embezzlement

By the way, I'd certainly fire my CFO. Stealing on his watch isn't part of why you hired the guy. Also, if he saw you giving second chances, who is to say he doesn't take the risk also? If he's family, tough shit. Billy Joel's brother in law stole $30mm from him.

Hey cmt.  Thanks again for participating.  You point is taken.  Just curious;  why are you so full of angst?  What happened in your life to make you so caustic?  This isn't the first time someone has stolen from me in 18 years of business.  7/8  instances that I remember and who were caught.  I fired them immediately.  No hire backs.  Never, ever thought I would hire ANYONE back who stole from me.  I had one guy steal at least 6 - 8 grand before he was busted.  He had no heart or soul.  I SHOULD have prosecuted him, but I didn't.  Every situation is completely different.  I completely understand what this person did, but then again for the most part, after all these years I believe I have a pretty good feel for people, and I don't believe this person, especailly if I save her, will ever do this again to me, OR anyone else.  I just may have an even more dedicated and loyal employee, and with this person, that is saying alot, and may be wroth the shot! 

Mr. Bandito...

I'm not caustic, just experienced. When you have an employee, who is supposed to be making the tax deposits, take $175K from you, you'll get guarded. Of course, I now have to work out something with the IRS. This, by the way, is after they levied all of my accounts and my childrens as well.

As I said before, it sounds like you've already made up your mind.

One note. You need to put in better controls for people to not be able to steal. Your CFO should've done that, now you have to.

Give her another shot if she completes rehab and goes to GA meetings weekly. Make her prove to you she has changed....

Very very bad idea. How do you determine of she went to GA meetings, by going with her? He's got a business, not a day care center.

How is that a bad idea If she goes to rehab for a month she is probably dedicated to getting better and will continue with GA. Just ask her husband if she's going. He will probably want her their just as bad as you. Make her ban herself from all the casinos in your state as well. Might be worth a shot instead of starting from scratch.

Do you truly believe leopards change their spots? I don't .. especially if hey have a gambling habit. It's not like drugs, booze or cig's where you quit and after a week or so, you're starting to feel better. Gambling leaves you with debt and you're reminded of it monthly. Too many people have relapsed by thinking "fuck it, I'm never going to get this paid off, so I'll gamble more."

If you allow an employee to return after taking $5K from you, you're asking to get hit again. If it's not by her, then it'll be someone else thinking they can get away with it also. That's why it's a bad idea. Summarily, if you send the message that this will not be tolerated, the challenge of this will greatly diminish.

It's not about her anymore.  I doubt she'll steal again.  The problem is the message you're sending your other employees.  From a fellow employer, you can't hire her back. 

In fact, you should have her sign a "non-compete" agreement with you in exchange for no charges.

Maybe you should step back and read what you wrote. SHE HAS NOT BEEN LOYAL, SHE'S MERELY GONE TO WORK.

Excellent idea. The law states, for a non compete to be effective, you have to give consideration if you do not allow them 24 hours to look over the non-compete previous to accepting employment with your company. The non prosecuting makes an easy consideration. This works well because she'll sign it rather than face jail time.

hire her back?? are you fucking crazy?  are you sure you run your own business?

no way can you ever hire her back.  NO WAY.  that would make you a sucker.

if she was such a good employee for you, you should have given her a raise and maybe she wouldnt have done this.  however maybe she would have anyway.

are you sure she is gambling...i mean that could just be an excuse right?  do you really know?  all you really know is she is not trustworthy

you think this lady stole money from you because she was too poor and now you are going to garnish her wages and still hire her...why would you turn your back on the cookie jar again??

dont let your emotions cloud your judgment.  how you are not furious is beyond me...

you sound like a complete sap man, sorry to say it but you do.

If she's built up renewals, cut her off.  Do not use that money to go towards her balance.  I would use a portion of her residual income to sweeten the package for her replacement.  It's amazing the talent out there if you pay them right.

I call a fat BS on the gambling story.  She knows you go onto covers.com at work or she's heard that you gamble.  She thinks this "gambling" story will pull your heart strings.

A lot of good comments in this string!  5K is nothing, but the principal of the embezzlement makes it tough, very tough.  Why not let it sit for a week or two, then make your decision?  By that point, she may tell you she has another job, and the decion will be made for you.

If you do let her back, she MUST pay the 5K back!  Also, as Sassycat comments, if others know about it, then you MUST let her go, or you will have a haven of thieves working for you.

85% of embezzlement is committed by employees, and naturally 55% of those are done by Management.  Good luck, maybe you can check into her background?  I am curious to hear the outcome of this.

Other people are not going to steal just because she did and didn't get fired.

If she makes you money and you want her around, save her.  Don't worry about what the onlookers think.  If worried about that, fire somebody else just for the hell of it.

So, you'd allow your lady back in your life after you found out she's been fucking the neighbor?

Not thrilled about the drawn out aspect of the embezzlement though.  If was an impulse thing, be easy to get over but if it was a drawn out thing, might not be able to get over that.

GL

People are desperate out there.  "john" knows that "sally" was able to steal 5k and keep her job/not get prosecuted.  "john" falls behind on his mortgage and 10k will save his home...

Completely different situation. 

Would certainly go way, way, way out of the way to keep/save a good employee though. 

Nah......... people either steal or they don't.  It's internal, has nothing to do with what other people are doing.

You saying You would steal if JerryRice80 did and got away with it?

I'm just one "opinion"........

Can still chop off a finger if you want but good employees are hard to find and training is a pain in the ass.

And it's only money.... and only 5k.... maybe the smallest embezzlement in history.

I disagree. The parallel is the same if you're going to be forgiving. I took back a cheater once. It drove me nuts. When she was 15 minutes late, I'd convince myself she was out trolling again. If you let her back in, you're going to drive yourself insane and spend way too much of your valuable time keeping an eye on her. If you own a business, you don't want to be having to micromanage everyone and everything.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up $5K isn't alot of money. Yes it is. It's also not the amount that's in question inasmuch as it is the fact that she's proven she cannot be trusted. If $5K isn't much to you, then give it to the Muscular Dystrophy Association. They need it.