a very small percentage of your relative riches makes you feel good - and rationalizes your idiotic belief that you are pleasing your god - but that aint what jesus commanded you to do.

    It is pathetic that you even write that in response.  Super.  You give some money to charity.  Big fucking deal.  Why dont you go tomorrow, ship your computer to an african school, quit your job, and go spend some TIME volunteering for a charity?  Thats what Jesus would do.  Why dont you?  Why do you do such a relatively miniscule amount?

    I know why.  Because you dont believe, and you are a lousy representative of Jesus.  And you should be ashamed that you pretend to be a believer, but refuse to do anything that brings you outside of your incredibly comfortable life.  Im sure the kids in those schools in africa are thrilled that you give money to charity, while living a comparitvely extravagant lifestyle - while they struggle every day to eat and get an education.

    You are pathetic.  And if there is a jesus, he would condemn you to hell.  Fake.

    Don't forget to read  my Part 8 of 23 tomorrow brother van, about why you were born.

    And before you go to bed remember to say your prayers.

    The way of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, which shines ever brighter until the full light of the day. ---Proverbs 4:18

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Don't forget to read  my Part 8 of 23 tomorrow brother van, about why you were born.

    And before you go to bed remember to say your prayers.

    The way of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, which shines ever brighter until the full light of the day. ---Proverbs 4:18

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

    You are a pathetic hypocrite.  Your god is ashamed of you.

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    Don't forget to read  my Part 8 of 23 tomorrow brother van, about why you were born.

    And before you go to bed remember to say your prayers.

    The way of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, which shines ever brighter until the full light of the day. ---Proverbs 4:18

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

    You are a pathetic hypocrite.  Your god is ashamed of you.

     
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    Aerial - I read the first paragraph of your response, but then I stopped reading, not out of disrespect, but because I presume the rest of it expanded on each of your 3 options. All 3 of your options can EASILY be wrong. For example, a 4th option: God did not create the universe.

    Ok, after posting that paragraph, I went on to read some more. The reason Harry Potter is just as reliable as the bible is because the story is fiction. That is my point when comparing the bible to Harry Potter. The bible is a FICTITIOUS book based on some characters who likely were real. Did Moses exist? Absolutely. Did he part the reed sea with his staff? No fucking way.

    But on a much, much simpler note. Look at the great detail you went into to explain why god created the universe. You had to follow up rationalization after rationalization with comparisons and false evidence. All I have to say is, god didn't create the universe. And I really don't have to provide much evidence at all simply because by asking you and Rostos and SJD to do it, you constantly shoot yourselves in the foot. It is so difficult for you to try and prove that a god exists. The inherent nature of that difficulty is overwhelming evidence for the lack of a supreme being.
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    Aerial - I read the first paragraph of your response, but then I stopped reading, not out of disrespect, but because I presume the rest of it expanded on each of your 3 options. All 3 of your options can EASILY be wrong. For example, a 4th option: God did not create the universe.

    Ok, after posting that paragraph, I went on to read some more. The reason Harry Potter is just as reliable as the bible is because the story is fiction. That is my point when comparing the bible to Harry Potter. The bible is a FICTITIOUS book based on some characters who likely were real. Did Moses exist? Absolutely. Did he part the reed sea with his staff? No fucking way.

    But on a much, much simpler note. Look at the great detail you went into to explain why god created the universe. You had to follow up rationalization after rationalization with comparisons and false evidence. All I have to say is, god didn't create the universe. And I really don't have to provide much evidence at all simply because by asking you and Rostos and SJD to do it, you constantly shoot yourselves in the foot. It is so difficult for you to try and prove that a god exists. The inherent nature of that difficulty is overwhelming evidence for the lack of a supreme being.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Aerial - I read the first paragraph of your response, but then I stopped reading, not out of disrespect, but because I presume the rest of it expanded on each of your 3 options. All 3 of your options can EASILY be wrong. For example, a 4th option: God did not create the universe.

    Ok, after posting that paragraph, I went on to read some more. The reason Harry Potter is just as reliable as the bible is because the story is fiction. That is my point when comparing the bible to Harry Potter. The bible is a FICTITIOUS book based on some characters who likely were real. Did Moses exist? Absolutely. Did he part the reed sea with his staff? No fucking way.

    But on a much, much simpler note. Look at the great detail you went into to explain why god created the universe. You had to follow up rationalization after rationalization with comparisons and false evidence. All I have to say is, god didn't create the universe. And I really don't have to provide much evidence at all simply because by asking you and Rostos and SJD to do it, you constantly shoot yourselves in the foot. It is so difficult for you to try and prove that a god exists. The inherent nature of that difficulty is overwhelming evidence for the lack of a supreme being.

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    Aerial - I read the first paragraph of your response, but then I stopped reading, not out of disrespect, but because I presume the rest of it expanded on each of your 3 options. All 3 of your options can EASILY be wrong. For example, a 4th option: God did not create the universe.

    Ok, after posting that paragraph, I went on to read some more. The reason Harry Potter is just as reliable as the bible is because the story is fiction. That is my point when comparing the bible to Harry Potter. The bible is a FICTITIOUS book based on some characters who likely were real. Did Moses exist? Absolutely. Did he part the reed sea with his staff? No fucking way.

    But on a much, much simpler note. Look at the great detail you went into to explain why god created the universe. You had to follow up rationalization after rationalization with comparisons and false evidence. All I have to say is, god didn't create the universe. And I really don't have to provide much evidence at all simply because by asking you and Rostos and SJD to do it, you constantly shoot yourselves in the foot. It is so difficult for you to try and prove that a god exists. The inherent nature of that difficulty is overwhelming evidence for the lack of a supreme being.

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 10:29 PM ET #920

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Aerial - I read the first paragraph of your response, but then I stopped reading, not out of disrespect, but because I presume the rest of it expanded on each of your 3 options. All 3 of your options can EASILY be wrong. For example, a 4th option: God did not create the universe.

    Ok, after posting that paragraph, I went on to read some more. The reason Harry Potter is just as reliable as the bible is because the story is fiction. That is my point when comparing the bible to Harry Potter. The bible is a FICTITIOUS book based on some characters who likely were real. Did Moses exist? Absolutely. Did he part the reed sea with his staff? No fucking way.

    But on a much, much simpler note. Look at the great detail you went into to explain why god created the universe. You had to follow up rationalization after rationalization with comparisons and false evidence. All I have to say is, god didn't create the universe. And I really don't have to provide much evidence at all simply because by asking you and Rostos and SJD to do it, you constantly shoot yourselves in the foot. It is so difficult for you to try and prove that a god exists. The inherent nature of that difficulty is overwhelming evidence for the lack of a supreme being.

    all sense of logic died very early in aerial's post with his "only three options" approach.

    why should the bible and the harry potter books be comparable?  i haven't read the harry potter books but i understand they contain much less evil, slavery, misogyny, violence, mass murder, etc.  wouldn't the harry potter books be plausible and a much better guide for people than the bible which contains all that and more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Aerial - I read the first paragraph of your response, but then I stopped reading, not out of disrespect, but because I presume the rest of it expanded on each of your 3 options. All 3 of your options can EASILY be wrong. For example, a 4th option: God did not create the universe.

    Ok, after posting that paragraph, I went on to read some more. The reason Harry Potter is just as reliable as the bible is because the story is fiction. That is my point when comparing the bible to Harry Potter. The bible is a FICTITIOUS book based on some characters who likely were real. Did Moses exist? Absolutely. Did he part the reed sea with his staff? No fucking way.

    But on a much, much simpler note. Look at the great detail you went into to explain why god created the universe. You had to follow up rationalization after rationalization with comparisons and false evidence. All I have to say is, god didn't create the universe. And I really don't have to provide much evidence at all simply because by asking you and Rostos and SJD to do it, you constantly shoot yourselves in the foot. It is so difficult for you to try and prove that a god exists. The inherent nature of that difficulty is overwhelming evidence for the lack of a supreme being.

    all sense of logic died very early in aerial's post with his "only three options" approach.

    why should the bible and the harry potter books be comparable?  i haven't read the harry potter books but i understand they contain much less evil, slavery, misogyny, violence, mass murder, etc.  wouldn't the harry potter books be plausible and a much better guide for people than the bible which contains all that and more?
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 11:12 PM ET #921

    The entire story of Harry Potter is good vs evil, which seems to be the main argument aerial is making. The purpose of the universe was to conquer evil. That's the underlying theme throughout all 7 Harry Potter books. The lessons derived from both books are the same. The difference is Harry Potter books don't advocate slavery or killing your first born child to serve some imaginary being.
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    The entire story of Harry Potter is good vs evil, which seems to be the main argument aerial is making. The purpose of the universe was to conquer evil. That's the underlying theme throughout all 7 Harry Potter books. The lessons derived from both books are the same. The difference is Harry Potter books don't advocate slavery or killing your first born child to serve some imaginary being.
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2011 - 11:16 PM ET #922

    i'm sold.

    harry potter books > the bible

    but seriously, and not trying to be negative, but if people are going to live their lives based on a book, i can't understand why they choose a book with so much much violence and hatred.  
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    i'm sold.

    harry potter books > the bible

    but seriously, and not trying to be negative, but if people are going to live their lives based on a book, i can't understand why they choose a book with so much much violence and hatred.  
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2011 - 12:58 AM ET #923

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i'm sold.

    harry potter books > the bible

    but seriously, and not trying to be negative, but if people are going to live their lives based on a book, i can't understand why they choose a book with so much much violence and hatred.  

    Just answer the question with a yes or no.

    No ifs or buts or counter questions, just a simple yes or no.

    If everyone on the planet followed the 10 commandments to the letter of the law, would the world be a better place or not?

    Would there be a need for police? Would there be a need for courts? Would there be a need for jails? Would there be a need for theft insurance? Woudl there be a need for guns? Would there be a need for you to close and lock your doors and windows at night?

    If there is no God, then morals are subjective, each person decides what is right and wrong. if there is no Supreme law giver, then each person decides what is right and wrong.

    Remember, science is morally neutral. It therefore becomes one persons opinion of what is good compared to the other.

    If i think raping little kids is ok, then that is my opinion, you are you to say it is not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i'm sold.

    harry potter books > the bible

    but seriously, and not trying to be negative, but if people are going to live their lives based on a book, i can't understand why they choose a book with so much much violence and hatred.  

    Just answer the question with a yes or no.

    No ifs or buts or counter questions, just a simple yes or no.

    If everyone on the planet followed the 10 commandments to the letter of the law, would the world be a better place or not?

    Would there be a need for police? Would there be a need for courts? Would there be a need for jails? Would there be a need for theft insurance? Woudl there be a need for guns? Would there be a need for you to close and lock your doors and windows at night?

    If there is no God, then morals are subjective, each person decides what is right and wrong. if there is no Supreme law giver, then each person decides what is right and wrong.

    Remember, science is morally neutral. It therefore becomes one persons opinion of what is good compared to the other.

    If i think raping little kids is ok, then that is my opinion, you are you to say it is not?

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2011 - 1:14 AM ET #924

    NO MATTER WHAT, morals are subjective, so that argument is null. People can never follow the 10 commandments to the letter of the law because they have the potential to conflict with each other.

    Let me ask you this. If we discovered with 100% certainty there was no god for any religion, do you think there would as much crime? as much hatred? as much war? would there be ANY hate crimes at all?

    As Albert Einstein said, "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE." Morals are no exception.
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    NO MATTER WHAT, morals are subjective, so that argument is null. People can never follow the 10 commandments to the letter of the law because they have the potential to conflict with each other.

    Let me ask you this. If we discovered with 100% certainty there was no god for any religion, do you think there would as much crime? as much hatred? as much war? would there be ANY hate crimes at all?

    As Albert Einstein said, "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE." Morals are no exception.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2011 - 1:45 AM ET #925

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    NO MATTER WHAT, morals are subjective, so that argument is null. People can never follow the 10 commandments to the letter of the law because they have the potential to conflict with each other.

    Let me ask you this. If we discovered with 100% certainty there was no god for any religion, do you think there would as much crime? as much hatred? as much war? would there be ANY hate crimes at all?

    As Albert Einstein said, "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE." Morals are no exception.

    If a Group of men, raped a 8 year old girl, then pissed and shat in her face, then after cut her nipples off and then cut her genitals off...

    What those men did, is that absolutely wrong or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    NO MATTER WHAT, morals are subjective, so that argument is null. People can never follow the 10 commandments to the letter of the law because they have the potential to conflict with each other.

    Let me ask you this. If we discovered with 100% certainty there was no god for any religion, do you think there would as much crime? as much hatred? as much war? would there be ANY hate crimes at all?

    As Albert Einstein said, "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE." Morals are no exception.

    If a Group of men, raped a 8 year old girl, then pissed and shat in her face, then after cut her nipples off and then cut her genitals off...

    What those men did, is that absolutely wrong or not?

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