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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 8:16 AM ET #251

    Damn Rizz, that's some serious research. How do you keep it all straight? Plus you follow the sweep chase. And don't you have another thread with MLB as the vehicle?

    You should do a summary at some point to show what all you do.

    Good stuff.

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    Damn Rizz, that's some serious research. How do you keep it all straight? Plus you follow the sweep chase. And don't you have another thread with MLB as the vehicle?

    You should do a summary at some point to show what all you do.

    Good stuff.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 10:12 AM ET #252

    NM,

    It was getting a little hairy wrapping up my nba system and rolling into the two mlb systems.  There is a pretty good summary from post 71-95 (starts on page 3) showing a breakdown of all the plays for the last 3 years on ML and/or RL, including just playing RL if the juice is above -190, and if you placed a RL wager through the entire series.  I also have backtested this using just the opening line which has very similar numbers (as opposed to the closing line which was originally used to backtest).  I just noticed this trend with o/u above and below 9 last evening after trying to help neilsy avoid 1 run games in his thread.  The key is to keep the juice as low as possible.  I accomplish this by playing mostly on the -1 line and some on the RL, I would rather have a few series push instead of having a huge juice loss that burns 20U!

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    NM,

    It was getting a little hairy wrapping up my nba system and rolling into the two mlb systems.  There is a pretty good summary from post 71-95 (starts on page 3) showing a breakdown of all the plays for the last 3 years on ML and/or RL, including just playing RL if the juice is above -190, and if you placed a RL wager through the entire series.  I also have backtested this using just the opening line which has very similar numbers (as opposed to the closing line which was originally used to backtest).  I just noticed this trend with o/u above and below 9 last evening after trying to help neilsy avoid 1 run games in his thread.  The key is to keep the juice as low as possible.  I accomplish this by playing mostly on the -1 line and some on the RL, I would rather have a few series push instead of having a huge juice loss that burns 20U!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 10:51 AM ET #253

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Comparisons:

    2009:

    playing all series on ML = 246-7

    o/u 9+ filter =            142-2

    under 9 = 104-5

    2008

    all series on ML = 258-10

    o/u 9+ filter = 167-3

    under 9 = 91-7

    *** I am a little surprised by this finding, but strangely enough playing the series that start under 9 are not adding much value, especially if the juice is high.  I am going to mark the series O/U from now on.  I am considering playing the series where the o/u is 9 or higher for 2U instead of 1.  Interested to read others opinions about this???  If we could use the oddsmakers knowledge against them to not only select series and a filter could be the ultimate coup!

     

    You seem to be right on. I love this opening game system!! If this other stuff works all of us owe you so much!!!It takes me a bit to totally understand the system, If you are going to play this new stuff i will as well Im a very small player but with your system I am able to enjoy winning for a change thanks. I will have to take a road trip on the bilk and make sure that I repay you for this info. thanks  man you are awesome

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Comparisons:

    2009:

    playing all series on ML = 246-7

    o/u 9+ filter =            142-2

    under 9 = 104-5

    2008

    all series on ML = 258-10

    o/u 9+ filter = 167-3

    under 9 = 91-7

    *** I am a little surprised by this finding, but strangely enough playing the series that start under 9 are not adding much value, especially if the juice is high.  I am going to mark the series O/U from now on.  I am considering playing the series where the o/u is 9 or higher for 2U instead of 1.  Interested to read others opinions about this???  If we could use the oddsmakers knowledge against them to not only select series and a filter could be the ultimate coup!

     

    You seem to be right on. I love this opening game system!! If this other stuff works all of us owe you so much!!!It takes me a bit to totally understand the system, If you are going to play this new stuff i will as well Im a very small player but with your system I am able to enjoy winning for a change thanks. I will have to take a road trip on the bilk and make sure that I repay you for this info. thanks  man you are awesome

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 12:58 PM ET #254

    no boston run line today?
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 1:07 PM ET #255

    Yeah sorry avenue.  If you are playing them for RL you can continue today.  I pushed at -1 on them twice and decided to move on.
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    Yeah sorry avenue.  If you are playing them for RL you can continue today.  I pushed at -1 on them twice and decided to move on.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 1:12 PM ET #256

    where do you find -1
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 1:17 PM ET #257

    Rizz

    Would you please a explain a bit more on your Total O/U 9 Findings ??

    I just want to make sure I have it down, Also on the O/U Overall records for the last 2 years if you have time could you breakdown the wins and loses as a whole. EX : 104 - 2 are those 2 series loses a 3 game stretch or a 4 game one ? Also how many wagers does it go to in regards to a. A bet b bet C bet and or D bet.

    Thanks

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    Rizz

    Would you please a explain a bit more on your Total O/U 9 Findings ??

    I just want to make sure I have it down, Also on the O/U Overall records for the last 2 years if you have time could you breakdown the wins and loses as a whole. EX : 104 - 2 are those 2 series loses a 3 game stretch or a 4 game one ? Also how many wagers does it go to in regards to a. A bet b bet C bet and or D bet.

    Thanks

    BK
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 1:18 PM ET #258

    rizz = number crunching machine
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 2:49 PM ET #259

    Quote Originally Posted by bigkeith:

    Rizz

    Would you please a explain a bit more on your Total O/U 9 Findings ??

    I just want to make sure I have it down, Also on the O/U Overall records for the last 2 years if you have time could you breakdown the wins and loses as a whole. EX : 104 - 2 are those 2 series loses a 3 game stretch or a 4 game one ? Also how many wagers does it go to in regards to a. A bet b bet C bet and or D bet.

    Thanks

    BK

    The two losses would be on 3 game series.  No series had to go to a d bet if I remember correctly.  If I have time tonight I will try to give a breakdown of the records of these subsets of games on ML and RL but it will likely be very similar to the previous numbers without the o/u filter.  If I don't get it done tonight it may be awhile as I am back on service this week.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkeith:

    Rizz

    Would you please a explain a bit more on your Total O/U 9 Findings ??

    I just want to make sure I have it down, Also on the O/U Overall records for the last 2 years if you have time could you breakdown the wins and loses as a whole. EX : 104 - 2 are those 2 series loses a 3 game stretch or a 4 game one ? Also how many wagers does it go to in regards to a. A bet b bet C bet and or D bet.

    Thanks

    BK

    The two losses would be on 3 game series.  No series had to go to a d bet if I remember correctly.  If I have time tonight I will try to give a breakdown of the records of these subsets of games on ML and RL but it will likely be very similar to the previous numbers without the o/u filter.  If I don't get it done tonight it may be awhile as I am back on service this week.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 3:04 PM ET #260

    Quote Originally Posted by avenue:

    where do you find -1

    You have to create it by placing part of the wager on the ML and part on the RL whereas if the ML wins it essentially cancels out the amount you placed on the RL.  Overall if decreases the odds significantly.  I have a calculator in excel.  If you PM me your email I can forward it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avenue:

    where do you find -1

    You have to create it by placing part of the wager on the ML and part on the RL whereas if the ML wins it essentially cancels out the amount you placed on the RL.  Overall if decreases the odds significantly.  I have a calculator in excel.  If you PM me your email I can forward it to you.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 3:10 PM ET #261

    Rizz: So do run the system plays all on the -1 line or ML and when juice is over -200 play the -1?
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    Rizz: So do run the system plays all on the -1 line or ML and when juice is over -200 play the -1?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 3:30 PM ET #262

    I don't really have a set rule.  Generally up to about 170 or so I will play ML, then -1 on anything higher...mostly RL 210 or so and up but really just depends on how strongly I feel about the series.  Now that I have seen the O/U data will prob play more -1, RL in situations with the higher o/u set.
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    I don't really have a set rule.  Generally up to about 170 or so I will play ML, then -1 on anything higher...mostly RL 210 or so and up but really just depends on how strongly I feel about the series.  Now that I have seen the O/U data will prob play more -1, RL in situations with the higher o/u set.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 3:45 PM ET #263

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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 4:36 PM ET #264

    I should also state that the record is kept based on ML.
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 5:53 PM ET #265

    2009 AL with O/U filter

    ML Record 88-1

    Game 1 = 58-31, 65.2%

    Game 2 = 21-10, 67.7%

    Game 3 = 9-1, 90%

     

    RL record for all games regardless of odds = 85-4

    Game 1 = 45-44, 50.6%

    Game 2 = 24-20, 54.5%

    Game 3 = 16-4, 80%

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    2009 AL with O/U filter

    ML Record 88-1

    Game 1 = 58-31, 65.2%

    Game 2 = 21-10, 67.7%

    Game 3 = 9-1, 90%

     

    RL record for all games regardless of odds = 85-4

    Game 1 = 45-44, 50.6%

    Game 2 = 24-20, 54.5%

    Game 3 = 16-4, 80%

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 5:58 PM ET #266

    So does this mean there were 89 games where the line was -145+ and had O/U at 9+ ?  If played as a 3 game series went 88-1 playing on the money line?
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    So does this mean there were 89 games where the line was -145+ and had O/U at 9+ ?  If played as a 3 game series went 88-1 playing on the money line?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdmop:

    So does this mean there were 89 games where the line was -145+ and had O/U at 9+ ?  If played as a 3 game series went 88-1 playing on the money line?

    Right, this is just for AL.  NL numbers being posted now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdmop:

    So does this mean there were 89 games where the line was -145+ and had O/U at 9+ ?  If played as a 3 game series went 88-1 playing on the money line?

    Right, this is just for AL.  NL numbers being posted now.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:37 PM ET #268

    NL 2009 with 9+ O/U filter

    ML record = 63-1

    Game 1 = 51-13, 79.7%  ---- holy schnikes!

    Game 2 = 9-4, 69.2%

    Game 3 = 3-1, 75%

     

    Runline record for all 3 games regardless of odds = 60-4

    Game 1 = 37-27, 57.8%

    Game 2 = 16-11, 59.3%

    Game 3 = 7-4, 63.6%

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    NL 2009 with 9+ O/U filter

    ML record = 63-1

    Game 1 = 51-13, 79.7%  ---- holy schnikes!

    Game 2 = 9-4, 69.2%

    Game 3 = 3-1, 75%

     

    Runline record for all 3 games regardless of odds = 60-4

    Game 1 = 37-27, 57.8%

    Game 2 = 16-11, 59.3%

    Game 3 = 7-4, 63.6%

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:45 PM ET #269

    2009 Combined records with 9+ o/u filter

    ML = 151-2

    Game 1 = 110-44, 71.4%

    Game 2 = 30-14, 68.2%

    Game 3 = 12-2, 85.7%

     

    RL for all 3 games of series = 145-8

    Game 1 = 82-71, 53.6%

    Game 2 = 40-31, 56.3%

    Game 3= 23-8, 74.2%

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    2009 Combined records with 9+ o/u filter

    ML = 151-2

    Game 1 = 110-44, 71.4%

    Game 2 = 30-14, 68.2%

    Game 3 = 12-2, 85.7%

     

    RL for all 3 games of series = 145-8

    Game 1 = 82-71, 53.6%

    Game 2 = 40-31, 56.3%

    Game 3= 23-8, 74.2%

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 6:53 PM ET #270

    Can you run the analysis for just interleague play?
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 8:41 PM ET #271

    so based on the new o/u filter and based on scoresandodds, the only team that qualifies is Col.  dont have a number for the cubs.

     

    Please let me know if this is correct or completely wrong.

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    so based on the new o/u filter and based on scoresandodds, the only team that qualifies is Col.  dont have a number for the cubs.

     

    Please let me know if this is correct or completely wrong.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 8:49 PM ET #272

    Plays for tomorrow:

    LAA -175 O/U 8.5
    SEA -163 O/U 7.5
    PHI -153 O/U 6.5
    MIL -200 O/U 8.5  RL here or -1?
    CHC -160 O/U ?
    FLA -159 O/U 8
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    LAA -175 O/U 8.5
    SEA -163 O/U 7.5
    PHI -153 O/U 6.5
    MIL -200 O/U 8.5  RL here or -1?
    CHC -160 O/U ?
    FLA -159 O/U 8
     
    kkirby99
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 9:06 PM ET #273

    At the moment nobody qualifies.
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 9:07 PM ET #274

    Based on the O/U filter, that is.
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 9:12 PM ET #275

    I am going to continue to play these anyway.  I am only going to use the O/U filter as a secondary filter.  If the plays qualify based on the O/U filter I will increase my unit wager by something like 25-50%
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