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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 10:28 PM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AoaU7LlTk

         If you can watch this video and still insist that Bush and our gov't is telling us everything, and not hiding anything or lying, I really feel sorry for you. 

         I've never seen someone fail so miserably (and look so uncomfortable doing it) to avoid answering a question. 




    Its so sad how obvious it is and people just dont get it.

    makes me sick
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AoaU7LlTk

         If you can watch this video and still insist that Bush and our gov't is telling us everything, and not hiding anything or lying, I really feel sorry for you. 

         I've never seen someone fail so miserably (and look so uncomfortable doing it) to avoid answering a question. 




    Its so sad how obvious it is and people just dont get it.

    makes me sick
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:18 PM ET #152

    it was fixed, it was all planned, simple as that

    no air defense that morning?

    no military planes on call?

    bush should be executed along with a lot more government people

    government is evil? money makes them evil!

    wtc 7 was planned.
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    it was fixed, it was all planned, simple as that

    no air defense that morning?

    no military planes on call?

    bush should be executed along with a lot more government people

    government is evil? money makes them evil!

    wtc 7 was planned.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:19 PM ET #153

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFx1WaK54Vo&feature=related

    been watching this for the last 1 hr 45 minutes

    BUSH is the TERRIOST!
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFx1WaK54Vo&feature=related

    been watching this for the last 1 hr 45 minutes

    BUSH is the TERRIOST!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:21 PM ET #154

    watch 1:30 of this video

    a father
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    watch 1:30 of this video

    a father
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:27 PM ET #155

    lol @ bush at 1:36 in the video
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:28 PM ET #156

    hmmm, no investigation to all the murders of 9-1-1

    how the fuck can the government lie to the world?
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    hmmm, no investigation to all the murders of 9-1-1

    how the fuck can the government lie to the world?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:33 PM ET #157

    here is an idea ...

    lets have a replay without people in new york city within a few months ...

    1 world trade center is all most completed... 100 floors


    lets see if a airplane can take down 1 world trade center within a hour

    count down would be 9-11-12 

    less than a half of year away ...

    that would be evidence/proof 9-11 was planned.
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    here is an idea ...

    lets have a replay without people in new york city within a few months ...

    1 world trade center is all most completed... 100 floors


    lets see if a airplane can take down 1 world trade center within a hour

    count down would be 9-11-12 

    less than a half of year away ...

    that would be evidence/proof 9-11 was planned.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:35 PM ET #158

    looks like I know what im doing tonight...
    watching 9-1-1 videos on youtube ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiFnci6qPwE&feature=related
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    looks like I know what im doing tonight...
    watching 9-1-1 videos on youtube ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiFnci6qPwE&feature=related
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:36 PM ET #159

    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

    Former CIA Asset, Susan Lindauer, provides an extraordinary first-hand account from behind the intelligence curtain that shatters the government's lies about 9/11 and Iraq, and casts a harsh spotlight on the workings of the Patriot Act as the ideal weapon to bludgeon whistle blowers and dissidents. A terrifying true story of "black budget" betrayals and the Patriot Act, with its arsenal of secret evidence, indefinite detention and threats of forcible drugging,

    EXTREME PREJUDICE(Book by Susan Lindauer) reveals one Asset's desperate struggle to survive the brutal cover ups of 9/11 and Iraq. EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers a high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warnings of 9/11 and Iraq's contributions to the 9/11 investigation.


    is this former CIA worker spreading more truth or lies? hmm, i guess we'll find out when she dies of unnatural causes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA&feature=related




    A federal judge in Manhattan has ruled that Susan P. Lindauer, a former journalist and Congressional aide who was accused of working with Iraqi intelligence before the war, is still mentally incompetent to stand trial.

    Ms. Lindauer, who had been declared incompetent for trial by Judge Michael B. Mukasey, now the United States attorney general, tried to persuade a different judge that she was now competent.

    But the second judge, Loretta A. Preska of Federal District Court, ruled late Monday that while Ms. Lindauer was “highly intelligent” and “generally capable of functioning at a high level in many ways,” she also was suffering from a mental disease or defect.

    As a result, the judge said, Ms. Lindauer was “unable to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against her or to assist properly in her defense.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

    Former CIA Asset, Susan Lindauer, provides an extraordinary first-hand account from behind the intelligence curtain that shatters the government's lies about 9/11 and Iraq, and casts a harsh spotlight on the workings of the Patriot Act as the ideal weapon to bludgeon whistle blowers and dissidents. A terrifying true story of "black budget" betrayals and the Patriot Act, with its arsenal of secret evidence, indefinite detention and threats of forcible drugging,

    EXTREME PREJUDICE(Book by Susan Lindauer) reveals one Asset's desperate struggle to survive the brutal cover ups of 9/11 and Iraq. EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers a high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warnings of 9/11 and Iraq's contributions to the 9/11 investigation.


    is this former CIA worker spreading more truth or lies? hmm, i guess we'll find out when she dies of unnatural causes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA&feature=related




    A federal judge in Manhattan has ruled that Susan P. Lindauer, a former journalist and Congressional aide who was accused of working with Iraqi intelligence before the war, is still mentally incompetent to stand trial.

    Ms. Lindauer, who had been declared incompetent for trial by Judge Michael B. Mukasey, now the United States attorney general, tried to persuade a different judge that she was now competent.

    But the second judge, Loretta A. Preska of Federal District Court, ruled late Monday that while Ms. Lindauer was “highly intelligent” and “generally capable of functioning at a high level in many ways,” she also was suffering from a mental disease or defect.

    As a result, the judge said, Ms. Lindauer was “unable to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against her or to assist properly in her defense.”

     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:41 PM ET #160

    how the hell can a building fall within 1 hr???
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:43 PM ET #161

    why were there helicopters flying around???

    news? military? police? other?


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    why were there helicopters flying around???

    news? military? police? other?


     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:49 PM ET #162

    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

    Former CIA Asset, Susan Lindauer, provides an extraordinary first-hand account from behind the intelligence curtain that shatters the government's lies about 9/11 and Iraq, and casts a harsh spotlight on the workings of the Patriot Act as the ideal weapon to bludgeon whistle blowers and dissidents. A terrifying true story of "black budget" betrayals and the Patriot Act, with its arsenal of secret evidence, indefinite detention and threats of forcible drugging,

    EXTREME PREJUDICE(Book by Susan Lindauer) reveals one Asset's desperate struggle to survive the brutal cover ups of 9/11 and Iraq. EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers a high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warnings of 9/11 and Iraq's contributions to the 9/11 investigation.


    is this former CIA worker spreading more truth or lies? hmm, i guess we'll find out when she dies of unnatural causes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA&feature=related





    ''I'm an antiwar activist,'' Lindauer told WBAL-TV

    her commitment to nonviolence

    ''God is not a man,'' Lindauer explained. ''God is this supreme, magnificent force, intelligent, gorgeous beyond any description. If you've seen Alaska, you've seen the face of God.''


    ''In the early years, her activism generally took an approach which was Arabist, but Arabist from the standpoint of trying to lift sanctions, so that children would do better, and trying to get medicines into countries -- principally I'm talking about Iraq and Libya.''


    When I asked whether, in his opinion, Lindauer could have been recruited by an intelligence service, he paused for a long time before he responded. ''I would say that's a hard question to answer. If you're looking at it from the standpoint of an intelligent intelligence agency, absolutely not. She'd be the worst person you could ever recruit. If you're looking at it from the standpoint of my knowledge of Mideast intelligence services, are they dumb enough to recruit her, the answer is yes.''


    '' Lindauer wrote in a letter addressed to President-elect Bush on Dec. 22, 2000. ''I have identified a dozen bombings before they happened with a high degree of accuracy and a number of assassination attempts on world leaders.''


    In February 2002, soon after President Bush delivered his State of the Union address naming Iraq part of an ''axis of evil,'' the Iraqis invited Lindauer to Baghdad.


    ''When I first got there, I had the sense that -- I don't know how to put this, this is a very weird thing, it's like your imagination-working-kind-of-thing,'' she explained. ''I was in a room, and there were these mirrors, and I had this sense of Saddam Hussein being on the opposite side of the mirror looking in at me. Now I'm not saying that Saddam Hussein actually was there, but I had this very strong sense of presence, which was unlike anything I'd ever felt before, that was scrutinizing me up and down, ripping me apart. It was palpable.''

    ''Susan is perfectly capable, in certain ways, to live a reasonable life, to take care of herself, to get around, and at any localized time, sitting at dinner, she's completely coherent,'' he said, skirting the blunt layman's question of whether his friend is playing with all her marbles. ''It's in these longer-term views of memory, in what she remembers, in how she's pieced the world together, that she functions unlike the way anyone else does,'' Godfrey concluded. ''It's not the same mental model that you and I use.''


    Lindauer said that in those meetings she was seeking financial backing for a lawsuit against the United States and British governments for crimes she claimed they committed during the occupation of Iraq.













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    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

    Former CIA Asset, Susan Lindauer, provides an extraordinary first-hand account from behind the intelligence curtain that shatters the government's lies about 9/11 and Iraq, and casts a harsh spotlight on the workings of the Patriot Act as the ideal weapon to bludgeon whistle blowers and dissidents. A terrifying true story of "black budget" betrayals and the Patriot Act, with its arsenal of secret evidence, indefinite detention and threats of forcible drugging,

    EXTREME PREJUDICE(Book by Susan Lindauer) reveals one Asset's desperate struggle to survive the brutal cover ups of 9/11 and Iraq. EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers a high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warnings of 9/11 and Iraq's contributions to the 9/11 investigation.


    is this former CIA worker spreading more truth or lies? hmm, i guess we'll find out when she dies of unnatural causes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA&feature=related





    ''I'm an antiwar activist,'' Lindauer told WBAL-TV

    her commitment to nonviolence

    ''God is not a man,'' Lindauer explained. ''God is this supreme, magnificent force, intelligent, gorgeous beyond any description. If you've seen Alaska, you've seen the face of God.''


    ''In the early years, her activism generally took an approach which was Arabist, but Arabist from the standpoint of trying to lift sanctions, so that children would do better, and trying to get medicines into countries -- principally I'm talking about Iraq and Libya.''


    When I asked whether, in his opinion, Lindauer could have been recruited by an intelligence service, he paused for a long time before he responded. ''I would say that's a hard question to answer. If you're looking at it from the standpoint of an intelligent intelligence agency, absolutely not. She'd be the worst person you could ever recruit. If you're looking at it from the standpoint of my knowledge of Mideast intelligence services, are they dumb enough to recruit her, the answer is yes.''


    '' Lindauer wrote in a letter addressed to President-elect Bush on Dec. 22, 2000. ''I have identified a dozen bombings before they happened with a high degree of accuracy and a number of assassination attempts on world leaders.''


    In February 2002, soon after President Bush delivered his State of the Union address naming Iraq part of an ''axis of evil,'' the Iraqis invited Lindauer to Baghdad.


    ''When I first got there, I had the sense that -- I don't know how to put this, this is a very weird thing, it's like your imagination-working-kind-of-thing,'' she explained. ''I was in a room, and there were these mirrors, and I had this sense of Saddam Hussein being on the opposite side of the mirror looking in at me. Now I'm not saying that Saddam Hussein actually was there, but I had this very strong sense of presence, which was unlike anything I'd ever felt before, that was scrutinizing me up and down, ripping me apart. It was palpable.''

    ''Susan is perfectly capable, in certain ways, to live a reasonable life, to take care of herself, to get around, and at any localized time, sitting at dinner, she's completely coherent,'' he said, skirting the blunt layman's question of whether his friend is playing with all her marbles. ''It's in these longer-term views of memory, in what she remembers, in how she's pieced the world together, that she functions unlike the way anyone else does,'' Godfrey concluded. ''It's not the same mental model that you and I use.''


    Lindauer said that in those meetings she was seeking financial backing for a lawsuit against the United States and British governments for crimes she claimed they committed during the occupation of Iraq.













     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 11:53 PM ET #163

    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    how the hell can a building fall within 1 hr???


    What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

    Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.



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    how the hell can a building fall within 1 hr???


    What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

    Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.



     
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    How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?

    NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NIST NCSTAR 1-5A).

    As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:

    “The structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.

    Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.”

    In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.

    From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.



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    How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?

    NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NIST NCSTAR 1-5A).

    As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:

    “The structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.

    Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.”

    In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.

    From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.



     
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    Were the basic principles of conservation of momentum and energy satisfied in NIST’s analyses of the structural response of the towers to the aircraft impact and the fires?

    Yes. The basic principles of conservation of momentum and conservation of energy were satisfied in these analyses.   

    In the case of the aircraft impact analyses, which involved a moving aircraft (velocity) and an initially stationary building, the analysis did, indeed, account for conservation of momentum and energy (kinetic energy, strain energy).

    After each tower had finished oscillating from the aircraft impact, the subsequent degradation of the structure involved only minute (essentially zero) velocities. Thus, a static analysis of the structural response and collapse initiation was appropriate. Since the velocities were zero and since momentum is equal to mass times velocity, the momentum terms also equaled zero and therefore dropped out of the governing equations. The analyses accounted for conservation of energy.


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    Were the basic principles of conservation of momentum and energy satisfied in NIST’s analyses of the structural response of the towers to the aircraft impact and the fires?

    Yes. The basic principles of conservation of momentum and conservation of energy were satisfied in these analyses.   

    In the case of the aircraft impact analyses, which involved a moving aircraft (velocity) and an initially stationary building, the analysis did, indeed, account for conservation of momentum and energy (kinetic energy, strain energy).

    After each tower had finished oscillating from the aircraft impact, the subsequent degradation of the structure involved only minute (essentially zero) velocities. Thus, a static analysis of the structural response and collapse initiation was appropriate. Since the velocities were zero and since momentum is equal to mass times velocity, the momentum terms also equaled zero and therefore dropped out of the governing equations. The analyses accounted for conservation of energy.


     
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    What timelines did NIST develop and report for the collapses of the WTC towers?

    NIST developed and reported detailed timelines for various aspects of the WTC disaster beginning with the impact of the aircraft. These timelines included the progression of fires through the buildings, the response of the structure to damage and to fire, egress of occupants from the towers, and the emergency response. The timelines were developed based on extensive analysis of the photographic and video evidence, analysis of computer models, first person interviews, radio transmissions, and other data documenting the events of Sept. 11, 2001. A general timeline for each of the towers is reported in NIST NCSTAR 1. Detailed timelines for specific aspects of the WTC disaster are reported in NIST NCSTAR 1-2, NIST NCSTAR 1-5, NIST NCSTAR 1-6, NIST NCSTAR 1-7, and NIST NCSTAR 1-8.


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    What timelines did NIST develop and report for the collapses of the WTC towers?

    NIST developed and reported detailed timelines for various aspects of the WTC disaster beginning with the impact of the aircraft. These timelines included the progression of fires through the buildings, the response of the structure to damage and to fire, egress of occupants from the towers, and the emergency response. The timelines were developed based on extensive analysis of the photographic and video evidence, analysis of computer models, first person interviews, radio transmissions, and other data documenting the events of Sept. 11, 2001. A general timeline for each of the towers is reported in NIST NCSTAR 1. Detailed timelines for specific aspects of the WTC disaster are reported in NIST NCSTAR 1-2, NIST NCSTAR 1-5, NIST NCSTAR 1-6, NIST NCSTAR 1-7, and NIST NCSTAR 1-8.


     
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    The collapse sequence for WTC 1 proposed by NIST includes aircraft impact, core weakening, floor sagging and disconnection, inward bowing of the south wall, and collapse initiation. If the floors are disconnecting from the south wall, how were the floors able to exert forces on the exterior walls to cause the inward bowing?

    Analyses of the composite floor system under fire exposures determined from fire dynamics simulations and thermal analyses, predicted sagging subsequent to truss web diagonal buckling and failure of some seated connections (see NIST NCSTAR 1-6C). However, the vast majority of the connections remained intact. Further, the shear studs that attached the floor slab to the spandrel and the diagonal steel struts that connected the truss top chord to the intermediate columns also were capable of transferring inward pull forces. Thus, the sagging floors were capable of exerting an inward pull on the exterior columns and spandrel beams.



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    The collapse sequence for WTC 1 proposed by NIST includes aircraft impact, core weakening, floor sagging and disconnection, inward bowing of the south wall, and collapse initiation. If the floors are disconnecting from the south wall, how were the floors able to exert forces on the exterior walls to cause the inward bowing?

    Analyses of the composite floor system under fire exposures determined from fire dynamics simulations and thermal analyses, predicted sagging subsequent to truss web diagonal buckling and failure of some seated connections (see NIST NCSTAR 1-6C). However, the vast majority of the connections remained intact. Further, the shear studs that attached the floor slab to the spandrel and the diagonal steel struts that connected the truss top chord to the intermediate columns also were capable of transferring inward pull forces. Thus, the sagging floors were capable of exerting an inward pull on the exterior columns and spandrel beams.



     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 12:04 AM ET #169

    a lot of explosions in this video  in the bottom of the tower

    27 minute mark, #1, #2, to #7 #8
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    27 minute mark, #1, #2, to #7 #8
     
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    wow, a helicopter emerges after like so many minutes!
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    "Conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating."
     
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    a lot of explosions in this video  in the bottom of the tower

    27 minute mark, #1, #2, to #7 #8


    By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.


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    27 minute mark, #1, #2, to #7 #8


    By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 12:52 AM ET #173

    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    it was fixed, it was all planned, simple as that

    no air defense that morning?

    no military planes on call?

    bush should be executed along with a lot more government people

    government is evil? money makes them evil!

    wtc 7 was planned.



    China or Russia needs you.

    All their agents missed this.

    The Russian and Chinese spies and informants in the USA missed such a massive conspiracy.

    Wow Russia and China what an opportunity to discredit the USA government, heads must have rolled in those countries.


    But wait its all on YOU TUBE. Come on Russia and China, the truthers have all the information you require.

    Come on United Nations, Come on Security Council.

    Come on War Crimes Tribunal, the truthers have all the information, just look at the videos posted here, bring those members of the USA government to the Hague. Issue arrest warrants. Posters on here can help you, the expeets that post here can show you with the aid of you tube videos  the controlled explosions.



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    it was fixed, it was all planned, simple as that

    no air defense that morning?

    no military planes on call?

    bush should be executed along with a lot more government people

    government is evil? money makes them evil!

    wtc 7 was planned.



    China or Russia needs you.

    All their agents missed this.

    The Russian and Chinese spies and informants in the USA missed such a massive conspiracy.

    Wow Russia and China what an opportunity to discredit the USA government, heads must have rolled in those countries.


    But wait its all on YOU TUBE. Come on Russia and China, the truthers have all the information you require.

    Come on United Nations, Come on Security Council.

    Come on War Crimes Tribunal, the truthers have all the information, just look at the videos posted here, bring those members of the USA government to the Hague. Issue arrest warrants. Posters on here can help you, the expeets that post here can show you with the aid of you tube videos  the controlled explosions.



     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 1:51 AM ET #174

    if it did remove some of the fire protection, it would have gone down at an angle steel losing strengh on one side... and not the rest of the sides
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 2:04 AM ET #175

    Come on President Obama

    Guarantee a land slide election and destroy the Republican Party for ever.

    Address the Nation, say that you have been watching the You Tube Videos and the Tower 7 was a controlled demolition as clearly shown by the videos. That the Bush Administration killed its own citizens.

    Say that you apologize for the fact that you could track down OBL and kill him, yet despite been in control of government , with all those state secrets I was privy to, I could not find any evidence of conspiracy until I saw those You Tube Videos



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    Come on President Obama

    Guarantee a land slide election and destroy the Republican Party for ever.

    Address the Nation, say that you have been watching the You Tube Videos and the Tower 7 was a controlled demolition as clearly shown by the videos. That the Bush Administration killed its own citizens.

    Say that you apologize for the fact that you could track down OBL and kill him, yet despite been in control of government , with all those state secrets I was privy to, I could not find any evidence of conspiracy until I saw those You Tube Videos



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