Gun homicides around the world last year

Welcome to the Politics Forum Wake. Usually I only see you in the Football Forum.

It is impossible for there to be gun crime in Chicago, they essentially have a ban on personal firearms.

Great post Wake!

I predict crickets.

Even from the dullard.

A response will come.

How many people were killed last year around the world because of drunk driving? Will they be banning cars next?

Wake,

You are missing the obvious..

In order to draw fair comparisons you have to compare apples to apples. If you are suggesting that Honduras(87), El Savador(92), Jamaica(73), Venezuela(59), Guatemala(49), Saint Kitts and Nevis(no data), Trinidad and Tobago(128), Colombia(91), Belize(63), Puerto Rico are in any way comparable to the USA, you would be sadly mistaken.

Looking at numbers only without comparing political, social, economic variables is moronic. Of course the countries above would have high rates versus others..their social environment is just a LITTLE bit different than ours.

You have to find comparable countries with similar demographics and political governments to make any real point.

While a drunk driver is certainly culpable in his or her crime, drunk-driving deaths are still accidents -- committed "with a lack of intention," according to most dictionaries -- whereas shooting 20 children is called murder, or a massacre, "acts committed with malice and intention," again, according to most dictionaries.

 

This comparable enough for you?

In 2009, Canada (and despite some differences, there is no country on earth more comparable to the US, when comparing political, social, economic variables) had 179 gun murders.

The same year, the US had 9,146.

Based on the US having 10X the population of Canada, if Canada had the same number of people, gun homicides would have numbered 1,790.

You are missing the obvious..
  

I understand completely and agree. We have too many guns and too many homicides in this country.

I am saying if Wake is trying to compare this country to El Salvador it would be a big mistake..even Russia is a mistake.

Wake- Everybody needs an editor, including me. I got the stats wrong in my late night post, and for that I apologize. My bad.

According to gunpolicy.org, the total number of homicide by gun in the U.S. was 9,484 in 2008. That clocks out at 3.12 per 100k.

By comparison, Isreal reports 193 homicide deaths in 2008, or 2.3.

One could conclude, given the differential in gun ownership (88 guns per 100 in US versus 7.7 per 100 in Israel) that the US isn't as trigger happy as some suggest. This is certainly the case in the area where I live where there are probably 4 times as many guns per square miles as cars.

The basic point of my late night post was that Israel isn't as heavily armed as the poster I was responding to had suggested. In hindsight, I should have just laughed it off rather than stirring a fuss of my own.

I agree with you, Wake, about the improper use of stats, and I apologize for posting a glaring mistake. My bad. I'm probably the least ideological person on this forum. As I have stated in other posts here in recent days, I think mental health is the bigger and more urgent issue than guns by far.

 

 

Uber,

I think Israel is a terrible comparison and makes your point even stronger. If you look at just numbers, the US is worse..yeah that is true..but the political environment there is dramatically different than it is here, so that number is badly skewed if it were not for the multiple decade long battle going on there, plus I really dont consider Israel to be economically similar to this country.

So 2.3 number including what the social/political environment is makes the point even stronger.

Israel is not Canada or the USA, nor is Russia similar or Korea or Africa or even Greece now..

Wall,

I agree. As I stated in my original post where I screwed the pooch on the numbers, comparing the US and Israel is apples and oranges.

You have to take cultural and political issues into account, as well, when making these comparisons. That's why I say my experience living in a mostly rurual area of the country, gun owneship is high but homicide by gun is low.

I don't know if you can transport my experience to an urban environment, though, where people live and think differently. We all know what happens when you put too many rats in a cage with a single feeding tube. That's not a fair comparison, either, but you get my point.  

Why does all that social, political crap have to be the same to compare?

That's just a way for you to keep your head buried in the sand.

By the numbers we have roughly a 3% murder rate by guns. Much of that rate is in areas where guns are not allowed or strictly regulated.

Its only the mentally ill that commit these mass crimes of this nature.

Criminals usually have a hit list or off people only to attempt to not get caught committing another crime.

Of those criminals, a great deal of them have some sort of family structure break down.

Making more unenforceable gun laws is NOT where we should be spending our energy and resources.

A. Criminals don't obey those laws anyway.
B. See 'A'
C. Triggers don't pull themselves.

Are you sure we have too many homicides? What is the standard?

I agree we have to many homicides of children and young adults. One is too many for that.

Given human nature and free agency, how do you quantify how many murders is enough or more than enough?

sorry bro.....but you are so wrong. In both cases a person makes a choice. In my book a death is a death.....period!!