I have not been able to determine how S_N picks games for the RRL.
s_N caps the games using Sabermetrics, the Dog Eff is only a tool he uses for added insight into his final selections. He is not using strictly 'system' plays. Well he is but they are exclusive s_N system plays!
He is trying to point out the value in RRL as well as the need to add a 'cap' to selections to increase 'edge'
I hope I'm on point s_N but that's how I interpret the RRL Dog Eff.
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
I have not been able to determine how S_N picks games for the RRL.
s_N caps the games using Sabermetrics, the Dog Eff is only a tool he uses for added insight into his final selections. He is not using strictly 'system' plays. Well he is but they are exclusive s_N system plays!
He is trying to point out the value in RRL as well as the need to add a 'cap' to selections to increase 'edge'
I hope I'm on point s_N but that's how I interpret the RRL Dog Eff.
Degen, he's right. The Sagarin ratings on the spreadsheet are not correct. I looked at the updated link for NL pitchers and it's a bit different then the spreadsheet (after I ran the update).
you can copy and paste sagarin ratings from here https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6rV7YKutHhYQ1ZjaG0tWWNaTTA/edit?usp=sharing
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Degen, he's right. The Sagarin ratings on the spreadsheet are not correct. I looked at the updated link for NL pitchers and it's a bit different then the spreadsheet (after I ran the update).
so what would be plays as of now? Last two columns have numbers on top and bottom. Which numbers do we use.
Here is how you use the last two columns. Let's take the first game listed, Mets/Cards. Mets are the dog so you look at the AS DOG column and we see -59, for Cards we look at AS FAV column and we see 13. Since the dog is negative and fave pos, this is a no play. We want the dog to be a positive number and the fave to be a negative number. There are no plays for the DOG EFF SCORE system today so I can't show you an example for a play.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Quote Originally Posted by djknoell:
so what would be plays as of now? Last two columns have numbers on top and bottom. Which numbers do we use.
Here is how you use the last two columns. Let's take the first game listed, Mets/Cards. Mets are the dog so you look at the AS DOG column and we see -59, for Cards we look at AS FAV column and we see 13. Since the dog is negative and fave pos, this is a no play. We want the dog to be a positive number and the fave to be a negative number. There are no plays for the DOG EFF SCORE system today so I can't show you an example for a play.
Here is how you use the last two columns. Let's take the first game listed, Mets/Cards. Mets are the dog so you look at the AS DOG column and we see -59, for Cards we look at AS FAV column and we see 13. Since the dog is negative and fave pos, this is a no play. We want the dog to be a positive number and the fave to be a negative number. There are no plays for the DOG EFF SCORE system today so I can't show you an example for a play.
thank you got it now. Onto dog eff. Please explain
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Here is how you use the last two columns. Let's take the first game listed, Mets/Cards. Mets are the dog so you look at the AS DOG column and we see -59, for Cards we look at AS FAV column and we see 13. Since the dog is negative and fave pos, this is a no play. We want the dog to be a positive number and the fave to be a negative number. There are no plays for the DOG EFF SCORE system today so I can't show you an example for a play.
thank you got it now. Onto dog eff. Please explain
The DOG EFF SCORE system only looks at the last two columns. We are looking for a dog with a positve score playing a fave with a negative score. Looking at today's sheet Clev is a dog at +17 and Phil is a fave at -40, triggering a play (and a winner!) for today. Nothing else matters for this system except those two columns.
The DOG EFF system looks at those dogs that already qualify for a System Play as described above. The added filter is the two columns marked as Overall Dog Eff and Using Odds Dog Eff. If a qualifying system play has a score of .400 or better in BOTH columns then it is a DOG EFF system play. An example from today is Seattle, while SD would not qualify.
I hope that helps, if not, ask away.
why is Boston a play when they have .500 in overall and .000 in the using odds column. They both need to be over.400 as I understand it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Let me try and explain.
The DOG EFF SCORE system only looks at the last two columns. We are looking for a dog with a positve score playing a fave with a negative score. Looking at today's sheet Clev is a dog at +17 and Phil is a fave at -40, triggering a play (and a winner!) for today. Nothing else matters for this system except those two columns.
The DOG EFF system looks at those dogs that already qualify for a System Play as described above. The added filter is the two columns marked as Overall Dog Eff and Using Odds Dog Eff. If a qualifying system play has a score of .400 or better in BOTH columns then it is a DOG EFF system play. An example from today is Seattle, while SD would not qualify.
I hope that helps, if not, ask away.
why is Boston a play when they have .500 in overall and .000 in the using odds column. They both need to be over.400 as I understand it.
why is Boston a play when they have .500 in overall and .000 in the using odds column. They both need to be over.400 as I understand it.
I ran the older version this morning. Seems to be a glitch with the new version. The Using Odds column is using the data from Opening line, not current line. Using the current line of 127, Boston would be .667 in that column. Since we can only bet current lines not opening lines, we should be using that info for the Using Odds column.
That is why you are seeing SF as a play because they opened as a dog.
Seattle also is not a play under current odds.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Quote Originally Posted by djknoell:
why is Boston a play when they have .500 in overall and .000 in the using odds column. They both need to be over.400 as I understand it.
I ran the older version this morning. Seems to be a glitch with the new version. The Using Odds column is using the data from Opening line, not current line. Using the current line of 127, Boston would be .667 in that column. Since we can only bet current lines not opening lines, we should be using that info for the Using Odds column.
That is why you are seeing SF as a play because they opened as a dog.
s_N caps the games using Sabermetrics, the Dog Eff is only a tool he uses for added insight into his final selections. He is not using strictly 'system' plays. Well he is but they are exclusive s_N system plays!
He is trying to point out the value in RRL as well as the need to add a 'cap' to selections to increase 'edge'
I hope I'm on point s_N but that's how I interpret the RRL Dog Eff.
oil, your interpretation of the Dog EFF/RRL is "on point" and razor sharp, good post. you opened the door...
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Quote Originally Posted by oilcountry99:
s_N caps the games using Sabermetrics, the Dog Eff is only a tool he uses for added insight into his final selections. He is not using strictly 'system' plays. Well he is but they are exclusive s_N system plays!
He is trying to point out the value in RRL as well as the need to add a 'cap' to selections to increase 'edge'
I hope I'm on point s_N but that's how I interpret the RRL Dog Eff.
oil, your interpretation of the Dog EFF/RRL is "on point" and razor sharp, good post. you opened the door...
[Quote: Originally Posted by sports_Network] oil, your interpretation of the Dog EFF/RRL is "on point" and razor sharp, good post. you opened the door... [/Quote RRl plays today-SF,Bos,is this correct?
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[Quote: Originally Posted by sports_Network] oil, your interpretation of the Dog EFF/RRL is "on point" and razor sharp, good post. you opened the door... [/Quote RRl plays today-SF,Bos,is this correct?
The Colorado game is one I'll keep an eye on and refresh later to check odds. If they move from positive or even to - odds I'll remove them as a play.
FYI - V10 spreadsheet has SF as a System Play and DOG EFF play - however - that's because they opened as a DOG and currently are a FAV - if you can't get them as a DOG - I wouldn't play it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Thursday 5/16 system plays:
Dog EFF Score
YTD 10-10, +2.34 units
No plays
Dog EFF
YTD 30-24, +25.88 units
All 2 units
Boston 127
System Plays
YTD 104-104, +25.29 units
Boston 127
Mil 134
ChiSox 124
Colo 101
Det/Tex Under 7.5 -110
The Colorado game is one I'll keep an eye on and refresh later to check odds. If they move from positive or even to - odds I'll remove them as a play.
FYI - V10 spreadsheet has SF as a System Play and DOG EFF play - however - that's because they opened as a DOG and currently are a FAV - if you can't get them as a DOG - I wouldn't play it.
FYI - V10 spreadsheet has SF as a System Play and DOG EFF play - however - that's because they opened as a DOG and currently are a FAV - if you can't get them as a DOG - I wouldn't play it.
Any way to change this so the spreadsheet will only mark teams that qualify under Current odds as plays? Opening odds are good for a reference but have no determination on if it's a play.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:
FYI - V10 spreadsheet has SF as a System Play and DOG EFF play - however - that's because they opened as a DOG and currently are a FAV - if you can't get them as a DOG - I wouldn't play it.
Any way to change this so the spreadsheet will only mark teams that qualify under Current odds as plays? Opening odds are good for a reference but have no determination on if it's a play.
Any way to change this so the spreadsheet will only mark teams that qualify under Current odds as plays? Opening odds are good for a reference but have no determination on if it's a play.
Yup - very easy to do - i'll fix it now
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Any way to change this so the spreadsheet will only mark teams that qualify under Current odds as plays? Opening odds are good for a reference but have no determination on if it's a play.
oil, your interpretation of the Dog EFF/RRL is "on point" and razor sharp, good post. you opened the door... [/Quote RRl plays today-SF,Bos,is this correct?
DJK, s_N can correct me if needed but this is what I was getting at in post 278. I don't believe we have the means to determine RRL plays as this is a proprietary system of s_N's. That is why we only see the RRL's after the fact and why they are only posted by s_N.
Degen, you are a spreadsheet wizard.
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Quote Originally Posted by djknoell:
Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:
oil, your interpretation of the Dog EFF/RRL is "on point" and razor sharp, good post. you opened the door... [/Quote RRl plays today-SF,Bos,is this correct?
DJK, s_N can correct me if needed but this is what I was getting at in post 278. I don't believe we have the means to determine RRL plays as this is a proprietary system of s_N's. That is why we only see the RRL's after the fact and why they are only posted by s_N.
Fixed it V10 - same link - it determines plays off of the "CURRENT" odds but i do have the opening odds on the sheet as well.
The Current Odds are the VI Consensus odds from Vegas Insider - but i can easily change it to LVH, MGM, William Hill, Wynn LV, Ceasars / harrah's/ Rio, or Stations
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
You are the man!
Thanks - DR
Fixed it V10 - same link - it determines plays off of the "CURRENT" odds but i do have the opening odds on the sheet as well.
The Current Odds are the VI Consensus odds from Vegas Insider - but i can easily change it to LVH, MGM, William Hill, Wynn LV, Ceasars / harrah's/ Rio, or Stations
Fixed it V10 - same link - it determines plays off of the "CURRENT" odds but i do have the opening odds on the sheet as well.
The Current Odds are the VI Consensus odds from Vegas Insider - but i can easily change it to LVH, MGM, William Hill, Wynn LV, Ceasars / harrah's/ Rio, or Stations
Seems like the Consensus number is often quite different than what you can get at Stations or William Hill. If I had my choice I'd pick Stations because that's where I bet (I'm selfish like that), but using any I think is fine versus Consensus. Too bad Cantor is not available. Or is it?
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:
Thanks - DR
Fixed it V10 - same link - it determines plays off of the "CURRENT" odds but i do have the opening odds on the sheet as well.
The Current Odds are the VI Consensus odds from Vegas Insider - but i can easily change it to LVH, MGM, William Hill, Wynn LV, Ceasars / harrah's/ Rio, or Stations
Seems like the Consensus number is often quite different than what you can get at Stations or William Hill. If I had my choice I'd pick Stations because that's where I bet (I'm selfish like that), but using any I think is fine versus Consensus. Too bad Cantor is not available. Or is it?
DJK, s_N can correct me if needed but this is what I was getting at in post 278. I don't believe we have the means to determine RRL plays as this is a proprietary system of s_N's. That is why we only see the RRL's after the fact and why they are only posted by s_N.
Yes you need to be corrected, your assessment is an opinion, based on not comprehending the objective of the thread. I'm tracking the Dog EFF that comes from the sheet, they are posted clearly before the fact by Danrules, not me, I unified the RRL and value, I recommend before you make another post such as this, you back track, and read this thread from the beginning, and educate your self, and don't ever mention my screen name in a thread unless it's directed to me, what does DJK have to do with s_N and the RRL, and for that matter what credentials do you carry to make a judgement statement like "I don't believe we have the means to determine the RRL plays" Hellooo! are sure your in the right thread? or just confused...these are the 'means' 20-3 all thread produced Dog EFF/RRL WINS and yes, I'm the one who post them, because I carry the credentials, have you ever capped a RRL game in your life? have you ever made a bet? are you old enough to bet? have you ever won? do you know how to manipulate sabermetrics? do you use the Base_Runs formula? or Run_Created? do you understand line movement? asian handicap odds connected to MLB wagering? all connected to the RRL I don't know who you mean in reference to "we" the administrator of this thread and the innovator I believe to be DG the publisher to be Danrules, so tell me who are you and what is your contribution other then making whim commentary that has no value. to the thread, or the objective of 'tracking' the thread....
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Quote Originally Posted by RCDirect:
DJK, s_N can correct me if needed but this is what I was getting at in post 278. I don't believe we have the means to determine RRL plays as this is a proprietary system of s_N's. That is why we only see the RRL's after the fact and why they are only posted by s_N.
Yes you need to be corrected, your assessment is an opinion, based on not comprehending the objective of the thread. I'm tracking the Dog EFF that comes from the sheet, they are posted clearly before the fact by Danrules, not me, I unified the RRL and value, I recommend before you make another post such as this, you back track, and read this thread from the beginning, and educate your self, and don't ever mention my screen name in a thread unless it's directed to me, what does DJK have to do with s_N and the RRL, and for that matter what credentials do you carry to make a judgement statement like "I don't believe we have the means to determine the RRL plays" Hellooo! are sure your in the right thread? or just confused...these are the 'means' 20-3 all thread produced Dog EFF/RRL WINS and yes, I'm the one who post them, because I carry the credentials, have you ever capped a RRL game in your life? have you ever made a bet? are you old enough to bet? have you ever won? do you know how to manipulate sabermetrics? do you use the Base_Runs formula? or Run_Created? do you understand line movement? asian handicap odds connected to MLB wagering? all connected to the RRL I don't know who you mean in reference to "we" the administrator of this thread and the innovator I believe to be DG the publisher to be Danrules, so tell me who are you and what is your contribution other then making whim commentary that has no value. to the thread, or the objective of 'tracking' the thread....
Yes you need to be corrected, your assessment is an opinion, based on not comprehending the objective of the thread. I'm tracking the Dog EFF that comes from the sheet, they are posted clearly before the fact by Danrules, not me, I unified the RRL and value, I recommend before you make another post such as this, you back track, and read this thread from the beginning, and educate your self, and don't ever mention my screen name in a thread unless it's directed to me, what does DJK have to do with s_N and the RRL, and for that matter what credentials do you carry to make a judgement statement like "I don't believe we have the means to determine the RRL plays" Hellooo! are sure your in the right thread? or just confused...these are the 'means' 20-3 all thread produced Dog EFF/RRL WINS and yes, I'm the one who post them, because I carry the credentials, have you ever capped a RRL game in your life? have you ever made a bet? are you old enough to bet? have you ever won? do you know how to manipulate sabermetrics? do you use the Base_Runs formula? or Run_Created? do you understand line movement? asian handicap odds connected to MLB wagering? all connected to the RRL I don't know who you mean in reference to "we" the administrator of this thread and the innovator I believe to be DG the publisher to be Danrules, so tell me who are you and what is your contribution other then making whim commentary that has no value. to the thread, or the objective of 'tracking' the thread....
I am hoping I didn't offend you in any way. A lot of those questions I would answer no. I am willing to learn. Was I correct with Bos & SF as RRL plays today?
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Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:
Yes you need to be corrected, your assessment is an opinion, based on not comprehending the objective of the thread. I'm tracking the Dog EFF that comes from the sheet, they are posted clearly before the fact by Danrules, not me, I unified the RRL and value, I recommend before you make another post such as this, you back track, and read this thread from the beginning, and educate your self, and don't ever mention my screen name in a thread unless it's directed to me, what does DJK have to do with s_N and the RRL, and for that matter what credentials do you carry to make a judgement statement like "I don't believe we have the means to determine the RRL plays" Hellooo! are sure your in the right thread? or just confused...these are the 'means' 20-3 all thread produced Dog EFF/RRL WINS and yes, I'm the one who post them, because I carry the credentials, have you ever capped a RRL game in your life? have you ever made a bet? are you old enough to bet? have you ever won? do you know how to manipulate sabermetrics? do you use the Base_Runs formula? or Run_Created? do you understand line movement? asian handicap odds connected to MLB wagering? all connected to the RRL I don't know who you mean in reference to "we" the administrator of this thread and the innovator I believe to be DG the publisher to be Danrules, so tell me who are you and what is your contribution other then making whim commentary that has no value. to the thread, or the objective of 'tracking' the thread....
I am hoping I didn't offend you in any way. A lot of those questions I would answer no. I am willing to learn. Was I correct with Bos & SF as RRL plays today?
I am hoping I didn't offend you in any way. A lot of those questions I would answer no. I am willing to learn. Was I correct with Bos & SF as RRL plays today?
no, not at all; however, I believe your question should be directed to DG, and his RRL data thats clearly employed on the sheet, to give a % rating, if you have the sheet, and comprehend it, make the call BOS? SF? what your asking for are my RRL plays in a thread that I'm tracking, aka [posting 'picks''] I would say that would be in bad taste to the objective of the thread, and the dedication of those who contribute on a daily basis to fine tunning Dog EFF system. don't ever ask me again for plays in this thread, or any thread, unless I'm posting them in a system, on my own? in my own thread, not one I'm a contributor to. my best
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Quote Originally Posted by djknoell:
I am hoping I didn't offend you in any way. A lot of those questions I would answer no. I am willing to learn. Was I correct with Bos & SF as RRL plays today?
no, not at all; however, I believe your question should be directed to DG, and his RRL data thats clearly employed on the sheet, to give a % rating, if you have the sheet, and comprehend it, make the call BOS? SF? what your asking for are my RRL plays in a thread that I'm tracking, aka [posting 'picks''] I would say that would be in bad taste to the objective of the thread, and the dedication of those who contribute on a daily basis to fine tunning Dog EFF system. don't ever ask me again for plays in this thread, or any thread, unless I'm posting them in a system, on my own? in my own thread, not one I'm a contributor to. my best
You are the man!
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