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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 4:02 PM ET #326

    Quote Originally Posted by CZECH_RAZOR:

    I'm not a big stat guy but someone in here can probably answer this question:

    How many unders have hit in regulation so far in the playoffs, vs overs in regulation?

    Czech,

    10 games Over in Regulation & 18 Under in regulation

    GL

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CZECH_RAZOR:

    I'm not a big stat guy but someone in here can probably answer this question:

    How many unders have hit in regulation so far in the playoffs, vs overs in regulation?

    Czech,

    10 games Over in Regulation & 18 Under in regulation

    GL

     

     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 4:07 PM ET #327

    Food for thought- 

    I'm still working out the kinks on the parameters for line-movement, and if anyone read the revised system on last page you may notice I took off the stipulation of needing a full point line move in every case.  I think in some cases you do and some cases not, depending on the percentages of public on dog/fav, o/u, etc.

    Utah and NY were both recent examples of good plays that were good because there was a huge majority against them and they still moved 1/2 a point and stayed there.  

    If the public is more divided then we need a bigger move, but when it's so lopsided such a big move shouldn't be as necessary. I do think it should be necessary for them to hold strong though, unless the line movement is big enough by itself. 

    Yesterday the Utah total went up and we grabbed it, but then went down late and it lost.  Same with Memphis, indicators said take it and then it went up 1/2 a point late and lost.

    I think the line move staying directional and not wavering is more important in most cases than how big the line move is, again though this depends on the percentages.

    Say Team A at Team B is an 8 point dog, and the public is 66% on the favorite.  If that line drops progressively all the way to -6 (huge sharp play on the dog), but then goes up to -6.5 late because every B and their whole families are firing on the favorite, this is still a sharp play on the dog imo, even though technically it wavered late. 

    I used to think all sharp plays were either sharp or not, and thus created equal, but that's really not the case.  Sometimes a move of a point can be considered the "right play", and then on another game we see a huge move denoting that game "super sharp".  

    This may seem to be getting too complicated for some, but hey, if you want to make a good living you're supposed to go to college. If you want to read one page and make $100,000 off of it good luck and forward it to me when you find it.

    If you use the 3-step program you will be a winner.  I can attest to that personally.  But I also feel that when we consider these subtle factors we increase the system's power.


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    Food for thought- 

    I'm still working out the kinks on the parameters for line-movement, and if anyone read the revised system on last page you may notice I took off the stipulation of needing a full point line move in every case.  I think in some cases you do and some cases not, depending on the percentages of public on dog/fav, o/u, etc.

    Utah and NY were both recent examples of good plays that were good because there was a huge majority against them and they still moved 1/2 a point and stayed there.  

    If the public is more divided then we need a bigger move, but when it's so lopsided such a big move shouldn't be as necessary. I do think it should be necessary for them to hold strong though, unless the line movement is big enough by itself. 

    Yesterday the Utah total went up and we grabbed it, but then went down late and it lost.  Same with Memphis, indicators said take it and then it went up 1/2 a point late and lost.

    I think the line move staying directional and not wavering is more important in most cases than how big the line move is, again though this depends on the percentages.

    Say Team A at Team B is an 8 point dog, and the public is 66% on the favorite.  If that line drops progressively all the way to -6 (huge sharp play on the dog), but then goes up to -6.5 late because every B and their whole families are firing on the favorite, this is still a sharp play on the dog imo, even though technically it wavered late. 

    I used to think all sharp plays were either sharp or not, and thus created equal, but that's really not the case.  Sometimes a move of a point can be considered the "right play", and then on another game we see a huge move denoting that game "super sharp".  

    This may seem to be getting too complicated for some, but hey, if you want to make a good living you're supposed to go to college. If you want to read one page and make $100,000 off of it good luck and forward it to me when you find it.

    If you use the 3-step program you will be a winner.  I can attest to that personally.  But I also feel that when we consider these subtle factors we increase the system's power.


     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 4:09 PM ET #328

    Thanks LT90!  

    See that's what I'm talking about right there.  I didn't even know the number but knew the unders have been killing it lately. 

    I hardly take overs at all anyways, and in the playoffs it's risky business. We might still see a sharp over here and there, but for now I'm not looking to take any unless it's super sharp.
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    Thanks LT90!  

    See that's what I'm talking about right there.  I didn't even know the number but knew the unders have been killing it lately. 

    I hardly take overs at all anyways, and in the playoffs it's risky business. We might still see a sharp over here and there, but for now I'm not looking to take any unless it's super sharp.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 4:25 PM ET #329

    Quote Originally Posted by CZECH_RAZOR:

    Alright taking a look at the line action so far.  Nothing too exciting yet.

    Indi/Orl - majority on orl, and the under. Indi and over lines are holding but no significant line action. Nothing yet.

    Bos/Atl - majorities on Bos and over, Atl line showing signs of wanting to move but nothing significant yet.  Nothing yet here either.

    Phi/Chi - majorities on Phi and over, line holding steady on both.  I like Chi and under so far personally, but nothing system-wise yet.

    Den/LAL - every buster in america on Lakers and under, line moving in busters' favor as a result.  This was expected but unfortunately can't make any system plays on such a game.

    --- I know I droned on about my thoughts on today's games earlier, but my prediction is proving to be true.  We may not get the right indicators on anything tonight, but then we might.  Idk.  I'm probably gonna bet regardless out of my own personal BR but no system plays yet.


    Your own personal BR?  Then what is all the bullshit about SYSTEM plays?  And all the bullshit about discipline?  Just tell us what you like PERSONALLY, so we can make some money.And tell us 'while we're young'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CZECH_RAZOR:

    Alright taking a look at the line action so far.  Nothing too exciting yet.

    Indi/Orl - majority on orl, and the under. Indi and over lines are holding but no significant line action. Nothing yet.

    Bos/Atl - majorities on Bos and over, Atl line showing signs of wanting to move but nothing significant yet.  Nothing yet here either.

    Phi/Chi - majorities on Phi and over, line holding steady on both.  I like Chi and under so far personally, but nothing system-wise yet.

    Den/LAL - every buster in america on Lakers and under, line moving in busters' favor as a result.  This was expected but unfortunately can't make any system plays on such a game.

    --- I know I droned on about my thoughts on today's games earlier, but my prediction is proving to be true.  We may not get the right indicators on anything tonight, but then we might.  Idk.  I'm probably gonna bet regardless out of my own personal BR but no system plays yet.


    Your own personal BR?  Then what is all the bullshit about SYSTEM plays?  And all the bullshit about discipline?  Just tell us what you like PERSONALLY, so we can make some money.And tell us 'while we're young'.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 4:57 PM ET #330

    Another hater. Rod, buster, I'm sure most in here understand what I'm saying even if you don't. This thread is about a system, and I set aside $3k real money to work it.

    We're all gamblers though and if there are 0 system plays tonight then fine but I'm sure we'll all fire something anyways.

    That gave me a good idea, maybe I should list 2 separate records, system record and personal record. That would have helped last night actually. We'll see who does better and my money is on the system.

    I'll show both though so I can post my own crap and not feel pressured to produce system plays.
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    Another hater. Rod, buster, I'm sure most in here understand what I'm saying even if you don't. This thread is about a system, and I set aside $3k real money to work it.

    We're all gamblers though and if there are 0 system plays tonight then fine but I'm sure we'll all fire something anyways.

    That gave me a good idea, maybe I should list 2 separate records, system record and personal record. That would have helped last night actually. We'll see who does better and my money is on the system.

    I'll show both though so I can post my own crap and not feel pressured to produce system plays.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:01 PM ET #331

    All the discipline talk pertains to the system not me personally. The day I get myself disciplined will be the last day I post on Covers. I'll be too busy in Vegas burning it down
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    All the discipline talk pertains to the system not me personally. The day I get myself disciplined will be the last day I post on Covers. I'll be too busy in Vegas burning it down
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:09 PM ET #332

    Wow I just realized I missed something HUGE, when I glanced at the line movement on Lakers I thought for some reason I saw the line move 1/2 a point on the Lakers but it actually dropped in favor of Denver.

    I personally like Denver and with all the B's in America on Lakers, we should def not be seeing that line go down.  This looks sharp to me.  It's too early to call it but Denver is looking sharp so far.
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    Wow I just realized I missed something HUGE, when I glanced at the line movement on Lakers I thought for some reason I saw the line move 1/2 a point on the Lakers but it actually dropped in favor of Denver.

    I personally like Denver and with all the B's in America on Lakers, we should def not be seeing that line go down.  This looks sharp to me.  It's too early to call it but Denver is looking sharp so far.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:19 PM ET #333

    Magic look like the Play as well...

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    Open Sportsbook Hilton Caesars MGM Stations Offshore Bookmaker 05/08/2012 7:05 PM EDT
    715 ORLANDO MAGIC 179 179.5 179.5 179 178.5o25 179 179.5 179.5 55% 78% 38%
    716 INDIANA PACERS -10 -04 -10 -10 -10 -10 -10.5 -10 -08 -10 45% 22% 62%

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    Magic look like the Play as well...

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    Open Sportsbook Hilton Caesars MGM Stations Offshore Bookmaker 05/08/2012 7:05 PM EDT
    715 ORLANDO MAGIC 179 179.5 179.5 179 178.5o25 179 179.5 179.5 55% 78% 38%
    716 INDIANA PACERS -10 -04 -10 -10 -10 -10 -10.5 -10 -08 -10 45% 22% 62%

     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:22 PM ET #334

    ***We don't make final decisions on games until late, 99% of the time, but here's the games to look at so far:

    1) Denver - busters across the board are pounding LAL, but the line has moved DOWN, indicating a sharp play.  It'll be interesting to see if this 5.5 line will hold.

    Nothing else right now unfortunately.  Not gonna force anything. Only thing that looks sharp so far is Denver.

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    ***We don't make final decisions on games until late, 99% of the time, but here's the games to look at so far:

    1) Denver - busters across the board are pounding LAL, but the line has moved DOWN, indicating a sharp play.  It'll be interesting to see if this 5.5 line will hold.

    Nothing else right now unfortunately.  Not gonna force anything. Only thing that looks sharp so far is Denver.

     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:52 PM ET #335

    Hey Czech. Are you seeing anything with the Bulls line. I'm seeing that it opened at Bulls -4.5 and now at -5 but about 80% of the public is on Philly. Let me know what you see bro
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    Hey Czech. Are you seeing anything with the Bulls line. I'm seeing that it opened at Bulls -4.5 and now at -5 but about 80% of the public is on Philly. Let me know what you see bro
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:53 PM ET #336

    Hawks have moved to 2 at pinnacle from the open of 1 with everyone on the Celtics my friend. 
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    Hawks have moved to 2 at pinnacle from the open of 1 with everyone on the Celtics my friend. 
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:54 PM ET #337

    Hey does anyone know if the numbers on VegasInsider matchups are reliable?

    Someone pointed out the site to me the other day and I know a lot of people in here use these type $ % stats but I never used to, and don't know if they're reliable, but some of the percentages look really skewed and I'm wondering if the sample size is really small or something.
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    Hey does anyone know if the numbers on VegasInsider matchups are reliable?

    Someone pointed out the site to me the other day and I know a lot of people in here use these type $ % stats but I never used to, and don't know if they're reliable, but some of the percentages look really skewed and I'm wondering if the sample size is really small or something.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 5:59 PM ET #338

    Kendawg, Donnie, what's up fellas.  I see you guys are thinking like me.  I've been looking at both of these also, but I thought Bulls was at -5 the whole time?

    Kendawg where are you looking at the Bulls line history? 

    As far as Atl goes, if it goes to -2 I'll be on them. I already like them but we need some line movement to qualify it. And I haven't seen any line movement on Bulls either, but it does look strong since it hasn't dropped like you might expect.  

    Even the catholic church is betting tonight on Phi so I'm inclined to like the Bulls also, plus they're my home team.  No official plays on the games yet but I'm looking at both of these also. 
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    Kendawg, Donnie, what's up fellas.  I see you guys are thinking like me.  I've been looking at both of these also, but I thought Bulls was at -5 the whole time?

    Kendawg where are you looking at the Bulls line history? 

    As far as Atl goes, if it goes to -2 I'll be on them. I already like them but we need some line movement to qualify it. And I haven't seen any line movement on Bulls either, but it does look strong since it hasn't dropped like you might expect.  

    Even the catholic church is betting tonight on Phi so I'm inclined to like the Bulls also, plus they're my home team.  No official plays on the games yet but I'm looking at both of these also. 
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 6:16 PM ET #339

    I'm using pregame.com and scoresandodds.com. Both saying the same
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    I'm using pregame.com and scoresandodds.com. Both saying the same
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 6:47 PM ET #340

    Hey kendawg I checked out pregame.com which looks alright for bet % but where does it show the line history.

    I'd like to see what you guys saw on the line movement on Atl and Bulls.
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    Hey kendawg I checked out pregame.com which looks alright for bet % but where does it show the line history.

    I'd like to see what you guys saw on the line movement on Atl and Bulls.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 6:57 PM ET #341

    I see the line action on the Atl game is bouncing around between -1 and -2, and my book has had them at -1.5 all day.  No pick on this one for now.

    Also on the Bulls game it's been at -5 all day.  A couple books may have opened at -4.5 a couple days ago but everywhere is showing -5 all day today, so this doesn't qualify as a move.  If those books open at 4.5 and everyone else is at 5 they'll move it to 5 real quick but that's not a true line move. 

    I'm looking for line moves today and neither of these games qualify so far.  I happen to like both but can't call them system plays at this time.
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    I see the line action on the Atl game is bouncing around between -1 and -2, and my book has had them at -1.5 all day.  No pick on this one for now.

    Also on the Bulls game it's been at -5 all day.  A couple books may have opened at -4.5 a couple days ago but everywhere is showing -5 all day today, so this doesn't qualify as a move.  If those books open at 4.5 and everyone else is at 5 they'll move it to 5 real quick but that's not a true line move. 

    I'm looking for line moves today and neither of these games qualify so far.  I happen to like both but can't call them system plays at this time.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:02 PM ET #342

    I'm scouring sites and line histories for the Big 2 (line movement vs consensus) but just not seeing it yet.  

    I personally like Bulls and Atl both, but neither qualify as system plays. 
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    I'm scouring sites and line histories for the Big 2 (line movement vs consensus) but just not seeing it yet.  

    I personally like Bulls and Atl both, but neither qualify as system plays. 
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:03 PM ET #343

    You cant read into the % numbers which side ppl are on. That is based on FREE picks...means those people have zero money riding on the game. Also its about where the MONEY is, not the % of ppl. There could be 100 small bets on Philly and 2 LARGE bets on chicago and you would read 98% on philly. Dont read too much into that
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    You cant read into the % numbers which side ppl are on. That is based on FREE picks...means those people have zero money riding on the game. Also its about where the MONEY is, not the % of ppl. There could be 100 small bets on Philly and 2 LARGE bets on chicago and you would read 98% on philly. Dont read too much into that
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:04 PM ET #344

    Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:

       Another moron that's full of shit.  Enterainment value only.

    Hey RodWoman, wanna lay down a dime that this strategy won't last 6 months?  If not, shut the fuck up.  How is anything that I say full of shit?  Enlighten me please.  Please give me some insight on how this will work.  Douchebag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:

       Another moron that's full of shit.  Enterainment value only.

    Hey RodWoman, wanna lay down a dime that this strategy won't last 6 months?  If not, shut the fuck up.  How is anything that I say full of shit?  Enlighten me please.  Please give me some insight on how this will work.  Douchebag.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:06 PM ET #345

    Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:

    Your own personal BR?  Then what is all the bullshit about SYSTEM plays?  And all the bullshit about discipline?  Just tell us what you like PERSONALLY, so we can make some money.And tell us 'while we're young'.

    Why don't you grow some balls, do your own homework, take some responsibility, and make your own picks you fucking sheep.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:

    Your own personal BR?  Then what is all the bullshit about SYSTEM plays?  And all the bullshit about discipline?  Just tell us what you like PERSONALLY, so we can make some money.And tell us 'while we're young'.

    Why don't you grow some balls, do your own homework, take some responsibility, and make your own picks you fucking sheep.  
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:07 PM ET #346

    I've been watching these lines all day and a couple were looking to have potential but now they're a stretch at best.  Some of these lines are just what they have to be, and we can lean this way or that but nothing is jumping out system-wise, with the exception of Denver, but it's too early to call that one.
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    I've been watching these lines all day and a couple were looking to have potential but now they're a stretch at best.  Some of these lines are just what they have to be, and we can lean this way or that but nothing is jumping out system-wise, with the exception of Denver, but it's too early to call that one.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:09 PM ET #347

    Quote Originally Posted by AceLine25:

    You cant read into the % numbers which side ppl are on. That is based on FREE picks...means those people have zero money riding on the game. Also its about where the MONEY is, not the % of ppl. There could be 100 small bets on Philly and 2 LARGE bets on chicago and you would read 98% on philly. Dont read too much into that

    Ace, thanks for posting, are you talking about on Covers or elsewhere?

    This is what I want to know and you make a good point.  If pregame.com has 77% on side A and 23% side B does that mean dollars or # of bets?

    I think even if it's dollars it still doesn't tell us shit, since we don't know what % of those % are sharp vs buster.

    That's why I've used Covers' data successfully, specifically because it's not real money.  I feel this shows us the most honest look at what people really like, which is what Vegas wants to know also when they adjust the lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceLine25:

    You cant read into the % numbers which side ppl are on. That is based on FREE picks...means those people have zero money riding on the game. Also its about where the MONEY is, not the % of ppl. There could be 100 small bets on Philly and 2 LARGE bets on chicago and you would read 98% on philly. Dont read too much into that

    Ace, thanks for posting, are you talking about on Covers or elsewhere?

    This is what I want to know and you make a good point.  If pregame.com has 77% on side A and 23% side B does that mean dollars or # of bets?

    I think even if it's dollars it still doesn't tell us shit, since we don't know what % of those % are sharp vs buster.

    That's why I've used Covers' data successfully, specifically because it's not real money.  I feel this shows us the most honest look at what people really like, which is what Vegas wants to know also when they adjust the lines.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:11 PM ET #348

    Vision,

    Listen hater beat it.  Grow some balls yourself and get your own thread going, or go do something productive.

    Wasn't it you that made the asinine comment the other day, that even at 60% we can't beat the juice?  That's probably why they called you a moron.
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    Vision,

    Listen hater beat it.  Grow some balls yourself and get your own thread going, or go do something productive.

    Wasn't it you that made the asinine comment the other day, that even at 60% we can't beat the juice?  That's probably why they called you a moron.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:13 PM ET #349

    Quote Originally Posted by vision23x:

    You wanted the spotlight, you got it.  Performing under pressure and going 4-0 when nobody is paying attention is a different story.  When you're under the spotlight, you'll have fans and you'll have haters.  You have to accept the good and the bad.  I'll be forward and say that I'm hating... but you asked for the attention.  I could be a jackass and say quit your day job but I won't.

    If you want to be successful at this, it's gonna take more than picking 60% winners.  Eventually the juice is going catch up with you.  All the stress, time, and money invested in this isn't worth it.  This isn't even counting the fact that you need a strict money management routine to even survive.

    It looks like you're running bad.  That halftime over wager was totally unnecessary.  You're just chasing loses and not even paying attention to the tempo of this game.

    Self control, homework on every aspect of a game wagered, and proper money/bankroll management is the key to success.  Pick your spots and pound a game if you REALLY like it.  No stupid system is going to help you retire anytime soon.  That's why it's called gambling.

    Just my two cents.  



    Lol yep it was.  Thanks for proving our point you buster
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    Quote Originally Posted by vision23x:

    You wanted the spotlight, you got it.  Performing under pressure and going 4-0 when nobody is paying attention is a different story.  When you're under the spotlight, you'll have fans and you'll have haters.  You have to accept the good and the bad.  I'll be forward and say that I'm hating... but you asked for the attention.  I could be a jackass and say quit your day job but I won't.

    If you want to be successful at this, it's gonna take more than picking 60% winners.  Eventually the juice is going catch up with you.  All the stress, time, and money invested in this isn't worth it.  This isn't even counting the fact that you need a strict money management routine to even survive.

    It looks like you're running bad.  That halftime over wager was totally unnecessary.  You're just chasing loses and not even paying attention to the tempo of this game.

    Self control, homework on every aspect of a game wagered, and proper money/bankroll management is the key to success.  Pick your spots and pound a game if you REALLY like it.  No stupid system is going to help you retire anytime soon.  That's why it's called gambling.

    Just my two cents.  



    Lol yep it was.  Thanks for proving our point you buster
     
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2012 - 7:20 PM ET #350

    Alright guys I was gonna comment on a different note about these big line moves we're seeing that the public was on.  I predicted this earlier, and obviously they don't qualify under #2 of the system, but that doesn't mean a play can't be sharp, just because the public likes it also.

    I've been accused of "confusing" things by talking about too much so not gonna delve into this since it's outside the purviews of my system, but if you see a move that's big enough it might be worth consideration.
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    Alright guys I was gonna comment on a different note about these big line moves we're seeing that the public was on.  I predicted this earlier, and obviously they don't qualify under #2 of the system, but that doesn't mean a play can't be sharp, just because the public likes it also.

    I've been accused of "confusing" things by talking about too much so not gonna delve into this since it's outside the purviews of my system, but if you see a move that's big enough it might be worth consideration.
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