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    VGPOP
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 6:09 PM ET #551

    After this week is completed, I will compile all stats for ALL 120 Div-A teams ONLY.

    I will exclude ALL games played against DIV-AA for each team.

    This is the only reason I don't like system for college football. It produces "false" results because statfox counts all games played.

    A team could average 400 yards on offense and score 33.0 ppg (12.12 YPPT), but when you removed games played against AA teams, that comes to 325 yards on offense and 24.5 ppg (13.3 YPPT)

    Div-A team usually blow out AA teams, and completely skew their stats, and that's what I will avoid here.

    I can have a formula in Excel that if a team has faced a team that is not one of 120 Div-A teams, DO NOT COUNT the stats, and leave it a blank. (It's like the game never happened).

    Next weekend, we should have a better reading on college teams and is something worth looking.

    You still need to handicap the game!

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    After this week is completed, I will compile all stats for ALL 120 Div-A teams ONLY.

    I will exclude ALL games played against DIV-AA for each team.

    This is the only reason I don't like system for college football. It produces "false" results because statfox counts all games played.

    A team could average 400 yards on offense and score 33.0 ppg (12.12 YPPT), but when you removed games played against AA teams, that comes to 325 yards on offense and 24.5 ppg (13.3 YPPT)

    Div-A team usually blow out AA teams, and completely skew their stats, and that's what I will avoid here.

    I can have a formula in Excel that if a team has faced a team that is not one of 120 Div-A teams, DO NOT COUNT the stats, and leave it a blank. (It's like the game never happened).

    Next weekend, we should have a better reading on college teams and is something worth looking.

    You still need to handicap the game!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 6:39 PM ET #552

    Pops...you really are a TEAM player.  I have been reading and then reading some more between all of you guys.  IT'S AWESOME.  Keep up the good work!   

    We need guys like you guys!

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    Pops...you really are a TEAM player.  I have been reading and then reading some more between all of you guys.  IT'S AWESOME.  Keep up the good work!   

    We need guys like you guys!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 6:41 PM ET #553

    The score for Utah and Air Force
    16-16




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    The score for Utah and Air Force
    16-16




     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 6:54 PM ET #555

    Quote Originally Posted by hard8:

    The score for Utah and Air Force
    16-16




     

    lol....And we have our first perfect prediction of the system. It needed overtime, just like the system said. Air Force already covers +9.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by hard8:

    The score for Utah and Air Force
    16-16




     

    lol....And we have our first perfect prediction of the system. It needed overtime, just like the system said. Air Force already covers +9.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 8:49 PM ET #556

    Thanks for everything here...

    Looking at in a straight up pool...

    according to this system...selections would be S.F..Arizona...Minn...Atl...Chicago...Buffalo..

     

    Any input would be appreciated

     

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    Thanks for everything here...

    Looking at in a straight up pool...

    according to this system...selections would be S.F..Arizona...Minn...Atl...Chicago...Buffalo..

     

    Any input would be appreciated

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 10:03 PM ET #558

    Where the Hell are tomorrowspicks?
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 10:14 PM ET #559

    Hey POP.....does this system not account for  TO (+/-) or am i missing something in the calculations?
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    Hey POP.....does this system not account for  TO (+/-) or am i missing something in the calculations?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 10:17 PM ET #560

    Quote Originally Posted by OpenFieldAhead:

    Hey POP.....does this system not account for  TO (+/-) or am i missing something in the calculations?

     

    Home Field??

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpenFieldAhead:

    Hey POP.....does this system not account for  TO (+/-) or am i missing something in the calculations?

     

    Home Field??

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 11:36 PM ET #561

    Quote Originally Posted by VGPOP:

    For record keeping, these are the plays that differ at least +/-7 points from vegas line. (Sides only) (these are vegasinsider.com latest line at the time of this writing 1:00pm ET)

    • Indiana +4.5
    • Connecticut +8.5 
    • Duke -4
    • Clemson +4.5
    • Northern Illinois -10.5
    • Penn State -4
    • Oklahoma -8
    • Texas -13
    • Navy +2.5
    • Air Force +9
    • Idaho +15.5
    • Washington State +35.5
    • Temple +2.5
    • Iowa +2
    • Fresno State -24
    • UNLV -1
    • Arizona State +7
    • North Texas +20.5
    • Western Kentucky +17
    Let's see how these plays do today.




    With Fresno State -24 and Arizona State +7 pending, record stands at:

    12 wins - 4 losses - 1 Push (75.0%)


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    Quote Originally Posted by VGPOP:

    For record keeping, these are the plays that differ at least +/-7 points from vegas line. (Sides only) (these are vegasinsider.com latest line at the time of this writing 1:00pm ET)

    • Indiana +4.5
    • Connecticut +8.5 
    • Duke -4
    • Clemson +4.5
    • Northern Illinois -10.5
    • Penn State -4
    • Oklahoma -8
    • Texas -13
    • Navy +2.5
    • Air Force +9
    • Idaho +15.5
    • Washington State +35.5
    • Temple +2.5
    • Iowa +2
    • Fresno State -24
    • UNLV -1
    • Arizona State +7
    • North Texas +20.5
    • Western Kentucky +17
    Let's see how these plays do today.




    With Fresno State -24 and Arizona State +7 pending, record stands at:

    12 wins - 4 losses - 1 Push (75.0%)


     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 11:46 PM ET #562

    nice
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    nice
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 11:56 PM ET #563

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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 12:27 AM ET #564

    very nice!!!!!!!!!

    VG, can you get the numbers up for NFL games tomorrow?
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    very nice!!!!!!!!!

    VG, can you get the numbers up for NFL games tomorrow?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 12:39 AM ET #565

    Quote Originally Posted by VGPOP:



    The most accurate way, IMO, to calculate YPPT (Yards per point) is to calculate how teams gain yards vs TRUE scoring (and I mean, exclude interceptions return for TD, punt return for TD, block FG/Punt return for TD, kickoff return for TD, safeties, fumble return for TD)

    Any scoring that is NOT when a team starts a drive to try to score.

    For example,

    In the game with Eagles at Panthers in Week 1, final score was Eagles 38 - Panthers 10.

    Eagles gained a total of only 287 yards (185 passing + 102 rushing), yet it scored 38 points for an astonishing 7.55 YPPT.

    That's not the true scoring, anyway.

    Eagles scored 14 points off Carolina turnovers (and I don't mean, Carolina turned the ball over, and Eagles started to drive to endzone).

    They scored with:

    - Fumble return for TD
    - Punt Return for TD 

    So, their TRUE YPPT is 287 yards / 24 points = 11.96 YPPT

    But this system looks really good.

    Keep up the good work.


    I use this same system (got from a book in '83 or '84 using the USFL) along with another system based on the all the teams strength of schedule along with my ratings that I adjust weekly. 

    I saw the same flaw you mention.  So, if my strength of schedule system show 20-17 and the YPPT system shows, for example 31-14, I know that team won with turnovers, kick returns, etc. and maybe the other team lost because of them. That's why I went with Oakland over Philadelphia 2 weeks ago.  That's my Rule 13 play.  Hits about 65%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VGPOP:



    The most accurate way, IMO, to calculate YPPT (Yards per point) is to calculate how teams gain yards vs TRUE scoring (and I mean, exclude interceptions return for TD, punt return for TD, block FG/Punt return for TD, kickoff return for TD, safeties, fumble return for TD)

    Any scoring that is NOT when a team starts a drive to try to score.

    For example,

    In the game with Eagles at Panthers in Week 1, final score was Eagles 38 - Panthers 10.

    Eagles gained a total of only 287 yards (185 passing + 102 rushing), yet it scored 38 points for an astonishing 7.55 YPPT.

    That's not the true scoring, anyway.

    Eagles scored 14 points off Carolina turnovers (and I don't mean, Carolina turned the ball over, and Eagles started to drive to endzone).

    They scored with:

    - Fumble return for TD
    - Punt Return for TD 

    So, their TRUE YPPT is 287 yards / 24 points = 11.96 YPPT

    But this system looks really good.

    Keep up the good work.


    I use this same system (got from a book in '83 or '84 using the USFL) along with another system based on the all the teams strength of schedule along with my ratings that I adjust weekly. 

    I saw the same flaw you mention.  So, if my strength of schedule system show 20-17 and the YPPT system shows, for example 31-14, I know that team won with turnovers, kick returns, etc. and maybe the other team lost because of them. That's why I went with Oakland over Philadelphia 2 weeks ago.  That's my Rule 13 play.  Hits about 65%.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 12:56 AM ET #566

    rough 32 where are your  piks  for this weeks  ?
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    rough 32 where are your  piks  for this weeks  ?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 1:01 AM ET #567

    Rough and VG...you guys are going to make a lot of BOOKS unhappy.  Thanks for the information and keep up the good work. 
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    Rough and VG...you guys are going to make a lot of BOOKS unhappy.  Thanks for the information and keep up the good work. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 1:08 AM ET #568

    wow

    cheers guys

    love the NE number!

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    wow

    cheers guys

    love the NE number!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 1:27 AM ET #569

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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 1:28 AM ET #570

    How do you figure for an upset like TTech?
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 1:45 AM ET #571

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaganoosh:

    How do you figure for an upset like TTech?


    its gambling any way you look at it.  no system is going to be perfect.  following a system like this its probably better to just play every play the same amount of $$$ and hope to cash in each week unless a play here matches one you really love.  ANYTHING can happen....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaganoosh:

    How do you figure for an upset like TTech?


    its gambling any way you look at it.  no system is going to be perfect.  following a system like this its probably better to just play every play the same amount of $$$ and hope to cash in each week unless a play here matches one you really love.  ANYTHING can happen....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 1:54 AM ET #572

    great job VG"!  if u disregard the "added games "(0-2) on the schedule ur record was 13-3!! faves were 5-1 and dogs were 8-2!Thanks for the plays.
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    great job VG"!  if u disregard the "added games "(0-2) on the schedule ur record was 13-3!! faves were 5-1 and dogs were 8-2!Thanks for the plays.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuicKicK:

    I use this same system (got from a book in '83 or '84 using the USFL) along with another system based on the all the teams strength of schedule along with my ratings that I adjust weekly. 

    I saw the same flaw you mention.  So, if my strength of schedule system show 20-17 and the YPPT system shows, for example 31-14, I know that team won with turnovers, kick returns, etc. and maybe the other team lost because of them. That's why I went with Oakland over Philadelphia 2 weeks ago.  That's my Rule 13 play.  Hits about 65%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuicKicK:

    I use this same system (got from a book in '83 or '84 using the USFL) along with another system based on the all the teams strength of schedule along with my ratings that I adjust weekly. 

    I saw the same flaw you mention.  So, if my strength of schedule system show 20-17 and the YPPT system shows, for example 31-14, I know that team won with turnovers, kick returns, etc. and maybe the other team lost because of them. That's why I went with Oakland over Philadelphia 2 weeks ago.  That's my Rule 13 play.  Hits about 65%.

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    Two things in today's games.

    First, Cincinnati -16 and Oregon State +21 became plays with difference of +/- 7 points, and both were winners! (System predicted Cincinnati by 23 points, and USC by 14 points)

    The official record for this week's college games:

    15 wins - 5 losses - 1 tie (75.0%)




    Second, I counted all games (sides only), and the plays were:

    26 wins - 24 losses - 1 Tie

    That means plays that differ by 6.5 points or less from Vegas line were:

    11 wins - 19 losses (36.7%)

    You see how important is to get plays that differ by at least a touchdown from vegas line to even consider it to play it.
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    Two things in today's games.

    First, Cincinnati -16 and Oregon State +21 became plays with difference of +/- 7 points, and both were winners! (System predicted Cincinnati by 23 points, and USC by 14 points)

    The official record for this week's college games:

    15 wins - 5 losses - 1 tie (75.0%)




    Second, I counted all games (sides only), and the plays were:

    26 wins - 24 losses - 1 Tie

    That means plays that differ by 6.5 points or less from Vegas line were:

    11 wins - 19 losses (36.7%)

    You see how important is to get plays that differ by at least a touchdown from vegas line to even consider it to play it.
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