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    StevenGA1011
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 2:43 PM ET #51

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    Coverdatspred
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 3:03 PM ET #52

    Miami will not miss Ronnie Brown in this game as much as Carolina will miss starting Tackle Jordan Gross who is out of the season after an injury last week.  They will have to jumble their offensive line up to make up for this loss.  Ricky Williams will fill in just fine here this evening and will probably be able to run wild against the leagues 25th ranked defense. 

    Gross was a huge part of what Carolina likes to do in the running and passing game and will be sorely missed.  Delhomme is already a skiddish QB and now his main man for protecting his blindside is gone. 

    Miami should be able to hold their own on defense because Carolina likes to do what?  Run run run......Miami has the leagues 7th best defense against the run.  Force Jake to throw the ball and he WILL turn it over.

    Give me Miami +3 here all day

    GL everyone 
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    Miami will not miss Ronnie Brown in this game as much as Carolina will miss starting Tackle Jordan Gross who is out of the season after an injury last week.  They will have to jumble their offensive line up to make up for this loss.  Ricky Williams will fill in just fine here this evening and will probably be able to run wild against the leagues 25th ranked defense. 

    Gross was a huge part of what Carolina likes to do in the running and passing game and will be sorely missed.  Delhomme is already a skiddish QB and now his main man for protecting his blindside is gone. 

    Miami should be able to hold their own on defense because Carolina likes to do what?  Run run run......Miami has the leagues 7th best defense against the run.  Force Jake to throw the ball and he WILL turn it over.

    Give me Miami +3 here all day

    GL everyone 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 3:31 PM ET #53

    Is Stewart and Williams both hurt?
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    Is Stewart and Williams both hurt?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 3:39 PM ET #54

    Looking at recent past performances...

    Which team is on the rise,while one seems to have shot their load ?

    Fins barely dodged lowly Bucs bullet.

    With Healthy Brown, zzzzcat offense needed 2 kickoff returns to beat mediocre Jets team.

    Miami LG Smiley,DB Tyrone C are questionable +

    Brown,Fassano,Soliani,Walden are OUT.

    Few challenges John Fox has not met and answered being winningest coach in Panthers history.

    Hats off to Sparano but you aint there yet...

    Take Delhomme ,who's finally  playing out of his funk over Henne who's funkin' down.

    Ricky Williams has  penchant for under achieving ,having load on his shoulders.

    Ironic for a Brownless,declawed Wildcat team heading into Panther country, where cat will eat fish ,all night long.

    PANTHERS BY 13

      
        BOLA
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    Looking at recent past performances...

    Which team is on the rise,while one seems to have shot their load ?

    Fins barely dodged lowly Bucs bullet.

    With Healthy Brown, zzzzcat offense needed 2 kickoff returns to beat mediocre Jets team.

    Miami LG Smiley,DB Tyrone C are questionable +

    Brown,Fassano,Soliani,Walden are OUT.

    Few challenges John Fox has not met and answered being winningest coach in Panthers history.

    Hats off to Sparano but you aint there yet...

    Take Delhomme ,who's finally  playing out of his funk over Henne who's funkin' down.

    Ricky Williams has  penchant for under achieving ,having load on his shoulders.

    Ironic for a Brownless,declawed Wildcat team heading into Panther country, where cat will eat fish ,all night long.

    PANTHERS BY 13

      
        BOLA
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 4:00 PM ET #55

    Going with the mia dol+3 Ronnie brown was only  part of their offense which  IMO Ricky will pick up   he knows  everyone in the nation will have their eyes on him to see if  he can show up when a team member goes down, as in this case.

     

     

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    Going with the mia dol+3 Ronnie brown was only  part of their offense which  IMO Ricky will pick up   he knows  everyone in the nation will have their eyes on him to see if  he can show up when a team member goes down, as in this case.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 4:18 PM ET #56

    I'm backing the Panthers here and easypics already mentioned the directions both teams are headed, but for me, it mostly comes down to being completely unimpressed with a Dolphins offense which does not have an identity right now.

    The most dangerous component going for them last weekend was Ronnie Brown in the wildcat, which, for some perplexing reason they almost completely went away from after their first drive.  And now, it's all Ricky.  Hey, Ricky's a nice back and a young 32 and we all know he can make some plays but he certainly can't carry them.

    They should have been able to run all over Tampa Bay (30 v. the run?) even after Ronnie Brown went down, and they didn't.  Which is why I don't expect them to be able to run all over Carolina.

    To me, they liked like a team struggling to find other ways to move the ball on offense and I'm sorry, but it ain't gonna' happen through the air.  Penne's a nice quarterback but their most dangerous big strike receiver can't catch the football.

    Devone Bass is an excellent route runner but overall, the weapons just aren't there for them.  So if the Panthers run that no-huddle again, get it going and get a lead, how do they come back?

    Also, the Pat White experiement is almost exactly like the Micheal Vick experiment right now.  It usually doesn't work and takes opportunities away from the other guys.

    And if that team as a whole, comes into this game with the same lackluster attitude they had against the Bucs, they're gonna' get blown out.  They let the Bucs hang around, got very little pressure on the rookie qb as the game worn on and low and behold, they got behind and were very fortunate to get that win.

    It sounds to me as though the Panthers can manage pass protection despite the key loss on the O-Line.  And now we're hearing that both Stewart and DeAngelo are playing.

    I just think Carolina is playing better football right now and believes, after nearly beating New Orleans and taking down Atlanta in their division that they still have a shot at the playoffs.

    To me, given all the circumstances (and as anemic as that Dolphin offense is right now), the Panthers by 4 is not a stretch here.
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    I'm backing the Panthers here and easypics already mentioned the directions both teams are headed, but for me, it mostly comes down to being completely unimpressed with a Dolphins offense which does not have an identity right now.

    The most dangerous component going for them last weekend was Ronnie Brown in the wildcat, which, for some perplexing reason they almost completely went away from after their first drive.  And now, it's all Ricky.  Hey, Ricky's a nice back and a young 32 and we all know he can make some plays but he certainly can't carry them.

    They should have been able to run all over Tampa Bay (30 v. the run?) even after Ronnie Brown went down, and they didn't.  Which is why I don't expect them to be able to run all over Carolina.

    To me, they liked like a team struggling to find other ways to move the ball on offense and I'm sorry, but it ain't gonna' happen through the air.  Penne's a nice quarterback but their most dangerous big strike receiver can't catch the football.

    Devone Bass is an excellent route runner but overall, the weapons just aren't there for them.  So if the Panthers run that no-huddle again, get it going and get a lead, how do they come back?

    Also, the Pat White experiement is almost exactly like the Micheal Vick experiment right now.  It usually doesn't work and takes opportunities away from the other guys.

    And if that team as a whole, comes into this game with the same lackluster attitude they had against the Bucs, they're gonna' get blown out.  They let the Bucs hang around, got very little pressure on the rookie qb as the game worn on and low and behold, they got behind and were very fortunate to get that win.

    It sounds to me as though the Panthers can manage pass protection despite the key loss on the O-Line.  And now we're hearing that both Stewart and DeAngelo are playing.

    I just think Carolina is playing better football right now and believes, after nearly beating New Orleans and taking down Atlanta in their division that they still have a shot at the playoffs.

    To me, given all the circumstances (and as anemic as that Dolphin offense is right now), the Panthers by 4 is not a stretch here.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 4:38 PM ET #57

    Mimai has had five home games: five overs.  They have had four road games: three unders (and the only over, Jets was 3-3 at halftime).  I'm sensing a trend.

    Carlina has had NO games without a least one half under.

    1st Half under

    if it doesn’t hit

    chase 2nd Half under

     

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    Mimai has had five home games: five overs.  They have had four road games: three unders (and the only over, Jets was 3-3 at halftime).  I'm sensing a trend.

    Carlina has had NO games without a least one half under.

    1st Half under

    if it doesn’t hit

    chase 2nd Half under

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 4:58 PM ET #58

    where is bdaddy.  
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    where is bdaddy.  
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 5:00 PM ET #59

    car and under win all or even
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    car and under win all or even
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 5:24 PM ET #60

    Like Miami 1st half. Thinking it will take Carolina a full half to make adjustments to handle the Wildcat. Plus my book has Miami+3 at the half which is the same as the game. GLTA

    MIAMI+3 1st half (2.5 units)

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    Like Miami 1st half. Thinking it will take Carolina a full half to make adjustments to handle the Wildcat. Plus my book has Miami+3 at the half which is the same as the game. GLTA

    MIAMI+3 1st half (2.5 units)

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 5:46 PM ET #61

    Carolina -3.5 and should be easy!

    No ronnie brown is bad news for the phins, and Carolina is on the upward trend. Normally this would be a six point advantage for the home team so, take them at a discount and win!   

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    Carolina -3.5 and should be easy!

    No ronnie brown is bad news for the phins, and Carolina is on the upward trend. Normally this would be a six point advantage for the home team so, take them at a discount and win!   

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:08 PM ET #62

    Panthers Roll and Cover at Home
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    Panthers Roll and Cover at Home
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:14 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by 082278:

    where is bdaddy.  

    The Mrs. having surgery, according BDaddy last week.

    Hope she will soon recover and let BDaddy back to the board.

    BOL 2nite

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 082278:

    where is bdaddy.  

    The Mrs. having surgery, according BDaddy last week.

    Hope she will soon recover and let BDaddy back to the board.

    BOL 2nite

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:22 PM ET #64

    ESPN:

    1.) If Ronnie Brown were healthy Carolina would only be favored by 51 percent, but without Brown the Panthers are a more solid 57 percent favorite.

    2.) Ricky Williams should have a big game with a 40 percent chance of rushing for 75+ yards and 1+ TDs. If Williams can do this the Dolphins are actually 60 percent favorites. However, if Williams is held under 75 yards the Dolphins only have a 20 percent chance.

    3.) Jake Delhomme has not thrown an INT in 3 games. He has a 37 percent chance of throwing 0 INTs this week and if he does the Panthers are 73 percent favorites. If Delhomme throws 2 or more INTs the Panthers are winning just 33 percent.

    LOVE THE PANTHERS TO SQUEAK BY WITH A WIN AT HOME

    31-27

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    ESPN:

    1.) If Ronnie Brown were healthy Carolina would only be favored by 51 percent, but without Brown the Panthers are a more solid 57 percent favorite.

    2.) Ricky Williams should have a big game with a 40 percent chance of rushing for 75+ yards and 1+ TDs. If Williams can do this the Dolphins are actually 60 percent favorites. However, if Williams is held under 75 yards the Dolphins only have a 20 percent chance.

    3.) Jake Delhomme has not thrown an INT in 3 games. He has a 37 percent chance of throwing 0 INTs this week and if he does the Panthers are 73 percent favorites. If Delhomme throws 2 or more INTs the Panthers are winning just 33 percent.

    LOVE THE PANTHERS TO SQUEAK BY WITH A WIN AT HOME

    31-27

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:25 PM ET #65

     Don't get overwhelmed on the road: Thursday night games are very difficult on players' bodies, and this would tend to favor the home team. Compounding matters, the Dolphins have won only one game on the road this year. They also are not well-equipped to play from behind, so starting fast is important on this national stage.
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     Don't get overwhelmed on the road: Thursday night games are very difficult on players' bodies, and this would tend to favor the home team. Compounding matters, the Dolphins have won only one game on the road this year. They also are not well-equipped to play from behind, so starting fast is important on this national stage.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:27 PM ET #66

    The ‘over’ is 6-3 overall for the ‘Fins, but they have seen the ‘under’ cash at a 3-1 clip in their road assignments. With that said, the ‘over’ is 5-1 in Miami’s last six games (regardless of venue). Meanwhile, Carolina has watched the ‘over’ go 5-4 overall, 2-2 in its home games

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    The ‘over’ is 6-3 overall for the ‘Fins, but they have seen the ‘under’ cash at a 3-1 clip in their road assignments. With that said, the ‘over’ is 5-1 in Miami’s last six games (regardless of venue). Meanwhile, Carolina has watched the ‘over’ go 5-4 overall, 2-2 in its home games

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:40 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by Coverdatspred:

    Miami will not miss Ronnie Brown in this game as much as Carolina will miss starting Tackle Jordan Gross who is out of the season after an injury last week.  They will have to jumble their offensive line up to make up for this loss.  Ricky Williams will fill in just fine here this evening and will probably be able to run wild against the leagues 25th ranked defense. 

    Gross was a huge part of what Carolina likes to do in the running and passing game and will be sorely missed.  Delhomme is already a skiddish QB and now his main man for protecting his blindside is gone. 

    Miami should be able to hold their own on defense because Carolina likes to do what?  Run run run......Miami has the leagues 7th best defense against the run.  Force Jake to throw the ball and he WILL turn it over.

    Give me Miami +3 here all day

    GL everyone 


    Do you know why he is not listed on the injury report???  I hate when they do this, obviously he is very crucial to Car's Offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coverdatspred:

    Miami will not miss Ronnie Brown in this game as much as Carolina will miss starting Tackle Jordan Gross who is out of the season after an injury last week.  They will have to jumble their offensive line up to make up for this loss.  Ricky Williams will fill in just fine here this evening and will probably be able to run wild against the leagues 25th ranked defense. 

    Gross was a huge part of what Carolina likes to do in the running and passing game and will be sorely missed.  Delhomme is already a skiddish QB and now his main man for protecting his blindside is gone. 

    Miami should be able to hold their own on defense because Carolina likes to do what?  Run run run......Miami has the leagues 7th best defense against the run.  Force Jake to throw the ball and he WILL turn it over.

    Give me Miami +3 here all day

    GL everyone 


    Do you know why he is not listed on the injury report???  I hate when they do this, obviously he is very crucial to Car's Offense.
     
    steelersrule
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:41 PM ET #68

    panthers -3.5 game

     

    over 21 first half

     

    gl all

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    panthers -3.5 game

     

    over 21 first half

     

    gl all

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:43 PM ET #69

    Leaning towards Miami +3.5.
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    Leaning towards Miami +3.5.
     
    Philly215
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:43 PM ET #70

    Liking the under here, two running teams will drain the clock.

    Panthers 24 - 17

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    Liking the under here, two running teams will drain the clock.

    Panthers 24 - 17

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:46 PM ET #71

    Agree Mon-E...Panthers have faced far stiffer opposition home and on the road with Falcons being their latest victim..And they have a good rush defence which should force Henne to do more..Not good...
    PANTHERS-3.5


    BOLA

    Hermano EP...Fine markmanship with that Parlay français the other day..Should of done the elephant and tailed..Instead I did the Meerkat macarena..Well Done


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    Agree Mon-E...Panthers have faced far stiffer opposition home and on the road with Falcons being their latest victim..And they have a good rush defence which should force Henne to do more..Not good...
    PANTHERS-3.5


    BOLA

    Hermano EP...Fine markmanship with that Parlay français the other day..Should of done the elephant and tailed..Instead I did the Meerkat macarena..Well Done


     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 6:55 PM ET #72

    CAR -3 and Over 42
    GLTA 
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    CAR -3 and Over 42
    GLTA 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 7:03 PM ET #73

    also prop bet: panthers win by 14-17 points  +1200
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    also prop bet: panthers win by 14-17 points  +1200
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 7:14 PM ET #74

    Stewart and Williams are BOTH playing tonight

    im hammering Carolina -3.5

     

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    Stewart and Williams are BOTH playing tonight

    im hammering Carolina -3.5

     

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 7:17 PM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by steelersrule:

    also prop bet: panthers win by 14-17 points  +1200

    Good bet! I think you have a chance.

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelersrule:

    also prop bet: panthers win by 14-17 points  +1200

    Good bet! I think you have a chance.

    good luck

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