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#951
But System, don't know you already, God isn't everyone's personal genie. Duh.
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Post your tough questions in here regarding Christianity
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#952
Why Were You BORN?
Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!
Part 8 of 23. Man Is Physical
In Genesis 2:7, it is plainly stated: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man (physical matter) became a living soul."
When God caused breath---air---to be breathed through man's nostrils, that man---composed of physical matter from the ground---became a soul. The soul is composed of matter---not of spirit.
That's not what most people believe. But it is what the Bible says! Further it says: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die" (Ezek. 18:4). That is so important it is stated twice, for emphasis: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die" (Ezek. 18:20).
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Posted:
#953
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Why Were You BORN?
Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!
Part 8 of 23. Man Is Physical
In Genesis 2:7, it is plainly stated: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man (physical matter) became a living soul."
When God caused breath---air---to be breathed through man's nostrils, that man---composed of physical matter from the ground---became a soul. The soul is composed of matter---not of spirit.
That's not what most people believe. But it is what the Bible says! Further it says: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die" (Ezek. 18:4). That is so important it is stated twice, for emphasis: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die" (Ezek. 18:20).
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Posted:
#955
Christianity
Christianity teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, God having become human and the savior of humanity.
Christianity began as a Jewish sect in the mid- 1st century. Originating in the eastern Mediterranean coast of the Middle East (modern Israel and Palestine), it quickly spread to Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and Egypt, it grew in size and influence over a few decades, and by the 4th century had become the dominant religion within the Roman Empire.
During the Middle Ages, most of the remainder of Europe was Christianized, with Christians also being a sometimes large religious minority in the Middle East, North Africa, Ethiopia and parst of India.
Following the Age of Discovery, through missionary work and colonization, Christianity spread to the Americas, Australasia, sub Saharan Africa and the rest of the world.
In order to follow Jesus' command to serve others, Christians established hospitals, churches, schools, charities, orphanages, homeless shelters, and universities in the areas in which Christians spread Christianity.
As of the early 21st century, Christianity has approx. 2.2 billion adherents. Christianity represents about a quarter to a third of the world's population and is the world's largest religion. Christianity is the state religion of several countries.
Riches won't help on the day of judgment, but right living can save you from death. ---Proverbs 11:4
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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Well that sucks!
Posted:
#957
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Christianity
Christianity teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, God having become human and the savior of humanity.
Christianity began as a Jewish sect in the mid- 1st century. Originating in the eastern Mediterranean coast of the Middle East (modern Israel and Palestine), it quickly spread to Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and Egypt, it grew in size and influence over a few decades, and by the 4th century had become the dominant religion within the Roman Empire.
During the Middle Ages, most of the remainder of Europe was Christianized, with Christians also being a sometimes large religious minority in the Middle East, North Africa, Ethiopia and parst of India.
Following the Age of Discovery, through missionary work and colonization, Christianity spread to the Americas, Australasia, sub Saharan Africa and the rest of the world.
In order to follow Jesus' command to serve others, Christians established hospitals, churches, schools, charities, orphanages, homeless shelters, and universities in the areas in which Christians spread Christianity.
As of the early 21st century, Christianity has approx. 2.2 billion adherents. Christianity represents about a quarter to a third of the world's population and is the world's largest religion. Christianity is the state religion of several countries.
Riches won't help on the day of judgment, but right living can save you from death. ---Proverbs 11:4
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
Get them while they're young
"Train a child in the way they should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it."
Proverbs 22:6
Guess that isn't always true...
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#958
And as of the middle ages, 99% of the people on earth thought the Earth was flat. What an asshole god is? All these people going around thinking the Earth is flat, when it's actually round and this douche bag named God knows the truth but he intentionally conceals it from everyone.
Thou shalt not lie.
Willfully omitting the truth is equivalent to lying. God should know that. But he's one pompous asshole who thought it was was funny and waited a few hundred years until we figured it out on our own.
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Posted:
#959
Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:
Get them while they're young
"Train a child in the way they should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it."
Proverbs 22:6
Guess that isn't always true...
I was raised Jewish, went to Sunday School, had a Bar mitzvah. This was all injected into my head when I was young. I believed in god...then a strange thing happened. I started to think. And when I started to think (on my own, no outside influence), I realized what a bunch of horseshit this was. I proceeded with my bar mitzvah out of respect to my parents and that is the last time I have ever set foot in a temple.
And I can guarantee I'm not the only one who was raised to believe in god but saw the lunacy in it on his own I grew older. So, if one proverb is a blatant, outright LIE (thou shalt not lie, looks like SJD just did, surely he's condemned to hell for all eternity now, right?), that means it's possible the entire story is bullshit...right?
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#960
"There is so much suffering."
This is not the world as God planned it ---the world that He said was "very good" (Gen. 1:31). It is the world in which man has spread his sin.
"According to what I have seen, those who plow iniquity And those who sow trouble harvest it" (Job 4:8).
God has provided an alternative. "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom. 6:23).
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
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#961
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
I was raised Jewish, went to Sunday School, had a Bar mitzvah. This was all injected into my head when I was young. I believed in god...then a strange thing happened. I started to think. And when I started to think (on my own, no outside influence), I realized what a bunch of horseshit this was. I proceeded with my bar mitzvah out of respect to my parents and that is the last time I have ever set foot in a temple.
And I can guarantee I'm not the only one who was raised to believe in god but saw the lunacy in it on his own I grew older. So, if one proverb is a blatant, outright LIE (thou shalt not lie, looks like SJD just did, surely he's condemned to hell for all eternity now, right?), that means it's possible the entire story is bullshit...right?
20 years as a catholic, catholic school until High School and my whole family is catholic..
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Posted:
#963
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
"There is so much suffering."
This is not the world as God planned it ---the world that He said was "very good" (Gen. 1:31). It is the world in which man has spread his sin.
"According to what I have seen, those who plow iniquity And those who sow trouble harvest it" (Job 4:8).
God has provided an alternative. "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom. 6:23).
Praise the Lord Almighty!!
Wait a minute...the world is NOT god's plan. But I thought that everything that happens is part of god's plan? Something's not adding up. If something happens that deviates from god's plan, why doesn't he fix it? After all, he is god...right? All-powerful? Not the god I know. The god I know is a little bitch who doesn't have the power to do anything.
Eternal life in Jesus...hmm...so I guess this can't be the afterlife, then. That is something I can say with 100% certainty. Because, as we've already established, by definition, the word "after" when referring to an event means that an event occurred and then that event ended and another began. For example: you live, your life ends, then something happens after life... but also, by definition, it CANNOT be life because if it is life, it ceases to be AFTER life, but rather, a continuance of life. So once again, god is violating his own commandment of thou shalt not lie by blatantly lying to the entire world in his "proverbs" of bullshit.
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Posted:
#964
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
I'm not trying to claim that what occurred in your example is right by any means. I'm not trying to claim Andrew Bynum is better than Dwight Howard. I'm claiming that absolute morals cannot possibly exist. To the same extent that 2+2 can NEVER equal any number other than 4, morals can NEVER be absolute because theyre based on what a group of people think is "right." In your example, that is as close as you can come to absolute morals because in my opinion, every single human being on the planet would agree that that is wrong. So, subjective to all humans, that is a moral everyone would agree on, but that doesn't make it absolute, just subjective to everyone. There is a difference.
There you have it, you cannot have it both ways.
If one moral is absolute then morals CAN be absolute.
So you are here gonna sit down and tell me that the example i gave about the little girl is NOT absolutely wrong?
If NOT, then i am afraid me saying that sucked shit to the girl and what happened to the girl is a good thing, good on those guys is no different at all to saying that Andrew Bynum is a better player than Dwight Howard.
Just one persons subjective opinion over the others, neither is absolutely right or wrong.
So according to you, if i posted my comments to according to the little girl, everyone is limited to saying, "well, in my opinion what happened to the little is bad, but if you think what happened to her is good then i have to respect that", thats fine. Afer all, there is no such thing as absolute morals.
Does that potential discussion sound rational and plausable to you? Really?
I urge you to have a really really good think about it.
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Posted:
#965
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
There you have it, you cannot have it both ways.
If one moral is absolute then morals CAN be absolute.
So you are here gonna sit down and tell me that the example i gave about the little girl is NOT absolutely wrong?
If NOT, then i am afraid me saying that sucked shit to the girl and what happened to the girl is a good thing, good on those guys is no different at all to saying that Andrew Bynum is a better player than Dwight Howard.
Just one persons subjective opinion over the others, neither is absolutely right or wrong.
So according to you, if i posted my comments to according to the little girl, everyone is limited to saying, "well, in my opinion what happened to the little is bad, but if you think what happened to her is good then i have to respect that", thats fine. Afer all, there is no such thing as absolute morals.
Does that potential discussion sound rational and plausable to you? Really?
I urge you to have a really really good think about it.
Morals can NEVER be absolute. If you truly believe that what you said about that girl is acceptable given certain circumstances surrounding your life and your existence, then who am I to tell you that you are wrong. All I can say is that I disagree with your morals, but I cannot say with absoluteness that your morals are wrong because there cannot possibly be absolute morality.
If millions of people disagree with you then there is an overwhelmingly strong argument that your moral values are wrong and you should reconsider, but it is still relative to what those millions of people think. You are just changing your morals RELATIVE to something other than what you previously based them on. No matter what way you look at it, morality is relative because what any individual thinks is right or wrong is based on something; whatever that something is can vary from person to person, thus...RELATIVE.
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#966
Lets do a role play to see how it really turns out....Lets pretend i post this story in a new thread and i comment below it.
News Item
Girl raped, attacked and murdered
"Police are uncovering a horrific attack on a 8 year old school girl who was sexually assaulted by a group of 4 men. After she was sexually attacked, the offenders, cut off her nipples and cut out her genitals to which then they urinated on her face. After that they threw her off a cliff and killed her"
Guys, what happened to that little girl, sucked in to her, those guys, well done. I completely agree with them. Good stuff.
Thoughts are welcolme...
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#967
Here's what would happen. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU. And that is the answer you want me to give you. But that doesn't change anything. I don't see how this furthers your argument at all. You would be questioned as to why you agree with what they did. You would (obviously for the purpose of the hypothetical) justify your beliefs. Everyone would say you are wrong. What is your point? How does this benefit your argument in any way?
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#968
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
To continue this:
Rostos and SJD - if morals are absolute, and the Ten commandments are absolute:
Why is it OK to kill Bin Laden? Its not, who said it was ?
If you had a chance to kill Hitler in 1938, is that a violation of the 10 commandments? Nope, i wouldnt kill anyone.
Is it OK to steal food in order to not die of starvation? Nope, no one has an excuse to steal, anyone get a job. That is a cheap excuse.
How can capitalism exist without coveting? I have no idea what you mean
Is it OK to lie in order to save a bunch of people from dying? Are those people who are dying really guilty of what they did?
Would it be OK to lie to your captors if you were a POW? Explain further.
Is it OK to lie to Mom and Dad if they are forcing you to kill someone? Yes, a murder is worse than a lie. God knows when judging that 2 evils were involved here. So i would say yes.
Is it OK to not honor the Sabbath if you have to work that day? Yes, if you leave another day holy, ie, your day off.
Start with those and tell me how those are NOT subjective. Please. I am begging you to not ignore this as usual and respond.
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#969
Quote
originally posted by ClubDirt:
i have no fuckin clue what that God is, but i also don't see what i would waste a bunch of time worry about it since i'm fairly confident that details of this God won't be dioscovered for many, many years (if the religious nuts don't blow this planet up first), if ever.
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ClubDirt, US foreign policy has been aggressive, reckless, belligerent, interventionist, and meddling. US foreign policy sows discord among nations, stirs up strife where none existed, intensifies the hatred that many foreigners around the world have for Americans and each other, and creates terrorists faster than we can control them.
Now, I make no apologies for Osama bin Laden. I deplore any acts of terrorism he may have planned, instigated, attempted, inspired, or carried out. I repudiate his religion, his invective, and any evil he may have thought, spoken, or performed. Though, the war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan is not avenging the 9/11 attacks.
Over 2,000 Pakistani have been slain in CIA drone strikes in the past 5 years, with the vast majority of them innocent civilians. Over 75% of them were killed in the past two years since Obama took office. The identical situation continues in Egypt with innocent families being slain by the CIA. The countries former leader, Mubarak, was engineered into power by the US after the killing of long time CIA asset Anwar Sadat. Gen Mubarak was then allowed to rule Egypt like a modern day pharaoh, crushing legitimate political opposition, Murbarak's rigged elections given the nod by Washington, are every bit as agregious as Tunisia's, which the US hailed as a poster-boy for moderation, stability and democracy until it went up in flames. Moderate Arab governments which focus on implementing sustainable economic and human rights policies which benefit the most of their people possible, instead of just the ruling elite, can't replace deposed regimes, when fundamentalist of one type or another are US puppets.
Be it the killing of several innocent civilians in Baghdad by a US helicopter gunship, or the US secretly funding militant ethnic groups in a move for the faliure of diplomatic initiatives. Be it Obama demonstrating his willingness to go to war in Libya without congressional approval and to do so where no imminent threat to the US existed, or AFRICOM, tasked with achieving full-spectrum military dominance over Africa. Be it forcing Eastern European nations into joining NATO for its expansion, or the US armed force chief from the US spearheading NATO for a first strike nuclear option to be used anywhere in the world a threat may rise. Switch the word religious in your quote with American, and that's the international opinion at present. If your feelings are inclined that the majority of Americans would benefit if Christians were to remain silent, granted your wish, would you require not only we return our votes, though, the flag along with our rights, or will you require us to continue to sacrafice our lives where we are asked to serve the flag.
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Posted:
#970
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
Here's what would happen. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU. And that is the answer you want me to give you. But that doesn't change anything. I don't see how this furthers your argument at all. You would be questioned as to why you agree with what they did. You would (obviously for the purpose of the hypothetical) justify your beliefs. Everyone would say you are wrong. What is your point? How does this benefit your argument in any way?
Here's what would happen. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU. And that is the answer you want me to give you. But that doesn't change anything. I don't see how this furthers your argument at all. You would be questioned as to why you agree with what they did. You would (obviously for the purpose of the hypothetical) justify your beliefs. Everyone would say you are wrong. What is your point? How does this benefit your argument in any way?
Aghh, u see how it completely breaks down.
The conversations after i posted the comments would be limited to be,
Rostos, "i dont agree with your thoughts, however, you are not absolutely wrong thinking what happened to that girl is wrong about those thougts and we arent absolutely right about them,".
Thats what the conversation will be limited to and there will be no more room for comment.
But think about, is that commentary rational and plausible based on our consience and knowledge of what is right and wrong?
No F###ing way.....
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Posted:
#971
Sorry vanzack, but Rostos completely ignored your questions. He thinks he answered them, but he didn't.
Anyone can get a job? No they can't. Thou shalt not lie, Rostos. You should be condemned to hell for making a false statement like that.
And you're advocating murder. You clearly think it's ok to let yourself die if you can't afford food. That's much better than stealing.
Coveting - look it up in a dictionary
Of course those people who are dying aren't guilty, answer the question based on the hypothetical, stop creating facts, your stupidity is astounding. Either that, or your ability to dodge questions is.
Lying to your captors? How do you need a further explanation. Your miniature brain can't figure out why you may lie? Interrogator: Hey prisoner, where are your friends so we can capture them too. Prisoner: They're at location X (when they're actually at location Y). Does that clear it up for you?
So it's conceivable that you can't abide by all 10 commandments if 2 conflict with each other? You are now creating a hierarchy of commandments. Murder worse than lying, gotcha.
Not honoring the Sabbath? Are you kidding me with this answer? What if you have NO DAYS off. Come on. Do you even try when you answer these questions?
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Posted:
#972
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Aghh, u see how it completely breaks down.
The conversations after i posted the comments would be limited to be,
Rostos, "i dont agree with your thoughts, however, you are not absolutely wrong thinking what happened to that girl is wrong about those thougts and we arent absolutely right about them,".
Thats what the conversation will be limited to and there will be no more room for comment.
But think about, is that commentary rational and plausible based on our consience and knowledge of what is right and wrong?
No F###ing way.....
DEAD ON ROSTOS, DEAD ON. NO FUCKING WAY. 100% correct. Key words: based on our conscience and knowledge of what is right and wrong. EXACTLY. Of course that commentary is not rational and plausible RELATIVE TO OUR CONSCIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG.
game, set, match.
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Posted:
#973
I brought up this example to see your response. I got this example from one your leading atheists - Sam Harris. In his book he disagrees with all of you and says such a thing is objectively wrong.
So now you are disagreeing with one of your leading atheists in this field
One of the great merits of Dr. Harris’ recent book The Moral Landscape is his bold affirmation of the objectivity of moral values and duties. He inveighs against what he calls “the over-educated atheistic moral nihilist[s]” and relativists who refuse to condemn as objectively wrong terrible atrocities like the genital mutilation of little girls.[1] He rightly declares, “If only one person in the world held down a terrified, struggling, screaming little girl, cut off her genitals with a septic blade, and sewed her back up, … the only question would be how severely that person should be punished. …”[2] What is not in question is that such a person has done something horribly, objectively, wrong.
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Posted:
#975
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
I feel this same way all the time.
WOW, so now you thinking you have more intellect that not only one of YOUR leading debaters, but you think you are smarter that someone who has a PHD in neuroscience on this topic?
WOW, u guys have big tickets on yourselves
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