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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2009 - 12:46 AM ET #101

    Yeah Eli, this is pissing me off.  What makes me the most pissed is that I didn't have either of these chases (VAN or COL) on my spreadsheet. I got too greedy.  SHIT!
     
    Great opportunity with Detroit coming up on Monday.  I will be playing the rest of my bankroll ($1,000) on that chase and suspending any further action.  If the Red Wings lose 3 in a row at home, I give up.
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    Yeah Eli, this is pissing me off.  What makes me the most pissed is that I didn't have either of these chases (VAN or COL) on my spreadsheet. I got too greedy.  SHIT!
     
    Great opportunity with Detroit coming up on Monday.  I will be playing the rest of my bankroll ($1,000) on that chase and suspending any further action.  If the Red Wings lose 3 in a row at home, I give up.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2009 - 12:52 AM ET #102

    Canucks are a joke.
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2009 - 1:19 AM ET #103

    Sea....
     
    Agreed.....on the greed.....Av's burnt me but Detriot's homestand with the Blues, Yotes & the Oil will be Very/Very/Very Juicy....this will prob. force regulation ML plays or -1 play.....which can really piss a roll off.
     
    Av's hosting the Flames on Monday (4th game in the post-AS break greed chase).....If I remember correctly, someone in the #2 tread stated that they back-tested/researched to the '05-06 season and the Av's were one of the 11 teams that have not loss a chase (based on 4 games)....However, this Av's chase is really not in the original parameters, whereas they technically won the chase prior to the break.  
     
    This will be called a greed/sweat play at your own risk!!!!  Also, the Nucks are a cold reminder of this!!!!!!
     
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    Sea....
     
    Agreed.....on the greed.....Av's burnt me but Detriot's homestand with the Blues, Yotes & the Oil will be Very/Very/Very Juicy....this will prob. force regulation ML plays or -1 play.....which can really piss a roll off.
     
    Av's hosting the Flames on Monday (4th game in the post-AS break greed chase).....If I remember correctly, someone in the #2 tread stated that they back-tested/researched to the '05-06 season and the Av's were one of the 11 teams that have not loss a chase (based on 4 games)....However, this Av's chase is really not in the original parameters, whereas they technically won the chase prior to the break.  
     
    This will be called a greed/sweat play at your own risk!!!!  Also, the Nucks are a cold reminder of this!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2009 - 8:55 AM ET #104

    Yeah DrLump, that was me that backtested it and posted about the teams that have never lost.  I'm not going to risk it on Colorado (they beat Calgary just before the break, I doubt they do it again).
     
    No way will I put $600 on Vancouver to recoup + win when they play Carolina.  Detroit will be very juicy, but they will win one of those games.
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    Yeah DrLump, that was me that backtested it and posted about the teams that have never lost.  I'm not going to risk it on Colorado (they beat Calgary just before the break, I doubt they do it again).
     
    No way will I put $600 on Vancouver to recoup + win when they play Carolina.  Detroit will be very juicy, but they will win one of those games.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2009 - 9:51 AM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by seahawksanders:

    Yeah Eli, this is pissing me off.  What makes me the most pissed is that I didn't have either of these chases (VAN or COL) on my spreadsheet. I got too greedy.  SHIT!
     
    Great opportunity with Detroit coming up on Monday.  I will be playing the rest of my bankroll ($1,000) on that chase and suspending any further action.  If the Red Wings lose 3 in a row at home, I give up.


    Oh man,  that colorado chase is beyond bad timing. I mean, seriously, they close the chase on their 2nd game of the 8 game home stand and proceed to lose all their next games. But, another lesson to be considered I guess. DON'T mess with the original system. That's what it's meant to do : to break up these 3 game losing streaks ( which it did ).

    As for Vancouver, I was not expecting them to even out the system and more so, losing 8 straight with 1 game away ( ironically against the Sharks of all teams ) and actually showing up by only losing 2 - 1 in OT. Absolutely insane.

    Sea , watch them Canucks get back on track exactly on the day no one actually plays them in here.

    Also, I like the thinking with Detroit but need I point out that they've actually lost 5 in a row .
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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawksanders:

    Yeah Eli, this is pissing me off.  What makes me the most pissed is that I didn't have either of these chases (VAN or COL) on my spreadsheet. I got too greedy.  SHIT!
     
    Great opportunity with Detroit coming up on Monday.  I will be playing the rest of my bankroll ($1,000) on that chase and suspending any further action.  If the Red Wings lose 3 in a row at home, I give up.


    Oh man,  that colorado chase is beyond bad timing. I mean, seriously, they close the chase on their 2nd game of the 8 game home stand and proceed to lose all their next games. But, another lesson to be considered I guess. DON'T mess with the original system. That's what it's meant to do : to break up these 3 game losing streaks ( which it did ).

    As for Vancouver, I was not expecting them to even out the system and more so, losing 8 straight with 1 game away ( ironically against the Sharks of all teams ) and actually showing up by only losing 2 - 1 in OT. Absolutely insane.

    Sea , watch them Canucks get back on track exactly on the day no one actually plays them in here.

    Also, I like the thinking with Detroit but need I point out that they've actually lost 5 in a row .
     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2009 - 10:05 AM ET #106

    Guys this is why i said , you need to be disciplined and watch this year and if it works out play it next year. There are going to be bumps and bruises . I played it once and lost have not played it with real money since just watching everyone else lose or win. I can not stress this enough
    Usually when a team is in a slump like Vancouver and they keep favoring them you have to ride the dog but i am sticking with the original system.

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    Guys this is why i said , you need to be disciplined and watch this year and if it works out play it next year. There are going to be bumps and bruises . I played it once and lost have not played it with real money since just watching everyone else lose or win. I can not stress this enough
    Usually when a team is in a slump like Vancouver and they keep favoring them you have to ride the dog but i am sticking with the original system.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2009 - 12:35 PM ET #107

    The problem with chasing det is the high juice.How many times have we seen them as a -300 or plus fav and they lose
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    The problem with chasing det is the high juice.How many times have we seen them as a -300 or plus fav and they lose
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2009 - 10:03 AM ET #108

    I wanted to share something I have been doing to try and cut down on losses from cold teams. Instead of chasing each team I am chasing a win in each game of the stand. I am taking the money lost from a game one loss and adding that to what I want to win in the next home stands game one and so on for each game in the series.
     
    I have just just started playing this system and I am not sure if It will net more or less money. I have heard that it works well for other chases and think it will work for this one because of the research that was posted breaking down the win percentage for each game level.
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    I wanted to share something I have been doing to try and cut down on losses from cold teams. Instead of chasing each team I am chasing a win in each game of the stand. I am taking the money lost from a game one loss and adding that to what I want to win in the next home stands game one and so on for each game in the series.
     
    I have just just started playing this system and I am not sure if It will net more or less money. I have heard that it works well for other chases and think it will work for this one because of the research that was posted breaking down the win percentage for each game level.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2009 - 12:16 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by collectNOW:

    The problem with chasing det is the high juice.How many times have we seen them as a -300 or plus fav and they lose


    Here comes the juice !

    Best I could get is -165 for the regulation line cause -275 is just insane.

    Proceed with caution is great advice right now.

    Joe - Don't see how this can net you more profit long term. But, it might take longer to even out than chasing three games so I like the sound of that. Keep us posted if you happen to keep track of the record for these first games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by collectNOW:

    The problem with chasing det is the high juice.How many times have we seen them as a -300 or plus fav and they lose


    Here comes the juice !

    Best I could get is -165 for the regulation line cause -275 is just insane.

    Proceed with caution is great advice right now.

    Joe - Don't see how this can net you more profit long term. But, it might take longer to even out than chasing three games so I like the sound of that. Keep us posted if you happen to keep track of the record for these first games.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2009 - 12:33 PM ET #110

    plays for today

    Feb 2

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    Detroit   -180 play the -0.5 line
    good luck
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    plays for today

    Feb 2

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    Detroit   -180 play the -0.5 line
    good luck
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2009 - 6:27 PM ET #111

    Here's what I'm going with tonight:

    DET PL
    STL/DET O5.5
    COL gm3

    Cmon sweep!
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    Here's what I'm going with tonight:

    DET PL
    STL/DET O5.5
    COL gm3

    Cmon sweep!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2009 - 6:58 PM ET #112

    I went with Detroit -1 ($185 to win $100).  I also took the over for $50.  I need some wins gang! 

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    I went with Detroit -1 ($185 to win $100).  I also took the over for $50.  I need some wins gang! 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2009 - 8:08 PM ET #113

    wtf was that goal Osgood just allowed?  WOW!
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 1:07 AM ET #114

    2-1 I'll take it. Thank you Avs!


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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 1:35 AM ET #115

    Looks like Ottawa is the only play for Tues. They stink so should do a fade chase with them?

    Let me know if I missed any other chases.

    We also have GM3 of VAN.
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    Looks like Ottawa is the only play for Tues. They stink so should do a fade chase with them?

    Let me know if I missed any other chases.

    We also have GM3 of VAN.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 12:21 PM ET #116

    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:

    2-1 I'll take it. Thank you Avs!


    Great job with the Colorado chase Marnypoly. Got rewarded for sticking with them.

    Sea - Was that -1 line from 5Dimes which means a push? If so, that was a nice pick as well. Limited your losses instead of getting the bad beat with Wings not winning in regulation.

    Vancouver has a game 3 tonight. For the purpose of tracking, I'm hoping they can pull off the win.

    Ottawa falls in the NEW COACH category. Seems like that's a winning angle but tough call for tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:

    2-1 I'll take it. Thank you Avs!


    Great job with the Colorado chase Marnypoly. Got rewarded for sticking with them.

    Sea - Was that -1 line from 5Dimes which means a push? If so, that was a nice pick as well. Limited your losses instead of getting the bad beat with Wings not winning in regulation.

    Vancouver has a game 3 tonight. For the purpose of tracking, I'm hoping they can pull off the win.

    Ottawa falls in the NEW COACH category. Seems like that's a winning angle but tough call for tonight.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 3:25 PM ET #117

    Feb 3
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    Vancouver -152     god they are due for a win, i am not going against the system

    LA
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    Good luck
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    Vancouver -152     god they are due for a win, i am not going against the system

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    Ottawa  -132

    Good luck
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 4:10 PM ET #118

    I lost $316 on the Avs chase and quit on it...then they win, figures. 
     
    Yeah, I took the Red Wings at -1 last night Eli and am thinking about doing the same on Vancouver tonight.  I can't believe I'm doing it, but I'm going to try and recoup the Canuck losses tonight ($509).  I may do the -1 though...I am scared.
     
    I wish I was a robot on this stuff and just stuck to the system and played it without emotion. hehe
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    I lost $316 on the Avs chase and quit on it...then they win, figures. 
     
    Yeah, I took the Red Wings at -1 last night Eli and am thinking about doing the same on Vancouver tonight.  I can't believe I'm doing it, but I'm going to try and recoup the Canuck losses tonight ($509).  I may do the -1 though...I am scared.
     
    I wish I was a robot on this stuff and just stuck to the system and played it without emotion. hehe
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawksanders:

     
    I wish I was a robot on this stuff and just stuck to the system and played it without emotion. hehe


    Could not have said it any better than that. This is the key to making a profit on systems and strategies. Of course, other factors come in to play but that's a big one.

    BOL to all you guys tonight . Plenty of good games tonight so enjoy the hockey as well.
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    I wish I was a robot on this stuff and just stuck to the system and played it without emotion. hehe


    Could not have said it any better than that. This is the key to making a profit on systems and strategies. Of course, other factors come in to play but that's a big one.

    BOL to all you guys tonight . Plenty of good games tonight so enjoy the hockey as well.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 6:07 PM ET #120

    I have $628 on Vancouver tonight.  This could end my NHL chase career thanks to my mismanagement of money.
     
    $300 to win $200 ML
    $328.21 to win $384 Vancouver -1
     
    Jesus. 
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    I have $628 on Vancouver tonight.  This could end my NHL chase career thanks to my mismanagement of money.
     
    $300 to win $200 ML
    $328.21 to win $384 Vancouver -1
     
    Jesus. 
     
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    I have been following this for a bit now and feel I must chime in. I Love this stuff and reading these posts helps make ca$h. I took this original format and back-tested it throughout this season with a twist. From LAST SEASON'S final standings I wrote down the Top 5 Home teams, Top 5 Road teams, Bottom 5 Home teams and Bottom 5 Road teams. Then I put the magical (at least) 3 Home or Road games in a row stretch to the test.
     
    Top 5 Homers: Play on when beginning at least 3 game Home stand. Do the A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 18-0
    Breakdown: 8 A wins, 7 B wins, 3 C wins
     
    Top 5 Roadies: Play on when beginning at least 3 game Road stand. A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 19-0
    Breakdown: 13 A wins, 5 B wins, 1 C win
     
    Bottom 5 Homers: Fade when beginning at least 3 game Home stand. A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 17-0
    Breakdown: 8 A wins, 6 B wins, 3 C wins
     
    Bottom 5 Roadies: Fade when beginning at least 3 game Road trip. A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 17-1 (Columbus screwed it up when Mason got white Hot and had 3 SO's in a row, two in the 3 games here).
    Breakdown: 12 A wins, 4 B wins, 1 C win
    Note: Columbus DID lose the "D" game if you had the sack to play it. 
     
    That makes Total record at All-Star Break 71-1.
     
    Since the All-Star Break: LA lost "A" game of Away Fade @ Mon on 1/31 and Det won "A" game of Home Play on 2/2.
     
    2-0 since break.
     
    Hold on though. I did back-test this taking results from 06-07 final standings. Last year this "system" would have gone 101-9. I think losing 9 C bets absolutely sucks! Especially if they come early. However, if you took the +1.5 line as a dog in the games that you could have, it tested out to a Marvelous 107-3. Completely worth the 3 losses there!!!
     
    I've noticed many people in here try to get the lowest line available which is smart. However, getting a better money line by taking the Regulation Line can cost you dearly. Last night's Detroit bet comes to mind. The key is to focus on the result, not the risk. With CRAZY numbers like this, you know you're going to win one of the 3 anyway, what's it matter what the risk is on that particular game? I was on Detroit in Regulation last night and I will no longer cut my chances of winning due to a high line. I want every edge possible to cash that first game.
     
    One last note. Since we are into the secod half, I have begun to play on against the Top and Bottom 5 of each Home and Road based on THIS SEASON'S standings.
     
    2nd Half Results so far:
     
    Home Plays = 3-0 all "A" winners
    Away Play = 1-0 "A" winner
    Away Fades = 2-0 both "B" winners
     
    the other situation has not come up yet. Now with this method the standings are fluid (meaning they change daily). Just take 10 minutes each day to see who is beginning a 3 game streak, Home or Road, then if they are a Top or Bottom 5 Home or Road record. I use ESPN site because you can click "League" to sort all teams, then click "Home" or "Away." Unortunately they don't do it by percentage, they do it by wins or losses. So I take my calc out and do a quick % check which gives a true Top or Bottom 5.
     
    This is my first post so I wanted to be thorough. I hope this helps even one person. GFL!
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    I have been following this for a bit now and feel I must chime in. I Love this stuff and reading these posts helps make ca$h. I took this original format and back-tested it throughout this season with a twist. From LAST SEASON'S final standings I wrote down the Top 5 Home teams, Top 5 Road teams, Bottom 5 Home teams and Bottom 5 Road teams. Then I put the magical (at least) 3 Home or Road games in a row stretch to the test.
     
    Top 5 Homers: Play on when beginning at least 3 game Home stand. Do the A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 18-0
    Breakdown: 8 A wins, 7 B wins, 3 C wins
     
    Top 5 Roadies: Play on when beginning at least 3 game Road stand. A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 19-0
    Breakdown: 13 A wins, 5 B wins, 1 C win
     
    Bottom 5 Homers: Fade when beginning at least 3 game Home stand. A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 17-0
    Breakdown: 8 A wins, 6 B wins, 3 C wins
     
    Bottom 5 Roadies: Fade when beginning at least 3 game Road trip. A, B, C bets. All-Star Break record = 17-1 (Columbus screwed it up when Mason got white Hot and had 3 SO's in a row, two in the 3 games here).
    Breakdown: 12 A wins, 4 B wins, 1 C win
    Note: Columbus DID lose the "D" game if you had the sack to play it. 
     
    That makes Total record at All-Star Break 71-1.
     
    Since the All-Star Break: LA lost "A" game of Away Fade @ Mon on 1/31 and Det won "A" game of Home Play on 2/2.
     
    2-0 since break.
     
    Hold on though. I did back-test this taking results from 06-07 final standings. Last year this "system" would have gone 101-9. I think losing 9 C bets absolutely sucks! Especially if they come early. However, if you took the +1.5 line as a dog in the games that you could have, it tested out to a Marvelous 107-3. Completely worth the 3 losses there!!!
     
    I've noticed many people in here try to get the lowest line available which is smart. However, getting a better money line by taking the Regulation Line can cost you dearly. Last night's Detroit bet comes to mind. The key is to focus on the result, not the risk. With CRAZY numbers like this, you know you're going to win one of the 3 anyway, what's it matter what the risk is on that particular game? I was on Detroit in Regulation last night and I will no longer cut my chances of winning due to a high line. I want every edge possible to cash that first game.
     
    One last note. Since we are into the secod half, I have begun to play on against the Top and Bottom 5 of each Home and Road based on THIS SEASON'S standings.
     
    2nd Half Results so far:
     
    Home Plays = 3-0 all "A" winners
    Away Play = 1-0 "A" winner
    Away Fades = 2-0 both "B" winners
     
    the other situation has not come up yet. Now with this method the standings are fluid (meaning they change daily). Just take 10 minutes each day to see who is beginning a 3 game streak, Home or Road, then if they are a Top or Bottom 5 Home or Road record. I use ESPN site because you can click "League" to sort all teams, then click "Home" or "Away." Unortunately they don't do it by percentage, they do it by wins or losses. So I take my calc out and do a quick % check which gives a true Top or Bottom 5.
     
    This is my first post so I wanted to be thorough. I hope this helps even one person. GFL!
     
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    LSU2thBone - Nice work with the tracking and new approach but I've got a couple of comments about the strategy and what you said about risk.

    The one important assumption you make when stating that << The key is to focus on the result, not the risk >> is that everyone has the means to front the money necessary to chase the losses during a C-game. Let's take an example:

    Bottom 5 roadies. 17 -1 record sounds great but let's talk about the record in terms of units won/loss. We have Columbus on the road starting on December 29th against the LA Kings. This is what happens with LA, Ana, and Col:

    LA has a line of -118  and they lose  so down 1.18 units
    Ana has a line of -173 and they lose so down 3.77 + 1.18 = 4.95
    Col has a line of -147 and they lose so down 8.75 + 4.95 + 1.18 = 14.88

    So, that record is 17 - 1 but you only have 2.12 units to show for it ONLY if you actually had 14.88 units lying around in your bankroll to front the money during the chase.

    Just wanted to make that point clear before people see that record and get excited. Great job though with research about the variations. There definitely is a profitable angle about teams on the road as well as those at home for 3 or more consecutive games.

    Will have more later on... 
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    LSU2thBone - Nice work with the tracking and new approach but I've got a couple of comments about the strategy and what you said about risk.

    The one important assumption you make when stating that << The key is to focus on the result, not the risk >> is that everyone has the means to front the money necessary to chase the losses during a C-game. Let's take an example:

    Bottom 5 roadies. 17 -1 record sounds great but let's talk about the record in terms of units won/loss. We have Columbus on the road starting on December 29th against the LA Kings. This is what happens with LA, Ana, and Col:

    LA has a line of -118  and they lose  so down 1.18 units
    Ana has a line of -173 and they lose so down 3.77 + 1.18 = 4.95
    Col has a line of -147 and they lose so down 8.75 + 4.95 + 1.18 = 14.88

    So, that record is 17 - 1 but you only have 2.12 units to show for it ONLY if you actually had 14.88 units lying around in your bankroll to front the money during the chase.

    Just wanted to make that point clear before people see that record and get excited. Great job though with research about the variations. There definitely is a profitable angle about teams on the road as well as those at home for 3 or more consecutive games.

    Will have more later on... 
     
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    Great info LSU. I'll go through it more thoroughly tonight.

    What I'm going with tonight:

    LA (Decided to do a fade chase with OTT. We'll see how this goes. )
    VAN GM3 They are due....hopefully.

    Good luck to everyone tonight.
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    Great info LSU. I'll go through it more thoroughly tonight.

    What I'm going with tonight:

    LA (Decided to do a fade chase with OTT. We'll see how this goes. )
    VAN GM3 They are due....hopefully.

    Good luck to everyone tonight.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 7:16 PM ET #124

    LSU2thBone - I've done considerable work with chases that you'd be interested in and have got a spreadsheet that isolates whether a team is going on a 3 or more game road trip and the same for home stands.

    Anyone can download it right HERE.

    Just clear all extra information not needed which is my work but all the team's schedules are there and you can know exactly what is going on based on the color labels. Also included is the traveling distance and rest days between games.

    Enjoy.
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    LSU2thBone - I've done considerable work with chases that you'd be interested in and have got a spreadsheet that isolates whether a team is going on a 3 or more game road trip and the same for home stands.

    Anyone can download it right HERE.

    Just clear all extra information not needed which is my work but all the team's schedules are there and you can know exactly what is going on based on the color labels. Also included is the traveling distance and rest days between games.

    Enjoy.
     
     
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    Shit, forgot to mention that each team has a separate tab on the bottom part of the spreadsheet.

    But, since I'm posting again, I'll wish GL to anyone chasing with the Vancouver Canucks cause it's not gonna be easy to watch that game .
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    Shit, forgot to mention that each team has a separate tab on the bottom part of the spreadsheet.

    But, since I'm posting again, I'll wish GL to anyone chasing with the Vancouver Canucks cause it's not gonna be easy to watch that game .
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