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    MLB Underdog Systems - Anyone want to track this for the season?

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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 1:10 AM ET #226

    Saturday 5/11 results

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 5-5, +1.52 units

    No plays

    Dog EFF

    1-0, +2.16 units

    YTD 22-19, +18.32 units

    Pitts 108, 2 units WIN

    System Plays

    2-3, -1.31 units

    YTD 90-95, +17.56 units

    Pitts 108 WIN

    ChiSox 100 Loss

    Minn 101 WIN

    Atl/SF Under 7 -120  Loss

    Mia/LAD Under 7 -120 Loss

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    Saturday 5/11 results

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 5-5, +1.52 units

    No plays

    Dog EFF

    1-0, +2.16 units

    YTD 22-19, +18.32 units

    Pitts 108, 2 units WIN

    System Plays

    2-3, -1.31 units

    YTD 90-95, +17.56 units

    Pitts 108 WIN

    ChiSox 100 Loss

    Minn 101 WIN

    Atl/SF Under 7 -120  Loss

    Mia/LAD Under 7 -120 Loss

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 5:25 AM ET #227

    Yesterday's Dog EFF/RRL results: [filtered handicap]*

    <Pittsburgh Pirates +188 RRL  WIN  vs NY Mets>  (5/12/13)

     

    *10-0  100%  ROI: +43.72units

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    Yesterday's Dog EFF/RRL results: [filtered handicap]*

    <Pittsburgh Pirates +188 RRL  WIN  vs NY Mets>  (5/12/13)

     

    *10-0  100%  ROI: +43.72units

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 5:57 AM ET #228

    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Saturday 5/11 results

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 5-5, +1.52 units 

    No plays

    Dog EFF

    1-0, +2.16 units

    YTD 22-19, +18.32 units  [53.65% WIN ratio]

    Pitts 108, 2 units WIN  [RRL WIN]

    System Plays

    YTD: well done! (thread produced Dog EFF units>18.32/54%]

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Saturday 5/11 results

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 5-5, +1.52 units 

    No plays

    Dog EFF

    1-0, +2.16 units

    YTD 22-19, +18.32 units  [53.65% WIN ratio]

    Pitts 108, 2 units WIN  [RRL WIN]

    System Plays

    YTD: well done! (thread produced Dog EFF units>18.32/54%]

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 6:42 AM ET #229

    FYI: Saturday's (5/11/13) additional RRL results: [handicapped]

    Philadelphia Phillies [-1.5] +176 RRL  WIN

    Chicago Cubs [-1.5] +265 RRL  WIN

    NY Yankeees [-1.5] +236 RRL  WIN

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    FYI: Saturday's (5/11/13) additional RRL results: [handicapped]

    Philadelphia Phillies [-1.5] +176 RRL  WIN

    Chicago Cubs [-1.5] +265 RRL  WIN

    NY Yankeees [-1.5] +236 RRL  WIN

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 6:53 AM ET #230

    Quote Originally Posted by oilcountry99:

    Wow, superb stuff here guys. Seems like you've got it dialed in with RRL DOG EFF.

    There is a great group of combined minds here producing an incredible product.

    This type of effort is what the covers community is all about in my eyes. There is a lack of quality products in general but this thread breeds involvement and collaboration to achieve a goal. This has been proven right here in real time. The process of initiation through a great spreadsheet and continuing to work at filtering and tracking and refining!

    Kudos to all involved here, and continued success. Keep it positive and continue to grind it out win or lose, it's worth it to the overall learning experience.

     
    "well said" -OilCountry99- your participation is overwhelmingly accepted- my best
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    Quote Originally Posted by oilcountry99:

    Wow, superb stuff here guys. Seems like you've got it dialed in with RRL DOG EFF.

    There is a great group of combined minds here producing an incredible product.

    This type of effort is what the covers community is all about in my eyes. There is a lack of quality products in general but this thread breeds involvement and collaboration to achieve a goal. This has been proven right here in real time. The process of initiation through a great spreadsheet and continuing to work at filtering and tracking and refining!

    Kudos to all involved here, and continued success. Keep it positive and continue to grind it out win or lose, it's worth it to the overall learning experience.

     
    "well said" -OilCountry99- your participation is overwhelmingly accepted- my best
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 7:17 AM ET #231

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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 12:52 PM ET #232

    Sunday 5/12 system plays

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 5-5, +1.52 units

    NYY 110

    Dog EFF

    YTD 22-19, +18.32 units

    Clev 130, 2 units

    NYY 110, 2 units

    SF 100, 2 units

    Philly 114, 2 units

    System Plays

    YTD 90-95, +17.56 units

    Clev 130

    NYY 110

    SF 100

    Philly 114

    Tor 182

    Cubs 151

    NYY/KC Under 7.5 -120

     

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    Sunday 5/12 system plays

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 5-5, +1.52 units

    NYY 110

    Dog EFF

    YTD 22-19, +18.32 units

    Clev 130, 2 units

    NYY 110, 2 units

    SF 100, 2 units

    Philly 114, 2 units

    System Plays

    YTD 90-95, +17.56 units

    Clev 130

    NYY 110

    SF 100

    Philly 114

    Tor 182

    Cubs 151

    NYY/KC Under 7.5 -120

     

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 1:36 PM ET #233

    Pitts and LAA not a system plays?
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 1:42 PM ET #234

    Quote Originally Posted by RommiRommi:

    Pitts and LAA not a system plays?

    No. Both are going up against a top 20 rated pitcher in Sagarin ratings so that elimintaes them from the MLB dog system. They did not qualify under any other systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RommiRommi:

    Pitts and LAA not a system plays?

    No. Both are going up against a top 20 rated pitcher in Sagarin ratings so that elimintaes them from the MLB dog system. They did not qualify under any other systems.

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 3:31 PM ET #235

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    The San Fransisco Giants -110 ML are the favorites vs Atlanta Braves, and therefore do not qualify as a Dog EFF system play;

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    The San Fransisco Giants -110 ML are the favorites vs Atlanta Braves, and therefore do not qualify as a Dog EFF system play;

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 3:36 PM ET #236

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    Danrules24

    The San Fransisco Giants -110 ML are the favorites vs Atlanta Braves, and therefore do not qualify as a Dog EFF system play;

    When I ran the spreadsheet and actually placed my bets, I had SF at Even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    Danrules24

    The San Fransisco Giants -110 ML are the favorites vs Atlanta Braves, and therefore do not qualify as a Dog EFF system play;

    When I ran the spreadsheet and actually placed my bets, I had SF at Even.

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 3:39 PM ET #237

    just moved dramatically> SF Giants -117 ML a clear favorite,

    also, Minn & Balt are EVEN up at -104 ML 

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    just moved dramatically> SF Giants -117 ML a clear favorite,

    also, Minn & Balt are EVEN up at -104 ML 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    When I ran the spreadsheet and actually placed my bets, I had SF at Even.

    your correct, unfortunately they where even 6 hour ago, and the 'dog' so what happens now? do you play a -117 ML favorite as a Dog EFF? or is that play scratched?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    When I ran the spreadsheet and actually placed my bets, I had SF at Even.

    your correct, unfortunately they where even 6 hour ago, and the 'dog' so what happens now? do you play a -117 ML favorite as a Dog EFF? or is that play scratched?
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 3:48 PM ET #239

    please take note

    the game is in progress, Baltimore is leading 5-0 after 6 innings of play.....

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    please take note

    the game is in progress, Baltimore is leading 5-0 after 6 innings of play.....

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 3:51 PM ET #240

    For tracking purposes I'm using my posted plays as official plays. I run the spreadsheet once and place all my personal bets at one time using this info. I usually do not track line movement. If a line changes and moves into or out of the system, that is something I'm not going to be able to track.

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    For tracking purposes I'm using my posted plays as official plays. I run the spreadsheet once and place all my personal bets at one time using this info. I usually do not track line movement. If a line changes and moves into or out of the system, that is something I'm not going to be able to track.

     
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    understood, and "well done" on your part-
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    your correct, unfortunately they where even 6 hour ago, and the 'dog' so what happens now? do you play a -117 ML favorite as a Dog EFF? or is that play scratched?

    I like the way DanRules is currently formulating the official plays.  He runs the spreadsheet in the morning and whichever DOGS qualify as a play at that time - he makes it an official play.

    Now that DOG could later become a favorite later in the day - but from my understanding (I could be totally wrong here) - but most sharps like to jump on the DOGS early to lock in their value - when they do this the line can typically move - it may move to the point where that DOG moves to a favorite. 

    My 2 cents - is I hate paying juice - if you didn't lock in the value earlier in the day and now your would be paying juice - I would scratch the play personally.  So all that means is you should try to lock in your dog plays early.

    This will also help you avoid situations where a team opens as a FAV and goes to a DOG - again - could be wrong here - but IF that is sharp money coming in on the other side forcing that team from a FAV to the DOG - you don't want that play anyway - as you are on the wrong side of the sharps.  Now there is more to it when it comes to line reading - you want to fade to PUBLIC money and follow the SHARP money - but this system does not deal with line movement in terms of play adjustment - but in a way DanRules is accounting for it by jumping on the DOGS early and locking in value.

    Just my 2 cents - I could be totally wrong here - but that is the purpose of this thread - free idea exchange to help develop this DOG betting method.

    BTW - the system killed it today if i'm not mistaken 100% WIN RECORD - like I said Friday when 11-15 favorites covered.  The DOGS will come a barking soon - that day was today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    your correct, unfortunately they where even 6 hour ago, and the 'dog' so what happens now? do you play a -117 ML favorite as a Dog EFF? or is that play scratched?

    I like the way DanRules is currently formulating the official plays.  He runs the spreadsheet in the morning and whichever DOGS qualify as a play at that time - he makes it an official play.

    Now that DOG could later become a favorite later in the day - but from my understanding (I could be totally wrong here) - but most sharps like to jump on the DOGS early to lock in their value - when they do this the line can typically move - it may move to the point where that DOG moves to a favorite. 

    My 2 cents - is I hate paying juice - if you didn't lock in the value earlier in the day and now your would be paying juice - I would scratch the play personally.  So all that means is you should try to lock in your dog plays early.

    This will also help you avoid situations where a team opens as a FAV and goes to a DOG - again - could be wrong here - but IF that is sharp money coming in on the other side forcing that team from a FAV to the DOG - you don't want that play anyway - as you are on the wrong side of the sharps.  Now there is more to it when it comes to line reading - you want to fade to PUBLIC money and follow the SHARP money - but this system does not deal with line movement in terms of play adjustment - but in a way DanRules is accounting for it by jumping on the DOGS early and locking in value.

    Just my 2 cents - I could be totally wrong here - but that is the purpose of this thread - free idea exchange to help develop this DOG betting method.

    BTW - the system killed it today if i'm not mistaken 100% WIN RECORD - like I said Friday when 11-15 favorites covered.  The DOGS will come a barking soon - that day was today!

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 8:21 PM ET #243

    Degen and SN - I just try to post as early as I can before the first game of the day and then I don't look at line movement at all. I can see if someone wanted to run the update numerous times to be as accurate as possible.

    To Degen's point, if we can bet on a dog early and it turns to a fave, even better. We get good odds on a team that the big betters turned to a fave.

    Question for SN - Does the Cantor online app allow for RRL betting? I tend to bet online at Station rather than run to the book every day.

    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    Degen and SN - I just try to post as early as I can before the first game of the day and then I don't look at line movement at all. I can see if someone wanted to run the update numerous times to be as accurate as possible.

    To Degen's point, if we can bet on a dog early and it turns to a fave, even better. We get good odds on a team that the big betters turned to a fave.

    Question for SN - Does the Cantor online app allow for RRL betting? I tend to bet online at Station rather than run to the book every day.

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 8:29 PM ET #244

    Sunday 5/12 results

    Dog EFF Score

    1-0, +1.1 units

    YTD 6-5, +2.62 units

    NYY 110 WIN

    Dog EFF

    4-0, +9.08 units

    YTD 26-19, +27.40 units

    Clev 130, 2 units WIN

    NYY 110, 2 units WIN

    SF 100, 2 units WIN

    Philly 114, 2 units WIN

    System Plays

    7-0, +8.87 units

    YTD 97-95, +26.43 units

    Clev 130 WIN

    NYY 110 WIN

    SF 100 WIN

    Philly 114 WIN

    Tor 182 WIN

    Cubs 151 WIN

    NYY/KC Under 7.5 -120 WIN

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    Sunday 5/12 results

    Dog EFF Score

    1-0, +1.1 units

    YTD 6-5, +2.62 units

    NYY 110 WIN

    Dog EFF

    4-0, +9.08 units

    YTD 26-19, +27.40 units

    Clev 130, 2 units WIN

    NYY 110, 2 units WIN

    SF 100, 2 units WIN

    Philly 114, 2 units WIN

    System Plays

    7-0, +8.87 units

    YTD 97-95, +26.43 units

    Clev 130 WIN

    NYY 110 WIN

    SF 100 WIN

    Philly 114 WIN

    Tor 182 WIN

    Cubs 151 WIN

    NYY/KC Under 7.5 -120 WIN

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 10:31 PM ET #245

    Since Apr 29th 3g chases are 26-2...55.61u up based on Covers closing lines.   It does include a couple of plays that were dogs that went to fav just before the game started. 

    Example of figuring units on a series won:
    4/29 Min +213 for 1u (loss)
    4/30 Min +233 for 2u (1u lost & 1u to win) (loss)
    5/1 Min +201 for 4u (3u lost & 1u to win ) WIN!!  804 units won.
    If Min had lost, it would have been 7u lost overall.


    Chases start on the A game of a series and continue (if needed) to the B and C games, whether or not that B or C game is a play provided by DanRules.  It does not matter if the team is a fav or dog on a B or C game.

    Losses are:
    Oak v KC (May 6-8) (MLB Underdog System) 
    Mil v Cin (May 10-12) (MLB Underdog System)


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    Since Apr 29th 3g chases are 26-2...55.61u up based on Covers closing lines.   It does include a couple of plays that were dogs that went to fav just before the game started. 

    Example of figuring units on a series won:
    4/29 Min +213 for 1u (loss)
    4/30 Min +233 for 2u (1u lost & 1u to win) (loss)
    5/1 Min +201 for 4u (3u lost & 1u to win ) WIN!!  804 units won.
    If Min had lost, it would have been 7u lost overall.


    Chases start on the A game of a series and continue (if needed) to the B and C games, whether or not that B or C game is a play provided by DanRules.  It does not matter if the team is a fav or dog on a B or C game.

    Losses are:
    Oak v KC (May 6-8) (MLB Underdog System) 
    Mil v Cin (May 10-12) (MLB Underdog System)


     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 11:25 PM ET #246

    That 55.61u is incorrect.  I forgot to include any A/B game losses.  I will update soon.
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    That 55.61u is incorrect.  I forgot to include any A/B game losses.  I will update soon.
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2013 - 11:31 PM ET #247

    Updated...looks better.

    Since Apr 29th 3g chases are
    26-2...25.49u up based on Covers closing lines.   It does include a couple of plays that were dogs that went to fav just before the game started. 

    Example of figuring units on a series won:
    4/29 Min +213 for 1u (loss)
    4/30 Min +233 for 2u (1u lost & 1u to win) (loss)
    5/1 Min +201 for 4u (3u lost & 1u to win ) WIN!!  804 units won.
    If Min had lost, it would have been 7u lost overall.


    Chases start on the A game of a series and continue (if needed) to the B and C games, whether or not that B or C game is a play provided by DanRules.  It does not matter if the team is a fav or dog on a B or C game.

    Losses are:
    Oak v KC (May 6-8) (MLB Underdog System) 
    Mil v Cin (May 10-12) (MLB Underdog System)



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    Updated...looks better.

    Since Apr 29th 3g chases are
    26-2...25.49u up based on Covers closing lines.   It does include a couple of plays that were dogs that went to fav just before the game started. 

    Example of figuring units on a series won:
    4/29 Min +213 for 1u (loss)
    4/30 Min +233 for 2u (1u lost & 1u to win) (loss)
    5/1 Min +201 for 4u (3u lost & 1u to win ) WIN!!  804 units won.
    If Min had lost, it would have been 7u lost overall.


    Chases start on the A game of a series and continue (if needed) to the B and C games, whether or not that B or C game is a play provided by DanRules.  It does not matter if the team is a fav or dog on a B or C game.

    Losses are:
    Oak v KC (May 6-8) (MLB Underdog System) 
    Mil v Cin (May 10-12) (MLB Underdog System)



     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2013 - 12:42 AM ET #248

    Interesting stuff Buckeye. The one issue I have with this is that we are trying to find positive value in dogs and the 3 game chase as you describe is only capturing that for sure on the A game. Games B and C very likely have nothing to do with this dog system.

    So, that made me take a look at chasing each individual team only when they qualify for one of the dog systems. I took your lead on the betting units, so 1 for game 1, then 2 for game 2, 4 for the next game and maxing out at 8. A team that loses 4 in a row when qualifying for the system would cost us 15 units.

    I ran the results for the entire season (Apr 16 for our testing) and there was one loss (Toronto) and the results were +91.52 units over all. So a $25 bettor would be up $2288 with the biggest bet being $200.

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    Interesting stuff Buckeye. The one issue I have with this is that we are trying to find positive value in dogs and the 3 game chase as you describe is only capturing that for sure on the A game. Games B and C very likely have nothing to do with this dog system.

    So, that made me take a look at chasing each individual team only when they qualify for one of the dog systems. I took your lead on the betting units, so 1 for game 1, then 2 for game 2, 4 for the next game and maxing out at 8. A team that loses 4 in a row when qualifying for the system would cost us 15 units.

    I ran the results for the entire season (Apr 16 for our testing) and there was one loss (Toronto) and the results were +91.52 units over all. So a $25 bettor would be up $2288 with the biggest bet being $200.

     
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    Yesterday's Dog EFF/RRL results: [filtered handicap]*

    Sunday 12 May 2013

    NY Yankees +186 RRL  WIN / KC Royals

    Philadelphia Phillies +195 RRL  WIN / Arizona D'Backs

    Cleveland Indians-(4) +215 RRL  LOSS / Detroit Tigers-(3)**

    SF Giants -110 ML  WIN / Atlanta Braves***

     

    *13-1  92.85% ROI: +51.05units

    **Dog EFF WIN |  Dog EFF/RRL LOSS

    ***SF opening line +105 | SF closing line -110  The Dog EFF is based upon the "opening line" period..line mov

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    Yesterday's Dog EFF/RRL results: [filtered handicap]*

    Sunday 12 May 2013

    NY Yankees +186 RRL  WIN / KC Royals

    Philadelphia Phillies +195 RRL  WIN / Arizona D'Backs

    Cleveland Indians-(4) +215 RRL  LOSS / Detroit Tigers-(3)**

    SF Giants -110 ML  WIN / Atlanta Braves***

     

    *13-1  92.85% ROI: +51.05units

    **Dog EFF WIN |  Dog EFF/RRL LOSS

    ***SF opening line +105 | SF closing line -110  The Dog EFF is based upon the "opening line" period..line mov

     
     
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    line movement is based on 'balance' and varies from book to book, where as any filters or variables is at the discretion of the capper at large, serious players make their own line judgement, and wagers 10 minutes before the first pitch, unless their is an "early line" advantage-handicap; leave it alone, instances occur, last night, many books had the Braves as perennial favorites [-110] others had to contain balance, and shifted the Giants from [+105] to [-110 to -115]

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    line movement is based on 'balance' and varies from book to book, where as any filters or variables is at the discretion of the capper at large, serious players make their own line judgement, and wagers 10 minutes before the first pitch, unless their is an "early line" advantage-handicap; leave it alone, instances occur, last night, many books had the Braves as perennial favorites [-110] others had to contain balance, and shifted the Giants from [+105] to [-110 to -115]

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