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    Posted: May. 22, 2011 - 2:00 PM ET #726

    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

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    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

    Caca

     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2011 - 2:03 PM ET #727

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

    Caca

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

    Caca

     

     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2011 - 3:40 PM ET #728

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

    Caca




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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

    Caca




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    The Book of 2 Kings

    The author is uncertain, some have suggested Jeremiah or a group of prophets, date written is uncertain, possibly shortly after King Jehoiachin's release in 562 B.C.

    If you have ever seen a salmon struggling to swim upstream, you have an idea of what it was like to be a good king in Israel or Judah. In 2 Kings, most of the kings simply go along with the current of evil. Only a handful struggle to follow the God of Israel, rejecting the idolatry, immorality, and complacency that surrounds them. In order to counter this widespread wickedness the prophets often take center stage in 2 Kings, warning kings and others about the consequences of sin. Ultimately, however, wickedness prevails, and 2 Kings describes two tragedies that changed the face of Israel's history. In 722 B.C. the northern kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians, and in 586 B.C. the southern kingdom of Judah was dismantled by the Babylonians. As in the book of 1 Kings, all these events are interpreted as being the direct result of idolatry and wickedness that pervaded the nations of Israel and Judah.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    The Book of 2 Kings

    The author is uncertain, some have suggested Jeremiah or a group of prophets, date written is uncertain, possibly shortly after King Jehoiachin's release in 562 B.C.

    If you have ever seen a salmon struggling to swim upstream, you have an idea of what it was like to be a good king in Israel or Judah. In 2 Kings, most of the kings simply go along with the current of evil. Only a handful struggle to follow the God of Israel, rejecting the idolatry, immorality, and complacency that surrounds them. In order to counter this widespread wickedness the prophets often take center stage in 2 Kings, warning kings and others about the consequences of sin. Ultimately, however, wickedness prevails, and 2 Kings describes two tragedies that changed the face of Israel's history. In 722 B.C. the northern kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians, and in 586 B.C. the southern kingdom of Judah was dismantled by the Babylonians. As in the book of 1 Kings, all these events are interpreted as being the direct result of idolatry and wickedness that pervaded the nations of Israel and Judah.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2011 - 5:20 PM ET #730

    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 5 of 23. Instinct, Instead of Mind

    By instinct, beavers build dams. But all these dams follow the same pattern. The beaver cannot think out some new, different pattern and make some new and different thing. Ants may form ant hills; gophers, snakes and rodents dig holes; birds build nests. But they always follow the same pattern. There is no originality, no designing of a new idea, no new construction.

    The beaver's dams, the ants' hill, the gopher's, snakes' and rodents' holes, the bird's nests are all made by instinct, not by original design. Take for example an experiment made with weaver birds. For five consecutive generations, weaver birds were kept in a place with no nest-building material available to them. The fifth generation had never seen a nest. But when nest-building materials, along with other materials, were made accessible, the fith generation immediately made nests. And they were weaver-bird nests---not robins' nest or swallows' nests or eagles' nests.

    Evolution cannot adequately account for the fact that even higher animals, equipped as they are with marvelous instinct, lack the unique mind power of man. Nor can it account adequately for the absence of such remarkable instincts in man. Or, for the vast gulf between the powers of animal brain and human mind.

    Man can design and build great dams such as the Grand Coulee in Washington State, in the Pacific Northwest. Man can build great tunnels under mountains or rivers. Man can invent and build automobiles, airplanes, battleships, submarines. Man along, of all God created, is capable of approaching real creative powers.

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    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 5 of 23. Instinct, Instead of Mind

    By instinct, beavers build dams. But all these dams follow the same pattern. The beaver cannot think out some new, different pattern and make some new and different thing. Ants may form ant hills; gophers, snakes and rodents dig holes; birds build nests. But they always follow the same pattern. There is no originality, no designing of a new idea, no new construction.

    The beaver's dams, the ants' hill, the gopher's, snakes' and rodents' holes, the bird's nests are all made by instinct, not by original design. Take for example an experiment made with weaver birds. For five consecutive generations, weaver birds were kept in a place with no nest-building material available to them. The fifth generation had never seen a nest. But when nest-building materials, along with other materials, were made accessible, the fith generation immediately made nests. And they were weaver-bird nests---not robins' nest or swallows' nests or eagles' nests.

    Evolution cannot adequately account for the fact that even higher animals, equipped as they are with marvelous instinct, lack the unique mind power of man. Nor can it account adequately for the absence of such remarkable instincts in man. Or, for the vast gulf between the powers of animal brain and human mind.

    Man can design and build great dams such as the Grand Coulee in Washington State, in the Pacific Northwest. Man can build great tunnels under mountains or rivers. Man can invent and build automobiles, airplanes, battleships, submarines. Man along, of all God created, is capable of approaching real creative powers.

     
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    KittyKatz, clever thinking, astute post. to begin, your "If god is so powerful, why wouldn't he just create everything rather than create one tiny molecule and start this billions of years process?"

    Even though God is not bound by time, one could say that creating instantly would be preferable to creating over a period of time. However, I'm sure any astronomer asked the question would prefer that the universe be created over time. Astronomers would be out of business if God had created the universe instantly, because the universe is expanding at nearly the speed of light, so that we can see back in time nearly to the creation event itself. If God had created everything instantly (but kept the universe the same size), and placed all plant and animal life on earth a few thousand years ago, we would see nothing of the heavens, other than the solar system and a few stars. However, Psalm 19 says that the heavens declare the glory of God, so it seems likely that God wanted us to see the entire universe. If He had created it instantly, this would not be possible.

    The same logic can be used for the creation of the earth and life on it. Besides indicating that the heavens declare the Glory of God, Psalm 19 says that the firmament shows His handiwork. The biological history of the earth is preserved in the rocks so that we can see the creative handiwork of God in producing life's history. If the universe and earth were created instantly, there would be no history of life to examine, and God's glory would not be visible to us.

    In theory, the reason the earth may not have been created until billions of years after the creation of the universe could involve the nature of the universe at its creation. The initial big bang creation event resulted in a universe that consisted almost entirely of hydrogen and helium. Obviously, rocky planets are not possible in such a universe. Heavier elements (including carbon, oxygen and metals) were formed in the nuclear furnaces of stars. Really large stars burn quickly and end their lives in explosions, which distribute these heavy elements throughout the local vicinity. So, rocky planets (and living organisms) were not even possible during the first few billion years of the universe's history. Even now, most stars are metal-poor compared to our sun (determined through spectroscopy). So, the earth was created at one of the earliest possible times in the history of our universe. Although many stars may be surrounded by planets, rocky planets are likely to be at least somewhat rare in the universe (although we are just beginning to collect data to answer this question).

    In theory again, God may have waited an additional 4 billion years before creating human beings on earth as the reality is we were created at the ideal time to observe the creation of the universe. If we had been created earlier in time, we would have been unaware of dark energy, leaving in question the ultimate fate of the universe (allowing atheists the out of claiming that the universe might undergo eternal cyclic expansion and contraction). If we had been created later in the history of the universe, Hubble expansion would be unobservable, along with cosmic background radiation, and big bang nucleosynthesis. In the future, scientists will be unable to determine how the universe came into existence, but would assume that it was eternal and static.

    The remarkable cosmic coincidence that we happen to live at the only time in the history of the universe when the magnitude of dark energy and dark matter densities are comparable. Observers when the universe was an order of magnitude younger would not have been able to discern any effects of dark energy on the expansion, and observers when the universe is more than an order of magnitude older will be hard pressed to know that they live in an expanding universe at all, or that the expansion is dominated by dark energy. By the time the longest lived main sequence stars are nearing the end of their lives, for all intents and purposes, the universe will appear static, and all evidence that now forms the basis of our current understanding of cosmology will have disappeared.

    Though, in the why God created the way He did, you need to understand the purposes for which God created the universe. The bible indicates that the earth was established to accomplish the purposes of God and the purposes of God regarding this creation is first and foremost, designed as a place where evil can be conquered. As for the sun, the bible warns that the second coming will be before man can destroy himself. As the bookie, who is your favorite to destroy human life, our sun, the natural time bomb, or man?

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    KittyKatz, clever thinking, astute post. to begin, your "If god is so powerful, why wouldn't he just create everything rather than create one tiny molecule and start this billions of years process?"

    Even though God is not bound by time, one could say that creating instantly would be preferable to creating over a period of time. However, I'm sure any astronomer asked the question would prefer that the universe be created over time. Astronomers would be out of business if God had created the universe instantly, because the universe is expanding at nearly the speed of light, so that we can see back in time nearly to the creation event itself. If God had created everything instantly (but kept the universe the same size), and placed all plant and animal life on earth a few thousand years ago, we would see nothing of the heavens, other than the solar system and a few stars. However, Psalm 19 says that the heavens declare the glory of God, so it seems likely that God wanted us to see the entire universe. If He had created it instantly, this would not be possible.

    The same logic can be used for the creation of the earth and life on it. Besides indicating that the heavens declare the Glory of God, Psalm 19 says that the firmament shows His handiwork. The biological history of the earth is preserved in the rocks so that we can see the creative handiwork of God in producing life's history. If the universe and earth were created instantly, there would be no history of life to examine, and God's glory would not be visible to us.

    In theory, the reason the earth may not have been created until billions of years after the creation of the universe could involve the nature of the universe at its creation. The initial big bang creation event resulted in a universe that consisted almost entirely of hydrogen and helium. Obviously, rocky planets are not possible in such a universe. Heavier elements (including carbon, oxygen and metals) were formed in the nuclear furnaces of stars. Really large stars burn quickly and end their lives in explosions, which distribute these heavy elements throughout the local vicinity. So, rocky planets (and living organisms) were not even possible during the first few billion years of the universe's history. Even now, most stars are metal-poor compared to our sun (determined through spectroscopy). So, the earth was created at one of the earliest possible times in the history of our universe. Although many stars may be surrounded by planets, rocky planets are likely to be at least somewhat rare in the universe (although we are just beginning to collect data to answer this question).

    In theory again, God may have waited an additional 4 billion years before creating human beings on earth as the reality is we were created at the ideal time to observe the creation of the universe. If we had been created earlier in time, we would have been unaware of dark energy, leaving in question the ultimate fate of the universe (allowing atheists the out of claiming that the universe might undergo eternal cyclic expansion and contraction). If we had been created later in the history of the universe, Hubble expansion would be unobservable, along with cosmic background radiation, and big bang nucleosynthesis. In the future, scientists will be unable to determine how the universe came into existence, but would assume that it was eternal and static.

    The remarkable cosmic coincidence that we happen to live at the only time in the history of the universe when the magnitude of dark energy and dark matter densities are comparable. Observers when the universe was an order of magnitude younger would not have been able to discern any effects of dark energy on the expansion, and observers when the universe is more than an order of magnitude older will be hard pressed to know that they live in an expanding universe at all, or that the expansion is dominated by dark energy. By the time the longest lived main sequence stars are nearing the end of their lives, for all intents and purposes, the universe will appear static, and all evidence that now forms the basis of our current understanding of cosmology will have disappeared.

    Though, in the why God created the way He did, you need to understand the purposes for which God created the universe. The bible indicates that the earth was established to accomplish the purposes of God and the purposes of God regarding this creation is first and foremost, designed as a place where evil can be conquered. As for the sun, the bible warns that the second coming will be before man can destroy himself. As the bookie, who is your favorite to destroy human life, our sun, the natural time bomb, or man?

     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2011 - 5:49 PM ET #732

    On that topic, I personally believe the human species is rapidly approaching extinction. I don't think we, as a species, will make it another 1000 years; obviously I'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me (if I were somehow alive at the time) to learn we destroyed ourselves in the year 2300. So, my money is on human beings to destroy all life on this planet well before anything else can do it.

    As for remarkable cosmic coincidences, I for one choose not to attribute things with no answer to the supernatural. There are plenty of things we will find out in the future about the history of the universe and about its future. Maybe we'll actually figure out what the hell dark matter and dark energy are for. Maybe we'll figure out how to create it (although this conflicts the theory that matter can neither be created nor destroyed). It is possible that god created all of this, but it seems as if you and others like to take new evidence and retroactively apply it to "god's plan." That is not an attack on you in any way, just merely an observation on what I perceive. I don't think god is necessary to answer why everything is the way it is and I won't resort to something supernatural until every other option has been proven wrong. But I must state I really do respect the way you respond to what I say because you actually try and make arguments that make sense, and they do. I know it is unfair for me to go "why, why, why" for everything, but I need to at least ask this. Why would god create the universe as a place where evil can be conquered? After all, there was no evil before the universe, right? I would assume that when there was nothing at all, there could be neither good nor evil and presumably, god created both. If that was his purpose, would it not have been easier to just do nothing? And as an aside, do you think god will let us destroy ourselves, which I think we are destined to do?
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    On that topic, I personally believe the human species is rapidly approaching extinction. I don't think we, as a species, will make it another 1000 years; obviously I'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me (if I were somehow alive at the time) to learn we destroyed ourselves in the year 2300. So, my money is on human beings to destroy all life on this planet well before anything else can do it.

    As for remarkable cosmic coincidences, I for one choose not to attribute things with no answer to the supernatural. There are plenty of things we will find out in the future about the history of the universe and about its future. Maybe we'll actually figure out what the hell dark matter and dark energy are for. Maybe we'll figure out how to create it (although this conflicts the theory that matter can neither be created nor destroyed). It is possible that god created all of this, but it seems as if you and others like to take new evidence and retroactively apply it to "god's plan." That is not an attack on you in any way, just merely an observation on what I perceive. I don't think god is necessary to answer why everything is the way it is and I won't resort to something supernatural until every other option has been proven wrong. But I must state I really do respect the way you respond to what I say because you actually try and make arguments that make sense, and they do. I know it is unfair for me to go "why, why, why" for everything, but I need to at least ask this. Why would god create the universe as a place where evil can be conquered? After all, there was no evil before the universe, right? I would assume that when there was nothing at all, there could be neither good nor evil and presumably, god created both. If that was his purpose, would it not have been easier to just do nothing? And as an aside, do you think god will let us destroy ourselves, which I think we are destined to do?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I cant wait for the rapture.

    I get to wake up and every christian is gone in one fell swoop?

    Now that would make me believe in heaven on earth.

     

    No, it won't be heaven on earth but more like hell on earth!

    Then the seven angels with the seven trumpets prepared to blow their mighty blasts. The first angel blew his trumpet, and hail and fire mixed with blood were thrown down on the earth. One-third of the earth was set on fire, one-third of the trees were burned, and all the green grass was burned.

    Then the second angel blew his trumpet, and a great mountain of fire was thrown into the sea. One-third of the water in the sea became blook, one-third of all things living in the sea died, and one-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed.

    Then the third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from the sky, burning like a torch. It fell on one-third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star was Bitterness. It made one-third of the water bitter, and many people died from drinking the bitter water.

    Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet, and one-third of the sun was struck, one one-third of the moon, and one-third of the stars, and they became dark. And one-third of the day was dark, and also one-third of the night.

    Then I looked, and I heard a single eagle crying loudly as if flew through the air, "Terror, terror, terror to all who belong to this world because of what will happen when the last three angles blow their trumpets."

    The fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a start that had fallen to earth from the sky, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. When he opened it, smoke poured out as though from a huge furnace, and the sunlight and air turned dark from the smoke.

    The locusts came from the smoke and descended on the earth, and they were given power to sting like scorpions. They were told not to harm the grass or plants or trees, but only the people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were told not to kill them but to torture them for five months with pain like the pain of a scorpion sting. In those days people will seek death but will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them!

    The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. They had what looked like gold crowns on their heads, and their faces looked like human faces. They had hair like women's hair and teeth like the teeth of a lion. They wore armor made of iron, and their wings roared like an army of chariots rushing into battle. They had tails that stung like scorpions, and for five month they had the power to torment people. Their king is the angel from the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon---the Destroyer.

    The first terror is past, but look, two more terrors are coming!---Revelation 8:6-13, 9:1-12

    Look I am coming soon! Blessed are those who obey the words of prophecy written in this book. ---Revelation 22:7

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    I cant wait for the rapture.

    I get to wake up and every christian is gone in one fell swoop?

    Now that would make me believe in heaven on earth.

     

    No, it won't be heaven on earth but more like hell on earth!

    Then the seven angels with the seven trumpets prepared to blow their mighty blasts. The first angel blew his trumpet, and hail and fire mixed with blood were thrown down on the earth. One-third of the earth was set on fire, one-third of the trees were burned, and all the green grass was burned.

    Then the second angel blew his trumpet, and a great mountain of fire was thrown into the sea. One-third of the water in the sea became blook, one-third of all things living in the sea died, and one-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed.

    Then the third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from the sky, burning like a torch. It fell on one-third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star was Bitterness. It made one-third of the water bitter, and many people died from drinking the bitter water.

    Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet, and one-third of the sun was struck, one one-third of the moon, and one-third of the stars, and they became dark. And one-third of the day was dark, and also one-third of the night.

    Then I looked, and I heard a single eagle crying loudly as if flew through the air, "Terror, terror, terror to all who belong to this world because of what will happen when the last three angles blow their trumpets."

    The fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a start that had fallen to earth from the sky, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. When he opened it, smoke poured out as though from a huge furnace, and the sunlight and air turned dark from the smoke.

    The locusts came from the smoke and descended on the earth, and they were given power to sting like scorpions. They were told not to harm the grass or plants or trees, but only the people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were told not to kill them but to torture them for five months with pain like the pain of a scorpion sting. In those days people will seek death but will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them!

    The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. They had what looked like gold crowns on their heads, and their faces looked like human faces. They had hair like women's hair and teeth like the teeth of a lion. They wore armor made of iron, and their wings roared like an army of chariots rushing into battle. They had tails that stung like scorpions, and for five month they had the power to torment people. Their king is the angel from the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon---the Destroyer.

    The first terror is past, but look, two more terrors are coming!---Revelation 8:6-13, 9:1-12

    Look I am coming soon! Blessed are those who obey the words of prophecy written in this book. ---Revelation 22:7

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Correction:  . One-third of the water in the sea became blood one-third of all things living in the sea died, and one-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

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    nice find.  that needs to be implemented much more often on this website.
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    costy rosty---

     

    I don't want you to think that i'm talking behind your back (cause best friends don't do that to each other  )

    but i wanted to tell you that this is what I think of EVERYTIME i read a post from you............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

     

    Love,

    Caca


    nice find.  that needs to be implemented much more often on this website.
     
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    Correction: The fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen to earth from the sky, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.

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    KittyKatz, the requirement of the allowance of choice for free will "beings" puts constraints on the laws of physics and how the universe operates. First, there is a requirement for cause and effect. Since we live in such a universe, we tend to assume that cause and effect is a given. However, time, a necessary component of cause and effect, is a construct of this universe, and began at the initiation of the big bang. In addition to time, it must be clear that choices exist, and that there are differences between those choices. The bible says that we must choose between good and evil (which is why evil must exist) and accept God's solution (Jesus Christ) to the problem of evil. How do we know that choices are to made while living on earth? There are two forms of revelation (general and special) that God has used to inform mankind of their choices. General revelation comes from nature itself. This is one reason why the universe is as big as what it is. If God had created one star and one planet, we might think about how it came to be, but we would have no way of studying those two objects to make any kind of inference about their origin. However, the bible says that God spreads out the stars, and that we can study the universe to see how great God is, so that we are without excuse in rejecting Him. Believers are described as being disappointed when seeing their rewards in heaven, for basically living on earth with one foot in heaven and the other in hell. If good deeds were the testimony of heaven, does not the Hitler's of the world know how to give good things to the ones they love.

    Sin is not tolerated in heaven, though it exists otherwise we are robots. Lucifer was the highest order of the angels, though in an uprising, wagered war in heaven and was cast out with the percentage of angels who supported his agenda. In the account of Job, Satan asks permission to prove his point that Job would not love God if He did not bless Job (wealth, health and prosperity). Satan's view was if allowed to sabotage Job's life, Job would reject God. Satan was granted permission, though could not kill Job. Satan cast him sick, sent him broke e.c.t and job cursed God when life became a struggle. Long story short, God put him in his place after his breaking point with a vicious lecture, and restored his health, wealth e.c.t beyond before.

    God is clear that we are destined to destroy all mankind, though will He intervene. The home strech prophecies are not super unknowns, but precise detail in events, order and locations e.c.t more like a hand book.

    Life requires that the planetary system be housed in a spiral galaxy, but it must be located away from the center of that galaxy. Our sun is located in the region of our galaxy and is the only location within a galaxy where stars do not drift in and out of the spiral arms as the galaxy revolves. Not only is this region of the galaxy ideal for the support of life, but it also affords us an excellent view of our galaxy and universe (unobstructed by the gaseous nebulae found in the spiral arms and other, more crowded parts of our galaxy). To myself, our position really looks like a balcony, that there was intention for us to be situated here, to see what we can of the universe. 

    The distance between the planetary star and the planet containing life is crucial for life to be able to exist. This habitable zone is a very small zone, in which water can exist in all three of its forms - gas, liquid, and solid (ice). Without liquid water, any kind of life is not possible.

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    KittyKatz, the requirement of the allowance of choice for free will "beings" puts constraints on the laws of physics and how the universe operates. First, there is a requirement for cause and effect. Since we live in such a universe, we tend to assume that cause and effect is a given. However, time, a necessary component of cause and effect, is a construct of this universe, and began at the initiation of the big bang. In addition to time, it must be clear that choices exist, and that there are differences between those choices. The bible says that we must choose between good and evil (which is why evil must exist) and accept God's solution (Jesus Christ) to the problem of evil. How do we know that choices are to made while living on earth? There are two forms of revelation (general and special) that God has used to inform mankind of their choices. General revelation comes from nature itself. This is one reason why the universe is as big as what it is. If God had created one star and one planet, we might think about how it came to be, but we would have no way of studying those two objects to make any kind of inference about their origin. However, the bible says that God spreads out the stars, and that we can study the universe to see how great God is, so that we are without excuse in rejecting Him. Believers are described as being disappointed when seeing their rewards in heaven, for basically living on earth with one foot in heaven and the other in hell. If good deeds were the testimony of heaven, does not the Hitler's of the world know how to give good things to the ones they love.

    Sin is not tolerated in heaven, though it exists otherwise we are robots. Lucifer was the highest order of the angels, though in an uprising, wagered war in heaven and was cast out with the percentage of angels who supported his agenda. In the account of Job, Satan asks permission to prove his point that Job would not love God if He did not bless Job (wealth, health and prosperity). Satan's view was if allowed to sabotage Job's life, Job would reject God. Satan was granted permission, though could not kill Job. Satan cast him sick, sent him broke e.c.t and job cursed God when life became a struggle. Long story short, God put him in his place after his breaking point with a vicious lecture, and restored his health, wealth e.c.t beyond before.

    God is clear that we are destined to destroy all mankind, though will He intervene. The home strech prophecies are not super unknowns, but precise detail in events, order and locations e.c.t more like a hand book.

    Life requires that the planetary system be housed in a spiral galaxy, but it must be located away from the center of that galaxy. Our sun is located in the region of our galaxy and is the only location within a galaxy where stars do not drift in and out of the spiral arms as the galaxy revolves. Not only is this region of the galaxy ideal for the support of life, but it also affords us an excellent view of our galaxy and universe (unobstructed by the gaseous nebulae found in the spiral arms and other, more crowded parts of our galaxy). To myself, our position really looks like a balcony, that there was intention for us to be situated here, to see what we can of the universe. 

    The distance between the planetary star and the planet containing life is crucial for life to be able to exist. This habitable zone is a very small zone, in which water can exist in all three of its forms - gas, liquid, and solid (ice). Without liquid water, any kind of life is not possible.

     
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    Oh, and why did God just not do nothing you ask? Because He is the God of life, no different than a child asking a parent the identical question. Though to God, its like a house asking a builder why did you design me this way.
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    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?
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    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    On that topic, I personally believe the human species is rapidly approaching extinction. I don't think we, as a species, will make it another 1000 years; obviously I'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me (if I were somehow alive at the time) to learn we destroyed ourselves in the year 2300. So, my money is on human beings to destroy all life on this planet well before anything else can do it.

    As for remarkable cosmic coincidences, I for one choose not to attribute things with no answer to the supernatural. There are plenty of things we will find out in the future about the history of the universe and about its future. Maybe we'll actually figure out what the hell dark matter and dark energy are for. Maybe we'll figure out how to create it (although this conflicts the theory that matter can neither be created nor destroyed). It is possible that god created all of this, but it seems as if you and others like to take new evidence and retroactively apply it to "god's plan." That is not an attack on you in any way, just merely an observation on what I perceive. I don't think god is necessary to answer why everything is the way it is and I won't resort to something supernatural until every other option has been proven wrong. But I must state I really do respect the way you respond to what I say because you actually try and make arguments that make sense, and they do. I know it is unfair for me to go "why, why, why" for everything, but I need to at least ask this. Why would god create the universe as a place where evil can be conquered? After all, there was no evil before the universe, right? I would assume that when there was nothing at all, there could be neither good nor evil and presumably, god created both. If that was his purpose, would it not have been easier to just do nothing? And as an aside, do you think god will let us destroy ourselves, which I think we are destined to do?

    impressive........In the KJV 1611  bible....the verse in Isiah 45:7 says the God of old testament created evil.....which shows how sick the writers of the bible were......no benevolent god would create evil....pointless.......so when anyone mixes judaism with science it is worthless...the two will never belong together....great job KK

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    On that topic, I personally believe the human species is rapidly approaching extinction. I don't think we, as a species, will make it another 1000 years; obviously I'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me (if I were somehow alive at the time) to learn we destroyed ourselves in the year 2300. So, my money is on human beings to destroy all life on this planet well before anything else can do it.

    As for remarkable cosmic coincidences, I for one choose not to attribute things with no answer to the supernatural. There are plenty of things we will find out in the future about the history of the universe and about its future. Maybe we'll actually figure out what the hell dark matter and dark energy are for. Maybe we'll figure out how to create it (although this conflicts the theory that matter can neither be created nor destroyed). It is possible that god created all of this, but it seems as if you and others like to take new evidence and retroactively apply it to "god's plan." That is not an attack on you in any way, just merely an observation on what I perceive. I don't think god is necessary to answer why everything is the way it is and I won't resort to something supernatural until every other option has been proven wrong. But I must state I really do respect the way you respond to what I say because you actually try and make arguments that make sense, and they do. I know it is unfair for me to go "why, why, why" for everything, but I need to at least ask this. Why would god create the universe as a place where evil can be conquered? After all, there was no evil before the universe, right? I would assume that when there was nothing at all, there could be neither good nor evil and presumably, god created both. If that was his purpose, would it not have been easier to just do nothing? And as an aside, do you think god will let us destroy ourselves, which I think we are destined to do?

    impressive........In the KJV 1611  bible....the verse in Isiah 45:7 says the God of old testament created evil.....which shows how sick the writers of the bible were......no benevolent god would create evil....pointless.......so when anyone mixes judaism with science it is worthless...the two will never belong together....great job KK

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?

    God answers prayer.

    He answered this boys prayer.

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    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?

    God answers prayer.

    He answered this boys prayer.

     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2011 - 11:05 PM ET #742

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    1. Why are you so concerned about other people , what they do and where they will end up? Why? Is it gonna make a difference to you? God will judge everyone rightly, thats all you need to know.

    2. There is your problem, u keep on applying the standards and laws of this world to the afterlife. By stating ages, you are assuming there is a standard of time in the afterlife. How do you apply an age (time, years) in a realm that is eternal?

    3. That is a question that contradicts itself. Have a good think about the question.

    4. God is the owner of all souls (spirits), he sees fit which body, time, etc etc he puts them in. No one but him has control over this.

    Again, your last comment contradicts itself. Its like calling someone a married bachelor....

    Impressively said!

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    1. Why are you so concerned about other people , what they do and where they will end up? Why? Is it gonna make a difference to you? God will judge everyone rightly, thats all you need to know.

    2. There is your problem, u keep on applying the standards and laws of this world to the afterlife. By stating ages, you are assuming there is a standard of time in the afterlife. How do you apply an age (time, years) in a realm that is eternal?

    3. That is a question that contradicts itself. Have a good think about the question.

    4. God is the owner of all souls (spirits), he sees fit which body, time, etc etc he puts them in. No one but him has control over this.

    Again, your last comment contradicts itself. Its like calling someone a married bachelor....

    Impressively said!

    Wise words are more valuable than much gold and many rubies. ---Proverbs 20:15

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    A christian meets the invisible pink unicorn

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    A unicorn is testable, God isnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    And as a side note, I don't really bring up all these issues with Christianity specifically. You try and make valid arguments, but fail miserably because of all the inherent contradictions in your faith and all the holes and inexplicable things that come with your beliefs. However, if you do bring them up, I will not hesitate to exploit them

    What are you talking about ?

    Go 4 it.

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    And as a side note, I don't really bring up all these issues with Christianity specifically. You try and make valid arguments, but fail miserably because of all the inherent contradictions in your faith and all the holes and inexplicable things that come with your beliefs. However, if you do bring them up, I will not hesitate to exploit them

    What are you talking about ?

    Go 4 it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbitw:

    Again, when reading the bible, u cant read EVERYTHING with the same lense.

    It is written, cut your right hand off if it causes you to sin. Do you think God wants everyone with no right hand? Do you honestly think that is the case?

    Yes, help the poor, i am sure even priests get some spend money for themselves each week.

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    Again, when reading the bible, u cant read EVERYTHING with the same lense.

    It is written, cut your right hand off if it causes you to sin. Do you think God wants everyone with no right hand? Do you honestly think that is the case?

    Yes, help the poor, i am sure even priests get some spend money for themselves each week.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?

    '

    Do Harry potter stories have life / scientific fulfilling prohecies in them?

    Your comparison of Harry Potter to the Bible is embarressing for you.

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    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?

    '

    Do Harry potter stories have life / scientific fulfilling prohecies in them?

    Your comparison of Harry Potter to the Bible is embarressing for you.

     
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    Another finely tuned constant is the strong nuclear force (the force that holds atoms together). The Sun "burns" by fusing hydrogen (and higher elements) together. When the two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of the mass of the hydrogen is converted into energy. If the amount of matter converted were slightly smaller—0.6% instead of 0.7%— a proton could not bond to a neutron, and the universe would consist only of hydrogen. With no heavy elements, there would be no rocky planets and no life. If the amount of matter converted were slightly larger—0.8%, fusion would happen so readily and rapidly that no hydrogen would have survived from the Big Bang. Again, there would be no solar systems and no life. The number must lie exactly between 0.6% and 0.8%

    Hey atheists, lucky the ratio is at .7% huh? Must have been by pure fluke and chance.

    Kobe bryant would never have existed if it was at .6%.....

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    Another finely tuned constant is the strong nuclear force (the force that holds atoms together). The Sun "burns" by fusing hydrogen (and higher elements) together. When the two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of the mass of the hydrogen is converted into energy. If the amount of matter converted were slightly smaller—0.6% instead of 0.7%— a proton could not bond to a neutron, and the universe would consist only of hydrogen. With no heavy elements, there would be no rocky planets and no life. If the amount of matter converted were slightly larger—0.8%, fusion would happen so readily and rapidly that no hydrogen would have survived from the Big Bang. Again, there would be no solar systems and no life. The number must lie exactly between 0.6% and 0.8%

    Hey atheists, lucky the ratio is at .7% huh? Must have been by pure fluke and chance.

    Kobe bryant would never have existed if it was at .6%.....

     
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    Yup, Rostos. You're right. It's exactly .7% instead of .6%. Must be god. There's no other conceivable explanation. Has it ever occurred to you that for life to exist, the number would have to be just right no matter what it is? It could've been .6%, .9%, 27%, it doesn't matter. For us to be here, whatever the number is, whatever the conditions are, had to be perfect. That is no evidence of god because no matter what, it has to be the case.

    And yes, I can compare Harry Potter to the bible because they are both fictional stories. The difference is the bible tries to teach morals, which I think is an excellent thing. The problem is when people try to interpret it literally, like these things actually happened.

    You made a nice attempt at this right here: "Again, when reading the bible, u cant read EVERYTHING with the same lense.

    It is written, cut your right hand off if it causes you to sin. Do you think God wants everyone with no right hand? Do you honestly think that is the case?

    Yes, help the poor, i am sure even priests get some spend money for themselves each week."

    That's exactly it. Of course god doesn't want everyone with no right hand. IT'S A METAPHOR. THE ENTIRE BIBLE IS. They are stories designed to teach people how to live a moral and righteous life; a life god would approve of. The bible is NOT FACTUAL. Therefore, you cannot use it as a basis for ANY ARGUMENT. That is the way I compare the bible to Harry Potter. Both of those books are stories. The only difference is one of those books has moral value whereas the other is purely for entertainment. There was a time when people thought god actually created the world in 7 days. Then, that was proven false. What did bible huggers do? They said something like "well what exactly is a day? a day can be billions of years." They incorporated the scientific answer into their beliefs. This happens all the time. God is not an answer, he is a lack of an answer. Once an answer is discovered, everything is modified to incorporate god because the necessity of god to explain things becomes lesser and lesser. Eventually, religion will be obsolete, but unfortunately, not in our lifetimes.

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    Yup, Rostos. You're right. It's exactly .7% instead of .6%. Must be god. There's no other conceivable explanation. Has it ever occurred to you that for life to exist, the number would have to be just right no matter what it is? It could've been .6%, .9%, 27%, it doesn't matter. For us to be here, whatever the number is, whatever the conditions are, had to be perfect. That is no evidence of god because no matter what, it has to be the case.

    And yes, I can compare Harry Potter to the bible because they are both fictional stories. The difference is the bible tries to teach morals, which I think is an excellent thing. The problem is when people try to interpret it literally, like these things actually happened.

    You made a nice attempt at this right here: "Again, when reading the bible, u cant read EVERYTHING with the same lense.

    It is written, cut your right hand off if it causes you to sin. Do you think God wants everyone with no right hand? Do you honestly think that is the case?

    Yes, help the poor, i am sure even priests get some spend money for themselves each week."

    That's exactly it. Of course god doesn't want everyone with no right hand. IT'S A METAPHOR. THE ENTIRE BIBLE IS. They are stories designed to teach people how to live a moral and righteous life; a life god would approve of. The bible is NOT FACTUAL. Therefore, you cannot use it as a basis for ANY ARGUMENT. That is the way I compare the bible to Harry Potter. Both of those books are stories. The only difference is one of those books has moral value whereas the other is purely for entertainment. There was a time when people thought god actually created the world in 7 days. Then, that was proven false. What did bible huggers do? They said something like "well what exactly is a day? a day can be billions of years." They incorporated the scientific answer into their beliefs. This happens all the time. God is not an answer, he is a lack of an answer. Once an answer is discovered, everything is modified to incorporate god because the necessity of god to explain things becomes lesser and lesser. Eventually, religion will be obsolete, but unfortunately, not in our lifetimes.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?

    God permits evil because if He didn't, it would mean the end of our free will. God allows us to choose our destiny, that's the point of this tiny speck of dust we call planet earth. But the price of that freedom means the existence of evil. The good news is that our life on earth is brief, and the world is but a stage for man to make choices. That's the point of our human conception---it makes possible a harvest of souls who freely choose to seek God, or to reject God. The free choice has a built-in consequence, thus the responsibility of our destiny lies squarely upon our free choices, which God will eternally respect. A man can be coaxed, warned and pleaded with not to drink poison because of the horrible consequences, but the man is free to drink poison nonetheless.

    What we do with our intellect, free will, and out time is our responsibility. Death simply marks the moment a soul enters the eternal state. A soul is either in union with God, or separated from God for all eternity. The consequence of those who choose a path of evil, is that it blinds the intellect. Thus there are many smart people who are proud of all the facts they can remember, yet they are not very wise. In fact, often time they are the dumbest people because they miss the very point of their existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No offense aerial, but that explains nothing. It doesn't explain why evil has to exist. You are not allowed respond to anything I say using the bible for the same reason I can't respond to anything you say using Harry Potter books. Both books have equal credence and reliability.

    Additional question: Do you believe god answers individual prayers? And do you believe god heals the sick?

    God permits evil because if He didn't, it would mean the end of our free will. God allows us to choose our destiny, that's the point of this tiny speck of dust we call planet earth. But the price of that freedom means the existence of evil. The good news is that our life on earth is brief, and the world is but a stage for man to make choices. That's the point of our human conception---it makes possible a harvest of souls who freely choose to seek God, or to reject God. The free choice has a built-in consequence, thus the responsibility of our destiny lies squarely upon our free choices, which God will eternally respect. A man can be coaxed, warned and pleaded with not to drink poison because of the horrible consequences, but the man is free to drink poison nonetheless.

    What we do with our intellect, free will, and out time is our responsibility. Death simply marks the moment a soul enters the eternal state. A soul is either in union with God, or separated from God for all eternity. The consequence of those who choose a path of evil, is that it blinds the intellect. Thus there are many smart people who are proud of all the facts they can remember, yet they are not very wise. In fact, often time they are the dumbest people because they miss the very point of their existence.

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