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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:24 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:



    I disagree. The parallel is the same if you're going to be forgiving. I took back a cheater once. It drove me nuts. When she was 15 minutes late, I'd convince myself she was out trolling again. If you let her back in, you're going to drive yourself insane and spend way too much of your valuable time keeping an eye on her. If you own a business, you don't want to be having to micromanage everyone and everything.

    They are not dating.  This is a business decision,

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    I disagree. The parallel is the same if you're going to be forgiving. I took back a cheater once. It drove me nuts. When she was 15 minutes late, I'd convince myself she was out trolling again. If you let her back in, you're going to drive yourself insane and spend way too much of your valuable time keeping an eye on her. If you own a business, you don't want to be having to micromanage everyone and everything.

    They are not dating.  This is a business decision,

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:25 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleDouble:

    They are not dating.  This is a business decision,



    Have you ever owned a business and employed people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleDouble:

    They are not dating.  This is a business decision,



    Have you ever owned a business and employed people?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:26 PM ET #78

    No, I gamble on sports 24/7.

    When there are no games, I read comic books and play pinball.

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    No, I gamble on sports 24/7.

    When there are no games, I read comic books and play pinball.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:28 PM ET #79

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleDouble:

    Completely different situation. 

    Would certainly go way, way, way out of the way to keep/save a good employee though. 



    why would you ever try to help somebody who conscientiously and deliberately fucked you over multiple times?


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    Completely different situation. 

    Would certainly go way, way, way out of the way to keep/save a good employee though. 



    why would you ever try to help somebody who conscientiously and deliberately fucked you over multiple times?


     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:28 PM ET #80

    Cheating and stealing is cheating and stealing regardless of the conditions. I'm going on business #7 and it truly hurts when someone you've entrusted does this to you. It's all the best to avoid it happening again and it will happen again if you allow it.
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    Cheating and stealing is cheating and stealing regardless of the conditions. I'm going on business #7 and it truly hurts when someone you've entrusted does this to you. It's all the best to avoid it happening again and it will happen again if you allow it.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:30 PM ET #81

    I just said I was "one" opinion.

    Can ask 10 more people and get 11 more opinions.  There is no right or wrong here and everything is case by case.

    Personally, I'm too lazy to wanna go out and hire 10 more people and train them to find out only one who can sell or make money.

    People steal all the time, I don't feel violated.  Could actually care less.  That's what insurance agents are for.  Got other things to worry about

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    I just said I was "one" opinion.

    Can ask 10 more people and get 11 more opinions.  There is no right or wrong here and everything is case by case.

    Personally, I'm too lazy to wanna go out and hire 10 more people and train them to find out only one who can sell or make money.

    People steal all the time, I don't feel violated.  Could actually care less.  That's what insurance agents are for.  Got other things to worry about

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:31 PM ET #82

    And they are not dating..... she already said she was not a looker.... lol
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    And they are not dating..... she already said she was not a looker.... lol
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:32 PM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by williamwallace:



    why would you ever try to help somebody who conscientiously and deliberately fucked you over multiple times?




    Because he hasn't realized that out of the 365 days in a year, there are only 1 or 2 non gambling days where he'll get a chance to read his comic books?
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    why would you ever try to help somebody who conscientiously and deliberately fucked you over multiple times?




    Because he hasn't realized that out of the 365 days in a year, there are only 1 or 2 non gambling days where he'll get a chance to read his comic books?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:32 PM ET #84

    Are you guys cops or something?
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    Are you guys cops or something?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:34 PM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleDouble:

    Are you guys cops or something?


    Nope. We're just smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleDouble:

    Are you guys cops or something?


    Nope. We're just smart.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:35 PM ET #86

    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:



    Nope. We're just smart.

    Of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:



    Nope. We're just smart.

    Of course

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:39 PM ET #87

    Okay, let's play it out your way......... let's say you work there too. 

    This lady, who was historically a golden producer, screws up.  Owner not only fires her but also calls the cops.

    Would you feel good or bad about the organization after that?

    Bear in mind, workers wan't "security" aside from recognition.

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    Okay, let's play it out your way......... let's say you work there too. 

    This lady, who was historically a golden producer, screws up.  Owner not only fires her but also calls the cops.

    Would you feel good or bad about the organization after that?

    Bear in mind, workers wan't "security" aside from recognition.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:43 PM ET #88

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleDouble:

    Okay, let's play it out your way......... let's say you work there too. 

    This lady, who was historically a golden producer, screws up.  Owner not only fires her but also calls the cops.

    Would you feel good or bad about the organization after that?

    Bear in mind, workers wan't "security" aside from recognition.



    Nope. I'd feel worse if he didn't do something. Who wants to work for a milquetoast box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleDouble:

    Okay, let's play it out your way......... let's say you work there too. 

    This lady, who was historically a golden producer, screws up.  Owner not only fires her but also calls the cops.

    Would you feel good or bad about the organization after that?

    Bear in mind, workers wan't "security" aside from recognition.



    Nope. I'd feel worse if he didn't do something. Who wants to work for a milquetoast box?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:44 PM ET #89

    screws up??? its not like she forgot to wash her hands coming out of the bathroom.  she deliberately and methodically stole money.  game over.

    pressing charges is up to him, i might not do it.  but there is no chance in hell i ever want to see that bitch again.


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    screws up??? its not like she forgot to wash her hands coming out of the bathroom.  she deliberately and methodically stole money.  game over.

    pressing charges is up to him, i might not do it.  but there is no chance in hell i ever want to see that bitch again.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:46 PM ET #90

    CMT, you are correct.  That is alot of money.  Maybe not for this particular hotel (made our company over $500,000 on 2M sales.  That is just net profit, after all over head is deducted).  But I have a few others that DON'T make money, and I need to move money around.  $5000 pays a weeks payroll for some hotels.

    I believe I am going to call her and speak with her.  I am going to demand she repay me, and get professional.  I want a signed document from a professional that I can call, even visit once just to make sure, but I don't believe she would NOT go.  If I feel right about it, agrees to these terms, and she convinces me she is sincere, I am going to hire her back.  Thanks to all.  Please don't bash me over this decision, it has been grueling for me.

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    CMT, you are correct.  That is alot of money.  Maybe not for this particular hotel (made our company over $500,000 on 2M sales.  That is just net profit, after all over head is deducted).  But I have a few others that DON'T make money, and I need to move money around.  $5000 pays a weeks payroll for some hotels.

    I believe I am going to call her and speak with her.  I am going to demand she repay me, and get professional.  I want a signed document from a professional that I can call, even visit once just to make sure, but I don't believe she would NOT go.  If I feel right about it, agrees to these terms, and she convinces me she is sincere, I am going to hire her back.  Thanks to all.  Please don't bash me over this decision, it has been grueling for me.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:48 PM ET #91

    You'd be surprised at what happens when you cut people a break.  Yes, I have managed before.

    Had this one gal in my department who I wasn't crazy about.  She was always fighting and arguing with her co-workers.  She was kind of a chick bully and was hassling some of the nicer women.

    I sat her down more than once and asked her why she couldn't just chill, breathe, and get along with her co-workers.  If she was trying to ger ahead, or a raise or something, this was not the way to go about that.  I sign off on all those things and you are in the back of the line until you start acting nicer to your co-workers.

    Large company, and firing people is kind of a hassle.  Basically just let them die on the vine was much easier .... Anyway, I catch her rifling through my locked desk drawers looking at her co-workers evaluations.  She looked like a ghost.  Could have had her leave the building for good but really didn't want to spend half a day documenting this so I just shook my head, asked her if she was looking for anything in particular, and then walked out the door and went home without firing her.

    Next day, she was the nicest human being I have ever met and was delivering donuts to her co-workers.  Didn't turn into a superstar but she ended up being at least an average employee.  The OTHER employees were thrilled that 1)  Her attitude had changed, and 2)  THEIR management was cool tempered.

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    You'd be surprised at what happens when you cut people a break.  Yes, I have managed before.

    Had this one gal in my department who I wasn't crazy about.  She was always fighting and arguing with her co-workers.  She was kind of a chick bully and was hassling some of the nicer women.

    I sat her down more than once and asked her why she couldn't just chill, breathe, and get along with her co-workers.  If she was trying to ger ahead, or a raise or something, this was not the way to go about that.  I sign off on all those things and you are in the back of the line until you start acting nicer to your co-workers.

    Large company, and firing people is kind of a hassle.  Basically just let them die on the vine was much easier .... Anyway, I catch her rifling through my locked desk drawers looking at her co-workers evaluations.  She looked like a ghost.  Could have had her leave the building for good but really didn't want to spend half a day documenting this so I just shook my head, asked her if she was looking for anything in particular, and then walked out the door and went home without firing her.

    Next day, she was the nicest human being I have ever met and was delivering donuts to her co-workers.  Didn't turn into a superstar but she ended up being at least an average employee.  The OTHER employees were thrilled that 1)  Her attitude had changed, and 2)  THEIR management was cool tempered.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:49 PM ET #92

    Sry.  AND get professional help.  Seriously, I believe MOST of you would do the same in my situation, and you knew this person.  I don't usually feel this way, but I believe I can help this person.  Hey, might even help me get to heaven!
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    Sry.  AND get professional help.  Seriously, I believe MOST of you would do the same in my situation, and you knew this person.  I don't usually feel this way, but I believe I can help this person.  Hey, might even help me get to heaven!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:52 PM ET #93

    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:



    Nope. I'd feel worse if he didn't do something. Who wants to work for a milquetoast box?

    Management 101....... have to publicly fire somebody in the beginning to get that over with..  Learned that in 3rd grade.

    Management 102...... but NOT THE TOP PRODUCERS.

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    Nope. I'd feel worse if he didn't do something. Who wants to work for a milquetoast box?

    Management 101....... have to publicly fire somebody in the beginning to get that over with..  Learned that in 3rd grade.

    Management 102...... but NOT THE TOP PRODUCERS.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:55 PM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:

    CMT, you are correct.  That is alot of money.  Maybe not for this particular hotel (made our company over $500,000 on 2M sales.  That is just net profit, after all over head is deducted).  But I have a few others that DON'T make money, and I need to move money around.  $5000 pays a weeks payroll for some hotels.

    I believe I am going to call her and speak with her.  I am going to demand she repay me, and get professional.  I want a signed document from a professional that I can call, even visit once just to make sure, but I don't believe she would NOT go.  If I feel right about it, agrees to these terms, and she convinces me she is sincere, I am going to hire her back.  Thanks to all.  Please don't bash me over this decision, it has been grueling for me.

    .... for $500k net, I'd tell that lady she can steal all she wants.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:

    CMT, you are correct.  That is alot of money.  Maybe not for this particular hotel (made our company over $500,000 on 2M sales.  That is just net profit, after all over head is deducted).  But I have a few others that DON'T make money, and I need to move money around.  $5000 pays a weeks payroll for some hotels.

    I believe I am going to call her and speak with her.  I am going to demand she repay me, and get professional.  I want a signed document from a professional that I can call, even visit once just to make sure, but I don't believe she would NOT go.  If I feel right about it, agrees to these terms, and she convinces me she is sincere, I am going to hire her back.  Thanks to all.  Please don't bash me over this decision, it has been grueling for me.

    .... for $500k net, I'd tell that lady she can steal all she wants.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 7:04 PM ET #95

    Bandit1010-

    Seriously, here is what I would do....

    Just be ultra cool and not attacking, offensive, or passive/aggressive, or anything.  Just be as normal as can possibly be and ask her what she's got in the new account pipeline to get over this silly little hiccup.

    She'll work like a freaking dog and you'll get another $500k

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    Seriously, here is what I would do....

    Just be ultra cool and not attacking, offensive, or passive/aggressive, or anything.  Just be as normal as can possibly be and ask her what she's got in the new account pipeline to get over this silly little hiccup.

    She'll work like a freaking dog and you'll get another $500k

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 7:10 PM ET #96

    maybe if you paid her what she was worth she wouldnt have to steal from you

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    maybe if you paid her what she was worth she wouldnt have to steal from you

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 7:19 PM ET #97

    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    maybe if you paid her what she was worth she wouldnt have to steal from you

    If he wasn't paying her what she was worth she wouldn't (or shouldn't) have stayed 5 years.  What a ridiculous post. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    maybe if you paid her what she was worth she wouldnt have to steal from you

    If he wasn't paying her what she was worth she wouldn't (or shouldn't) have stayed 5 years.  What a ridiculous post. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 7:28 PM ET #98

    Maybe you are right, dillon.   She grossed $51,000 last year.  But still, if she wasn't happy with her salary, why not just say so?  I probably would have increased it.  I don't believe there is any justification for theft.  I don't believe 51G is terrible money for a medium sized city in the Midwest.   The managers write their own schedules--all depends on their help and volume/profitability--but this manager works about 42/44 hours per week.  Granted, they are on call 24/7....
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    Maybe you are right, dillon.   She grossed $51,000 last year.  But still, if she wasn't happy with her salary, why not just say so?  I probably would have increased it.  I don't believe there is any justification for theft.  I don't believe 51G is terrible money for a medium sized city in the Midwest.   The managers write their own schedules--all depends on their help and volume/profitability--but this manager works about 42/44 hours per week.  Granted, they are on call 24/7....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 7:50 PM ET #99

    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:

    Mr. Bandito...

    I'm not caustic, just experienced. When you have an employee, who is supposed to be making the tax deposits, take $175K from you, you'll get guarded. Of course, I now have to work out something with the IRS. This, by the way, is after they levied all of my accounts and my childrens as well.

    As I said before, it sounds like you've already made up your mind.

    Sounds like you stole the money yourself and hid it in your childrens accounts because the IRS does not rouch MINOR account unless under suspicion you are hiding money. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:

    Mr. Bandito...

    I'm not caustic, just experienced. When you have an employee, who is supposed to be making the tax deposits, take $175K from you, you'll get guarded. Of course, I now have to work out something with the IRS. This, by the way, is after they levied all of my accounts and my childrens as well.

    As I said before, it sounds like you've already made up your mind.

    Sounds like you stole the money yourself and hid it in your childrens accounts because the IRS does not rouch MINOR account unless under suspicion you are hiding money. 
     
     
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    Seems like you have a great plan that will certainly impact this woman's life.
    Respect does not come automatically with a position or a title-it is earned by making the right decisions at the right times. In this situation, you are earning the highest respect of all-self respect!
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    Seems like you have a great plan that will certainly impact this woman's life.
    Respect does not come automatically with a position or a title-it is earned by making the right decisions at the right times. In this situation, you are earning the highest respect of all-self respect!
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