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But telling the conspiracy theorists they have failed doesn't phase them at all. In fact, it's like waving a red flag in front of a bull. They are so tenacious and desperate to prove a conspiracy.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BMA:

But telling the conspiracy theorists they have failed doesn't phase them at all. In fact, it's like waving a red flag in front of a bull. They are so tenacious and desperate to prove a conspiracy.



is it a conspiracy the PTB is suppressing the availability of free energy?
 
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It has to be noted that along with the allegation of planted evidence, the other main conspiracy argument conspiracy theorists have made over and over again is that much of the evidence  was forged or tampered with by the authorities.
 But not once have the theorists ever proved this allegation. Yet, the very group always shouting forgery and tampering has been caught on many occasions forging documents to make its point in the 9/11 debate.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

Video: The man speaks the truth

 

Two building full of asbestos. This is part of the reason for demolition.


Unfortunately, the man isn't an expert re. asbestos.....or building structures.  You really make me laugh.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BMA:

It has to be noted that along with the allegation of planted evidence, the other main conspiracy argument conspiracy theorists have made over and over again is that much of the evidence  was forged or tampered with by the authorities.
 But not once have the theorists ever proved this allegation. Yet, the very group always shouting forgery and tampering has been caught on many occasions forging documents to make its point in the 9/11 debate.

The technical professionals they rely on are continually shown to be frauds.  Even the BYU guy was told to get the hell out.  Is there anyone who says 9/11 was not a government job that has gotten tossed to the street.  I don't think so.  But I'm sure the government got to them as well.  

As I've said before, a conspiracy can only exist if everyone takes it to their grave.  I'm sure all the people required to carry something like 9/11 out will keep mum forever.  

Seemed to work for Watergate....oh, I guess it didn't.  Seemed to work for Reagan when he gave aid to the contras....oh, wait, it didn't.  Seemed to work OK when Lewinsky gave Clinton head.....oh wait, it didn't.  

LMFAO.   
 
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In explaining that what happened on 9/11 was so horrendous, so incredible, so shattering that the American people demanded that the cause or reason for the murder equal the effect.


 There is an aesthetic principle involved.

 If you take the mur­der of six million person in Europe and you put that at one end of the scale, at the other end you can put the Nazis, the greatest gang of criminals ever to seize control of a modern government.

 So there is a rough balance.

 Greatest crime, greatest criminals.

 But if you put the murder of 2977 people on 9/11 at one end of the scale, and you put that with death of 19 Hijackers  on the other end, it just doesn't balance.

And you want to put some­ thing on the hijackers side to make it balance. A conspiracy would do that beautifully. Unfor­tunately, there's no evidence whatever of that.
 
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     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      

 
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The " plane " that hit the Pentagon vaporized and the ground at the scene was buried with fresh dirt and sod in record time yet they found the DNA to almost all of the passangers and hi-jackers.

Just show film of an actual PLANE hitting the Pentagon and about 50% of the non-believers like myself will be satisfied that the US government had nothing to do with the attacks.

 

Oh wait.........  "That's classified."

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      



Yep, the failure to  investigate this incident properly and to hold anyone accountable is some of the strongest evidence.

The 9/11 commission was a complete joke. AND MANY ON THE 9/11 COMMISSION AGREE THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS A JOKE AND A TRAVESTY.

What do BMA and Hutch have to say about that sentence in caps. I'm sure they have some state-sanctioned aberration of reality for this.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      






-Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      




You an expert on

Structural Performance and Aircraft Impact Damage Prediction

Structural Fire Response and Collapse

Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel

Civil Engineering

Mechanical Engineering

Structural Engineering,

Metallurgy

Mechanical Engineering & Materials Science

Physical Chemistry

Physics,

Then don't make such declarations. Leave it to the panel of experts that do. Don't try and tell us how long buildings take to collapse when really you have no idea.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      




ALL THE EXPERTS AT NIST


 sat down together and agreed to be part of a conspiracy that killed thousands of American Citizens,



 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      




The 13 experts of the NIST Investigation would if there had been a conspiracy produced a fraudulant report


Apparently, then, such distinguished Americans as these experts got together in some smoky back room and all of them agreed, for some ungodly reason, to do the most dishonourable deed imaginable-give organized crime, the CIA, the military-industrial complex, or whoever was behind the 9/11, a free pass in the murder of citizens of United States.



And in the process, not only risk destroying everything they had worked for-their reputation and legacy to their families-but expose themselves to prosecution for the crime of accessory after the fact to murder. Ask yourself this: would any of these investigators, for instance, risk being remembered as an accessory after the fact to the murder of this nation's citizens, one who disgraced himself his country.




The mere asking of the question demonstrates the absurdity of the thought.


Indeed, why would any of the members of the NIST and their staff stake their good reputation on a report they prepared which they knew to be fraudulent?




 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      





Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.
In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.
For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.



 
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Another thing worth mentioning.

Hutch or BMA mentioned that if Russia thought it was a conspriracy then why don't they say anything?

Duh..... Because they do the exactly the same thing to their people on a regular basis.

The only difference is that this country is naive enough to think it is free. Even elections are trivialized by seemingly state-sanctioned media outlets like Fox news that will outright lie and create the news.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      




Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was unlikely.
Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails.
To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place. This is for one column . presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.
It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.
Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.
Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for interior partitions.




 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      






it is not possible to keep secrets

In his book, Loving God, former presidential assistant Charles Colson, in writing about Watergate, said, "With the most powerful office in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists [of President Richard Nixon] ... could not hold a conspiracy together for more than two weeks.”


But as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once said (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut

Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.


On a national scale we see this phenomenon at work with one presidential administration after another being unable to control, frequently for even a few days, "leaks" to the media on matters they did not want known.

 (One exam­ ple among thousands: USA Today reported on]July 19,2002, that "recent news leaks [of classified information from a congressional probe of 9-11 intelligence failures] have infu­riated the 'White House and prompted Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to issue a memo warning that staffers who spill secrets are jeopardizing American lives.")'

In the JFK assassination case , we saw that although only a few members of the FBI's Dallas office were involved, they were unable to keep secret their effort to suppress Oswald's leaving a threatening note at the Dallas office about ten days or so before the assassination.



When we apply this literal rule of life to the alleged massive conspiracy the conspir­acy theorists claim existed in 9/11-massive not only in the considerable number of people who would have had to be involved,  but also in the great number of details and matters that would have had to be suppressed, any one of which could have exposed the plot or given rise to an inference of its existence, and which allegedly included the doctoring of many photographs and crime scenes,  and the murder of  people to silence them, and then the cover-up of each of these murders-we can be certain that if such a conspiracy took place, its existence would have broken out of its original shell in a thousand different ways, and relatively quickly.



 Yet after 10 years, not one credible word, not one syllable has ever surfaced about any conspiracy .

 The reason why not the slightest trace of a conspiracy has ever been uncovered, of course, is that no such conspiracy ever existed.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      





another reason there can be no conspiracy


Note that peripheral figures in any conspiracy would be more likely to come forward because their limited role would not result in serious punishment-in fact, most likely no punishment at all because of a plea bargain in which they'd have to name higher-ups. And their inducement would be considerable financial rewards (books, TV movies based on their disclosures, etc.). And mere informants, who wouldn't be exposed to any legally adverse consequences, would only have financial rewards for coming forward.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      



Obviously, the more complicated a plot is, the greater the likelihood that something will go wrong and it won't work.

 Everyone intuitively knows this, and hence we can assume that if there had been a 9/11 plot, the plotters would have made it as uncom­plicated as possible. But the massive conspiracy envisioned by most conspiracy theorists necessarily would be extremely complex, and this fact is greatly exacerbated by the ineptitude of human beings.


 The staggering incompetence at every level of our society, one that normally prevents any group, large or small, including the US. government and its agen­cies, from performing at anywhere near optimum capacity.

Indeed, on a scale of one to ten, they normally operate below five.

 Incompetence is so widely prevalent that it is expected, and when one finds competence ,one is always pleasantly surprised.

 One example among a great many, this one at the CIA, the main federal agency conspiracy theorists suspect of being behind the assassination.

 In 1994, Aldrich Ames, chief of the CIA's Soviet counterintelligence branch, pleaded guilty to the biggest espionage case in U.S. history.

Ames furnished the Soviets US. secrets in return for more than $2 million. His per­fidy led to the deaths of several Russian undercover agents working for the United States in the Soviet Union. Ames told his interrogators it was "really easy" to obtain the top­ secret information even after he was transferred to anti-narcotics work in the early 1990s.

In noting that it took an incredible nine years for Ames's colleagues and superiors at CIA headquarters to catch him, syndicated columnist Mary McGrory wrote that "Ames
and his wife did everything they could to arouse suspicion, living it up in the most provocative manner. What G5-14, on a salary of $69,000-plus, pays half a million in cash [$540,000] for a house in Arlington, Virginia, buys a bright red Jaguar [which he drove to work] and runs up Trumplike charges on his credit card?" A November 1994 report on the Ames case from the Senate Intelligence Committee found "gross negligence" ("negligence" being a euphemism here for incompetence) at CIA headquarters in Langley, Vir­ginia, and reports from both the Senate Intelligence Committee and the House Select Committee on Intelligence "agreed that the agency [CIA] is in deep disarray," a condi­ tion, they said, that long predated the Ames case.


 
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     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      



In 1986 the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), with billions of dollars spent, and the finest scientific minds available, and with the space shut­tle Challenger right in front of their noses for inspection, and with a defective pressure seal wrongly designed and about which they had been advised and warned on  numerous occa­sions, sent seven astronauts to their death because of their dreadful incompetence.



 Speak ing of NASA, on the first day of the Apollo 8 flight that circumnavigated the moon, when Colonel Frank Borman, the commander of the flight, was sending transmissions back to Cape Kennedy, he referred to the Apollo 8 flight as the Gemini 8 flight, a flight he had participated in three years earlier. That's life in the real world.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      




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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:52:46 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by joemw74:

it was fixed, it was all planned, simple as that

no air defense that morning?

no military planes on call?

bush should be executed along with a lot more government people

government is evil? money makes them evil!

wtc 7 was planned.



China or Russia needs you.

All their agents missed this.

The Russian and Chinese spies and informants in the USA missed such a massive conspiracy.

Wow Russia and China what an opportunity to discredit the USA government, heads must have rolled in those countries.


But wait its all on YOU TUBE. Come on Russia and China, the truthers have all the information you require.

Come on United Nations, Come on Security Council.

Come on War Crimes Tribunal, the truthers have all the information, just look at the videos posted here, bring those members of the USA government to the Hague. Issue arrest warrants. Posters on here can help you, the expeets that post here can show you with the aid of you tube videos  the controlled explosions.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

     I wonder why the president and other top gov't officials said that there was no way they could have predicted terrorists flying planes into buildings.  Go to 3:09...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

  Doesn't make sense to me.  I also wonder why there are survivors that witnessed bomb explosions at the site.  THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING.  They saw their friends and co-workers die as a result of the explosions in the building.  Maybe they have hidden agendas.  Maybe they're lying.  Maybe they don't know what a bomb sounds or feels like.

     I wonder why the columns of the world trade center were cut diagonally as if it they were sheered by demolition explosions.  They were perfect diagonal cuts.  I wonder how that happens.

     I wonder how the professor from BYU found Thermate at the wreckage of the world trade center.  Thermate is a name brand of thermite.  Demolition experts use this substance in their explosives to blow up buildings.

     I wonder why the president would not agree to any recordings for the interviews of the 911 commission.  And why he REFUSED to be interviewed separately from the VP.

     Just sayin... too many questions.

     I don't know what all happened that day.  But I do know that the American people have been lied to again because there is more to the story than what we've been told.  And many people are content to believe that money, power, and greed had nothing to do with it. 

     The American public has been duped once again.  That makes me laugh, and it saddens me at the same time.

    

      



Come on President Obama

Guarantee a land slide election and destroy the Republican Party for ever.

Address the Nation, say that you have been watching the You Tube Videos and the Tower 7 was a controlled demolition as clearly shown by the videos. That the Bush Administration killed its own citizens.

Say that you apologize for the fact that you could track down OBL and kill him, yet despite been in control of government , with all those state secrets I was privy to, I could not find any evidence of conspiracy until I saw those You Tube Videos




 
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Quote Originally Posted by BMA:



In 1986 the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), with billions of dollars spent, and the finest scientific minds available, and with the space shut­tle Challenger right in front of their noses for inspection, and with a defective pressure seal wrongly designed and about which they had been advised and warned on  numerous occa­sions, sent seven astronauts to their death because of their dreadful incompetence.



 Speak ing of NASA, on the first day of the Apollo 8 flight that circumnavigated the moon, when Colonel Frank Borman, the commander of the flight, was sending transmissions back to Cape Kennedy, he referred to the Apollo 8 flight as the Gemini 8 flight, a flight he had participated in three years earlier. That's life in the real world.




You are building a road to nowhere. Again, we you acting if the government and all of its counterparts are a single entity. Not all branches of the government are sugar plums.
 
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Change in military response protocol to domestic air threats, changed just 3 months before 9/11.

Oh just another one the coincidences that enabled this event to take place. All coincidences, like 7 thousand of them........ But we're crazy for seeing something wrong with this state-sanctioned nonsense
 
 
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NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was unlikely.

Oh... I didn't realize this gov't agency said this.  Well then.  It must be true.  It couldn't have possibly been used.


To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place. This is for one column . presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.
It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.

I guess NIST came up with these numbers, so I'll blindly assume that it's all correct and true.  I trust the gov't, so this has to be the case, right?

No offense, but WHEN I SEE PICTURES OF PERFECT DIAGONAL CUTS TO STEEL COLUMNS, it makes me scratch my head.  Mmmm.  Oh wait a minute.  This couldn't have happened because the NIST said that the amount needed probably couldn't be brought in undetected.  Okay.  Sure. 

Wow.

Maybe those pictures were fake. 

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