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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 2:21 PM ET #226

    I'm not gonna read through all this,, but I drove by the Pentagon the other day and it does seem kinda impossible these ragheads coulda hit the building
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    "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way."
    ~ President Franklin D. Roosevelt

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    This is a FAKE QUOTE. According to Wikiquote:

            There are no records of Roosevelt having made such a statement, and this is most likely a misquotation of the widely reported comment he made in a speech at the Citadel (23 October 1935):

            Yes. we are on the way back — not by mere chance, not by a turn of the cycle. We are coming back more soundly than ever before because we planned it that way, and don't let anybody tell you differently.
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    Even that is a corruption, as the original is "we are planning it that way".

    Yes, we are on our way back— not just by pure chance, my friends, not just by a turn of the wheel, of the cycle. We are coming back more soundly than ever before because we are planning it that way. Don't let anybody tell you differently.
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    Additional research by Loren Collins tracks the origin down to a 1971 book Non Dare Call it Conspiracy.

    https://www.lorencollins.net/blog/?p=39


    It seem like the original quote from the speech (about the economic recovery) was frequently shortened for several decades into the 50's and 60's to "we planned it that way", and often used against FDR. Indeed Frank Knox, who ran against FDR as Vice Presidential candidate, used the phrase "We planned it that way" as the ironic title of a 1938 pamphlet attaching FDR.
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    Which attempts to link FDR's New Deal to communism, which of course was the major source of conspiracy theories later in the 1950, and hence probably explains how the quote ended up eventually corrupted and inserted in the conspiracy quote canon.

    So that phrase "we planned it that way" was famously associated with FDR.


    But the claimed quote that "In politics, nothing happens by accident" is a gross corruption. In fact FDR was making the opposite point by pointing out how unusual it was for something to go well as the result of a plan. He really saying "look at me! I planned something and it worked! Amazing!"





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    "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way."
    ~ President Franklin D. Roosevelt

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    This is a FAKE QUOTE. According to Wikiquote:

            There are no records of Roosevelt having made such a statement, and this is most likely a misquotation of the widely reported comment he made in a speech at the Citadel (23 October 1935):

            Yes. we are on the way back — not by mere chance, not by a turn of the cycle. We are coming back more soundly than ever before because we planned it that way, and don't let anybody tell you differently.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Even that is a corruption, as the original is "we are planning it that way".

    Yes, we are on our way back— not just by pure chance, my friends, not just by a turn of the wheel, of the cycle. We are coming back more soundly than ever before because we are planning it that way. Don't let anybody tell you differently.
    #

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Additional research by Loren Collins tracks the origin down to a 1971 book Non Dare Call it Conspiracy.

    https://www.lorencollins.net/blog/?p=39


    It seem like the original quote from the speech (about the economic recovery) was frequently shortened for several decades into the 50's and 60's to "we planned it that way", and often used against FDR. Indeed Frank Knox, who ran against FDR as Vice Presidential candidate, used the phrase "We planned it that way" as the ironic title of a 1938 pamphlet attaching FDR.
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    Which attempts to link FDR's New Deal to communism, which of course was the major source of conspiracy theories later in the 1950, and hence probably explains how the quote ended up eventually corrupted and inserted in the conspiracy quote canon.

    So that phrase "we planned it that way" was famously associated with FDR.


    But the claimed quote that "In politics, nothing happens by accident" is a gross corruption. In fact FDR was making the opposite point by pointing out how unusual it was for something to go well as the result of a plan. He really saying "look at me! I planned something and it worked! Amazing!"





     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 2:25 PM ET #228

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    What was the motivation for the Republican Party to attack kill their own citizens? There was no financial gain. No power grab? Why? Insurance money on a couple buildings? 

    Ummm How much do you think they made of these wars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    What was the motivation for the Republican Party to attack kill their own citizens? There was no financial gain. No power grab? Why? Insurance money on a couple buildings? 

    Ummm How much do you think they made of these wars?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 2:30 PM ET #229

    Any talk of how the structures should have fallen or not fallen is mere speculation imo.
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    Any talk of how the structures should have fallen or not fallen is mere speculation imo.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 3:24 PM ET #230

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    Any talk of how the structures should have fallen or not fallen is mere speculation imo.

    not for fire fighters, Civil Engineers and Architecture, this goes deeper than kids on youtube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    Any talk of how the structures should have fallen or not fallen is mere speculation imo.

    not for fire fighters, Civil Engineers and Architecture, this goes deeper than kids on youtube

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 3:32 PM ET #231

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    not for fire fighters, Civil Engineers and Architecture, this goes deeper than kids on youtube

    Since there is nothing remotely close to compare too how they fell, there is no surefire explaination of how they should of. Ergo, speculation imo 
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    not for fire fighters, Civil Engineers and Architecture, this goes deeper than kids on youtube

    Since there is nothing remotely close to compare too how they fell, there is no surefire explaination of how they should of. Ergo, speculation imo 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 3:48 PM ET #232

    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    I'm not gonna read through all this,, but I drove by the Pentagon the other day and it does seem kinda impossible these ragheads coulda hit the building

     

    That's a long drive from the Netherlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    I'm not gonna read through all this,, but I drove by the Pentagon the other day and it does seem kinda impossible these ragheads coulda hit the building

     

    That's a long drive from the Netherlands.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 4:00 PM ET #233

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    HutchEmAll – If I did reveal the source would you listen anyway?

    You have to let patriotism go and let go of the idea that the US government is righteous. You have to let go of the idea that the US government is not capable of committing mass genocide. You have to let go of everything the media tells you. You have to let go of all of the things that you were taught to believe in school.

    I don’t believe you would listen to whatever I post because in order for you to see or understand it, you have to let go of everything you were taught to believe in. Unless you are willing to see the truth, there is no amount of evidence I can show you to change your mind.

     

    If he did listen he would have to give up calling people.....potsmoker....fool....simpleton....moron....monkey....clown....paranoid....delusional....insane....and imbecile if they didn't agree with him 100 %. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    HutchEmAll – If I did reveal the source would you listen anyway?

    You have to let patriotism go and let go of the idea that the US government is righteous. You have to let go of the idea that the US government is not capable of committing mass genocide. You have to let go of everything the media tells you. You have to let go of all of the things that you were taught to believe in school.

    I don’t believe you would listen to whatever I post because in order for you to see or understand it, you have to let go of everything you were taught to believe in. Unless you are willing to see the truth, there is no amount of evidence I can show you to change your mind.

     

    If he did listen he would have to give up calling people.....potsmoker....fool....simpleton....moron....monkey....clown....paranoid....delusional....insane....and imbecile if they didn't agree with him 100 %. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2012 - 10:13 PM ET #234

    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    Ummm How much do you think they made of these wars?

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Those wars were in the works before the attacks. The war in Iraq was the WMD conspiracy. You are getting them confused. Read Richard Clarke's shit, he was there. The entire admin was obsessed with Saddam H.They were going into Iraq regardless. I know they make money off wars. It's why they have wars. There was no attack on US citizens by the US government prior to any of the recent wars. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    Ummm How much do you think they made of these wars?

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Those wars were in the works before the attacks. The war in Iraq was the WMD conspiracy. You are getting them confused. Read Richard Clarke's shit, he was there. The entire admin was obsessed with Saddam H.They were going into Iraq regardless. I know they make money off wars. It's why they have wars. There was no attack on US citizens by the US government prior to any of the recent wars. 
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling
     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2012 - 4:16 PM ET #236

     IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH 

     

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     IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling
    That's exactly how I feel. I don't know what to believe. Every time I see a 911 patriotic believer I shake my head at the ignorance. Then I see a 911 truther and I shake my head and rub my eyes. I guess i'm a centrist on this issue because I know my government capable of fucked up shit and I really don't want to believe my government killed our citizens for money. I don't want to believe it but that doesn't mean they didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling
    That's exactly how I feel. I don't know what to believe. Every time I see a 911 patriotic believer I shake my head at the ignorance. Then I see a 911 truther and I shake my head and rub my eyes. I guess i'm a centrist on this issue because I know my government capable of fucked up shit and I really don't want to believe my government killed our citizens for money. I don't want to believe it but that doesn't mean they didn't.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling

    Awesome video. I agree, I dont know what to believe either. What I do believe is that there is no way all that happened without some inside help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling

    Awesome video. I agree, I dont know what to believe either. What I do believe is that there is no way all that happened without some inside help.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

     IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH 

     


    Then you are the Hulk.


    The funny thing about conspiracies is everyone has to be all in until they die.  Piss someone off and they squeal (For goodness sake, the Saints couldn't even keep a secret from the NFL Commish). Watergate.....outing CIA operatives.  

    The government can't even keep secret the most simple operations yet you give them credit for pulling off the biggest caper ever.  That is damn funny.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

     IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH 

     


    Then you are the Hulk.


    The funny thing about conspiracies is everyone has to be all in until they die.  Piss someone off and they squeal (For goodness sake, the Saints couldn't even keep a secret from the NFL Commish). Watergate.....outing CIA operatives.  

    The government can't even keep secret the most simple operations yet you give them credit for pulling off the biggest caper ever.  That is damn funny.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling

    I have already explained the "2.3 trillion issue."  This video is a complete joke.  I honestly am blown away that you are married to an attorney.  I'm also surprised that you are not sleeping in a tent in the yard because attorneys generally give large credence to evidence.   
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=youtu.be

    best 5 minute video ever made on 9/11 conspiracy

    that being said, i dont know what to believe. i know our government is full of shit and there are holes everywhere in every story told about that day

    for what its worth, ive seen an A & E for 991 Truth live presentation. pretty compelling

    I have already explained the "2.3 trillion issue."  This video is a complete joke.  I honestly am blown away that you are married to an attorney.  I'm also surprised that you are not sleeping in a tent in the yard because attorneys generally give large credence to evidence.   
     
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    I'm not gonna read through all this,, but I drove by the Pentagon the other day and it does seem kinda impossible these ragheads coulda hit the building
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    I'm not gonna read through all this,, but I drove by the Pentagon the other day and it does seem kinda impossible these ragheads coulda hit the building
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    I have to admit it is hilarious.  The conspiracy theorists are largely composed of righties......who voted Bush into office.....TWICE.....the very same person who was the architect of 9/11.  And they will vote for Romney later this year.  
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    I have to admit it is hilarious.  The conspiracy theorists are largely composed of righties......who voted Bush into office.....TWICE.....the very same person who was the architect of 9/11.  And they will vote for Romney later this year.  
     
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    One never speaks of this assassination without making reckless judgements. The absurdity of the accusations,the total lack of evidence,nothing stops them. One must read everything with distrust.

    Voltaire,

     speaking about the incredible stories and conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of King Henri 1V of France.
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    One never speaks of this assassination without making reckless judgements. The absurdity of the accusations,the total lack of evidence,nothing stops them. One must read everything with distrust.

    Voltaire,

     speaking about the incredible stories and conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of King Henri 1V of France.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2012 - 1:48 PM ET #244

    People , trying to make some sense out of events that are not to their liking, find that a conspiracy theory, they can easily understand or adopt, and which fits a bias of theirs, often explains things very well.
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    People , trying to make some sense out of events that are not to their liking, find that a conspiracy theory, they can easily understand or adopt, and which fits a bias of theirs, often explains things very well.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2012 - 1:54 PM ET #245

    Video: The man speaks the truth

     

    Two building full of asbestos. This is part of the reason for demolition.

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    Video: The man speaks the truth

     

    Two building full of asbestos. This is part of the reason for demolition.

     
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    In his book The Paranoid Style in American Politics and Other Essays, Richard Hofstadter writes that


     "the typical procedure of the higher paranoid scholarship is to start with defensible assumptions."

     He goes on to say, in an observation tailor-made for the conspiracy theorists , that "the paranoid mentality is far more coher­ent than the real world, since it leaves no room for mistakes, failures or ambiguities ... It believes it is up against an enemy who is as infallibly rational as he is totally evil, and it seeks to match his imputed total competence with its own, leaving nothing unexplained and comprehending all of reality in one overreaching, consistent theory."

     Hofstadter says the "qualities" of the paranoid style are "heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy," and a "heroic striving for 'evidence' to prove that the unbeliev­ able is the only thing that can be believed."
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    In his book The Paranoid Style in American Politics and Other Essays, Richard Hofstadter writes that


     "the typical procedure of the higher paranoid scholarship is to start with defensible assumptions."

     He goes on to say, in an observation tailor-made for the conspiracy theorists , that "the paranoid mentality is far more coher­ent than the real world, since it leaves no room for mistakes, failures or ambiguities ... It believes it is up against an enemy who is as infallibly rational as he is totally evil, and it seeks to match his imputed total competence with its own, leaving nothing unexplained and comprehending all of reality in one overreaching, consistent theory."

     Hofstadter says the "qualities" of the paranoid style are "heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy," and a "heroic striving for 'evidence' to prove that the unbeliev­ able is the only thing that can be believed."
     
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    Author Mark Fenster

     feels that one reason for the success of major conspiracy theories is that

    they tell a "gripping, dramatic story ... The conspiracy narrative is com­pelling in its ... focus on the actions of the perpetrators of the evil conspiracy and [on] the defender of the moral order."
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     feels that one reason for the success of major conspiracy theories is that

    they tell a "gripping, dramatic story ... The conspiracy narrative is com­pelling in its ... focus on the actions of the perpetrators of the evil conspiracy and [on] the defender of the moral order."
     
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    For conspiracy theorists, all discrepancies, contradictions, anomalies, et cetera, are suspicious, and are the heart and soul of the conspiracy movement. In their universe, everything proceeds perfectly and there is no such thing as human error, incompetence, coincidence, or failure of memory. There are no innocent, benign explanations for anything.
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    For conspiracy theorists, all discrepancies, contradictions, anomalies, et cetera, are suspicious, and are the heart and soul of the conspiracy movement. In their universe, everything proceeds perfectly and there is no such thing as human error, incompetence, coincidence, or failure of memory. There are no innocent, benign explanations for anything.
     
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    A substantial majority of the conspiracy community is also extremely gullible, believing every story they hear without bothering to check it to see if it is accurate or makes any sense. As long as the story helps their theory, they buy it. They would improve the quality of their research appreciably by simply embracing rule number one of the journalistic profession: "If your mama says she loves you, check it out."
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    A substantial majority of the conspiracy community is also extremely gullible, believing every story they hear without bothering to check it to see if it is accurate or makes any sense. As long as the story helps their theory, they buy it. They would improve the quality of their research appreciably by simply embracing rule number one of the journalistic profession: "If your mama says she loves you, check it out."
     
     
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    "Or we'll say, "What a coincidence," or "What are the odds of this happening?" But in the world of con­spiracy theorists, happenstance and coincidences don't exist. What appears to be a random coincidence is really always complicity. Indeed, perhaps the only coincidence they wiII acknowledge is that the words coin­cidence and complicity each start with the letter C and each has four syllables.
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    "Or we'll say, "What a coincidence," or "What are the odds of this happening?" But in the world of con­spiracy theorists, happenstance and coincidences don't exist. What appears to be a random coincidence is really always complicity. Indeed, perhaps the only coincidence they wiII acknowledge is that the words coin­cidence and complicity each start with the letter C and each has four syllables.
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