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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:44 AM ET #2926

    Not to mention that without god in your life you can feel a greater sense of accomplishment if you know you did everything on your own, rather than asking god to help you...
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    Not to mention that without god in your life you can feel a greater sense of accomplishment if you know you did everything on your own, rather than asking god to help you...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:45 AM ET #2927

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    It's not lonely at all.  I'm as happy as a person could be, because I know this is the only life we are given, so I plan on having as much fun as possible.  I think people who NEED god to get through life are for the most part weak.  This is our only life, enjoy it!!

    Ouch, that's not going to do you any favors, eeeeeek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    It's not lonely at all.  I'm as happy as a person could be, because I know this is the only life we are given, so I plan on having as much fun as possible.  I think people who NEED god to get through life are for the most part weak.  This is our only life, enjoy it!!

    Ouch, that's not going to do you any favors, eeeeeek

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:46 AM ET #2928

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    Ouch, that's not going to do you any favors, eeeeeek


    Does anyone have any idea what this means?
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    Ouch, that's not going to do you any favors, eeeeeek


    Does anyone have any idea what this means?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:47 AM ET #2929

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Does anyone have any idea what this means?


    Not even a clue lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Does anyone have any idea what this means?


    Not even a clue lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:49 AM ET #2930

    Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:

    does anyone except me find it odd that in the bible, in the book of genesis when decides to create man, he says "WE shall create him in OUR image" ?
    and why did he say "let there be lite"? who was he talking to? i mean when i find it dark in here, i dont say turn on the light if i'm by myself, i simply make it brighter, without comment.

    I actually agree with the first part of your statement. There are several references to God in plural form and I have found that to be very interesting. In my studies I have found that that could be a referenced to a group as in a family of Gods or it could be referenced to the holy trinity. Father, Son and Holy spirit. The Bible clearly states that we wont have all the answers and Jesus also referred to mysteries that we wouldn't understand. This is why religion on this planet is restrictive because it doesn't want to even discuss anything out of the norm. Reincarnation, Life on other planets, Book of Enoch. The Giants that inhabited the Earth. The Watchers. There's a host of events and periods not even discussed at all. Religion seeks to control the thought of man. Jesus preached against this and we don't need a minster, priest or rabbi to talk to God.  We can go direct to God with no intermediary. If you find a good minister that's a bonus but none is needed to gain understanding and wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:

    does anyone except me find it odd that in the bible, in the book of genesis when decides to create man, he says "WE shall create him in OUR image" ?
    and why did he say "let there be lite"? who was he talking to? i mean when i find it dark in here, i dont say turn on the light if i'm by myself, i simply make it brighter, without comment.

    I actually agree with the first part of your statement. There are several references to God in plural form and I have found that to be very interesting. In my studies I have found that that could be a referenced to a group as in a family of Gods or it could be referenced to the holy trinity. Father, Son and Holy spirit. The Bible clearly states that we wont have all the answers and Jesus also referred to mysteries that we wouldn't understand. This is why religion on this planet is restrictive because it doesn't want to even discuss anything out of the norm. Reincarnation, Life on other planets, Book of Enoch. The Giants that inhabited the Earth. The Watchers. There's a host of events and periods not even discussed at all. Religion seeks to control the thought of man. Jesus preached against this and we don't need a minster, priest or rabbi to talk to God.  We can go direct to God with no intermediary. If you find a good minister that's a bonus but none is needed to gain understanding and wisdom.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:53 AM ET #2931

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    Ouch, that's not going to do you any favors, eeeeeek


    It means if you are wrong about God you are f**ked
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    Ouch, that's not going to do you any favors, eeeeeek


    It means if you are wrong about God you are f**ked
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:55 AM ET #2932

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    It means if you are wrong about God you are f**ked


    I thought he was a forgiving god?
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


    It means if you are wrong about God you are f**ked


    I thought he was a forgiving god?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:57 AM ET #2933

    Gotta ask and not bash my brotha
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    Gotta ask and not bash my brotha
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 4:57 AM ET #2934

    I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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    I'd rather be safe than sorry.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:01 AM ET #2935

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I'd rather be safe than sorry.


    So I should just fake it?  Don't you think he would know I'm faking it? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    I'd rather be safe than sorry.


    So I should just fake it?  Don't you think he would know I'm faking it? lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:07 AM ET #2936

    This isn't your only life and you will be coming back over and over until you get it right. God doesn't have to show, prove, or do anything to convince you he exist. That is something that must come from you and your consciousness. God gave us free will. He wont make you love him. If you honestly seek God he will give you a sign. Believe me this is very true. Your hearts are hard and you wouldn't believe anything I told you but I assure you God is real and he will reveal himself if you ask for a sign. But you must seek him with a pure heart not the heart of a atheist. The unseen is more real than the seen. Let he who has eyes see and he that has ears hear the words that I speak. God the almighty Alpha and Omega is here and dwells inside you but he will never be pushy he will never pressure you. He offers you unconditional love and asks you to do the same. The #1 problem with atheists is that you have guys have all these conditions that  you place on God. Do this. Show me this. I need proof. Doubting Thomas represents the atheists of the today's world. " I won't believe until I can put my finger through his belly" "Touch the hands that the nails went in" You guys doubt the divinity of Jesus and you reject God for whatever reason. I submit to you that you can come online day after day and play this game. But in loneliness of the night you know the truth. Deep down you know but yet again are too afraid to confront the All That is because you are stuck in the lies of atheism. At the end of the day gentlemen your beliefs add up to nothing. A big lie. That is what you have based your spiritual development on...Nothing. I on the other hand whether you like it or not. You can call me every name in the book. It doesn't matter to me. I believe and know that there is loving God that cares about us, loves us and has intervened in my life when I was too dumb to realize certain situations. If you want to see God.Look at your children that is closest thing to God you will see on this planet. God lives in us and through us in order to fulfill his natural expression of love and growth. Does that mean that bad things wont happened? No it doesn't. But God and theist aren't responsible for every bad thing that happens on Earth. When a theist does something in error that is their choice irregardless of their religious or spiritual beliefs. Atheists love painting all theists with the same brush. Are you responsible for every atheist/agnostic crazy that does things that are insane. No you're not and neither are Christians or theists as well.
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    This isn't your only life and you will be coming back over and over until you get it right. God doesn't have to show, prove, or do anything to convince you he exist. That is something that must come from you and your consciousness. God gave us free will. He wont make you love him. If you honestly seek God he will give you a sign. Believe me this is very true. Your hearts are hard and you wouldn't believe anything I told you but I assure you God is real and he will reveal himself if you ask for a sign. But you must seek him with a pure heart not the heart of a atheist. The unseen is more real than the seen. Let he who has eyes see and he that has ears hear the words that I speak. God the almighty Alpha and Omega is here and dwells inside you but he will never be pushy he will never pressure you. He offers you unconditional love and asks you to do the same. The #1 problem with atheists is that you have guys have all these conditions that  you place on God. Do this. Show me this. I need proof. Doubting Thomas represents the atheists of the today's world. " I won't believe until I can put my finger through his belly" "Touch the hands that the nails went in" You guys doubt the divinity of Jesus and you reject God for whatever reason. I submit to you that you can come online day after day and play this game. But in loneliness of the night you know the truth. Deep down you know but yet again are too afraid to confront the All That is because you are stuck in the lies of atheism. At the end of the day gentlemen your beliefs add up to nothing. A big lie. That is what you have based your spiritual development on...Nothing. I on the other hand whether you like it or not. You can call me every name in the book. It doesn't matter to me. I believe and know that there is loving God that cares about us, loves us and has intervened in my life when I was too dumb to realize certain situations. If you want to see God.Look at your children that is closest thing to God you will see on this planet. God lives in us and through us in order to fulfill his natural expression of love and growth. Does that mean that bad things wont happened? No it doesn't. But God and theist aren't responsible for every bad thing that happens on Earth. When a theist does something in error that is their choice irregardless of their religious or spiritual beliefs. Atheists love painting all theists with the same brush. Are you responsible for every atheist/agnostic crazy that does things that are insane. No you're not and neither are Christians or theists as well.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:12 AM ET #2937

    Yeah. I think your toast at this point. just kiddin. 

    You never know, my pastor now was an atheist that was addicted to drugs when he was growing up. He used to laugh at people walking into churches as he was lighting up. He eventually became addicted to hardcore drugs. In his worst moment he tried to overdose to kill himself. At his wits end he hit his knees, almost as a joke, he cried out that if God was there he needed help. He said what happened after that he will never be able to explain. An overwhelming power of grace came over him.  He never did drugs again and now he is the pastor at the 10th fastest growing church in the US. He gets a lot of respect because he was on the other side. 
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    Yeah. I think your toast at this point. just kiddin. 

    You never know, my pastor now was an atheist that was addicted to drugs when he was growing up. He used to laugh at people walking into churches as he was lighting up. He eventually became addicted to hardcore drugs. In his worst moment he tried to overdose to kill himself. At his wits end he hit his knees, almost as a joke, he cried out that if God was there he needed help. He said what happened after that he will never be able to explain. An overwhelming power of grace came over him.  He never did drugs again and now he is the pastor at the 10th fastest growing church in the US. He gets a lot of respect because he was on the other side. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:14 AM ET #2938

    It's not a game. You can't play with your spiritual life like this is some sort of joke. Understand one thing. Just because you say or think God doesn't exist doesn't make him disappear and I know so please don't start posting that just because I say God is real doesn't make it so. That's a ridiculous statement.But only a ignorant fool would continue to believe that this whole Universe with life on millions of planets exists by some great accident and the different life forms all came to be by some accident that just kept repeating itself on millions of planets. The odds of that since you guys are so scientific are astronomical to say the least.
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    It's not a game. You can't play with your spiritual life like this is some sort of joke. Understand one thing. Just because you say or think God doesn't exist doesn't make him disappear and I know so please don't start posting that just because I say God is real doesn't make it so. That's a ridiculous statement.But only a ignorant fool would continue to believe that this whole Universe with life on millions of planets exists by some great accident and the different life forms all came to be by some accident that just kept repeating itself on millions of planets. The odds of that since you guys are so scientific are astronomical to say the least.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:20 AM ET #2939

    Think about that for one second. All you atheist are hooked on "evidence" and "proof" What are the odds that the whole Universe with life on millions of other Planets was all created by just some accident that kept repeating itself over and over. Now that's a JOKE! But yet with all your scientific knowledge you believe the biggest lie ever told...that there is no God! Wow
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    Think about that for one second. All you atheist are hooked on "evidence" and "proof" What are the odds that the whole Universe with life on millions of other Planets was all created by just some accident that kept repeating itself over and over. Now that's a JOKE! But yet with all your scientific knowledge you believe the biggest lie ever told...that there is no God! Wow
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:24 AM ET #2940

    Well said smooth D, 

    There are things that have happened with my own life that  have shown me beyond a shadow of a doubt there is a loving God
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    Well said smooth D, 

    There are things that have happened with my own life that  have shown me beyond a shadow of a doubt there is a loving God
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:29 AM ET #2941

    And that is true, if you can look deep into your children's eyes, look at what a miracle life truly is, and turn your back and walk away thinking that it was caused by randomness, a spark, a collision of mass, wow, I just can't do it. My gut says no way. There has got to be a master creator. 
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    And that is true, if you can look deep into your children's eyes, look at what a miracle life truly is, and turn your back and walk away thinking that it was caused by randomness, a spark, a collision of mass, wow, I just can't do it. My gut says no way. There has got to be a master creator. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:36 AM ET #2942

    Just because something is difficult to explain doesn't mean we have to make up stuff in order to explain it.  Early on people couldn't explain why water fell from the sky so they made up a rain god.  I'm not the kind of person to believe in for lack of a better phrase "fairy tales" because I don't understand how the universe works.
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    Just because something is difficult to explain doesn't mean we have to make up stuff in order to explain it.  Early on people couldn't explain why water fell from the sky so they made up a rain god.  I'm not the kind of person to believe in for lack of a better phrase "fairy tales" because I don't understand how the universe works.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:43 AM ET #2943

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Just because something is difficult to explain doesn't mean we have to make up stuff in order to explain it.  Early on people couldn't explain why water fell from the sky so they made up a rain god.  I'm not the kind of person to believe in for lack of a better phrase "fairy tales" because I don't understand how the universe works.

    But you do believe in the biggest fairy tale of all Mikniks. So yes you do believe in fairy tales and more than likely Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy while you're at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Just because something is difficult to explain doesn't mean we have to make up stuff in order to explain it.  Early on people couldn't explain why water fell from the sky so they made up a rain god.  I'm not the kind of person to believe in for lack of a better phrase "fairy tales" because I don't understand how the universe works.

    But you do believe in the biggest fairy tale of all Mikniks. So yes you do believe in fairy tales and more than likely Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy while you're at it.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:48 AM ET #2944

    Did u grow up an atheist mikniks or Christian? Were your parents atheists?
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    Did u grow up an atheist mikniks or Christian? Were your parents atheists?
     
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    So your answer to the complexity of the Universe which you can't explain is that this is all some accident? You want to talk about making stuff up. And you guys wonder why I call you COWARDS. That's the scared man's way out. "I can't explain all this but I know that there is no God so it all must be an accident" Can someone prove to me that God did this" Can you prove to us that millions of planets with life on them got that way by some accident. Hell no you can't prove it. So stop asking for something that you know good and damn well you will never get. Again this is the Cowards way. Be a man and realize that you don't have all the answers. Your science can't have all the answers and that there is power greater than you and your science at work here. Once you realize that you take the enormous pressure off yourself running around trying to prove and find evidence of everything  when the Bible says that you simply will not understand everything that is presented. It's a lost cause my friend. 
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    So your answer to the complexity of the Universe which you can't explain is that this is all some accident? You want to talk about making stuff up. And you guys wonder why I call you COWARDS. That's the scared man's way out. "I can't explain all this but I know that there is no God so it all must be an accident" Can someone prove to me that God did this" Can you prove to us that millions of planets with life on them got that way by some accident. Hell no you can't prove it. So stop asking for something that you know good and damn well you will never get. Again this is the Cowards way. Be a man and realize that you don't have all the answers. Your science can't have all the answers and that there is power greater than you and your science at work here. Once you realize that you take the enormous pressure off yourself running around trying to prove and find evidence of everything  when the Bible says that you simply will not understand everything that is presented. It's a lost cause my friend. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:50 AM ET #2946

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:


    But you do believe in the biggest fairy tale of all Mikniks. So yes you do believe in fairy tales and more than likely Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy while you're at it.

    No.  The biggest fairy tale of all is that of god considering all the people that believe it.  I certainly don't believe in fairy tales.  God is man-made.  He was created to explain the unexplainable to the very primitive, and by keeping the idea of god around we will remain primitive...  We cannot advance as a race until we lose the ideals of the small minded...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:


    But you do believe in the biggest fairy tale of all Mikniks. So yes you do believe in fairy tales and more than likely Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy while you're at it.

    No.  The biggest fairy tale of all is that of god considering all the people that believe it.  I certainly don't believe in fairy tales.  God is man-made.  He was created to explain the unexplainable to the very primitive, and by keeping the idea of god around we will remain primitive...  We cannot advance as a race until we lose the ideals of the small minded...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:53 AM ET #2947

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    So your answer to the complexity of the Universe which you can't explain is that this is all some accident? You want to talk about making stuff up. And you guys wonder why I call you COWARDS. That's the scared man's way out. "I can't explain all this but I know that there is no God so it all must be an accident" Can someone prove to me that God did this" Can you prove to us that millions of planets with life on them got that way by some accident. Hell no you can't prove it. So stop asking for something that you know good and damn well you will never get. Again this is the Cowards way. Be a man and realize that you don't have all the answers. Your science can't have all the answers and that there is power greater than you and your science at work here. Once you realize that you take the enormous pressure off yourself running around trying to prove and find evidence of everything  when the Bible says that you simply will not understand everything that is presented. It's a lost cause my friend. 

    You are confused.  The scared mans way out is just attributing everything to god without even thinking about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    So your answer to the complexity of the Universe which you can't explain is that this is all some accident? You want to talk about making stuff up. And you guys wonder why I call you COWARDS. That's the scared man's way out. "I can't explain all this but I know that there is no God so it all must be an accident" Can someone prove to me that God did this" Can you prove to us that millions of planets with life on them got that way by some accident. Hell no you can't prove it. So stop asking for something that you know good and damn well you will never get. Again this is the Cowards way. Be a man and realize that you don't have all the answers. Your science can't have all the answers and that there is power greater than you and your science at work here. Once you realize that you take the enormous pressure off yourself running around trying to prove and find evidence of everything  when the Bible says that you simply will not understand everything that is presented. It's a lost cause my friend. 

    You are confused.  The scared mans way out is just attributing everything to god without even thinking about it...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:54 AM ET #2948

    And I have admitted I don't have all the answers.  You are the one claiming to have the answers when you have absolutely no idea what they are...
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    And I have admitted I don't have all the answers.  You are the one claiming to have the answers when you have absolutely no idea what they are...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:54 AM ET #2949

    Here's a humbling thought for my atheist friends. Our relevance to the Universe is like a grain of sand on the beach of the planet Earth. Think about that the next time you start espousing your scientific theories and the nonexistence of God. You and your thoughts about the non existence of God is about as important as that grain of sand. Quite humbling actually.
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    Here's a humbling thought for my atheist friends. Our relevance to the Universe is like a grain of sand on the beach of the planet Earth. Think about that the next time you start espousing your scientific theories and the nonexistence of God. You and your thoughts about the non existence of God is about as important as that grain of sand. Quite humbling actually.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2011 - 5:57 AM ET #2950

    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Did u grow up an atheist mikniks or Christian? Were your parents atheists?

    I was raised christian.  I think I stopped believing near the end of grammar school.  I have 2 brothers and a sister, none of which believe anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

    Did u grow up an atheist mikniks or Christian? Were your parents atheists?

    I was raised christian.  I think I stopped believing near the end of grammar school.  I have 2 brothers and a sister, none of which believe anymore.
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