Posted:
#326
Can anyone on this thread recommend any good books on baseball wagering. Please... I HATE my job.
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MLB Underdog Systems - Anyone want to track this for the season?
Posted:
#327
Thursday 5/16 system plays: REVISED (removed Colo as a play as they are a solid fave now
Dog EFF Score
YTD 10-10, +2.34 units
No plays
Dog EFF
YTD 30-24, +25.88 units
All 2 units
Boston 127
System Plays
YTD 104-104, +25.29 units
Boston 127
Mil 134
ChiSox 124
Det/Tex Under 7.5 -110
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Posted:
#329
Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Seems like the Consensus number is often quite different than what you can get at Stations or William Hill. If I had my choice I'd pick Stations because that's where I bet (I'm selfish like that), but using any I think is fine versus Consensus. Too bad Cantor is not available. Or is it?
DanRules - I updated the V10 - Same lInk to use Stations for current odds - since you are posting the plays and maintaining the thread - i want to make it as easy as possible for you.
Unfortunately - I don't think Vegas Insider has the Cantor Odds - I could use a different site to pull the odds - but most sites only show the favorites odds and not the DOG ML odds.
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Posted:
#331
Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Degen, quick question. On the spreadsheet we have Mil as a play under the MLB dog system. Liriano is ranked as 18 on Sagarin, so wouldn't that eliminate the play? Or is it because Liriano has so few IP that its still a play?
Degen, quick question. On the spreadsheet we have Mil as a play under the MLB dog system. Liriano is ranked as 18 on Sagarin, so wouldn't that eliminate the play? Or is it because Liriano has so few IP that its still a play?
Yeah - that's right - I only filter it out if their Sagarin Tier is "A" AND their Rank is <20 - The way the Tiers work is by innings pitched. Do you want me to change that? The system rules on vegas insider doesn't specify - it just says don't play if opposing pitcher is in top 20. But do you think we should also count pitchers that have very few innings pitched? They may have just had a few good innings. I figured we would only eliminate plays that are SOLID top 20 pitchers.
PITCHERS ARE LISTED IN THREE TIERS:
(A) at least 1.0 innings * average number of games played per team
(B) between (1/3) and 1.0 innings * average number of games played per team
(C) between 0 and (1/3) innings * average number of games played per team
But that being said - i can change it - I could always include CATEGORY B pitchers if you want.
Let me know what you want me to do.
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Posted:
#332
Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:
Yeah - that's right - I only filter it out if their Sagarin Tier is "A" AND their Rank is <20 - The way the Tiers work is by innings pitched. Do you want me to change that? The system rules on vegas insider doesn't specify - it just says don't play if opposing pitcher is in top 20. But do you think we should also count pitchers that have very few innings pitched? They may have just had a few good innings. I figured we would only eliminate plays that are SOLID top 20 pitchers.
PITCHERS ARE LISTED IN THREE TIERS:
(A) at least 1.0 innings * average number of games played per team
(B) between (1/3) and 1.0 innings * average number of games played per team
(C) between 0 and (1/3) innings * average number of games played per team
But that being said - i can change it - I could always include CATEGORY B pitchers if you want.
Let me know what you want me to do.
I agree we should keep it as true top starters in Tier A. I just wanted to confirm. Doesn't make sense to eliminate a play if a spot starter or reliever turned starter is going.
Thanks for the revised sheet with Station odds.
This has been a fun experiment so far. This thread has made me realize there is a lot of Sabermetric handicapping I must learn.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Posted:
#333
Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
This has been a fun experiment so far. This thread has made me realize there is a lot of Sabermetric handicapping I must learn.
Dabbled in Sabermetrics last year with 50-50 results, but I am working on grabbing a lot of Sabermetrics Data from Fangraphs - may be something there - maybe not - I'll share when complete.
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Posted:
#334
I know DanRules already summarized this but there is still
some confusion on what systems are being tracked in this thread – so here is my
attempt at clarification.
System Plays:
Low Scoring Underdog, Divisional Underdog, Underdogs <= 6
Hits, MLB Underdog System, and Under Bet System
These plays are based off of the systems outlined on the
following website: https://www.betfirms.com/baseball-betting-systems-underdogs/
And are displayed in columns K through R
Dog Efficiency Plays
(DOG EFF):
The DOG EFF system looks at those dogs that
already qualify for a System Play as described above. The added filter is the
two columns marked as Overall Dog Eff and Using Odds Dog Eff. If a qualifying
system play has a score of .400 or better in BOTH columns then it is a DOG EFF system play.
Dog Effective Score
(DOG EFF SCR):
The DOG EFF SCORE system only looks at the last two
columns. We look at ALL games for the day and are looking for a dog with a
positve score playing a fave with a negative score. Nothing else matters for this system except
those two columns.
RRL Effective %
(>=2 RRL)
This is just a percentage –
it looks at all the times that team WON as a DOG- it’s the % of time that the team won by 2 runs
or more – so if .500 means that of all the times this team WON as a DOG – 50%
of the time they won by 2 runs or more.
You can use this as a decision maker to DECIDE if YOU want
to bet the RRL instead of betting the ML. Personally, I consider a RRL wager if it’s
65% or higher.
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Posted:
#335
Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:
I know DanRules already summarized this but there is still some confusion on what systems are being tracked in this thread – so here is my attempt at clarification.
System Plays:
Low Scoring Underdog, Divisional Underdog, Underdogs <= 6 Hits, MLB Underdog System, and Under Bet System
These plays are based off of the systems outlined on the following website: https://www.betfirms.com/baseball-betting-systems-underdogs/
And are displayed in columns K through R
Dog Efficiency Plays (DOG EFF):
The DOG EFF system looks at those dogs that already qualify for a System Play as described above. The added filter is the two columns marked as Overall Dog Eff and Using Odds Dog Eff. If a qualifying system play has a score of .400 or better in BOTH columns then it is a DOG EFF system play.
Dog Effective Score (DOG EFF SCR):
The DOG EFF SCORE system only looks at the last two columns. We look at ALL games for the day and are looking for a dog with a positve score playing a fave with a negative score. Nothing else matters for this system except those two columns.
RRL Effective % (>=2 RRL)
This is just a percentage – it looks at all the times that team WON as a DOG- it’s the % of time that the team won by 2 runs or more – so if .500 means that of all the times this team WON as a DOG – 50% of the time they won by 2 runs or more.
You can use this as a decision maker to DECIDE if YOU want to bet the RRL instead of betting the ML. Personally, I consider a RRL wager if it’s 65% or higher.
That was much better than my attempt. 
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Posted:
#336
Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:
Yes you need to be corrected, your assessment is an opinion, based on not comprehending the objective of the thread. I'm tracking the Dog EFF that comes from the sheet, they are posted clearly before the fact by Danrules, not me, I unified the RRL and value, I recommend before you make another post such as this, you back track, and read this thread from the beginning, and educate your self, and don't ever mention my screen name in a thread unless it's directed to me, what does DJK have to do with s_N and the RRL, and for that matter what credentials do you carry to make a judgement statement like "I don't believe we have the means to determine the RRL plays" Hellooo! are sure your in the right thread? or just confused...these are the 'means' 20-3 all thread produced Dog EFF/RRL WINS and yes, I'm the one who post them, because I carry the credentials, have you ever capped a RRL game in your life? have you ever made a bet? are you old enough to bet? have you ever won? do you know how to manipulate sabermetrics? do you use the Base_Runs formula? or Run_Created? do you understand line movement? asian handicap odds connected to MLB wagering? all connected to the RRL I don't know who you mean in reference to "we" the administrator of this thread and the innovator I believe to be DG the publisher to be Danrules, so tell me who are you and what is your contribution other then making whim commentary that has no value. to the thread, or the objective of 'tracking' the thread....
Yes you need to be corrected, your assessment is an opinion, based on not comprehending the objective of the thread. I'm tracking the Dog EFF that comes from the sheet, they are posted clearly before the fact by Danrules, not me, I unified the RRL and value, I recommend before you make another post such as this, you back track, and read this thread from the beginning, and educate your self, and don't ever mention my screen name in a thread unless it's directed to me, what does DJK have to do with s_N and the RRL, and for that matter what credentials do you carry to make a judgement statement like "I don't believe we have the means to determine the RRL plays" Hellooo! are sure your in the right thread? or just confused...these are the 'means' 20-3 all thread produced Dog EFF/RRL WINS and yes, I'm the one who post them, because I carry the credentials, have you ever capped a RRL game in your life? have you ever made a bet? are you old enough to bet? have you ever won? do you know how to manipulate sabermetrics? do you use the Base_Runs formula? or Run_Created? do you understand line movement? asian handicap odds connected to MLB wagering? all connected to the RRL I don't know who you mean in reference to "we" the administrator of this thread and the innovator I believe to be DG the publisher to be Danrules, so tell me who are you and what is your contribution other then making whim commentary that has no value. to the thread, or the objective of 'tracking' the thread....
Well now Mr. sports_Network, thank you for correcting me. I thought I was being quite diplomatic but I can see that doesn't go far with you. My assessment is based on exactly what I have read and what I see on this thread posted by you.
I now realize that you possess exceptional powers that enable you determine my level of reading comprehension. Those same powers must enable you to determine those RRL plays you post daily AFTER THE FACT.
Both djknoell and I have questioned how the RRL plays are determined. You see the reason we, yes we, want that info should be quite obvious; we want to take advantage of the knowledge that exists here so we can be successful at sports wagering. Yes we want to win more money. Yet the only answer so far is that it would be in bad taste. No bad taste is when you post winning plays everyday after the fact and then suppress the information relative to how those plays were determined. That is bad taste.
Both djknoell and I have questioned how the RRL plays are determined. You see the reason we, yes we, want that info should be quite obvious; we want to take advantage of the knowledge that exists here so we can be successful at sports wagering. Yes we want to win more money. Yet the only answer so far is that it would be in bad taste. No bad taste is when you post winning plays everyday after the fact and then suppress the information relative to how those plays were determined. That is bad taste.
How would you like it if I posted my winning variations of these systems.
"Yep last night my subset eff plays went 6-0. I won big but you suckers don't have the info that I have because I know sabermetrics and asian fckin odds."
Oh we are all so impressed with your vast knowledge. "Unbelievable! I cannot believe you actually wrote that crap. Well yes I can. I've been visiting these sites since their inception and I find one common thread among so many of you. Guys use these sites to boost their ego and man do your comments fall right in line.
I read the first Baseball Abstract while your mother was still wiping your behind.
So proudly display your winning plays in the morning, after the fact of course. I look forward to seeing these once again Mr. sports_Network.
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Posted:
#337
RRL Effective %
(>=2 RRL)
This is just a percentage –
it looks at all the times that team WON as a DOG- it’s the % of time that the team won by 2 runs
or more – so if .500 means that of all the times this team WON as a DOG – 50%
of the time they won by 2 runs or more.
You can use this as a decision maker to DECIDE if YOU want
to bet the RRL instead of betting the ML. Personally, I consider a RRL wager if it’s
65% or higher.
THANK YOU Degen!
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Posted:
#338
Thursday 5/16 results
Dog EFF Score
YTD 10-10, +2.34 units
No plays
Dog EFF
1-0, +2.54 units
YTD 31-24, +28.42 units
All 2 units
Boston 127 WIN
System Plays
2-2, +.41 units
YTD 106-106, +25.70 units
Boston 127 WIN
Mil 134 Loss
ChiSox 124 WIN
Det/Tex Under 7.5 -110 Loss
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Posted:
#339
Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
Thursday 5/16 results
Dog EFF Score
YTD 10-10, +2.34 units
No plays
Dog EFF
1-0, +2.54 units
YTD 31-24, +28.42 units
All 2 units
Boston 127 WIN
System Plays
2-2, +.41 units
YTD 106-106, +25.70 units
Boston 127 WIN
Mil 134 Loss
<CHW +124 WIN | CWS +202 RRL LOSS>
Det/Tex Under 7.5 -110 Loss
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Posted:
#340
DG, Danrules24,
Yes! as you can see a 'troll' has entered the thread with clear intentions of "disruptive behaviour" to seek the recognition he so rightly does not deserve. nothing new, their transparent commentary is based soley on their inexperience to comprehend the thread (which clearly speaks for itself amongs those who are contrubuting on a daily basis, and have the understanding of the daily leans it produces, and the winning edge it has brought to dog play) I will continue to track the Dog EFF/RRL and post the results as presribed. btw don't the result come "after the fac"t, I thought so, we'll continue to pursue the attachment of the RRL connected to the production of the Dog EFF system, you reprimand a self imposed 'troll' by putting them in their place, and exposing them for what they really are; their intentions are recognized by having absolutely no contribution to the thread itself, other than making whim commentary to gain attention and create negative controversey,based on their own shortcomings, and immaturity to sports betting in general..any further commentary by RCD will simply be ignored, and subsquently sent to the trash bin; case closed..the thread is working on all cylinders, let keep it thant way..good work Danrules24,I agree this thread is fun, lets keep that way, DG have you yet to compile the data on season RRL % and the attached variables, this will give you the cut, bringing the capp into situational play, and the final step. my best
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Posted:
#342
Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:
good work, informative.
I know DanRules already summarized this but there is still some confusion on what systems are being tracked in this thread – so here is my attempt at clarification.
System Plays:
Low Scoring Underdog, Divisional Underdog, Underdogs <= 6 Hits, MLB Underdog System, and Under Bet System
These plays are based off of the systems outlined on the following website: https://www.betfirms.com/baseball-betting-systems-underdogs/
And are displayed in columns K through R
Dog Efficiency Plays (DOG EFF):
The DOG EFF system looks at those dogs that already qualify for a System Play as described above. The added filter is the two columns marked as Overall Dog Eff and Using Odds Dog Eff. If a qualifying system play has a score of .400 or better in BOTH columns then it is a DOG EFF system play.
Dog Effective Score (DOG EFF SCR):
The DOG EFF SCORE system only looks at the last two columns. We look at ALL games for the day and are looking for a dog with a positve score playing a fave with a negative score. Nothing else matters for this system except those two columns.
RRL Effective % (>=2 RRL)
This is just a percentage – it looks at all the times that team WON as a DOG- it’s the % of time that the team won by 2 runs or more – so if .500 means that of all the times this team WON as a DOG – 50% of the time they won by 2 runs or more.
You can use this as a decision maker to DECIDE if YOU want to bet the RRL instead of betting the ML. Personally, I consider a RRL wager if it’s 65% or higher.
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Posted:
#343
Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:
DG, Danrules24,
Yes! as you can see a 'troll' has entered the thread with clear intentions of "disruptive behaviour" to seek the recognition he so rightly does not deserve. nothing new, their transparent commentary is based soley on their inexperience to comprehend the thread (which clearly speaks for itself amongs those who are contrubuting on a daily basis, and have the understanding of the daily leans it produces, and the winning edge it has brought to dog play) I will continue to track the Dog EFF/RRL and post the results as presribed. btw don't the result come "after the fac"t, I thought so, we'll continue to pursue the attachment of the RRL connected to the production of the Dog EFF system, you reprimand a self imposed 'troll' by putting them in their place, and exposing them for what they really are; their intentions are recognized by having absolutely no contribution to the thread itself, other than making whim commentary to gain attention and create negative controversey,based on their own shortcomings, and immaturity to sports betting in general..any further commentary by RCD will simply be ignored, and subsquently sent to the trash bin; case closed..the thread is working on all cylinders, let keep it thant way..good work Danrules24,I agree this thread is fun, lets keep that way, DG have you yet to compile the data on season RRL % and the attached variables, this will give you the cut, bringing the capp into situational play, and the final step. my best
This isn't about trolling and it isn't whim commentary. I'll explain precisely what it is. Like many, I visit covers to advance my odds of winning sports bets. I've been following Cisco for a few years.
This year I started playing the underdog system that I read about at Vegas Insider so when I saw this thread it naturally drew my attention. This thread has taken the dog system to a much higher level. Although its been a short time, I have learned quite bit and profited from the information presented here. My thanks go out to Degen and DanRules. What they have done here is really, really impressive. I hope I can reciprocate in some way.
Here's the best part. All of this valuable info is free and anyone who visits this site can take advantage of it. Member sports_Network even posts the results everyday. He also reports the results of his own super RRL system that supposedly produces a radical number of positive units. Great huh! You see SN knows everything about sports betting and he won't hesitate to relate how much he knows and how little you know.
One thing about sn's RRL plays is that he only reports the results and not the prediction. Now just about anyone's natural inclination would be to find out how sN comes up with these money making RRL plays. After all that's why we all come here. When I tried to elicit that information I got a response of extreme egotistical BS.
So it's not about trolling its about SN posting winning plays but only after the game has been played. That's it plain and simple and as you continue to do that you will continue to evoke these responses.
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Posted:
#345
Quote Originally Posted by RCDirect:
Well put sir. I was just trying to have some fun with my hate my job post Sn,you are the one that started all the negativity. Some come here to educate themselves on wagering and trying to beat the book. That's what everyone is here for. Who cares what your RRL plays are after the fact.You are most likely trying to pump up your name and start selling your fictitious RRL plays. Good luck with that. By the way, can you point out any thread where you contributed anything. Thanx to those that do contribute to making $$ Cisco.Dgen,Danrules,Irage,ADG. Thanx guys & continued success. Sn, GO F*/K yourself.
This isn't about trolling and it isn't whim commentary. I'll explain precisely what it is. Like many, I visit covers to advance my odds of winning sports bets. I've been following Cisco for a few years.
This year I started playing the underdog system that I read about at Vegas Insider so when I saw this thread it naturally drew my attention. This thread has taken the dog system to a much higher level. Although its been a short time, I have learned quite bit and profited from the information presented here. My thanks go out to Degen and DanRules. What they have done here is really, really impressive. I hope I can reciprocate in some way.
Here's the best part. All of this valuable info is free and anyone who visits this site can take advantage of it. Member sports_Network even posts the results everyday. He also reports the results of his own super RRL system that supposedly produces a radical number of positive units. Great huh! You see SN knows everything about sports betting and he won't hesitate to relate how much he knows and how little you know.
One thing about sn's RRL plays is that he only reports the results and not the prediction. Now just about anyone's natural inclination would be to find out how sN comes up with these money making RRL plays. After all that's why we all come here. When I tried to elicit that information I got a response of extreme egotistical BS.
So it's not about trolling its about SN posting winning plays but only after the game has been played. That's it plain and simple and as you continue to do that you will continue to evoke these responses.
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Posted:
#346
Quote Originally Posted by djknoell:
Well put sir. I was just trying to have some fun with my hate my job post Sn,you are the one that started all the negativity. Some come here to educate themselves on wagering and trying to beat the book. That's what everyone is here for. Who cares what your RRL plays are after the fact.You are most likely trying to pump up your name and start selling your fictitious RRL plays. Good luck with that. By the way, can you point out any thread where you contributed anything. Thanx to those that do contribute to making $$ Cisco.Dgen,Danrules,Irage,ADG. Thanx guys & continued success. Sn, GO F*/K yourself.
Well put sir. I was just trying to have some fun with my hate my job post Sn,you are the one that started all the negativity. Some come here to educate themselves on wagering and trying to beat the book. That's what everyone is here for. Who cares what your RRL plays are after the fact.You are most likely trying to pump up your name and start selling your fictitious RRL plays. Good luck with that. By the way, can you point out any thread where you contributed anything. Thanx to those that do contribute to making $$ Cisco.Dgen,Danrules,Irage,ADG. Thanx guys & continued success. Sn, GO F*/K yourself.
Just a side note. Let's try and keep this thread on topic of picking dog winners, please. This will be my last comment on the matter...
Now, I don't personally know S_N, but I can tell you guys this, I've seen his posts on picks for both football and baseball and he handicaps games in a way that hurts my head thinking about it. From what I can tell, he does so by looking at numerous data points and then carefully makes his picks. I've seen him post toward the latter parts of the season once there has been a wealth of data. His picks have been fantastic and I do not question his handicapping. If we are fortunate enough to see him post picks later in the season, I would suggest playing them using your own money management system.
As far as the RRL, I have no idea how he determines his picks. He has his methods that he has every right not to share. I believe he is posting his results to let everyone know that there is something there as far as finding value in the RRL picks. Do I wish he would post his plays prior to the games? Well of course, he has a great win rate. As mentioned, I think he is simply letting us know that there is something good here.
Using the spreadsheet Degen has come up with, there is a column on RRL which he has described in an earlier post. If a system play is .500 or better, that will be something to consider. Until I can figure out how to correctly determine how to pick RRL plays, I'm leaving it alone, not even going to speculate on the criteria used.
Ok, I'm done. Let's move on and please keep it civil.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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#348
Just my 2 cents, before you post your plays or results please make sure that you are in the correct forum.
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Posted:
#349
Friday 5/17 results:
Dog EFF Score
YTD 10-10, +2.34 units
No plays
Dog EFF
0-1, - 2 units
YTD 31-25, +26.42 units
All 2 units
Sea 145 Loss
System Plays
2-4, -2.05 units
YTD 108-110, +23.65 units
Sea 145 Loss
TB 100 WIN
Tor 145 Loss
ChiSox 105 WIN
LAD 130 Loss
SF/Colo Under 9.5 -110 Loss
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Posted:
#350
Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
DG in response to this commentary, a troll who truely has no understanding that he is one has entered the thread, and brought his side-kick with him. creating disruptive behavior, expressed vulgarity, but more importantly, has adjusted the rythym by his obsession with the RRL work done in attachment to Dog EFF that we are presently developing, as you clearly understand, it is a violation of systems & stratagies forum to merely "post picks" as you have witnessed when this issue was challenged it resulted in disrubtive-intrusion on the work being done tracking this thread; which is the objective force. based on commentary, it's clear to the troll,he has know understanding that we have worked on many projects over the past five years, are on a first name personal basis, and work away from covers on an array of handicap systems, and most important of all, we're friends, and know each other in life. this also holds true with several other posters in this thread, which of course the troll has know way of knowing all this, based solely on his commentary, and his commentary "alone" puts him at a disadvantage to understand what is happening behind the scene, (the 'cut' on the leans) the wins are produced by the sheet, the cut is made and that whats left, this isn't excepted by the troll, nor is it even remotely comprehended. continued disrubtive behavior, now every post is unrelated, and consistent vulgarity that has no relation to the work being done on this thread, RCD must be removed immediately from any further commentary or post, based on covers policy of disrubtive behavior, I asked a refferee [Lippsman] to monitor his removal, he's detrimental to Dog EFF/RRL tracking system, which is the basis of our research, having to respond to troll distraction is time consuming, but unfortunately, it cannot be ignored; it only get's worse, after reading this open memo I'm sure the embarrasment to the troll is evedent to him. making statements in regards to one's 'mother' on an open forum, doesn't sit well with covers brass (and their advertisers) Okay Danrules, it's official: case closed, your response was in relation to the realities of the thread, and where on target..their will be no further response to troll behavior, nor will thier be any further post or commentary recieved.
Just a side note. Let's try and keep this thread on topic of picking dog winners, please. This will be my last comment on the matter...
Now, I don't personally know S_N, but I can tell you guys this, I've seen his posts on picks for both football and baseball and he handicaps games in a way that hurts my head thinking about it. From what I can tell, he does so by looking at numerous data points and then carefully makes his picks. I've seen him post toward the latter parts of the season once there has been a wealth of data. His picks have been fantastic and I do not question his handicapping. If we are fortunate enough to see him post picks later in the season, I would suggest playing them using your own money management system.
As far as the RRL, I have no idea how he determines his picks. He has his methods that he has every right not to share. I believe he is posting his results to let everyone know that there is something there as far as finding value in the RRL picks. Do I wish he would post his plays prior to the games? Well of course, he has a great win rate. As mentioned, I think he is simply letting us know that there is something good here.
Using the spreadsheet Degen has come up with, there is a column on RRL which he has described in an earlier post. If a system play is .500 or better, that will be something to consider. Until I can figure out how to correctly determine how to pick RRL plays, I'm leaving it alone, not even going to speculate on the criteria used.
Ok, I'm done. Let's move on and please keep it civil.
Danrules24 a filter is being manufactured to be placed on the final cut, pushing the -1.5 handicap forward, dedicated to dog play, further in formation on this would have to be obtained through DG through PM direct, although posting picks are not permitted we can confer with DG on the cut system, to where you will have the awareness of it's application in advance to put into form, we have the system, at this point, data and a 'cut' filter has to be incorporated into the sheet; connecting the RRL lean
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