Just throwing this out there. I had to let go an employee last week for embezzling approximately $5000 from my business. This employee was with me for over 10 years, and made me a pile of dough. Was excellent at sales and customer service. She really seemed contrite, really apologized and seemed sincere. She stated she was responsible for what she did, and accept the consequences. We got along very well, just a great employee. I am torn. Do I charge this person with embezzlement? I'd be very surprised if she ever did anything like this again, but who knows? She lost a very good job with good pay. Her sales were UP every year for the 10 years, no easy feat. I am leaning on NOT charging, I just don't see what good it would be to destroy her and her family. Not sure $5000 is worth all of that for what she made for me. I completely understand she stole from me, and I am disappointed and very angry about that.
Get this...she said it was because of her gambling addiction. No lie Please, no sexual innuendo comments. It was nothing like that.
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Just throwing this out there. I had to let go an employee last week for embezzling approximately $5000 from my business. This employee was with me for over 10 years, and made me a pile of dough. Was excellent at sales and customer service. She really seemed contrite, really apologized and seemed sincere. She stated she was responsible for what she did, and accept the consequences. We got along very well, just a great employee. I am torn. Do I charge this person with embezzlement? I'd be very surprised if she ever did anything like this again, but who knows? She lost a very good job with good pay. Her sales were UP every year for the 10 years, no easy feat. I am leaning on NOT charging, I just don't see what good it would be to destroy her and her family. Not sure $5000 is worth all of that for what she made for me. I completely understand she stole from me, and I am disappointed and very angry about that.
Get this...she said it was because of her gambling addiction. No lie Please, no sexual innuendo comments. It was nothing like that.
Thanks Steve. Kind of what I was thinking too. It is just too bad. A real natural at the job. $5000 is really chump change compared to what she produced. I know I should be very upset, and I am, some, but what a waste. Even if it were triple that, I still came out way, way ahead. Don't steal, you WILL get caught!
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Thanks Steve. Kind of what I was thinking too. It is just too bad. A real natural at the job. $5000 is really chump change compared to what she produced. I know I should be very upset, and I am, some, but what a waste. Even if it were triple that, I still came out way, way ahead. Don't steal, you WILL get caught!
Tough situation for sure. I agree should not prosecute. Maybe if it has been 50 or 100.000.
Maybe she thought she could "loan" the money from you and then put the accounts right when she won. They always think they win right.
Maybe if you want to be very generous you could offer her, her job back under conditions.. say she went through treatment for gambling... paid the money back.. ect.
But that is wholy up to you.. i am sure she is in a lot of pain right now.
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Tough situation for sure. I agree should not prosecute. Maybe if it has been 50 or 100.000.
Maybe she thought she could "loan" the money from you and then put the accounts right when she won. They always think they win right.
Maybe if you want to be very generous you could offer her, her job back under conditions.. say she went through treatment for gambling... paid the money back.. ect.
But that is wholy up to you.. i am sure she is in a lot of pain right now.
Appreciate it Fox, I really do believe she understands the consequences. She was good at her job, and I do think she loved what she did. She is 52, and has never been charged with any crime. Or she never got caught.....
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Appreciate it Fox, I really do believe she understands the consequences. She was good at her job, and I do think she loved what she did. She is 52, and has never been charged with any crime. Or she never got caught.....
That's a great idea, Mikeal. Just don't know if I could ever trust her again. I allowed this person to basically run things with little to no interference. She had it made. I am not hard to work for, but I do expect loyalty and honesty. For certain, I will miss her. She made some great contacts, was heavily involved in the community and everyone thought highly of her. As I stated earlier, she never has been in trouble before.
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That's a great idea, Mikeal. Just don't know if I could ever trust her again. I allowed this person to basically run things with little to no interference. She had it made. I am not hard to work for, but I do expect loyalty and honesty. For certain, I will miss her. She made some great contacts, was heavily involved in the community and everyone thought highly of her. As I stated earlier, she never has been in trouble before.
If you have a good realtionship with her then I would probably let her sweat it out for a week or two, then I might offer her job back to her if she paid it back. I might also have her write an appology letter admitting to what she did and let her know that if it ever happened again you will definetly have her charged
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If you have a good realtionship with her then I would probably let her sweat it out for a week or two, then I might offer her job back to her if she paid it back. I might also have her write an appology letter admitting to what she did and let her know that if it ever happened again you will definetly have her charged
I will consider that ricefan. Right now I am still a little shocked by this. But great idea. Glad I brought it up here. Not going to be easy to replace her, and hey, she did a bang up job!!! From what I can gather, this has been going on for 7/8 months. I am just sick over this.
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I will consider that ricefan. Right now I am still a little shocked by this. But great idea. Glad I brought it up here. Not going to be easy to replace her, and hey, she did a bang up job!!! From what I can gather, this has been going on for 7/8 months. I am just sick over this.
Got it wallstreet. She did state she was flat broke, that is why she took the money. I don't believe she can pay it back quickly. Maybe over some time. I could have her work it off, then let her go without telling her that. I think I may just forget it and move on and hire someone else. We have all made stupid decisions. I know she stole from me, but I just can't ruin several lives over this amount of money. Maybe I am just too soft.
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Got it wallstreet. She did state she was flat broke, that is why she took the money. I don't believe she can pay it back quickly. Maybe over some time. I could have her work it off, then let her go without telling her that. I think I may just forget it and move on and hire someone else. We have all made stupid decisions. I know she stole from me, but I just can't ruin several lives over this amount of money. Maybe I am just too soft.
Got it wallstreet. She did state she was flat broke, that is why she took the money. I don't believe she can pay it back quickly. Maybe over some time. I could have her work it off, then let her go without telling her that. I think I may just forget it and move on and hire someone else. We have all made stupid decisions. I know she stole from me, but I just can't ruin several lives over this amount of money. Maybe I am just too soft.
No..
You cannot run a business with someone that you know stole from you. I dont care how great of an employee she was, it is a huge mistake allowing someone back who broke your trust once.
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Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:
Got it wallstreet. She did state she was flat broke, that is why she took the money. I don't believe she can pay it back quickly. Maybe over some time. I could have her work it off, then let her go without telling her that. I think I may just forget it and move on and hire someone else. We have all made stupid decisions. I know she stole from me, but I just can't ruin several lives over this amount of money. Maybe I am just too soft.
No..
You cannot run a business with someone that you know stole from you. I dont care how great of an employee she was, it is a huge mistake allowing someone back who broke your trust once.
Wall is right. You can't have someone back that stole from you just like you don't mix business with pleasure. It will create doubts and some awkward moments as it'll always be on the back of each of your minds.
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Wall is right. You can't have someone back that stole from you just like you don't mix business with pleasure. It will create doubts and some awkward moments as it'll always be on the back of each of your minds.
Well it is difficult because if she is addicted to gambling and let it come to a level where she jeopardize her life and family , that means she is sick.
Yes she stole, but like alcoholism, it is the same with gambling. I would say that if you where to ever take her back, it can not happen without she receive treatment for gambling and entirely stop gambling.
I believe in second chances, but you need to strike the right balance.
A) Treatment B) No more gambling (Let go if she do) C) When start working (part of her pay with held each month to repay what is owed to you. D) Your supervision for a while with her doings.
Tell her after some consideration you are giving her a chance not many would get but that there is not room for any more mistakes. She might turn out to be even a better employee, but you need to keep watching what she does.
Anyway either that or a clean break, whatever your stomach is up for. I guess it all depends on ones temperament what one chooses.
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Well it is difficult because if she is addicted to gambling and let it come to a level where she jeopardize her life and family , that means she is sick.
Yes she stole, but like alcoholism, it is the same with gambling. I would say that if you where to ever take her back, it can not happen without she receive treatment for gambling and entirely stop gambling.
I believe in second chances, but you need to strike the right balance.
A) Treatment B) No more gambling (Let go if she do) C) When start working (part of her pay with held each month to repay what is owed to you. D) Your supervision for a while with her doings.
Tell her after some consideration you are giving her a chance not many would get but that there is not room for any more mistakes. She might turn out to be even a better employee, but you need to keep watching what she does.
Anyway either that or a clean break, whatever your stomach is up for. I guess it all depends on ones temperament what one chooses.
The initial instinct of a compassionate person is to say give her a chance to make amends. Everyone deserves a second chance SOMETIMES.
However you are giving her a blessing just by not prosecuting her. You sound like a man with a good heart. But what example would keeping her exhibit to the rest of your staff?
As hard as it is wish her the best and let her go.
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The initial instinct of a compassionate person is to say give her a chance to make amends. Everyone deserves a second chance SOMETIMES.
However you are giving her a blessing just by not prosecuting her. You sound like a man with a good heart. But what example would keeping her exhibit to the rest of your staff?
As hard as it is wish her the best and let her go.
This is no doubt a life changing event for you BOTH. First of all, your dream office has been turned upside down and it must be quite a shocker. As we know, nobody is indispensable, so you can and will eventually sail through these choppy waters and onward to a better place.
On the other hand, she is in a very tough spot. At age 52, she's got everything to lose. Her business career could be over, her marriage could be over, she might even be thinking her life is over.
I think if you take you back, it's a grand slam. You help her get back up on her feet and she will be twice the asset you thought you had. Everybody deserves a second chance. And this time, she will never forget the man that reached out to help and rescue her, instead of kicking her down into the gutter.
Let me ask you this... You get an emergency phone call saying she just Over Dosed, couldn't deal with the thought of betraying you, and decided to take her life. How does this play inside your head?
Help her get her life back together. You hold all the cards and call all the shots and determine all the plays, how can you lose?
You will BOTH be better people for what has happened.
IF you do the right thing and help her. It's up to you. You're the only one who can help her at this point. The sooner, the better. Don't let this tragedy drag out any further. Everybody deserves a second chance. You determine the conditions.
GL
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This is no doubt a life changing event for you BOTH. First of all, your dream office has been turned upside down and it must be quite a shocker. As we know, nobody is indispensable, so you can and will eventually sail through these choppy waters and onward to a better place.
On the other hand, she is in a very tough spot. At age 52, she's got everything to lose. Her business career could be over, her marriage could be over, she might even be thinking her life is over.
I think if you take you back, it's a grand slam. You help her get back up on her feet and she will be twice the asset you thought you had. Everybody deserves a second chance. And this time, she will never forget the man that reached out to help and rescue her, instead of kicking her down into the gutter.
Let me ask you this... You get an emergency phone call saying she just Over Dosed, couldn't deal with the thought of betraying you, and decided to take her life. How does this play inside your head?
Help her get her life back together. You hold all the cards and call all the shots and determine all the plays, how can you lose?
You will BOTH be better people for what has happened.
IF you do the right thing and help her. It's up to you. You're the only one who can help her at this point. The sooner, the better. Don't let this tragedy drag out any further. Everybody deserves a second chance. You determine the conditions.
Never thought of that. Great point. I think you may be on to something. Could be a real win/win situation. That would really be something, assisting another human being like this. As I said earlier, there isn't anyone here who hasn't done something very stupid once...
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Never thought of that. Great point. I think you may be on to something. Could be a real win/win situation. That would really be something, assisting another human being like this. As I said earlier, there isn't anyone here who hasn't done something very stupid once...
I have my own company. If this woman has done good by you for 10+ years and the community as you say than............Yes she did a bad thing. But GOOD people make mistakes. I would ask her out for dinner and have a true heart to heart. She is 52 and already seems struggling. If you reach out to her and put her on a tight leash ( meaning what she has access to and can and cant do) I would offer her the job back. Ask her to repay the money over 12 months. Or take it back bit by bit from his bonus. You never know why people do things or how bad things can be till your in her shoes. BUT 10+ years says alot in this day in age. Be there for here. She will forever be grateful. If she screws you again then do what needs to be done. My advice is be a friend first then a boss when you talk to her....Maybe she needs help.
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I have my own company. If this woman has done good by you for 10+ years and the community as you say than............Yes she did a bad thing. But GOOD people make mistakes. I would ask her out for dinner and have a true heart to heart. She is 52 and already seems struggling. If you reach out to her and put her on a tight leash ( meaning what she has access to and can and cant do) I would offer her the job back. Ask her to repay the money over 12 months. Or take it back bit by bit from his bonus. You never know why people do things or how bad things can be till your in her shoes. BUT 10+ years says alot in this day in age. Be there for here. She will forever be grateful. If she screws you again then do what needs to be done. My advice is be a friend first then a boss when you talk to her....Maybe she needs help.
Sorry for the shitty grammar didnt proof read. Kind of writing from the heart. Hell I never did anything like that at my last company and always looked out for my boss and made him look like a rockstar then he threw me and my family under the bus...Put it in drive about 100mph and then when he ruined me he put it in reverse and ran me over again. Meanwhile I never fucked him up business wise for fear of karma.
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Sorry for the shitty grammar didnt proof read. Kind of writing from the heart. Hell I never did anything like that at my last company and always looked out for my boss and made him look like a rockstar then he threw me and my family under the bus...Put it in drive about 100mph and then when he ruined me he put it in reverse and ran me over again. Meanwhile I never fucked him up business wise for fear of karma.
Do not hire her back ever. Once somebody steals from you, never let it happen again. Best way is to not put yourself in that position again.
Don't prosecute her if she pays the money back or goes to get help for gambling, but she has to do one. Either way, she wins and you should begin looking for another employee.
Good Luck
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Do not hire her back ever. Once somebody steals from you, never let it happen again. Best way is to not put yourself in that position again.
Don't prosecute her if she pays the money back or goes to get help for gambling, but she has to do one. Either way, she wins and you should begin looking for another employee.
How would you feel if you found out that she was "let go" from her previous job (10 years ago) because of embezzlement, but her former employer was sympathetic and didn't prosecute her then ?-
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How would you feel if you found out that she was "let go" from her previous job (10 years ago) because of embezzlement, but her former employer was sympathetic and didn't prosecute her then ?-
If your other employees know about what happened, it might not be a good decision to bring her back. If it just between you and her, then I would probably offer her the job back with the understanding that she must pay the entire amount back. She has been loyal to you for 10 years- maybe you could show her some loyalty on your end as well? How did you discover the theft and are you sure that it hasn't been happening more than just this one time?
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If your other employees know about what happened, it might not be a good decision to bring her back. If it just between you and her, then I would probably offer her the job back with the understanding that she must pay the entire amount back. She has been loyal to you for 10 years- maybe you could show her some loyalty on your end as well? How did you discover the theft and are you sure that it hasn't been happening more than just this one time?
Please, no sexual innuendo comments. It was nothing like that. 
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