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    Posted: May. 30, 2009 - 8:47 PM ET #501

    Thanks a lot for the wisdom Sports Network.  Looks like I have the basics down, I just need to expand into later innnings and then start work on accuracy of the projections.
     
    It's going to be a fun week, I might have a few more questions as I move forward.
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    Thanks a lot for the wisdom Sports Network.  Looks like I have the basics down, I just need to expand into later innnings and then start work on accuracy of the projections.
     
    It's going to be a fun week, I might have a few more questions as I move forward.
     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2009 - 8:57 PM ET #502

    Sports Network, let me ask you an opinion question here.  Now I realize that Nationals-Phillies game is just an isolated game, but I am going to use it as a starting point......I realize that you have had success in the 70% range for your predictions, but have you found that your projections player by player are accurate?  Now I compeletely understand that you can't look at past results and predict someone's game every night out, but what kind of results are you using in this respect?
     
    For example, Ryan Zimmerman had a nice track record against Cole Hamels, and my Base Runs calculation projected him contributing a lot, yet is is 0-3 on the night.  So even though we projected the Nationals scoring a bunch of runs, which they are doing, we didn't really precict where that production would come from?  So did we really do anything at all?
     
    I am sure you understand where I am going with this, let me know what you think?
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    Sports Network, let me ask you an opinion question here.  Now I realize that Nationals-Phillies game is just an isolated game, but I am going to use it as a starting point......I realize that you have had success in the 70% range for your predictions, but have you found that your projections player by player are accurate?  Now I compeletely understand that you can't look at past results and predict someone's game every night out, but what kind of results are you using in this respect?
     
    For example, Ryan Zimmerman had a nice track record against Cole Hamels, and my Base Runs calculation projected him contributing a lot, yet is is 0-3 on the night.  So even though we projected the Nationals scoring a bunch of runs, which they are doing, we didn't really precict where that production would come from?  So did we really do anything at all?
     
    I am sure you understand where I am going with this, let me know what you think?
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 1:12 AM ET #503

    Quote Originally Posted by UsaSurfer:

    Sports Network, let me ask you an opinion question here.  Now I realize that Nationals-Phillies game is just an isolated game, but I am going to use it as a starting point......I realize that you have had success in the 70% range for your predictions, but have you found that your projections player by player are accurate?  Now I compeletely understand that you can't look at past results and predict someone's game every night out, but what kind of results are you using in this respect?
     
    For example, Ryan Zimmerman had a nice track record against Cole Hamels, and my Base Runs calculation projected him contributing a lot, yet is is 0-3 on the night.  So even though we projected the Nationals scoring a bunch of runs, which they are doing, we didn't really precict where that production would come from?  So did we really do anything at all?
     
    I am sure you understand where I am going with this, let me know what you think?

    The system produced an Over play win in the WAS/PHI game; to answer your first question...

    BR/RC  should be looked at as a 'tool' and a base to pull your games from; then handicapping variables, and situational play go into effect....

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    Quote Originally Posted by UsaSurfer:

    Sports Network, let me ask you an opinion question here.  Now I realize that Nationals-Phillies game is just an isolated game, but I am going to use it as a starting point......I realize that you have had success in the 70% range for your predictions, but have you found that your projections player by player are accurate?  Now I compeletely understand that you can't look at past results and predict someone's game every night out, but what kind of results are you using in this respect?
     
    For example, Ryan Zimmerman had a nice track record against Cole Hamels, and my Base Runs calculation projected him contributing a lot, yet is is 0-3 on the night.  So even though we projected the Nationals scoring a bunch of runs, which they are doing, we didn't really precict where that production would come from?  So did we really do anything at all?
     
    I am sure you understand where I am going with this, let me know what you think?

    The system produced an Over play win in the WAS/PHI game; to answer your first question...

    BR/RC  should be looked at as a 'tool' and a base to pull your games from; then handicapping variables, and situational play go into effect....

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 1:24 AM ET #504

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB system releases Saturday 05/30/09 Base_Runs formula....
     
                                          Cardinals+125 RL.......win
                                          Tigers+140 RL............win
                                          Yankees+105 RL........win
     
                                       Twins vs DevilRays OVER 8.5........loss
                                       RedSox vs BlueJays UNDER 10.....win
                                       Reds vs Brewers OVER 7.5............win
                                       Braves vs Diamondbacks OVER 8.5..loss
     
     
    gp:7
    projected wins:5
    reference:experimental RL / DOG
    wagering$:yes
    objective:documentation
     
     
    FINAL RESULTS:
     
    5-2
    RL:3-0
    unit$:+8
    form:unit management/value plays
     
     
                                     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB system releases Saturday 05/30/09 Base_Runs formula....
     
                                          Cardinals+125 RL.......win
                                          Tigers+140 RL............win
                                          Yankees+105 RL........win
     
                                       Twins vs DevilRays OVER 8.5........loss
                                       RedSox vs BlueJays UNDER 10.....win
                                       Reds vs Brewers OVER 7.5............win
                                       Braves vs Diamondbacks OVER 8.5..loss
     
     
    gp:7
    projected wins:5
    reference:experimental RL / DOG
    wagering$:yes
    objective:documentation
     
     
    FINAL RESULTS:
     
    5-2
    RL:3-0
    unit$:+8
    form:unit management/value plays
     
     
                                     
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 2:47 AM ET #505

    SN - Looks like you had a nice day. I have been trying to work on something similar to your RL plays. Love the value in those plays and actually tailed all 3 of them today (not blindly) and as you did had a outstanding return. Just trying to decide what type of money management would workout best for this. Keep up the great work and always appreciate the post!!
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    SN - Looks like you had a nice day. I have been trying to work on something similar to your RL plays. Love the value in those plays and actually tailed all 3 of them today (not blindly) and as you did had a outstanding return. Just trying to decide what type of money management would workout best for this. Keep up the great work and always appreciate the post!!
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 3:55 AM ET #506

    Sports_Network:  Your thread is my first exposure to sabernetics - and quite honestly, I'm fascinated.  While very new to handicapping in general; I am a self-proclaimed stats geek. 

    I'm working my way through the entire thread, my apologies if this question has been answered on previous pages...  

    What data sources do you use?  I can't imagine you're looking up each player one-by-one?  I suspect you use a service or subscribe to one or more data feeds?  

    Thank you for taking the time to openly document and discuss your very compelling research.


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    Sports_Network:  Your thread is my first exposure to sabernetics - and quite honestly, I'm fascinated.  While very new to handicapping in general; I am a self-proclaimed stats geek. 

    I'm working my way through the entire thread, my apologies if this question has been answered on previous pages...  

    What data sources do you use?  I can't imagine you're looking up each player one-by-one?  I suspect you use a service or subscribe to one or more data feeds?  

    Thank you for taking the time to openly document and discuss your very compelling research.


     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 4:07 AM ET #507

    baseball-reference is a very good site. Im not exactly sure what SN uses
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    baseball-reference is a very good site. Im not exactly sure what SN uses
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 4:48 AM ET #508

    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    SN - Looks like you had a nice day. I have been trying to work on something similar to your RL plays. Love the value in those plays and actually tailed all 3 of them today (not blindly) and as you did had a outstanding return. Just trying to decide what type of money management would workout best for this. Keep up the great work and always appreciate the post!!

    Like cappin' your win...you also must capp your MM. which totally overpowers your winning % and provides 'insurance' when putting together a 'package' (four plays or more) The amount of unit$ wagered on each play is determined by the strength of the lean, and the value it possesses'....This is the concept behind the many MM formula's applied to MLB package play, with the core being the RL...a capper could go 3-4 (as I did a couple day's ago) and still come out with +2unit$...thus, a capper on the same Identical plays, with in-correct MM could go 4-3, and be -2unit$ by a blink..

    The key ingredient to MM is the almighty Bankroll, with an improper BR, a capper is at a severe dis-advantage, regardless of how successful his form is initiated..How does one acquire a BR, to begin correct MM? Can it be done through sports wagering? Are their any formula's attached to the BR syndrome? What's the ideology behind a sports wagering/investment BR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    SN - Looks like you had a nice day. I have been trying to work on something similar to your RL plays. Love the value in those plays and actually tailed all 3 of them today (not blindly) and as you did had a outstanding return. Just trying to decide what type of money management would workout best for this. Keep up the great work and always appreciate the post!!

    Like cappin' your win...you also must capp your MM. which totally overpowers your winning % and provides 'insurance' when putting together a 'package' (four plays or more) The amount of unit$ wagered on each play is determined by the strength of the lean, and the value it possesses'....This is the concept behind the many MM formula's applied to MLB package play, with the core being the RL...a capper could go 3-4 (as I did a couple day's ago) and still come out with +2unit$...thus, a capper on the same Identical plays, with in-correct MM could go 4-3, and be -2unit$ by a blink..

    The key ingredient to MM is the almighty Bankroll, with an improper BR, a capper is at a severe dis-advantage, regardless of how successful his form is initiated..How does one acquire a BR, to begin correct MM? Can it be done through sports wagering? Are their any formula's attached to the BR syndrome? What's the ideology behind a sports wagering/investment BR?

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 5:44 AM ET #509

    Quote Originally Posted by fred_russell:

    Sports_Network:  Your thread is my first exposure to sabernetics - and quite honestly, I'm fascinated.  While very new to handicapping in general; I am a self-proclaimed stats geek. 

    I'm working my way through the entire thread, my apologies if this question has been answered on previous pages...  

    What data sources do you use?  I can't imagine you're looking up each player one-by-one?  I suspect you use a service or subscribe to one or more data feeds?  

    Thank you for taking the time to openly document and discuss your very compelling research.


    I have my own Data source, created by downloading EliasSportsBureau.com  from 1989 to the present 09' season, all at bats, all pitches thrown, everything...i then incorporated it with the Base_Runs formula, and data...the additional research sites are as follows:

    Covers.com

    vegasinsider.com

    baseball-reference.com

    CBSsportsline.com

    tangotiger.com

    direct data links to all 30 mlb teams(powered by the local newspapers' sports section)

    EliasSportsBureau.com

    just a few, of the many available...

    The entire concept is based on the innovators, and their application of sabermetrics to MLB stats. The approach comes from Tom Tango, David Smyth, and Bill James...math guru's who breath, MLB stats, and the systems they generate..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred_russell:

    Sports_Network:  Your thread is my first exposure to sabernetics - and quite honestly, I'm fascinated.  While very new to handicapping in general; I am a self-proclaimed stats geek. 

    I'm working my way through the entire thread, my apologies if this question has been answered on previous pages...  

    What data sources do you use?  I can't imagine you're looking up each player one-by-one?  I suspect you use a service or subscribe to one or more data feeds?  

    Thank you for taking the time to openly document and discuss your very compelling research.


    I have my own Data source, created by downloading EliasSportsBureau.com  from 1989 to the present 09' season, all at bats, all pitches thrown, everything...i then incorporated it with the Base_Runs formula, and data...the additional research sites are as follows:

    Covers.com

    vegasinsider.com

    baseball-reference.com

    CBSsportsline.com

    tangotiger.com

    direct data links to all 30 mlb teams(powered by the local newspapers' sports section)

    EliasSportsBureau.com

    just a few, of the many available...

    The entire concept is based on the innovators, and their application of sabermetrics to MLB stats. The approach comes from Tom Tango, David Smyth, and Bill James...math guru's who breath, MLB stats, and the systems they generate..

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 9:13 AM ET #510

     Keep up the good work Kemosabe.
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     Keep up the good work Kemosabe.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:17 AM ET #511

    MLB system releases Sunday 05/31/09 Base_Runs formula...
     
     
                                  Nationals+125 ML
                                  RedSox+150 RL
                                  Royals+140 RL
                                  LAA+120 RL
     
                                  Yankees vs Indians OVER 10
                                  Twins vs DevilRays UNDER 9
     
     
    gp:6
    projected wins:5
    reference:experimental RL / DOG
    form:unit management/value plays
    objective:documentation
    wagering$:yes
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    MLB system releases Sunday 05/31/09 Base_Runs formula...
     
     
                                  Nationals+125 ML
                                  RedSox+150 RL
                                  Royals+140 RL
                                  LAA+120 RL
     
                                  Yankees vs Indians OVER 10
                                  Twins vs DevilRays UNDER 9
     
     
    gp:6
    projected wins:5
    reference:experimental RL / DOG
    form:unit management/value plays
    objective:documentation
    wagering$:yes
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:21 AM ET #512

     GL Kemosabe
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     GL Kemosabe
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 12:09 PM ET #513

    BOL, looks like a productive system
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    BOL, looks like a productive system
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 12:16 PM ET #514

    Gentlemen,

    I haven't added much to the thread, but here is something I have been working on.  I will use this afternoon's game between the Yankees and Indians.

    1st 5 inns:
    Yankees RC (Game=6.3) divide by 9 and then multiply by 5 = 3.5 runs
    Indians RC (Game 5.5) divided by 9 and then multiply by 5 = 3.06 runs

    **I did look into the season stats and based off of AB, Outs and Games played, each team averages approximately 27 (+/- .05) outs per game.  I realize some home teams winning may only have 24 outs in that particular game, but with the addition of extra inning games, it all averages to 27 outs for these particular teams.**

    **this is the reason I chose to divide by 9.**

    Yankees SP (BR=2.84) when figured into per inning and multiplied by 5, 2.82 runs
    Indians SP (BR=2.94) when figured into per inning and multiplied by 5, 2.62 runs

    Also, the same concept of career pitching numbers vs opp:
    Yankees (RC=1.82)
    Indians (RC=4.46)

    I then average the two pitching numbers, then average that number by the opp teams RC.

    Giving us:
    Yankees = 3.52 per 5 innings
    Indians = 2.69 runs per 5 innings
    Total = 6.21 runs per 5 innings

    Yankess 1st 5 innings -1/2 (EV)
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    Gentlemen,

    I haven't added much to the thread, but here is something I have been working on.  I will use this afternoon's game between the Yankees and Indians.

    1st 5 inns:
    Yankees RC (Game=6.3) divide by 9 and then multiply by 5 = 3.5 runs
    Indians RC (Game 5.5) divided by 9 and then multiply by 5 = 3.06 runs

    **I did look into the season stats and based off of AB, Outs and Games played, each team averages approximately 27 (+/- .05) outs per game.  I realize some home teams winning may only have 24 outs in that particular game, but with the addition of extra inning games, it all averages to 27 outs for these particular teams.**

    **this is the reason I chose to divide by 9.**

    Yankees SP (BR=2.84) when figured into per inning and multiplied by 5, 2.82 runs
    Indians SP (BR=2.94) when figured into per inning and multiplied by 5, 2.62 runs

    Also, the same concept of career pitching numbers vs opp:
    Yankees (RC=1.82)
    Indians (RC=4.46)

    I then average the two pitching numbers, then average that number by the opp teams RC.

    Giving us:
    Yankees = 3.52 per 5 innings
    Indians = 2.69 runs per 5 innings
    Total = 6.21 runs per 5 innings

    Yankess 1st 5 innings -1/2 (EV)
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 12:51 PM ET #515

    BW27 / good work/handicapping, Yankees 5innings looks strong,
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    BW27 / good work/handicapping, Yankees 5innings looks strong,
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 1:32 PM ET #516

    hey sports,
     
     
    What site you get your runs earned and runs created info from im missing it
     
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    hey sports,
     
     
    What site you get your runs earned and runs created info from im missing it
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcountry26:

    hey sports,
     
     
    What site you get your runs earned and runs created info from im missing it
     

    I

    I have my own data base...check #509 above,everything you need is their, with a listing of the sites you seek...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcountry26:

    hey sports,
     
     
    What site you get your runs earned and runs created info from im missing it
     

    I

    I have my own data base...check #509 above,everything you need is their, with a listing of the sites you seek...

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 1:46 PM ET #518

    MLB system releases Sunday 05/31/09 Base_Runs formula...
     
     
                                  Nationals+125 ML
                                  RedSox+150 RL
                                  Royals+140 RL
                                  LAA+120 RL
     
                                  Yankees vs Indians OVER 10
                                  Twins vs DevilRays UNDER 9
     
     
    gp:6
    projected wins:5
    reference:experimental RL / DOG
    form:unit management/value plays
    objective:documentation
    wagering$:yes
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    MLB system releases Sunday 05/31/09 Base_Runs formula...
     
     
                                  Nationals+125 ML
                                  RedSox+150 RL
                                  Royals+140 RL
                                  LAA+120 RL
     
                                  Yankees vs Indians OVER 10
                                  Twins vs DevilRays UNDER 9
     
     
    gp:6
    projected wins:5
    reference:experimental RL / DOG
    form:unit management/value plays
    objective:documentation
    wagering$:yes
     
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    Hi cdabbs and usasurfer,
                  I have added you both as friends and hope we can all work together to make some
              
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    Hi cdabbs and usasurfer,
                  I have added you both as friends and hope we can all work together to make some
              
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by uzovka77:



    It's just regular Excel 2007 file, so you need MS Office 2007

    Cut and paste this link to get  uzovka77's  spread sheet .

    I recommend you do the calculations by hand and compare to the excel sheet at first.....

    on the nightshift this week might not post to Thursday....

    BOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzovka77:



    It's just regular Excel 2007 file, so you need MS Office 2007

    Cut and paste this link to get  uzovka77's  spread sheet .

    I recommend you do the calculations by hand and compare to the excel sheet at first.....

    on the nightshift this week might not post to Thursday....

    BOL

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2009 - 11:12 PM ET #521

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    Like cappin' your win...you also must capp your MM. which totally overpowers your winning % and provides 'insurance' when putting together a 'package' (four plays or more) The amount of unit$ wagered on each play is determined by the strength of the lean, and the value it possesses'....This is the concept behind the many MM formula's applied to MLB package play, with the core being the RL...a capper could go 3-4 (as I did a couple day's ago) and still come out with +2unit$...thus, a capper on the same Identical plays, with in-correct MM could go 4-3, and be -2unit$ by a blink..

    The key ingredient to MM is the almighty Bankroll, with an improper BR, a capper is at a severe dis-advantage, regardless of how successful his form is initiated..How does one acquire a BR, to begin correct MM? Can it be done through sports wagering? Are their any formula's attached to the BR syndrome? What's the ideology behind a sports wagering/investment BR?

    SN, if it's not too much trouble, would you mind elaborating on developing a sound money management strategy...i.e. % of bankroll risked per game and per day etc...I'm sure you can't teach someone the "feel" portion of it as far as what games to up the ante on that are stronger leans, but I'm also sure I speak for the rest of us in hoping you could lend some pointers as to what fundamentals should be established in creating a sound system...maybe also point us to any articles you may know that help???

    Thanks in advance - love the analysis and thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    Like cappin' your win...you also must capp your MM. which totally overpowers your winning % and provides 'insurance' when putting together a 'package' (four plays or more) The amount of unit$ wagered on each play is determined by the strength of the lean, and the value it possesses'....This is the concept behind the many MM formula's applied to MLB package play, with the core being the RL...a capper could go 3-4 (as I did a couple day's ago) and still come out with +2unit$...thus, a capper on the same Identical plays, with in-correct MM could go 4-3, and be -2unit$ by a blink..

    The key ingredient to MM is the almighty Bankroll, with an improper BR, a capper is at a severe dis-advantage, regardless of how successful his form is initiated..How does one acquire a BR, to begin correct MM? Can it be done through sports wagering? Are their any formula's attached to the BR syndrome? What's the ideology behind a sports wagering/investment BR?

    SN, if it's not too much trouble, would you mind elaborating on developing a sound money management strategy...i.e. % of bankroll risked per game and per day etc...I'm sure you can't teach someone the "feel" portion of it as far as what games to up the ante on that are stronger leans, but I'm also sure I speak for the rest of us in hoping you could lend some pointers as to what fundamentals should be established in creating a sound system...maybe also point us to any articles you may know that help???

    Thanks in advance - love the analysis and thread!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2009 - 1:00 AM ET #522

    Hi all my numbers for tomorrow:

    Nym/Pit UNDER 9.5  -120
    PITTSBURGH  +100

    Mil/Fla OVER  9.5  +105
    Florida  +170

    Col/Hou UNDER 8.5  -110
    Col/Hou RL -1.5  +145

    Phila/SDG UNDER 8  +100
    San Diego  +105

    Cin/Stl UNDER 8.5  -120
    St. Louis  -118


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    Hi all my numbers for tomorrow:

    Nym/Pit UNDER 9.5  -120
    PITTSBURGH  +100

    Mil/Fla OVER  9.5  +105
    Florida  +170

    Col/Hou UNDER 8.5  -110
    Col/Hou RL -1.5  +145

    Phila/SDG UNDER 8  +100
    San Diego  +105

    Cin/Stl UNDER 8.5  -120
    St. Louis  -118


     
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    dicer, I have no Idea what went wrong here in this presentation, All I know is it took me a hour to answer a very complicated question, and when I clicked submit, this is what I got; a mess. PM regarding MM if you have added interest, excuse the tech in the post....best regards
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    dicer, I have no Idea what went wrong here in this presentation, All I know is it took me a hour to answer a very complicated question, and when I clicked submit, this is what I got; a mess. PM regarding MM if you have added interest, excuse the tech in the post....best regards
     
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    MLB system releases Monday 06/01/09 Base_Runs formula.....
     
                                  Marlins-105
                                  Rockies+120
                                  Mariners-122
                                  A's vs WhiteSox OVER 8.5
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                                  Marlins-105
                                  Rockies+120
                                  Mariners-122
                                  A's vs WhiteSox OVER 8.5
     
     
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    Sports Network, would you mind providing me with all of your Base Runs results for the St. Louis/Cincinnati game tonight (1st 5 innings and full game).
     
    I put in some serious time on that one today as another practice game and wanted to see how my results compare.
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    Sports Network, would you mind providing me with all of your Base Runs results for the St. Louis/Cincinnati game tonight (1st 5 innings and full game).
     
    I put in some serious time on that one today as another practice game and wanted to see how my results compare.
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