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    New Orleans at Seattle (12/02/2013)

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    fotosfromphilly
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 6:44 PM ET #51

    Saints appear to have difficulty playing on the road judging by their recent games. Any concern about the Seattle defensive backs should keep in mind that, while the loss of starter is significant, because of the caliber of play difference from #1 to #2, which is significant.

    The drop off between a #2 and #3 isn't as drastic, so that should not a top priority in selecting. The Seattle kicker is outstanding according to his stats, while Saints' kicker is unsteady, in Seattle, may be unreliable.

    Saints rushing game is average; Saints run defense gives up 4.5 a carry. Value can be found in teasing Seattle to 0 or .5....

    As for over/under, which would be the other component of the teaser...YIKES! HELP! Feel so close but so far away.

    I would take the under, because of the Saints kicker...majority is on the over, including the professionals. Over lines are usually inflated for BIG PUBLIC GAMES (Monday night, Sunday night and popular teams, which both of these are). So Value might be found in the under tease.

    I like reading Sammy's posts...that avatar cracks me up...
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    Saints appear to have difficulty playing on the road judging by their recent games. Any concern about the Seattle defensive backs should keep in mind that, while the loss of starter is significant, because of the caliber of play difference from #1 to #2, which is significant.

    The drop off between a #2 and #3 isn't as drastic, so that should not a top priority in selecting. The Seattle kicker is outstanding according to his stats, while Saints' kicker is unsteady, in Seattle, may be unreliable.

    Saints rushing game is average; Saints run defense gives up 4.5 a carry. Value can be found in teasing Seattle to 0 or .5....

    As for over/under, which would be the other component of the teaser...YIKES! HELP! Feel so close but so far away.

    I would take the under, because of the Saints kicker...majority is on the over, including the professionals. Over lines are usually inflated for BIG PUBLIC GAMES (Monday night, Sunday night and popular teams, which both of these are). So Value might be found in the under tease.

    I like reading Sammy's posts...that avatar cracks me up...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 6:48 PM ET #52

    mid 30s no rain or wind tonight in Seattle.

    https://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/Seattle+WA+USWA0395:1:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6

    If it was an ugly windy and rainy Seattle night I could see taking the Seahawks here. But I can buy NO to +7 here so I will, just seems to be more value to me. Read often but dont post much, great work to some of you, but a bunch of you guys are douches. Fun to read though so keep that garbage up you degenerate people. good luck to all
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    mid 30s no rain or wind tonight in Seattle.

    https://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/Seattle+WA+USWA0395:1:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6

    If it was an ugly windy and rainy Seattle night I could see taking the Seahawks here. But I can buy NO to +7 here so I will, just seems to be more value to me. Read often but dont post much, great work to some of you, but a bunch of you guys are douches. Fun to read though so keep that garbage up you degenerate people. good luck to all
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 6:49 PM ET #53

    New orl weak against run. Sea brutal at home. Saints poor on the road. Sproles was out last game. Ankle. Probably be a step or two slow.Sea getting some lineman back. Lynch will punish them on def
    2 sea dbs out but sherman could shut down graham and then saints have????
    Total-both teams avg 28 but lot of there pts against chump teams kind of skews avg

    Harvin not playing-another bust.

    Saints-good pass d run not as well. Sea runs well. Saints can't run. Mainly pass Sea defends pass well. Rush so so.
    It looks like each team cancels the other out!!! But too many points for Sea. The types of teams they shit down have terrible offenses to begin with. That's about all the English you gonna get from the dogs. Where my haters at? Need em for strength!!!! Eyyyyyyyy. EZ you know you can't resist saints and ya boy drewbreesy! Vue I'm giving you the nones!!! Quad step to em again. Col=dead! Irish=back. And the doc ain't even krunk yet!!!! Oh wait football...saints ov large!!!!!!!
    If you’re not large, you’re small - the DOC
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    New orl weak against run. Sea brutal at home. Saints poor on the road. Sproles was out last game. Ankle. Probably be a step or two slow.Sea getting some lineman back. Lynch will punish them on def
    2 sea dbs out but sherman could shut down graham and then saints have????
    Total-both teams avg 28 but lot of there pts against chump teams kind of skews avg

    Harvin not playing-another bust.

    Saints-good pass d run not as well. Sea runs well. Saints can't run. Mainly pass Sea defends pass well. Rush so so.
    It looks like each team cancels the other out!!! But too many points for Sea. The types of teams they shit down have terrible offenses to begin with. That's about all the English you gonna get from the dogs. Where my haters at? Need em for strength!!!! Eyyyyyyyy. EZ you know you can't resist saints and ya boy drewbreesy! Vue I'm giving you the nones!!! Quad step to em again. Col=dead! Irish=back. And the doc ain't even krunk yet!!!! Oh wait football...saints ov large!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 6:50 PM ET #54

    Saint's scores +3.7 pts (#3) more than their opponents allow  
    Saint's allow -4.8 pts (#5) than their opponents score on average.

    Sea scores 4.3 pts (#2)
    more than their opponents allow  
    Seattle allows -5.3 pts (#4) 
    than their opponents score on average.
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    Saint's scores +3.7 pts (#3) more than their opponents allow  
    Saint's allow -4.8 pts (#5) than their opponents score on average.

    Sea scores 4.3 pts (#2)
    more than their opponents allow  
    Seattle allows -5.3 pts (#4) 
    than their opponents score on average.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 6:52 PM ET #55

    First, it's hard not to like the saints in this matchup, but can some answer this question for me? If 60% of the public are on the saints, why has the line increased from the opening line? This line is begging for action on the saints. Something isn't adding up here. Vegas must know something I don't. Seattle seems like the in logical choice at -5, but I suspect they will win by 2 touchdowns based on the strange line movement.
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    First, it's hard not to like the saints in this matchup, but can some answer this question for me? If 60% of the public are on the saints, why has the line increased from the opening line? This line is begging for action on the saints. Something isn't adding up here. Vegas must know something I don't. Seattle seems like the in logical choice at -5, but I suspect they will win by 2 touchdowns based on the strange line movement.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 6:52 PM ET #56

    Shut=garbage
    If you’re not large, you’re small - the DOC
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    Shut=garbage
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 6:53 PM ET #57


    "The last few weeks the Saints have been kind of lethargic besides the Cowboys game in their play and have struggled against competitive defenses."

    Hey Bell, do you think the lethargic play might have more to do with division rivals as opposed to a down stretch. Regarding the stats supporting either Saints of Seahawks rankings on defense, what is the difference between the offensive strengths of their intra-divisional foes. That might give a clearer indication of the rankings..
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    "The last few weeks the Saints have been kind of lethargic besides the Cowboys game in their play and have struggled against competitive defenses."

    Hey Bell, do you think the lethargic play might have more to do with division rivals as opposed to a down stretch. Regarding the stats supporting either Saints of Seahawks rankings on defense, what is the difference between the offensive strengths of their intra-divisional foes. That might give a clearer indication of the rankings..
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 7:01 PM ET #58

    Can't decide between these two ---they are now an even match--all things considered... So the over is the only way to go---SCOOOORRRE  !!!!!
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    Can't decide between these two ---they are now an even match--all things considered... So the over is the only way to go---SCOOOORRRE  !!!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 7:06 PM ET #59

    The Seahawks plus the crowd at home = disaster.. Ask the 49ers in which the saints squeaked by at home.

    Hawks- 27

    Saints- 16

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    The Seahawks plus the crowd at home = disaster.. Ask the 49ers in which the saints squeaked by at home.

    Hawks- 27

    Saints- 16

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 7:58 PM ET #60

    Saints are not as good on the road PERIOD. They actually have a good road record but they squeak by against bad teams and do not put up points. I know Seattle will be without two In the secondary but it is next man up in this league. Injuries are overrated unless QB or center. Seattle looked lackluster at home against Tampa but the energy here will be completely different. NFL is situational. I'm taking Seattle -5.5 -120.
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    Saints are not as good on the road PERIOD. They actually have a good road record but they squeak by against bad teams and do not put up points. I know Seattle will be without two In the secondary but it is next man up in this league. Injuries are overrated unless QB or center. Seattle looked lackluster at home against Tampa but the energy here will be completely different. NFL is situational. I'm taking Seattle -5.5 -120.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:01 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by DrDogs:

    New orl weak against run. Sea brutal at home. Saints poor on the road. Sproles was out last game. Ankle. Probably be a step or two slow.Sea getting some lineman back. Lynch will punish them on def
    2 sea dbs out but sherman could shut down graham and then saints have????
    Total-both teams avg 28 but lot of there pts against chump teams kind of skews avg

    Harvin not playing-another bust.

    Saints-good pass d run not as well. Sea runs well. Saints can't run. Mainly pass Sea defends pass well. Rush so so.
    It looks like each team cancels the other out!!! But too many points for Sea. The types of teams they garbage down have terrible offenses to begin with. That's about all the English you gonna get from the dogs. Where my haters at? Need em for strength!!!! Eyyyyyyyy. EZ you know you can't resist saints and ya boy drewbreesy! Vue I'm giving you the nones!!! Quad step to em again. Col=dead! Irish=back. And the doc ain't even krunk yet!!!! Oh wait football...saints ov large!!!!!!!

    Huh? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDogs:

    New orl weak against run. Sea brutal at home. Saints poor on the road. Sproles was out last game. Ankle. Probably be a step or two slow.Sea getting some lineman back. Lynch will punish them on def
    2 sea dbs out but sherman could shut down graham and then saints have????
    Total-both teams avg 28 but lot of there pts against chump teams kind of skews avg

    Harvin not playing-another bust.

    Saints-good pass d run not as well. Sea runs well. Saints can't run. Mainly pass Sea defends pass well. Rush so so.
    It looks like each team cancels the other out!!! But too many points for Sea. The types of teams they garbage down have terrible offenses to begin with. That's about all the English you gonna get from the dogs. Where my haters at? Need em for strength!!!! Eyyyyyyyy. EZ you know you can't resist saints and ya boy drewbreesy! Vue I'm giving you the nones!!! Quad step to em again. Col=dead! Irish=back. And the doc ain't even krunk yet!!!! Oh wait football...saints ov large!!!!!!!

    Huh? 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:06 PM ET #62

    Big game going  with the veteran qb....drew plus 6 anyday.
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    Big game going  with the veteran qb....drew plus 6 anyday.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:11 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by vanhawk:

    New Orleans is not the same team on the road as they are at home. They beat the lowly Bucaneers by two points on the road in week 2. They lost to that horrendously terrible Jets at the beginning of November in NY.. and just last week squeaked a win against a pathetic 2-9 Falcons team 17-13.

    They aren't road worthy enough to get a win in the leagues toughest stadium!

    Seattle -6

    and the seahawks almost got beat by those same LOWLY bucs, at home not too long ago... but you fail to mention that

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanhawk:

    New Orleans is not the same team on the road as they are at home. They beat the lowly Bucaneers by two points on the road in week 2. They lost to that horrendously terrible Jets at the beginning of November in NY.. and just last week squeaked a win against a pathetic 2-9 Falcons team 17-13.

    They aren't road worthy enough to get a win in the leagues toughest stadium!

    Seattle -6

    and the seahawks almost got beat by those same LOWLY bucs, at home not too long ago... but you fail to mention that

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:15 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by DrDogs:

    New orl weak against run. Sea brutal at home. Saints poor on the road. Sproles was out last game. Ankle. Probably be a step or two slow.Sea getting some lineman back. Lynch will punish them on def
    2 sea dbs out but sherman could shut down graham and then saints have????
    Total-both teams avg 28 but lot of there pts against chump teams kind of skews avg

    Harvin not playing-another bust.

    Saints-good pass d run not as well. Sea runs well. Saints can't run. Mainly pass Sea defends pass well. Rush so so.
    It looks like each team cancels the other out!!! But too many points for Sea. The types of teams they garbage down have terrible offenses to begin with. That's about all the English you gonna get from the dogs. Where my haters at? Need em for strength!!!! Eyyyyyyyy. EZ you know you can't resist saints and ya boy drewbreesy! Vue I'm giving you the nones!!! Quad step to em again. Col=dead! Irish=back. And the doc ain't even krunk yet!!!! Oh wait football...saints ov large!!!!!!!

    xcuse me.... over saint, or saint + over... your pick????

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDogs:

    New orl weak against run. Sea brutal at home. Saints poor on the road. Sproles was out last game. Ankle. Probably be a step or two slow.Sea getting some lineman back. Lynch will punish them on def
    2 sea dbs out but sherman could shut down graham and then saints have????
    Total-both teams avg 28 but lot of there pts against chump teams kind of skews avg

    Harvin not playing-another bust.

    Saints-good pass d run not as well. Sea runs well. Saints can't run. Mainly pass Sea defends pass well. Rush so so.
    It looks like each team cancels the other out!!! But too many points for Sea. The types of teams they garbage down have terrible offenses to begin with. That's about all the English you gonna get from the dogs. Where my haters at? Need em for strength!!!! Eyyyyyyyy. EZ you know you can't resist saints and ya boy drewbreesy! Vue I'm giving you the nones!!! Quad step to em again. Col=dead! Irish=back. And the doc ain't even krunk yet!!!! Oh wait football...saints ov large!!!!!!!

    xcuse me.... over saint, or saint + over... your pick????

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:18 PM ET #65

    I hope a couple of these posts aren't from the guys that guaranteed the florida state/ florida game was going over, i love it when know it alls force me to win money, although every stat imaginable says the saints can't hang in this game,  i'll take brees getting nearly a td any day of the week
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    I hope a couple of these posts aren't from the guys that guaranteed the florida state/ florida game was going over, i love it when know it alls force me to win money, although every stat imaginable says the saints can't hang in this game,  i'll take brees getting nearly a td any day of the week
     
    ChOmP
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:22 PM ET #66

    Saints +6.5
    Under
    48.5
    Winning isn’t everything.. It’s the Only thing.
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    Saints +6.5
    Under
    48.5
     
    binger1
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:23 PM ET #67

    SAINTS +6.5
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    SAINTS +6.5
     
    P408
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:26 PM ET #68

    Taking Saints +7 (bought half a pt.) for the Game!!!
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    Taking Saints +7 (bought half a pt.) for the Game!!!
     
    OC_sharp949
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:41 PM ET #69

    Rob Ryan has a hystory of poor defensive performances playing against Seattle. Seattle will run all over the Aint's tonight. If the Saints score more than 10 points im shocked. If Im wrong I look like a dope.

    Saints and unda

    -6/49.5

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    Rob Ryan has a hystory of poor defensive performances playing against Seattle. Seattle will run all over the Aint's tonight. If the Saints score more than 10 points im shocked. If Im wrong I look like a dope.

    Saints and unda

    -6/49.5

     
    LOLKNBR
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 8:50 PM ET #70

    Saints looking lost out there right now.


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    Saints looking lost out there right now.


     
    OC_sharp949
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 9:13 PM ET #71

    oh ya and its raining too really hard, I'm luvin it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    oh ya and its raining too really hard, I'm luvin it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
    TORONTO
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 9:32 PM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by TORONTO:

    Over 23 1/2 1st Half  

    Weigh a pie, in the sky  
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    Quote Originally Posted by TORONTO:

    Over 23 1/2 1st Half  

    Weigh a pie, in the sky  
     
    BreakaBookie
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 10:20 PM ET #73

    Leaning towards hawks second half but the spread is hawks -.5

     

    I expected Saints would be giving points

     

     

    decisions decisions

     

     

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    Leaning towards hawks second half but the spread is hawks -.5

     

    I expected Saints would be giving points

     

     

    decisions decisions

     

     

     
    BreakaBookie
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 10:23 PM ET #74

    I'm lockin it in.... GL to all!

     

    sea -.5 2nd half

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    I'm lockin it in.... GL to all!

     

    sea -.5 2nd half

     
     
    BreakaBookie
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2013 - 10:24 PM ET #75

    Didn't get it placed in time.....

     

    oh well lol

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    Didn't get it placed in time.....

     

    oh well lol

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