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    Vegas vs KenPom Week 9

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    beaverfan23
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 11:54 AM ET #101

    YTD Record

    For the night: 6-1 (86%)

    For the week: 8-3 (73%)

    For the year: 195-151 (56%)


    In depth stats:

    Home Teams: 101-82 (55%)
    Road Teams: 75-53 (59%)

    Favorites: 76-63 (55%)
    Dogs:     119-88 (57%)

    Line moved toward KP:  132-117 (53%)
    Line moved away KP:  49-20 (71%)
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    YTD Record

    For the night: 6-1 (86%)

    For the week: 8-3 (73%)

    For the year: 195-151 (56%)


    In depth stats:

    Home Teams: 101-82 (55%)
    Road Teams: 75-53 (59%)

    Favorites: 76-63 (55%)
    Dogs:     119-88 (57%)

    Line moved toward KP:  132-117 (53%)
    Line moved away KP:  49-20 (71%)
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:01 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    I think the hard thing for some to comprehend (as well as myself @ first) is why you choose to side w/ line openings (Vegas) rather than Kenpom b/c many regard Kenpom as a great site for information.  This is HIS SYSTEM and you have to respect it because he has a plan.


    Check out Ken Pom's blog post on 11-11-11.  He talks about this exact situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    I think the hard thing for some to comprehend (as well as myself @ first) is why you choose to side w/ line openings (Vegas) rather than Kenpom b/c many regard Kenpom as a great site for information.  This is HIS SYSTEM and you have to respect it because he has a plan.


    Check out Ken Pom's blog post on 11-11-11.  He talks about this exact situation
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:10 PM ET #103

    Anyone that has bet $100 on every game is up $2,890 for the season
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    Anyone that has bet $100 on every game is up $2,890 for the season
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:13 PM ET #104

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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:16 PM ET #105

    Nice job with the picks stilltrying to understand the system
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    Nice job with the picks stilltrying to understand the system
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:19 PM ET #106

    Out of that blog post try this.

    https://www.thepredictiontracker.com/bbresults.php

    Every single one of the computer modelers are sub .50 against the spread. Should tell you something about the boyz in Vegas.

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    Out of that blog post try this.

    https://www.thepredictiontracker.com/bbresults.php

    Every single one of the computer modelers are sub .50 against the spread. Should tell you something about the boyz in Vegas.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 12:32 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by baldguy_421:

    I'll be on all of these. What would the system say about my tease?

    Middle Tennessee St -7.5 College of Charleston + 15.5 San Fransisco College +22.5  for 1 unit.

    It would say not to tease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldguy_421:

    I'll be on all of these. What would the system say about my tease?

    Middle Tennessee St -7.5 College of Charleston + 15.5 San Fransisco College +22.5  for 1 unit.

    It would say not to tease.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 2:03 PM ET #108

    Beaver from all that you show would not the Best plays be to play all 
    71% plays for best win %

    Line moved away KP:  49-20 (71%)

    NC Greensboro NCGreen -1 (HFA)
    Washington St,,,,Wash St -1 (HDA)
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    Beaver from all that you show would not the Best plays be to play all 
    71% plays for best win %

    Line moved away KP:  49-20 (71%)

    NC Greensboro NCGreen -1 (HFA)
    Washington St,,,,Wash St -1 (HDA)
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 3:48 PM ET #109

    [Quote: Originally Posted by trabs9]

    It would say not to tease.

    Touche'

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by trabs9]

    It would say not to tease.

    Touche'

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 3:56 PM ET #110

    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

    Official Thursday Plays:

    NCGreen -1 (HFA)
    UL Laf +3 (RDT)
    Canisius +2.5 (HDT)
    N.Az +16 (RDT)
    Oakland -2 (RFN)
    Wash St -1 (HDA)
    San Jose +7.5 (RDT)

    65% ruled out UNC and Washington.  NCGreen is a 2 pt difference, but the line is moving "away" so I am going to include it.

    Did I miss anything?

    Good stuff Beaver. Busy busy at work today. Just sat down went through got all your plays. I ll add uncgb too. 

    Thanks for the work.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

    Official Thursday Plays:

    NCGreen -1 (HFA)
    UL Laf +3 (RDT)
    Canisius +2.5 (HDT)
    N.Az +16 (RDT)
    Oakland -2 (RFN)
    Wash St -1 (HDA)
    San Jose +7.5 (RDT)

    65% ruled out UNC and Washington.  NCGreen is a 2 pt difference, but the line is moving "away" so I am going to include it.

    Did I miss anything?

    Good stuff Beaver. Busy busy at work today. Just sat down went through got all your plays. I ll add uncgb too. 

    Thanks for the work.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 3:58 PM ET #111

    Quote Originally Posted by stevo1:

    Beaver from all that you show would not the Best plays be to play all 
    71% plays for best win %

    Line moved away KP:  49-20 (71%)

    NC Greensboro NCGreen -1 (HFA)
    Washington St,,,,Wash St -1 (HDA)


    Yes. I am playing all 71% plays
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo1:

    Beaver from all that you show would not the Best plays be to play all 
    71% plays for best win %

    Line moved away KP:  49-20 (71%)

    NC Greensboro NCGreen -1 (HFA)
    Washington St,,,,Wash St -1 (HDA)


    Yes. I am playing all 71% plays
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 4:13 PM ET #112

    another play that looks stronger when reviewed

    When looking deeper the home teams have won 7-0 in the last 2 days ( 94-82) on 16th and  (101-82) on 18th =7-0 win %

    Canisius appears as a great play then also as a Home team

    Just trying to certify the better plays out of all plays,,,

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    another play that looks stronger when reviewed

    When looking deeper the home teams have won 7-0 in the last 2 days ( 94-82) on 16th and  (101-82) on 18th =7-0 win %

    Canisius appears as a great play then also as a Home team

    Just trying to certify the better plays out of all plays,,,

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 4:53 PM ET #113

    Beaver I have a question concerning the system and the top 3 games on FanMatch.

    1) UNC @ Va Tech.  Kenpom has them @ 3.  This is the public's favorite game and the spread has moved all the way to 7.5.  Now I know the system says to take UNC, but because the public is so heavy on UNC, do you personally think Va Tech is the better play here?

    2) UCLA @ Oregon State.  Kenpom has Oregon St. by 2, but it also says ****UCLA is better than Oregon St. by about 25 teams****  With the public heavily on Oregon State, doesn't UCLA (whose been playing great) look life a gift??

    3) Cal @ Washington.  Kenpom has Cal by 5.  They are about 75 teams better than Washington.  Again, with the public heavy on Oregon State does Cal seem to be a gift?

    Beaver, I guess the point/question i am trying to make/ask is if you have had any experience w/ this.  Obviously the system will not be flawless and is unlikely to be positive every night.  Do you have any history w/ these kinds of teams: 1 Kenpom has slated as much better, 2 they are underdogs, and 3 the public is running away from?

    *Using the system I will def. be taking Washington State and most likely San Jose State, but I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on UCLA and Cal.


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    Beaver I have a question concerning the system and the top 3 games on FanMatch.

    1) UNC @ Va Tech.  Kenpom has them @ 3.  This is the public's favorite game and the spread has moved all the way to 7.5.  Now I know the system says to take UNC, but because the public is so heavy on UNC, do you personally think Va Tech is the better play here?

    2) UCLA @ Oregon State.  Kenpom has Oregon St. by 2, but it also says ****UCLA is better than Oregon St. by about 25 teams****  With the public heavily on Oregon State, doesn't UCLA (whose been playing great) look life a gift??

    3) Cal @ Washington.  Kenpom has Cal by 5.  They are about 75 teams better than Washington.  Again, with the public heavy on Oregon State does Cal seem to be a gift?

    Beaver, I guess the point/question i am trying to make/ask is if you have had any experience w/ this.  Obviously the system will not be flawless and is unlikely to be positive every night.  Do you have any history w/ these kinds of teams: 1 Kenpom has slated as much better, 2 they are underdogs, and 3 the public is running away from?

    *Using the system I will def. be taking Washington State and most likely San Jose State, but I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on UCLA and Cal.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 6:13 PM ET #114

    I'll let Beaver handle the above.

    I decided to ML Canisius because using the Kelly method that was a real small bet amount. Figured it would be worth the risk considering the juice would eat up lots of profit on a straight wager of that small size.

    Note to the regulars in here: I check your friend requests. I sent friend requests to a bunch of you guys that regularly contribute and help out. Let's have a big night and get those bankrolls ready for the weekend!

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    I'll let Beaver handle the above.

    I decided to ML Canisius because using the Kelly method that was a real small bet amount. Figured it would be worth the risk considering the juice would eat up lots of profit on a straight wager of that small size.

    Note to the regulars in here: I check your friend requests. I sent friend requests to a bunch of you guys that regularly contribute and help out. Let's have a big night and get those bankrolls ready for the weekend!

     
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    let's get this
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    Was just double checking the plays tonight.  Correct me if im wrong, but dont see how NC Greensboro is a play.  Kenpom has NC Green +2 and Betonline opened it at pick.  Thats only a difference of 2.  Doesn't it need to be a diff of 2.5 in the 0-4 range to be a play?  Maybe I misread something. 
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    Was just double checking the plays tonight.  Correct me if im wrong, but dont see how NC Greensboro is a play.  Kenpom has NC Green +2 and Betonline opened it at pick.  Thats only a difference of 2.  Doesn't it need to be a diff of 2.5 in the 0-4 range to be a play?  Maybe I misread something. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grabano:

    Was just double checking the plays tonight.  Correct me if im wrong, but dont see how NC Greensboro is a play.  Kenpom has NC Green +2 and Betonline opened it at pick.  Thats only a difference of 2.  Doesn't it need to be a diff of 2.5 in the 0-4 range to be a play?  Maybe I misread something. 


    If you read what I posted....

    I said I know they are only a 2 pt difference but I am playing them because of the away line movement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grabano:

    Was just double checking the plays tonight.  Correct me if im wrong, but dont see how NC Greensboro is a play.  Kenpom has NC Green +2 and Betonline opened it at pick.  Thats only a difference of 2.  Doesn't it need to be a diff of 2.5 in the 0-4 range to be a play?  Maybe I misread something. 


    If you read what I posted....

    I said I know they are only a 2 pt difference but I am playing them because of the away line movement
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyGunner:

    Beaver I have a question concerning the system and the top 3 games on FanMatch.

    1) UNC @ Va Tech.  Kenpom has them @ 3.  This is the public's favorite game and the spread has moved all the way to 7.5.  Now I know the system says to take UNC, but because the public is so heavy on UNC, do you personally think Va Tech is the better play here?

    2) UCLA @ Oregon State.  Kenpom has Oregon St. by 2, but it also says ****UCLA is better than Oregon St. by about 25 teams****  With the public heavily on Oregon State, doesn't UCLA (whose been playing great) look life a gift??

    3) Cal @ Washington.  Kenpom has Cal by 5.  They are about 75 teams better than Washington.  Again, with the public heavy on Oregon State does Cal seem to be a gift?

    Beaver, I guess the point/question i am trying to make/ask is if you have had any experience w/ this.  Obviously the system will not be flawless and is unlikely to be positive every night.  Do you have any history w/ these kinds of teams: 1 Kenpom has slated as much better, 2 they are underdogs, and 3 the public is running away from?

    *Using the system I will def. be taking Washington State and most likely San Jose State, but I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on UCLA and Cal.




    #1 UNC would be a play, but I don't play anything that gets over 65% on covers contests.  So that game is a NO PLAY for me.

    #2  Oregon St is the favorite because they are at home and it is difficult to win on the road in conference play.  This game is not a system play and I know very little about either team.  NO PLAY

    #3  Washington was over 65% earlier today.  NO PLAY

    I guess I need to start posting the system rules each week for those who are not familiar with how it works.  System plays with over 65% lose more often than not...therefore, they are no plays.


    Hope this helps
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    Beaver I have a question concerning the system and the top 3 games on FanMatch.

    1) UNC @ Va Tech.  Kenpom has them @ 3.  This is the public's favorite game and the spread has moved all the way to 7.5.  Now I know the system says to take UNC, but because the public is so heavy on UNC, do you personally think Va Tech is the better play here?

    2) UCLA @ Oregon State.  Kenpom has Oregon St. by 2, but it also says ****UCLA is better than Oregon St. by about 25 teams****  With the public heavily on Oregon State, doesn't UCLA (whose been playing great) look life a gift??

    3) Cal @ Washington.  Kenpom has Cal by 5.  They are about 75 teams better than Washington.  Again, with the public heavy on Oregon State does Cal seem to be a gift?

    Beaver, I guess the point/question i am trying to make/ask is if you have had any experience w/ this.  Obviously the system will not be flawless and is unlikely to be positive every night.  Do you have any history w/ these kinds of teams: 1 Kenpom has slated as much better, 2 they are underdogs, and 3 the public is running away from?

    *Using the system I will def. be taking Washington State and most likely San Jose State, but I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on UCLA and Cal.




    #1 UNC would be a play, but I don't play anything that gets over 65% on covers contests.  So that game is a NO PLAY for me.

    #2  Oregon St is the favorite because they are at home and it is difficult to win on the road in conference play.  This game is not a system play and I know very little about either team.  NO PLAY

    #3  Washington was over 65% earlier today.  NO PLAY

    I guess I need to start posting the system rules each week for those who are not familiar with how it works.  System plays with over 65% lose more often than not...therefore, they are no plays.


    Hope this helps
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 7:03 PM ET #119

    Beaver.....

    I understand all the rules, I was just asking what you thought about the plays.  

    Thanks bro
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    Beaver.....

    I understand all the rules, I was just asking what you thought about the plays.  

    Thanks bro
     
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    sorry didnt catch that.  awesome thread.  been following for weeks.  keep up the good work gents.
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    sorry didnt catch that.  awesome thread.  been following for weeks.  keep up the good work gents.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

     
     System plays with over 65% lose more often than not...therefore, they are no plays.


    Hope this helps

    If that's the case isn't it worth our time to make a system on top of this that fades the 65% and up teams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

     
     System plays with over 65% lose more often than not...therefore, they are no plays.


    Hope this helps

    If that's the case isn't it worth our time to make a system on top of this that fades the 65% and up teams?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by northshot24:


    If that's the case isn't it worth our time to make a system on top of this that fades the 65% and up teams?


    Thats just fading the public.  100's, maybe 1000's of guys are doing this.  I don't know if it works long-term or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by northshot24:


    If that's the case isn't it worth our time to make a system on top of this that fades the 65% and up teams?


    Thats just fading the public.  100's, maybe 1000's of guys are doing this.  I don't know if it works long-term or not
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2012 - 8:59 PM ET #123

    Nice job on this Beaver! enjoy following your work!
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    Nice job on this Beaver! enjoy following your work!
     
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    Northshot, fading the public isn't necessarily an easy way to make $$, b/c I have tried it before, but using this system you notice a lot of easy non public plays.  The three picks I gave...... Kenpom believed these three teams to be better than their opponents and the public was against them.  There are a variety of ways to use Kenpom to your advantage
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    Northshot, fading the public isn't necessarily an easy way to make $$, b/c I have tried it before, but using this system you notice a lot of easy non public plays.  The three picks I gave...... Kenpom believed these three teams to be better than their opponents and the public was against them.  There are a variety of ways to use Kenpom to your advantage
     
     
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    nc gren...1st winner..(away).lets keep them comeing!!!!!!
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    nc gren...1st winner..(away).lets keep them comeing!!!!!!
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