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    4 GAME CHASE SYSTEM 51-1 SO FAR THIS YEAR

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    bigdog56
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 1:21 PM ET #26

    Hrabi_Pero would it be possible to list the teams that caused the losses in the "fading away team" results?  Not sure if your database would spit those out, but would be great to know so we can look for a way to filter out some of those losses.  Great research!
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    Hrabi_Pero would it be possible to list the teams that caused the losses in the "fading away team" results?  Not sure if your database would spit those out, but would be great to know so we can look for a way to filter out some of those losses.  Great research!
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 1:23 PM ET #27

    As of right now, there are no filters. Trying to find them. If a team loses 3 straight on the road no matter when it is. There can be a home stand inbetween. As soon as that team picks up a win on the road, you chase them for 4 games to lose again. At home if they win 3 or more straight as soon as a loss comes, you chase for them to win again. My early idea is to maybe find the best teams to fit this system and maybe doubling up the units on just those teams. Im off to work but will do some more research tonight.
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    As of right now, there are no filters. Trying to find them. If a team loses 3 straight on the road no matter when it is. There can be a home stand inbetween. As soon as that team picks up a win on the road, you chase them for 4 games to lose again. At home if they win 3 or more straight as soon as a loss comes, you chase for them to win again. My early idea is to maybe find the best teams to fit this system and maybe doubling up the units on just those teams. Im off to work but will do some more research tonight.
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 7:11 PM ET #28

    NL CENTRAL 2005 to PRESENT:

    CUBS
    05: 3-0 6-1 = 9-1
    06: 3-0 9-0 = 12-0
    07: 6-0 4-0 = 10-0
    08: 6-1 1-0 = 7-1
    09: 4-0 0-0 = 4-0
    TOTAL = 42-2

    REDS
    05: 7-0 7-1 = 14-1
    06: 5-0 4-1 = 9-1
    07: 4-1 7-0 = 11-1
    08: 5-0 6-0 = 11-0
    09: 2-0 0-0 = 2-0
    TOTAL =  47- 3

    HOU
    05: 9-0 5-0 = 14-0
    06: 5-1 3-1 = 8-2
    07: 7-0 5-0 = 12-0
    08: 6-0 6-0 = 12-0
    09: 2-0 1-0 = 3-0
    TOTAL = 49- 2

    BREWERS
    05: 6-0 8-0 = 14-0
    06: 6-0 8-0 = 14-0
    07: 7-0 6-0 = 13-0
    08: 8-0 2-0 = 10 -0
    09: 2-0 1-0 = 3-0
    TOTAL = 54-0

    PIRATES
    05: 3-1 5-0 = 8-1
    06: 5-0 10-0 = 15-0
    07: 4-0 8-0 = 12-0
    08: 4-0 7-0 = 11-0
    09: 1-0 3-0 = 4-0
    TOTAL:  =  50-1

    ST.LOUIS
    05: 5-0 0-0 = 5-0
    06: 9-0 6-1 = 15-1
    07: 4-0 4-1 = 8-1
    08: 5-0 4-0 = 9-0
    09: 1-0 1-0 = 2-0
    TOTAL = 39-2

    Brewers home and away, St. Louis at home, and the Pirates away fade look really strong
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    NL CENTRAL 2005 to PRESENT:

    CUBS
    05: 3-0 6-1 = 9-1
    06: 3-0 9-0 = 12-0
    07: 6-0 4-0 = 10-0
    08: 6-1 1-0 = 7-1
    09: 4-0 0-0 = 4-0
    TOTAL = 42-2

    REDS
    05: 7-0 7-1 = 14-1
    06: 5-0 4-1 = 9-1
    07: 4-1 7-0 = 11-1
    08: 5-0 6-0 = 11-0
    09: 2-0 0-0 = 2-0
    TOTAL =  47- 3

    HOU
    05: 9-0 5-0 = 14-0
    06: 5-1 3-1 = 8-2
    07: 7-0 5-0 = 12-0
    08: 6-0 6-0 = 12-0
    09: 2-0 1-0 = 3-0
    TOTAL = 49- 2

    BREWERS
    05: 6-0 8-0 = 14-0
    06: 6-0 8-0 = 14-0
    07: 7-0 6-0 = 13-0
    08: 8-0 2-0 = 10 -0
    09: 2-0 1-0 = 3-0
    TOTAL = 54-0

    PIRATES
    05: 3-1 5-0 = 8-1
    06: 5-0 10-0 = 15-0
    07: 4-0 8-0 = 12-0
    08: 4-0 7-0 = 11-0
    09: 1-0 3-0 = 4-0
    TOTAL:  =  50-1

    ST.LOUIS
    05: 5-0 0-0 = 5-0
    06: 9-0 6-1 = 15-1
    07: 4-0 4-1 = 8-1
    08: 5-0 4-0 = 9-0
    09: 1-0 1-0 = 2-0
    TOTAL = 39-2

    Brewers home and away, St. Louis at home, and the Pirates away fade look really strong
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 10:55 PM ET #29

    So the Brewers would be one play for Friday?
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 12:26 AM ET #30

    SYSTEM PLAYS FOR WED:
     
    GAME 1:
    BREWERS
     
    GAME 2:
    LAA (CWS to lose)
     
    SYSTEM RECORD 7-0
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    SYSTEM PLAYS FOR WED:
     
    GAME 1:
    BREWERS
     
    GAME 2:
    LAA (CWS to lose)
     
    SYSTEM RECORD 7-0
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 12:26 AM ET #31

    NO PLAYS FOR THUR
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 1:25 AM ET #32

    Ok heres how I'm ganna tweek this system to hopefully benefit my bankroll. Im making up something that i'm ganna call the MIDDLE NUMBER. When the season starts the middle number is ganna be 0. Every 20 games a team plays that middle number is ganna move +3 and -3 in each direction. At the end of the season the middle numbers for each team are ganna be +24 and -24. Right now since we are between 40 and 60 games the middle numbers for every team are +6 and -6. The + - represent games over or under .500.  Everything is ganna be the same as it is now except when im chasing a home team to win and their record is above the middle number and every team they will face in the chase is blow the middle number, I chase for 2 units instead of 1. Same the other way. If im chasing a team to lose on the road and they are below the middle number and every team the face in the 4 game chase is above the middle number at the start of the chase, I double my units. This will start on Friday as there are no plays tormorrow. Remember the middle number will move to +9 - 9 when a team gets to 60 games. Until then it stays at +6 -6. Input would be great!
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    Ok heres how I'm ganna tweek this system to hopefully benefit my bankroll. Im making up something that i'm ganna call the MIDDLE NUMBER. When the season starts the middle number is ganna be 0. Every 20 games a team plays that middle number is ganna move +3 and -3 in each direction. At the end of the season the middle numbers for each team are ganna be +24 and -24. Right now since we are between 40 and 60 games the middle numbers for every team are +6 and -6. The + - represent games over or under .500.  Everything is ganna be the same as it is now except when im chasing a home team to win and their record is above the middle number and every team they will face in the chase is blow the middle number, I chase for 2 units instead of 1. Same the other way. If im chasing a team to lose on the road and they are below the middle number and every team the face in the 4 game chase is above the middle number at the start of the chase, I double my units. This will start on Friday as there are no plays tormorrow. Remember the middle number will move to +9 - 9 when a team gets to 60 games. Until then it stays at +6 -6. Input would be great!
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 1:43 AM ET #33

    Makes sense, I like it  Probability of winning apperently increases
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    Makes sense, I like it  Probability of winning apperently increases
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 1:45 AM ET #34

    So your gonna have to look at that home teams upcoming schedule to make sure their opponents qualify?
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 1:49 AM ET #35

    Not only their current series, but their series after?
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 2:45 AM ET #36

    yes both teams they play in thier next 4 games
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    yes both teams they play in thier next 4 games
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 3:13 AM ET #37

    Is system play chasing Milwuakee (2X unit) on Friday?

    If so, if MIL is +7, which is over their +6 "middle number", and Cinnci is +7 as well, that means based on your middle-number system you don't double up.  If FOR EXAMPLE they were playing Washington or Houston or some other bankroll-burning team under the -6 number, AND you were chasing a 2nd game, would you bet 4Xunit? or 2X +1?

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    Is system play chasing Milwuakee (2X unit) on Friday?

    If so, if MIL is +7, which is over their +6 "middle number", and Cinnci is +7 as well, that means based on your middle-number system you don't double up.  If FOR EXAMPLE they were playing Washington or Houston or some other bankroll-burning team under the -6 number, AND you were chasing a 2nd game, would you bet 4Xunit? or 2X +1?

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 3:25 AM ET #38

    Is it possible for anyone to send me the data via email for this, I would like to test a few extra "theories" alongside these? PM me for address THANKS
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    Is it possible for anyone to send me the data via email for this, I would like to test a few extra "theories" alongside these? PM me for address THANKS
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 3:33 AM ET #39

    4x  my goal is to win 2 units on the chase. The system works well without it, Just looking to beef it up a little.
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    4x  my goal is to win 2 units on the chase. The system works well without it, Just looking to beef it up a little.
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 9:20 AM ET #40

    i tweaked it a little...
    inspired by toms people

    i've put the filter on the game team lost/won before chase starts
    for home team chase their line should be greater then -150
    with away chase untweaked these are the results:

    2000.  216,10u   271-3    98,91%  -36,92u
    2001.     0,91u   258-15   94,51%  -34,96u
    2002.  90,05u    285-15   95,00%  -22,76u
    2003.  18,25u    266-12   95,68%  -80,15u
    2004.  67,73u    259-11   95,93%  -27,99u
    2005.  112,04u  266-10   96,38%  -26,58u
    2006.  135,26u  281-8     97,23%  -55,71u
    2007.  -3,88u     264-12   95,65%  -30,31u
    2008.  148,15u  284-7     97,59%  -47,19u
    2009.  52,00u     52-0   100,00%  -,00u


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    i tweaked it a little...
    inspired by toms people

    i've put the filter on the game team lost/won before chase starts
    for home team chase their line should be greater then -150
    with away chase untweaked these are the results:

    2000.  216,10u   271-3    98,91%  -36,92u
    2001.     0,91u   258-15   94,51%  -34,96u
    2002.  90,05u    285-15   95,00%  -22,76u
    2003.  18,25u    266-12   95,68%  -80,15u
    2004.  67,73u    259-11   95,93%  -27,99u
    2005.  112,04u  266-10   96,38%  -26,58u
    2006.  135,26u  281-8     97,23%  -55,71u
    2007.  -3,88u     264-12   95,65%  -30,31u
    2008.  148,15u  284-7     97,59%  -47,19u
    2009.  52,00u     52-0   100,00%  -,00u


     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 9:27 AM ET #41

    list of teams that 'failed' away fade chase and won 4 times in a row (how rude of them)

    date/team/damage

    20000421 LAN -36,92u
    20000616 SLN -9,71u
    20000825 SFN -8,27u

    20010529 ari -16,17u
    20010602 CHN -12,40u
    20010605 CHA -18,21u
    20010630 LAN -18,88u
    20010718 ANA -30,25u
    20010905 NYN -22,90u
    20011003 SEA -7,70u
    20011018 NYA -26,32u

    20020423 ari -12,21u
    20020503 ANA -17,41u
    20020518 NYN -14,77u
    20020623 TEX -22,76u
    20020829 SFN -14,13u
    20020903 CHA -12,79u
    20021004 OAK -7,65u

    20030611 FLO -18,88u
    20030614 LAN -5,75u
    20030703 SDN -80,15u
    20030823 CLE -27,03u
    20030910 FLO -12,86u
    20030918 TOR -5,67u

    20040717 LAN -19,21u
    20040809 ANA -6,47u
    20040903 BAL -27,76u
    20040911 PHI -23,78u
    20040929 CLE -11,89u

    20050507 MIN -9,09u
    20050517 NYA -6,84u
    20050719 CHN -13,52u
    20050721 HOU -14,14u
    20050731 CIN -26,58u

    20050905 SFN -17,71u
    20050926 NYN -22,55u

    20060520 SLN -6,58u
    20060522 DET -18,60u
    20060605 CIN -16,61u
    20060620 MIN -14,68u
    20060928 HOU -10,74u
    20061007 NYN -17,87u

    20070527 col -30,31u
    20070825 MIN -13,57u
    20070904 NYN -24,40u
    20070930 SLN -26,55u

    20080518 CHA -15,00u
    20080617 OAK -15,04u
    20080816 NYN -8,29u
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    list of teams that 'failed' away fade chase and won 4 times in a row (how rude of them)

    date/team/damage

    20000421 LAN -36,92u
    20000616 SLN -9,71u
    20000825 SFN -8,27u

    20010529 ari -16,17u
    20010602 CHN -12,40u
    20010605 CHA -18,21u
    20010630 LAN -18,88u
    20010718 ANA -30,25u
    20010905 NYN -22,90u
    20011003 SEA -7,70u
    20011018 NYA -26,32u

    20020423 ari -12,21u
    20020503 ANA -17,41u
    20020518 NYN -14,77u
    20020623 TEX -22,76u
    20020829 SFN -14,13u
    20020903 CHA -12,79u
    20021004 OAK -7,65u

    20030611 FLO -18,88u
    20030614 LAN -5,75u
    20030703 SDN -80,15u
    20030823 CLE -27,03u
    20030910 FLO -12,86u
    20030918 TOR -5,67u

    20040717 LAN -19,21u
    20040809 ANA -6,47u
    20040903 BAL -27,76u
    20040911 PHI -23,78u
    20040929 CLE -11,89u

    20050507 MIN -9,09u
    20050517 NYA -6,84u
    20050719 CHN -13,52u
    20050721 HOU -14,14u
    20050731 CIN -26,58u

    20050905 SFN -17,71u
    20050926 NYN -22,55u

    20060520 SLN -6,58u
    20060522 DET -18,60u
    20060605 CIN -16,61u
    20060620 MIN -14,68u
    20060928 HOU -10,74u
    20061007 NYN -17,87u

    20070527 col -30,31u
    20070825 MIN -13,57u
    20070904 NYN -24,40u
    20070930 SLN -26,55u

    20080518 CHA -15,00u
    20080617 OAK -15,04u
    20080816 NYN -8,29u
     
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    good thread, interesting, valuable data attached...good work fella's
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    good thread, interesting, valuable data attached...good work fella's
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 10:27 AM ET #43

    Just need to add something here ....
     
    I have a number of profitable systems and have contributed to these forums in the past.
     
    You are neglecting to recognize the EXTREME nature of money line chase losses.  Here is an example of the Chicago Cubs losing chase from 2008.  I used the Cubs because they are traditionally a strong home team (a team that you would certainly include in any home chase system).
     
    After 4 straight home wins in 2008 ... To win $100 ...
     
    8/30/08 -132   Bet 132    Loss   (-132)   Cumulative Loss (-132)
    8/31/08 -134   Bet 310    Loss   (-310)   Cumulative Loss (-442)
    9/01/08 -114   Bet 617    Loss   (-617)   Cumulative Loss (-1059)
    9/02/08 -201   Bet 2329  Loss  (-2329)  Cumulative Loss (-3388)
    9/03/08 -214   Bet 3488  Loss  (-3488)  Cumulative Loss (-7464)
     
    OK, so let's not say, "well, how would the sytem be if we pulled out the Cubs?"  You WOULD include the Cubs because they consistently win over 50% at home.
     
    OK, let's not say, "but it won in game six", because NO ONE is going to bet $7,564 to win a c-note!
     
    Chase run lines and totals!
     
    Good Luck to All !!!
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    Just need to add something here ....
     
    I have a number of profitable systems and have contributed to these forums in the past.
     
    You are neglecting to recognize the EXTREME nature of money line chase losses.  Here is an example of the Chicago Cubs losing chase from 2008.  I used the Cubs because they are traditionally a strong home team (a team that you would certainly include in any home chase system).
     
    After 4 straight home wins in 2008 ... To win $100 ...
     
    8/30/08 -132   Bet 132    Loss   (-132)   Cumulative Loss (-132)
    8/31/08 -134   Bet 310    Loss   (-310)   Cumulative Loss (-442)
    9/01/08 -114   Bet 617    Loss   (-617)   Cumulative Loss (-1059)
    9/02/08 -201   Bet 2329  Loss  (-2329)  Cumulative Loss (-3388)
    9/03/08 -214   Bet 3488  Loss  (-3488)  Cumulative Loss (-7464)
     
    OK, so let's not say, "well, how would the sytem be if we pulled out the Cubs?"  You WOULD include the Cubs because they consistently win over 50% at home.
     
    OK, let's not say, "but it won in game six", because NO ONE is going to bet $7,564 to win a c-note!
     
    Chase run lines and totals!
     
    Good Luck to All !!!
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 10:56 AM ET #44

    you started the chase one game too early with this example... but good point. that would be a 47u dent in your account
    everyone getting involved with chase systems should remind themselves of a big risk and possibilities of betting 80u to win 1

    in my numbers up there somewhere you can see biggest losses
    -90u and one of -80u
    so you need a hefty bankroll and modest unit size, less then 1% for days when you have few chases in 3rd and 4th games

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    you started the chase one game too early with this example... but good point. that would be a 47u dent in your account
    everyone getting involved with chase systems should remind themselves of a big risk and possibilities of betting 80u to win 1

    in my numbers up there somewhere you can see biggest losses
    -90u and one of -80u
    so you need a hefty bankroll and modest unit size, less then 1% for days when you have few chases in 3rd and 4th games

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 6:05 PM ET #45

    This system since 2005 has been proven to make a profit every single year. Thats good enough for me
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    This system since 2005 has been proven to make a profit every single year. Thats good enough for me
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 11:50 PM ET #46

    SYSTEM PLAYS FOR FRIDAY:
     
    GAME ONE:
    LAA (SEA to lose) 1unit
     
    GAME TWO:
    MILWAUKEE 1unit
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    SYSTEM PLAYS FOR FRIDAY:
     
    GAME ONE:
    LAA (SEA to lose) 1unit
     
    GAME TWO:
    MILWAUKEE 1unit
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2009 - 11:51 PM ET #47

    SYSTEM RECORD = 7-0

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    SYSTEM RECORD = 7-0

     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2009 - 12:24 AM ET #48

    Tony - Why did you pick Milwaukee?  How did the brewers qualify? I ask because they are coming off of two home losses, which I didn't think fit your system.
     
    Still getting a grasp on it..
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    Tony - Why did you pick Milwaukee?  How did the brewers qualify? I ask because they are coming off of two home losses, which I didn't think fit your system.
     
    Still getting a grasp on it..
     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2009 - 12:32 AM ET #49

    Yes they lost 2 home games in a row but befor that they had 4 straight home wins so after the first loss after 3 or more home wins then you chase them to win again. The first game of the chase was a loss so now its game 2 of the chase
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    Yes they lost 2 home games in a row but befor that they had 4 straight home wins so after the first loss after 3 or more home wins then you chase them to win again. The first game of the chase was a loss so now its game 2 of the chase
     
     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2009 - 12:42 AM ET #50

    Thanks -
    So then with Milwaukee losing wednesday night how do you arrive at a 7-0 record?
    Not trying to be a contrarian -- just trying to understand the system you've built,
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    So then with Milwaukee losing wednesday night how do you arrive at a 7-0 record?
    Not trying to be a contrarian -- just trying to understand the system you've built,
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