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Gun homicides around the world last year
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What else due Japan,Germany,Australia and United Kingdom have in common besides low gun homicides?
They never entered into armed revolt against tyrannical rule and defeated a English King and the British Empire ..
Nor did they put into their Constitution the individuals right to keep and bear arms............
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As tragic as the shootings at schools and movie theatres are they are a fraction of the gun homicides in this country.
We always hear about gun control when events like Sandy Hook and Va Tech occur. All of the statistics on gun crimes come out at times like these. Check on the murder rates for some of our cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington, LA.
How many murders have been committed with handguns in these cities? Will gun laws have helped in these cities? The majority of the statistics that are quoted come from these places.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
What else due Japan,Germany,Australia and United Kingdom have in common besides low gun homicides?
They never entered into armed revolt against tyrannical rule and defeated a English King and the British Empire ..
Nor did they put into their Constitution the individuals right to keep and bear arms............
Who gives a darn about their history. This is the 21st century and we're talking about assault weapons not muskets. Do you really believe our freedom depends on all lowing these mass killings to continue doing nothing about assault rifles? Fox News has brainwashed a lot of people with its NRA agenda.
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Quote Originally Posted by papadarla:
Who gives a darn about their history. This is the 21st century and we're talking about assault weapons not muskets. Do you really believe our freedom depends on all lowing these mass killings to continue doing nothing about assault rifles? Fox News has brainwashed a lot of people with its NRA agenda.
Papadarla, I'm curious, what is your def. of an assault weapon? Yours personally, not that of a site or a politician.
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Quote Originally Posted by papadarla:
Who gives a darn about their history. This is the 21st century and we're talking about assault weapons not muskets. Do you really believe our freedom depends on all lowing these mass killings to continue doing nothing about assault rifles? Fox News has brainwashed a lot of people with its NRA agenda.
this point gets proven daily here
almost like the wacko-nutjobs are trying to make their prescribed partisan view look bad on purpose
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Quote Originally Posted by papadarla:
Who gives a darn about their history. This is the 21st century and we're talking about assault weapons not muskets. Do you really believe our freedom depends on all lowing these mass killings to continue doing nothing about assault rifles? Fox News has brainwashed a lot of people with its NRA agenda.
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Why don't you fools on the left just have obama ban crime??
Look at all the lives ruined by drugs and what do you want to do about them?? Oh that's tight, legalize them.
one can never tell whether the left is coming or going and neither can they.
comparing stats across countries without regard to population.
You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
sucks when your talking points go flying out the window.
Look at all the lives ruined by drugs and what do you want to do about them?? Oh that's tight, legalize them.
one can never tell whether the left is coming or going and neither can they.comparing stats across countries without regard to population.You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
sucks when your talking points go flying out the window.
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Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
Why don't you fools on the left just have obama ban crime??
Look at all the lives ruined by drugs and what do you want to do about them?? Oh that's tight, legalize them.
one can never tell whether the left is coming or going and neither can they.
comparing stats across countries without regard to population.
You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
sucks when your talking points go flying out the window.
Why don't you fools on the left just have obama ban crime??
Look at all the lives ruined by drugs and what do you want to do about them?? Oh that's tight, legalize them.
one can never tell whether the left is coming or going and neither can they.comparing stats across countries without regard to population.You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
sucks when your talking points go flying out the window.
The fukk are you talking about? Are you talking about not imprisoning marijuana smokers? Who has marijuana killed?
You gotta be the biggest douche in the country if you want everyone to be armed to the hilt but you want pot smokers tossed in prison.
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Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
Why don't you fools on the left just have obama ban crime??
Look at all the lives ruined by drugs and what do you want to do about them?? Oh that's tight, legalize them.
one can never tell whether the left is coming or going and neither can they.
comparing stats across countries without regard to population.
You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
sucks when your talking points go flying out the window.
Why don't you fools on the left just have obama ban crime??
Look at all the lives ruined by drugs and what do you want to do about them?? Oh that's tight, legalize them.
one can never tell whether the left is coming or going and neither can they.comparing stats across countries without regard to population.You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
sucks when your talking points go flying out the window.
I believe that if you would take a poll on here you would find as many righies as lefties that believe mj should be legalized.
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You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
No--you know what? Your facts are wrong. According to the web site gunpolicy.org, the rate of private gun ownership in Israel is 7.3 firearms per 100 people compared to 88.8 firearms per 100 people in the USA.
The annual number of deaths by gun in Israel was 1.96 per 100,000. Gun homicides in US in 2008 was 9,484 per 100k.
Now I don't believe the USA and Israel is apples and oranges, but you brought it up .... so enjoy.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
The Constitution says that a well regulated militia has a right to bear arms. It doesn't say that every person has the absolute right to own any and every type of firearm that is ever created.
These gun right absolutists make me fukkin sick.
The Constitution says that a well regulated militia has a right to bear arms. It doesn't say that every person has the absolute right to own any and every type of firearm that is ever created.
These gun right absolutists make me fukkin sick.
These straw man absolutests are an embarrasment to the public discourse.
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Quote Originally Posted by UberDog:
You know what? The percentage of civilians armed in Israel is very high and the murder rate is much lower than in America.............
No--you know what? Your facts are wrong. According to the web site gunpolicy.org, the rate of private gun ownership in Israel is 7.3 firearms per 100 people compared to 88.8 firearms per 100 people in the USA.
The annual number of deaths by gun in Israel was 1.96 per 100,000. Gun homicides in US in 2008 was 9,484 per 100k.
Now I don't believe the USA and Israel is apples and oranges, but you brought it up .... so enjoy.
One of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen posted. I can't even begin to think of what mistake you possibly made. Its not even 9,484 per 1,000,000 or even 9,484 per 10,000,000. In fact, it is not even 9,484 per 100,000,000. It comes out pretty close to 9,484 to the entire population of the US, I guess that is what you meant?
I cannot stand people posting incorrect statistical analysis when trying to prove a point, so, enjoy some real statistics:
https://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list
According to this site (which I have not validated, but the US statistics and Israel statistics were close enough...when you realize the 9,484 you tried to quote was per 300,000,000 or so....that I'm willing to base an argument on them) the US has by far the highest gun ownership per 100 person, yet rank 28th in homicide per 100,000 persons. That statistic right there draws into question any true correlation between gun ownership being the cause of more gun related homicides.
Drilling down further, when you sort based on gun ownership per 100 people, the next highest ranked countries are:
Switzerland (45), Finland(62), Serbia (60), Cyprus(61), Uruguay (31), Sweden(64), Norway(103), France(101), Canada (56), Austria(78), Germany(84), and Iceland (no gun related homicides).
The number next to each country represents the overall rank in gun related homicides per 100,000 people. So, Switzerland had the 2nd highest amount of guns per 100 people, but only the 45th most gun related homicides per 100,000 people, Finland had the 3rd highest gun ownership per 100 people, but only the 62nd highest gun related homicides per 100,000 people, and so on.
Now, let's look at the data from a different perspective. Sorting based on the highest gun related homicides per 100,000 people by country:
Honduras(87), El Savador(92), Jamaica(73), Venezuela(59), Guatemala(49), Saint Kitts and Nevis(no data), Trinidad and Tobago(128), Colombia(91), Belize(63), Puerto Rico(no data)
The number next to each country above represents where it ranks out of all countries in gun ownership per 100 people. So, Honduras had the highest gun related homicides per 100,000 people, but only the 87th highest gun ownership rates per 100 people, and so on.
It does not take a rocket scientist to see the lack of correlation between gun ownership, and gun related homicides. None of the top 10 gun owning countries even ranked in the top 25 in terms of gun related homicides. None of the top gun related homicide countries even ranked in the top 40 of gun ownership countries.
Now, there is a much stronger correlation that exists. Heavy gun ownership, but lower gun related deaths in European countries. Heavy gun related deaths, but lower gun ownership in Hispanic and Carribean countries. I stopped above with the top 10-12 in both scenarios, if you extend out to 20-30 countries, it becomes more obvious and equally as pronounced, and you see African countries begin to pop up on the high gun related homicide, low gun ownership list.
Now, to conclude this statistical analysis, we need to bring this back to the United States. If you carved out the 9.484 gun related homicides that were sited in the earlier post (incorrectly in reference to the pecentage, but assuming the numer was correct), what percentage of those do you think were committed in urban areas where the demographic is more closely correlated to Hispanic or Carribean countries (high gun related homicides compared to low gun ownership) vs. the European countries (high gun ownership compared to low gun related homicides)? The Newtown massacre is beyond tragic, but the reason it is in the news is because it is so horrific, but at the same time, so unusual. The majority of gun related homicides in this country don't even make the news, and I think we all know why.
Therefore, when you step away from rhetoric and emotion, and look at cold hard statistics, I think it is quite obvious that high gun ownership in this country is not what leads to a relatively higher gun related homicide rate. I will let anyone who took the time to read through this post and these statistics draw you own conclusion as to what is the most obvious cause
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