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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 3:30 AM ET #176

    Armed Forces Bowl:

    SMU (-7) vs Army (Lean on under):

    Yet another game where my math/situations clash.  Both teams should be motivated in this game, but service academies have been great bets in bowl games over the years and pre-new years day dogs (7+) have been good bets over the years as well.  SMU is the far superior team from the line of scrimmage (+0.3/+0.4), compared to Army (-0.9/-0.4).  LIke I mentioned previously in a writeup, option teams are not as effected by strength of defense on offense.  Army averaged 5.10 yards per play against the 5 best defenses they faced who would normally allow 5.44 yards per play to an average offense.   SMU, however played Navy's offense very tough and has a strong run defense, so they will not be completely foreign to the offense they will be facing.  SMU also has the home field edge, but my projection have army running 12 more plays than SMU and they also have an edge in turnovers and special teams.  I like the under a bit as there won't be many plays run in this game most likely (Army only averages 125 plays/game-average team runs about 135).   Anyways, gl to those that play it.

    Math model: -10.18 SMU/48.2

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    Armed Forces Bowl:

    SMU (-7) vs Army (Lean on under):

    Yet another game where my math/situations clash.  Both teams should be motivated in this game, but service academies have been great bets in bowl games over the years and pre-new years day dogs (7+) have been good bets over the years as well.  SMU is the far superior team from the line of scrimmage (+0.3/+0.4), compared to Army (-0.9/-0.4).  LIke I mentioned previously in a writeup, option teams are not as effected by strength of defense on offense.  Army averaged 5.10 yards per play against the 5 best defenses they faced who would normally allow 5.44 yards per play to an average offense.   SMU, however played Navy's offense very tough and has a strong run defense, so they will not be completely foreign to the offense they will be facing.  SMU also has the home field edge, but my projection have army running 12 more plays than SMU and they also have an edge in turnovers and special teams.  I like the under a bit as there won't be many plays run in this game most likely (Army only averages 125 plays/game-average team runs about 135).   Anyways, gl to those that play it.

    Math model: -10.18 SMU/48.2

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 3:56 AM ET #177

    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    ROSE BOWL:

    TCU -3 (2 units) over Wisconsin:  It might shock you to hear me say this, but TCU might be the 2nd best team in the nation behind Boise.  Hard to fathom that two schools that get mid-level recruits and play in mid-level conferences could come up with the two best teams in the nation.  I doubt we will ever see it again. 

    TCU has been as consistent as a team can get over the past two years. 

    2010: OFF: +1.29 YPPL, DEF: +1.85 YPPL, OVERALL: +3.14 YPPLY,  SUCC Rate%: 63.6 vs SOS -2.27

    2009: OFF: +1.29 YPPL, DEF: 1.83 YPPL, OVERALL +3.12 YPPL, SUCC RATE%: 62.4 vs SOS -1.68

    No matter how I cut up the season, last 6 games, against tougher opponents, overall results from this year, 2009 results, TCU has been about +1.3 yards per play better than average on offense.  Their defense showed marginal improvement over the last 6 games (+2.00 yppl) and also was better against the two best offenses they played (utah, baylor).  They absolutely shut down Utah's offense, allowing 7 points and 2.95 yards per play to a team that would average 6.71 yards per play vs the average defense at home.  Against Baylor, they allowed only 10 points and 4.43 yards per play (average team would have allowed 7.03 yards to baylor at home).  In other words, TCU should be able to contain a very explosive Wisconsin offense.

    Wisconsin was +1.15 yards per play better than average on offense overall on the season.  Obviously, they got better as the season progressed. Perhaps because of Jon Clay's absence or perhaps they just got better as the season went on.  Either way, I'm not sure Jon Clay being healthy is exactly good news.  Both White and Ball were more efficient on a compensated yards per carry basis.   Anyways, over the last 6 games of the season, Wisconsin was +1.77 ypply better than average.  Against the 4 toughest defenses they faced (ASU, MSU, OSU, Iowa), they were +1.2 ypply on offense.  Against Ohio St & Iowa, they were +1.58 yards per play better than average.  At the end of the year they were piling up the yards vs the defensive stalwarts of michigan, northwestern, and indiana.  Not exactly a good indicator of what we will see against one of the best defenses in the country (better than ohio st & iowa).   Meanwhile, on defense Wisconsin was not all that much better than average (+0.34 yppl) & +0.56 yppl over the last 6 games. 

    Both teams defenses were slightly worse vs the run than the pass, so that will benefit both offenses slightly in this game, although TCU still had a top notch run defense, just not quite as good as their #1 pass defense.   TCU also has superior special teams and I have them running 11.5 more plays than Wisconsin will.   Wisconsin has a good success rate (57.4% against a schedule 0.73 pts easier than average), although that is still nowhere near TCU's (63.6% vs -2.27 SOS).

    I have no reason to see a reason to stay away from my math model in this game as I see no such situations that Wisconsin would benefit from.  If anything, they would be the team to lack a little focus after hearing the media talk about how they will take care of an underssized team that didnt play anyone nearly as good as Wisconsin did.  My math model favors TCU by 13.34 points and even if I use wisconsin's last 6 games and throw out the rest of the games (which is silly in my opinion), I would still get TCU at -9.88.  From a PPG model (adjusted for SOS obviously), I get TCU -9.26.  

    I was hoping that this line would come down as the public will hammer Wisconsin close to gametime, but I'm not sure the books will want to move this off 3 as they may get quite a bit of sharp money on TCU. 

    Math Model:  TCU -13.34/53.62



    Thanks for sharing your insights on the bowl games.  Just wondering if Baylor and Utah's shortcoming's in offense in this year's bowl's games have you making any adjustments in your math model for this game. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    ROSE BOWL:

    TCU -3 (2 units) over Wisconsin:  It might shock you to hear me say this, but TCU might be the 2nd best team in the nation behind Boise.  Hard to fathom that two schools that get mid-level recruits and play in mid-level conferences could come up with the two best teams in the nation.  I doubt we will ever see it again. 

    TCU has been as consistent as a team can get over the past two years. 

    2010: OFF: +1.29 YPPL, DEF: +1.85 YPPL, OVERALL: +3.14 YPPLY,  SUCC Rate%: 63.6 vs SOS -2.27

    2009: OFF: +1.29 YPPL, DEF: 1.83 YPPL, OVERALL +3.12 YPPL, SUCC RATE%: 62.4 vs SOS -1.68

    No matter how I cut up the season, last 6 games, against tougher opponents, overall results from this year, 2009 results, TCU has been about +1.3 yards per play better than average on offense.  Their defense showed marginal improvement over the last 6 games (+2.00 yppl) and also was better against the two best offenses they played (utah, baylor).  They absolutely shut down Utah's offense, allowing 7 points and 2.95 yards per play to a team that would average 6.71 yards per play vs the average defense at home.  Against Baylor, they allowed only 10 points and 4.43 yards per play (average team would have allowed 7.03 yards to baylor at home).  In other words, TCU should be able to contain a very explosive Wisconsin offense.

    Wisconsin was +1.15 yards per play better than average on offense overall on the season.  Obviously, they got better as the season progressed. Perhaps because of Jon Clay's absence or perhaps they just got better as the season went on.  Either way, I'm not sure Jon Clay being healthy is exactly good news.  Both White and Ball were more efficient on a compensated yards per carry basis.   Anyways, over the last 6 games of the season, Wisconsin was +1.77 ypply better than average.  Against the 4 toughest defenses they faced (ASU, MSU, OSU, Iowa), they were +1.2 ypply on offense.  Against Ohio St & Iowa, they were +1.58 yards per play better than average.  At the end of the year they were piling up the yards vs the defensive stalwarts of michigan, northwestern, and indiana.  Not exactly a good indicator of what we will see against one of the best defenses in the country (better than ohio st & iowa).   Meanwhile, on defense Wisconsin was not all that much better than average (+0.34 yppl) & +0.56 yppl over the last 6 games. 

    Both teams defenses were slightly worse vs the run than the pass, so that will benefit both offenses slightly in this game, although TCU still had a top notch run defense, just not quite as good as their #1 pass defense.   TCU also has superior special teams and I have them running 11.5 more plays than Wisconsin will.   Wisconsin has a good success rate (57.4% against a schedule 0.73 pts easier than average), although that is still nowhere near TCU's (63.6% vs -2.27 SOS).

    I have no reason to see a reason to stay away from my math model in this game as I see no such situations that Wisconsin would benefit from.  If anything, they would be the team to lack a little focus after hearing the media talk about how they will take care of an underssized team that didnt play anyone nearly as good as Wisconsin did.  My math model favors TCU by 13.34 points and even if I use wisconsin's last 6 games and throw out the rest of the games (which is silly in my opinion), I would still get TCU at -9.88.  From a PPG model (adjusted for SOS obviously), I get TCU -9.26.  

    I was hoping that this line would come down as the public will hammer Wisconsin close to gametime, but I'm not sure the books will want to move this off 3 as they may get quite a bit of sharp money on TCU. 

    Math Model:  TCU -13.34/53.62



    Thanks for sharing your insights on the bowl games.  Just wondering if Baylor and Utah's shortcoming's in offense in this year's bowl's games have you making any adjustments in your math model for this game. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 4:03 AM ET #178

    Played a bet on SMU


    after i looked at all the defensive rankings and offensives based on efficiency and sos....SMU is heavily favored..
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    after i looked at all the defensive rankings and offensives based on efficiency and sos....SMU is heavily favored..
     
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    gcnmoo

    loving it  how bout the rest

    kanst/syr

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    gcnmoo

    loving it  how bout the rest

    kanst/syr

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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 4:14 AM ET #180

    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    Armed Forces Bowl:

    SMU (-7) vs Army (Lean on under):

      Both teams should be motivated in this game, but service academies have been great bets in bowl games over the years and pre-new years day dogs (7+) have been good bets over the years as well. 

    I really like your anaylisis,,,,,, but I'm not down with the quoted line above at all,,,,,yuck!!!!!   I wish you would throw that out of your equation and then roll with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    Armed Forces Bowl:

    SMU (-7) vs Army (Lean on under):

      Both teams should be motivated in this game, but service academies have been great bets in bowl games over the years and pre-new years day dogs (7+) have been good bets over the years as well. 

    I really like your anaylisis,,,,,, but I'm not down with the quoted line above at all,,,,,yuck!!!!!   I wish you would throw that out of your equation and then roll with it...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 4:17 AM ET #181

    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    Armed Forces Bowl:

    SMU (-7) vs Army (Lean on under):

     SMU is the far superior team from the line of scrimmage (+0.3/+0.4), compared to Army (-0.9/-0.4).  LIke I mentioned previously in a writeup, option teams are not as effected by strength of defense on offense.  Army averaged 5.10 yards per play against the 5 best defenses they faced who would normally allow 5.44 yards per play to an average offense.   Math model: -10.18 SMU/48.2

    Now this is top shelf shit!!!   Very good stuff IMO....   

    You're a top 5 read at this place to me....   nice work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    Armed Forces Bowl:

    SMU (-7) vs Army (Lean on under):

     SMU is the far superior team from the line of scrimmage (+0.3/+0.4), compared to Army (-0.9/-0.4).  LIke I mentioned previously in a writeup, option teams are not as effected by strength of defense on offense.  Army averaged 5.10 yards per play against the 5 best defenses they faced who would normally allow 5.44 yards per play to an average offense.   Math model: -10.18 SMU/48.2

    Now this is top shelf shit!!!   Very good stuff IMO....   

    You're a top 5 read at this place to me....   nice work.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 5:28 AM ET #182

    Quote Originally Posted by valor:

    gcnmoo

    loving it  how bout the rest

    kanst/syr

    ncar/tenn

    wash/neb

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by valor:

    gcnmoo

    loving it  how bout the rest

    kanst/syr

    ncar/tenn

    wash/neb

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 6:01 AM ET #183

    moo is the man
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 9:58 AM ET #184

    Keep it going!
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 10:17 AM ET #185

     GO ARMY!!!!
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     GO ARMY!!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 12:45 PM ET #186

    Music City Bowl:

    UNC (PK) vs Tennessee (0.5 units on over at 50):  Total is a little low according to my math has Tennessee was a far better offense with Bray at the helms (although his completion % is quite suspect and he hit a few big plays so his numbers may be a bit deceiving with his model).  Game is in Nashville so Tennessee has probably half the home field edge it normally would have and UNC has a few players out (LB Bruce Carter, RB Johnny White) and a much worse special teams.  UNC was more consistent during the year however and should run more plays than Tennessee.  I gave Tennesssee a +0.75 yppl edge on offense using Bray's regressed stats combined with the season stats and that is similar to UNC's +0.85 season stats.  UNC's injury to White could be an issue as also 3rd string RBZ Elzy is out and RB Droughn has been very average over his career. 

    Math Model: UNC -0.14, Total 56.2

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    Music City Bowl:

    UNC (PK) vs Tennessee (0.5 units on over at 50):  Total is a little low according to my math has Tennessee was a far better offense with Bray at the helms (although his completion % is quite suspect and he hit a few big plays so his numbers may be a bit deceiving with his model).  Game is in Nashville so Tennessee has probably half the home field edge it normally would have and UNC has a few players out (LB Bruce Carter, RB Johnny White) and a much worse special teams.  UNC was more consistent during the year however and should run more plays than Tennessee.  I gave Tennesssee a +0.75 yppl edge on offense using Bray's regressed stats combined with the season stats and that is similar to UNC's +0.85 season stats.  UNC's injury to White could be an issue as also 3rd string RBZ Elzy is out and RB Droughn has been very average over his career. 

    Math Model: UNC -0.14, Total 56.2

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 12:49 PM ET #187

    likely won't have time to have writeps on other two games. 

    Kansas St/Cuse:  Didn't even bother capping as I knew my model would have this near pickem and the total appears right as k-st is better on offense and syracuse has a horrid offense/solid defense. 

    Nebraska/Washington:  If Martinez plays like he did early in the year when he was completely healthy than my math model would favor nebraska by around 24-25 pts.  If Nebraska's offense played like it did after he got injured vs missouri, than the line is about right.  Situations all favor Washington in this game and I'm not gonna try and guess how healthy Martinez is.  Don't really wanna play Nebraska at all in this game as it is hard to see them being motivated for this game.  Washington has all the motivation in the world as they got pounded by Nebraska early in the year and it's a name school for them to play that was minutes away from a BCS appearance.  Nebraska is probably just looking forward to next season.

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    likely won't have time to have writeps on other two games. 

    Kansas St/Cuse:  Didn't even bother capping as I knew my model would have this near pickem and the total appears right as k-st is better on offense and syracuse has a horrid offense/solid defense. 

    Nebraska/Washington:  If Martinez plays like he did early in the year when he was completely healthy than my math model would favor nebraska by around 24-25 pts.  If Nebraska's offense played like it did after he got injured vs missouri, than the line is about right.  Situations all favor Washington in this game and I'm not gonna try and guess how healthy Martinez is.  Don't really wanna play Nebraska at all in this game as it is hard to see them being motivated for this game.  Washington has all the motivation in the world as they got pounded by Nebraska early in the year and it's a name school for them to play that was minutes away from a BCS appearance.  Nebraska is probably just looking forward to next season.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 7:46 PM ET #188

    gncmoo I totally agree with what you said about Kstate, which is why I picked the over....and Neb/wash is diffcult dont like rematches but, I'll take the bait.
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    gncmoo I totally agree with what you said about Kstate, which is why I picked the over....and Neb/wash is diffcult dont like rematches but, I'll take the bait.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2010 - 12:42 AM ET #189

    I've been following your thread for a while and have a lot of respect for your analysis. Could you please post Friday's games if you have any? Thx a lot, Gncmoo!!!
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    I've been following your thread for a while and have a lot of respect for your analysis. Could you please post Friday's games if you have any? Thx a lot, Gncmoo!!!
     
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    Car Care Bowl:

    Clemson (-6) vs USF (Lean with under/usf ):  Both teams have awful offenses and very good defenses.  No idea who's starting for USF, but it shouldn't matter too much as both qbs were pretty awful.  From the line of scrimmage the game shoudl be somewhat even as I have Clemson at (-0.5, +1.2) & USF at (-0.4, +0.9).   That is incorporating that star RB Ellington is out for Clemson as they have had no running game to speak of since he went out and that USF was relatively worse vs strong defenses.  Clemson has an edge on special teams, turnovers, and likely will run a few more plays.   MY PPG model favors Clemson by 5.49. 

    Math Model:  Clemson -4.65/37.44

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    Car Care Bowl:

    Clemson (-6) vs USF (Lean with under/usf ):  Both teams have awful offenses and very good defenses.  No idea who's starting for USF, but it shouldn't matter too much as both qbs were pretty awful.  From the line of scrimmage the game shoudl be somewhat even as I have Clemson at (-0.5, +1.2) & USF at (-0.4, +0.9).   That is incorporating that star RB Ellington is out for Clemson as they have had no running game to speak of since he went out and that USF was relatively worse vs strong defenses.  Clemson has an edge on special teams, turnovers, and likely will run a few more plays.   MY PPG model favors Clemson by 5.49. 

    Math Model:  Clemson -4.65/37.44

     
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    Sun Bowl:

    Miami, FL (-2.5) vs N. Dame (1 unit on Miami, FL):

    My math model favors Miami with the current personnel for both teams.   Miami's normal down fall is in the TO Battle as Jacory Harris has a very high 4.2% interception rate for his career.  However, in this game, ND is just as likely to turn it over as QB rees has 8 ints in only 135 atts (5.9%).  Success rates also favor Miami, FL and my projections have them running 8 more plays than Notre Dame.

    Miami's underachieved all year and those types of teams usually perform well in bowl games as well.  Also, teams that win and cover their last 3 games tend to struggle in bowl games (which ND applies to).  Interim coaches have also performed well (18-11 ATS) as these guys are usually trying to land a coaching gig somewhere so they probably spend every last bit of energy on winning the game. 

    Math model:  Miami -6.6/48.31

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    Sun Bowl:

    Miami, FL (-2.5) vs N. Dame (1 unit on Miami, FL):

    My math model favors Miami with the current personnel for both teams.   Miami's normal down fall is in the TO Battle as Jacory Harris has a very high 4.2% interception rate for his career.  However, in this game, ND is just as likely to turn it over as QB rees has 8 ints in only 135 atts (5.9%).  Success rates also favor Miami, FL and my projections have them running 8 more plays than Notre Dame.

    Miami's underachieved all year and those types of teams usually perform well in bowl games as well.  Also, teams that win and cover their last 3 games tend to struggle in bowl games (which ND applies to).  Interim coaches have also performed well (18-11 ATS) as these guys are usually trying to land a coaching gig somewhere so they probably spend every last bit of energy on winning the game. 

    Math model:  Miami -6.6/48.31

     
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    Not sure if I'll have time to have any more writeups, but I do have a play on Northwestern +9.5 (1 unit)
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    GCNMOO completely agree, i will say Miami is the best 7 win team in the nation, the defense and Offense is in the top 25, and if it wasnt for all the internal problems and Harris ints, this team would probably have two more wins....MIAMI wins big!!
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    GCNMOO completely agree, i will say Miami is the best 7 win team in the nation, the defense and Offense is in the top 25, and if it wasnt for all the internal problems and Harris ints, this team would probably have two more wins....MIAMI wins big!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2010 - 5:01 AM ET #195

    Damn. Already put in for ND.
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