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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 1:02 PM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    Is Rider a play if Kenpom has the game by 21 and the spread is 16.5?  I think it opened @ 18?  


    No. The 3 point difference between 21 and 18 is a no play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    Is Rider a play if Kenpom has the game by 21 and the spread is 16.5?  I think it opened @ 18?  


    No. The 3 point difference between 21 and 18 is a no play.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 1:04 PM ET #152

    Bobcat, would you mind explaining why not?  I thought a 3 point difference meets the criterion.
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    Bobcat, would you mind explaining why not?  I thought a 3 point difference meets the criterion.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 1:05 PM ET #153

    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    Is Rider a play if Kenpom has the game by 21 and the spread is 16.5?  I think it opened @ 18?  


    Nope, at 21 the differential between kp and the opening line has to be at least 5 pts.  Line movements are not used to determine whether its a play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    Is Rider a play if Kenpom has the game by 21 and the spread is 16.5?  I think it opened @ 18?  


    Nope, at 21 the differential between kp and the opening line has to be at least 5 pts.  Line movements are not used to determine whether its a play.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 1:07 PM ET #154

    Oooooh word so b/c Youngstown St. opened @ 1.5 and Kenpom is @ 4, it could be considered a play?
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    Oooooh word so b/c Youngstown St. opened @ 1.5 and Kenpom is @ 4, it could be considered a play?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 1:11 PM ET #155

    anybody notice the # of away teams that covered yesterday at 35-9 ,,is unreal
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    anybody notice the # of away teams that covered yesterday at 35-9 ,,is unreal
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 1:16 PM ET #156

    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    Oooooh word so b/c Youngstown St. opened @ 1.5 and Kenpom is @ 4, it could be considered a play?


    Right, plus the public betting is 70% on Wisc-Mil, which makes it all the more attractive to me.  WisM doesn't play that great on the road.  YS is pretty strong offensively, not so much defensively, but they generally play pretty strong at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    Oooooh word so b/c Youngstown St. opened @ 1.5 and Kenpom is @ 4, it could be considered a play?


    Right, plus the public betting is 70% on Wisc-Mil, which makes it all the more attractive to me.  WisM doesn't play that great on the road.  YS is pretty strong offensively, not so much defensively, but they generally play pretty strong at home.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 1:22 PM ET #157

    Quote Originally Posted by sscott999:



    Right, plus the public betting is 70% on Wisc-Mil, which makes it all the more attractive to me.  WisM doesn't play that great on the road.  YS is pretty strong offensively, not so much defensively, but they generally play pretty strong at home.
      Hard to qualify that they play pretty strong at home, as the small sample size, 6 home games so far this year, doesn't tell the whole story.  I'm on them catching the points and ML so hope they play like Supermen at home.  BOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by sscott999:



    Right, plus the public betting is 70% on Wisc-Mil, which makes it all the more attractive to me.  WisM doesn't play that great on the road.  YS is pretty strong offensively, not so much defensively, but they generally play pretty strong at home.
      Hard to qualify that they play pretty strong at home, as the small sample size, 6 home games so far this year, doesn't tell the whole story.  I'm on them catching the points and ML so hope they play like Supermen at home.  BOL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 2:35 PM ET #158

    so YS would be a no play, correct?
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    so YS would be a no play, correct?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 3:27 PM ET #159

    Sscott where do you click to get the line history? If you click on the link to the current line it brings you to BetOnline.com
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    Sscott where do you click to get the line history? If you click on the link to the current line it brings you to BetOnline.com
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 3:30 PM ET #160

    Quote Originally Posted by LockBurger:

    so YS would be a no play, correct?


    Incorrect.  YS IS a play based on BO's opening line of 1.5.  Public betting is heavily against them.  It would only be a no play if public betting was heavily for them (i.e. > 65%).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LockBurger:

    so YS would be a no play, correct?


    Incorrect.  YS IS a play based on BO's opening line of 1.5.  Public betting is heavily against them.  It would only be a no play if public betting was heavily for them (i.e. > 65%).
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 3:32 PM ET #161

    Only play I'm seeing for tonight, and Beaver will be the ultimate judge ofcourse is:

    YSU +2 1/2 opened +1.5/ KP +4 (Home, Dog, Toward)

     

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    Only play I'm seeing for tonight, and Beaver will be the ultimate judge ofcourse is:

    YSU +2 1/2 opened +1.5/ KP +4 (Home, Dog, Toward)

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 3:47 PM ET #162

    Quote Originally Posted by flyerlax06:

    Sscott where do you click to get the line history? If you click on the link to the current line it brings you to BetOnline.com


    If you go to the current lines on VegasInsider.com  and click on any of the lines EXCEPT under the offshores (I would just click on the consensus line next to the opening line), it will take you to the line movement history for all of the Vegas books.  On THAT page, click on the "Offshore Movements" link at the top and it will show you history for all of the offshore movements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyerlax06:

    Sscott where do you click to get the line history? If you click on the link to the current line it brings you to BetOnline.com


    If you go to the current lines on VegasInsider.com  and click on any of the lines EXCEPT under the offshores (I would just click on the consensus line next to the opening line), it will take you to the line movement history for all of the Vegas books.  On THAT page, click on the "Offshore Movements" link at the top and it will show you history for all of the offshore movements.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:01 PM ET #163

    Gotcha. Thanks. That's a nice alternative to covers. I may start using it. So yes it does appear that Youngstown St. is a play with the 2.5 differential. 

    Youngstown St. +2.5 HDT
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    Gotcha. Thanks. That's a nice alternative to covers. I may start using it. So yes it does appear that Youngstown St. is a play with the 2.5 differential. 

    Youngstown St. +2.5 HDT
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:20 PM ET #164

    Pretty strange that betonline isn't listed in the covers line moves...but, i'm willing to roll with the vegas insider opening line.

    Official Friday Plays:

    Youngstown St +2.5 HDT


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    Pretty strange that betonline isn't listed in the covers line moves...but, i'm willing to roll with the vegas insider opening line.

    Official Friday Plays:

    Youngstown St +2.5 HDT


     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:21 PM ET #165

    I doubt there will be much of a change on kenpom's ratings from tonights games, so lets get a head start on tomorrow's card.  I will be out of town again, so any help is appreciated.
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    I doubt there will be much of a change on kenpom's ratings from tonights games, so lets get a head start on tomorrow's card.  I will be out of town again, so any help is appreciated.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 4:39 PM ET #166

    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

    I doubt there will be much of a change on kenpom's ratings from tonights games, so lets get a head start on tomorrow's card.  I will be out of town again, so any help is appreciated.

    I'll be working on it Beaver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

    I doubt there will be much of a change on kenpom's ratings from tonights games, so lets get a head start on tomorrow's card.  I will be out of town again, so any help is appreciated.

    I'll be working on it Beaver.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:41 PM ET #167

    I weeded out the KenPom lines, home/away, etc. on this Google spreadsheet. 

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgySzPjpSISsdFNHcUUxYzFnU0MtNUhBbEloc05Gc2c

    This should make it easier for everyone to smurf out the opening lines and match them up so we can win a lot of games tomorrow.

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    I weeded out the KenPom lines, home/away, etc. on this Google spreadsheet. 

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgySzPjpSISsdFNHcUUxYzFnU0MtNUhBbEloc05Gc2c

    This should make it easier for everyone to smurf out the opening lines and match them up so we can win a lot of games tomorrow.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:52 PM ET #168

    Quote Originally Posted by sscott999:



    Incorrect.  YS IS a play based on BO's opening line of 1.5.  Public betting is heavily against them.  It would only be a no play if public betting was heavily for them (i.e. > 65%).

     thanks 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sscott999:



    Incorrect.  YS IS a play based on BO's opening line of 1.5.  Public betting is heavily against them.  It would only be a no play if public betting was heavily for them (i.e. > 65%).

     thanks 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2012 - 5:58 PM ET #169

    Bored at work today so I took a stab at tomorrow's large card. This has not been weeded out for 65% action yet so:

    New Mexico St @ Hawaii (+2 / KP+5)

    Maryland @ Temple (-9.5 / KP-14)

    Villanova @ St Johns (+1.5 / KP+5)

    SMU @ Memphis (-13 / KP-17)

    Kansas St @ Oklahoma St (+2.5 / KP+6)

    Yale @ Brown (+3.5 / KP+8)

    Indiana St @ Creighton (-12 / KP-16)

    Boise St @ TCU (-4.5 / KP-1)

    Oklahoma St -1 @ Texas A&M -4 (over the zero)

    Florida St @ Duke (-12 / KP-7)

    Rhode Island @ La Salle (-15 / KP-20)

    Towson @ Geo Mason (-24.5 / KP-19)

    Arizona St @ Utah (+4.5 / KP+9)

    Iowa St @ Texas Tech (+4.5 / KP+10)

    Duquesne @ St Louis (-9 / KP-14)

    IUPUI @ UMKC (pk / KP-3)

    Oakland @ Oral Roberts (-8.5 / KP-15)

    Murray St @ SIU Edwardsville (+17 / KP+21)

    Air Force @ San Diego St (-15 / KP-11)

    St Mary’s @ Santa Clara (+9.5 / KP+14)


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    Bored at work today so I took a stab at tomorrow's large card. This has not been weeded out for 65% action yet so:

    New Mexico St @ Hawaii (+2 / KP+5)

    Maryland @ Temple (-9.5 / KP-14)

    Villanova @ St Johns (+1.5 / KP+5)

    SMU @ Memphis (-13 / KP-17)

    Kansas St @ Oklahoma St (+2.5 / KP+6)

    Yale @ Brown (+3.5 / KP+8)

    Indiana St @ Creighton (-12 / KP-16)

    Boise St @ TCU (-4.5 / KP-1)

    Oklahoma St -1 @ Texas A&M -4 (over the zero)

    Florida St @ Duke (-12 / KP-7)

    Rhode Island @ La Salle (-15 / KP-20)

    Towson @ Geo Mason (-24.5 / KP-19)

    Arizona St @ Utah (+4.5 / KP+9)

    Iowa St @ Texas Tech (+4.5 / KP+10)

    Duquesne @ St Louis (-9 / KP-14)

    IUPUI @ UMKC (pk / KP-3)

    Oakland @ Oral Roberts (-8.5 / KP-15)

    Murray St @ SIU Edwardsville (+17 / KP+21)

    Air Force @ San Diego St (-15 / KP-11)

    St Mary’s @ Santa Clara (+9.5 / KP+14)


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat36:

    Bored at work today so I took a stab at tomorrow's large card. This has not been weeded out for 65% action yet so:

    New Mexico St @ Hawaii (+2 / KP+5)

    Maryland @ Temple (-9.5 / KP-14)

    Villanova @ St Johns (+1.5 / KP+5)

    SMU @ Memphis (-13 / KP-17)

    Kansas St @ Oklahoma St (+2.5 / KP+6)

    Yale @ Brown (+3.5 / KP+8)

    Indiana St @ Creighton (-12 / KP-16)

    Boise St @ TCU (-4.5 / KP-1)

    Oklahoma St -1 @ Texas A&M -4 (over the zero)

    Florida St @ Duke (-12 / KP-7)

    Rhode Island @ La Salle (-15 / KP-20)

    Towson @ Geo Mason (-24.5 / KP-19)

    Arizona St @ Utah (+4.5 / KP+9)

    Iowa St @ Texas Tech (+4.5 / KP+10)

    Duquesne @ St Louis (-9 / KP-14)

    IUPUI @ UMKC (pk / KP-3)

    Oakland @ Oral Roberts (-8.5 / KP-15)

    Murray St @ SIU Edwardsville (+17 / KP+21)

    Air Force @ San Diego St (-15 / KP-11)

    St Mary’s @ Santa Clara (+9.5 / KP+14)


    Good Stuff Bobcat, I havent had a chance to look it over yet. Thanks for the work.

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    Bored at work today so I took a stab at tomorrow's large card. This has not been weeded out for 65% action yet so:

    New Mexico St @ Hawaii (+2 / KP+5)

    Maryland @ Temple (-9.5 / KP-14)

    Villanova @ St Johns (+1.5 / KP+5)

    SMU @ Memphis (-13 / KP-17)

    Kansas St @ Oklahoma St (+2.5 / KP+6)

    Yale @ Brown (+3.5 / KP+8)

    Indiana St @ Creighton (-12 / KP-16)

    Boise St @ TCU (-4.5 / KP-1)

    Oklahoma St -1 @ Texas A&M -4 (over the zero)

    Florida St @ Duke (-12 / KP-7)

    Rhode Island @ La Salle (-15 / KP-20)

    Towson @ Geo Mason (-24.5 / KP-19)

    Arizona St @ Utah (+4.5 / KP+9)

    Iowa St @ Texas Tech (+4.5 / KP+10)

    Duquesne @ St Louis (-9 / KP-14)

    IUPUI @ UMKC (pk / KP-3)

    Oakland @ Oral Roberts (-8.5 / KP-15)

    Murray St @ SIU Edwardsville (+17 / KP+21)

    Air Force @ San Diego St (-15 / KP-11)

    St Mary’s @ Santa Clara (+9.5 / KP+14)


    Good Stuff Bobcat, I havent had a chance to look it over yet. Thanks for the work.

     
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    Those openings are from Betonline at about 2pm PST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat36:

    Those openings are from Betonline at about 2pm PST.

    Thanks bro, I was getting ready to pm you. All I can find is bookmaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat36:

    Those openings are from Betonline at about 2pm PST.

    Thanks bro, I was getting ready to pm you. All I can find is bookmaker.

     
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    1-0! 
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    Preliminary card for tomorrow, details to come.


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