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    Denver at Baltimore (12/16/2012)

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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2012 - 11:59 PM ET #1

    Away:  Denver [7-6 ATS]
    Home:  Baltimore [5-7-1 ATS]

    Game Time: 1:00 PM
    Stadium: M&T Bank Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Denver:
    Passing: Peyton Manning (3812)
    Rushing: Willis McGahee (731)
    Receiving: Demaryius Thomas (1197)

    Baltimore:
    Passing: Joe Flacco (3220)
    Rushing: Ray Rice (993)
    Receiving: Anquan Boldin (828)

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    Away:  Denver [7-6 ATS]
    Home:  Baltimore [5-7-1 ATS]

    Game Time: 1:00 PM
    Stadium: M&T Bank Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    N/A

    Team Leaders:

    Denver:
    Passing: Peyton Manning (3812)
    Rushing: Willis McGahee (731)
    Receiving: Demaryius Thomas (1197)

    Baltimore:
    Passing: Joe Flacco (3220)
    Rushing: Ray Rice (993)
    Receiving: Anquan Boldin (828)

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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2012 - 11:26 AM ET #2

    Balti getting points at home?

    Did I read this correct?

    Wow..

     

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    Balti getting points at home?

    Did I read this correct?

    Wow..

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2012 - 11:45 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Culls17:

    Balti getting points at home?

    Did I read this correct?

    Wow..

     

    Yep. Vegas is now realizing what I've noticed for weeks now. Baltimore just isn't that good. And with the firing of Cameron, this team is desperately trying to regain control. Don't be surprised if they end up a wild card team.

    Denver -2.5 Large
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culls17:

    Balti getting points at home?

    Did I read this correct?

    Wow..

     

    Yep. Vegas is now realizing what I've noticed for weeks now. Baltimore just isn't that good. And with the firing of Cameron, this team is desperately trying to regain control. Don't be surprised if they end up a wild card team.

    Denver -2.5 Large
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2012 - 11:57 AM ET #4

    Not as good as most expected but will still win the division. Lucky for the Ravens is that Steelers is playing worse.
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    Not as good as most expected but will still win the division. Lucky for the Ravens is that Steelers is playing worse.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2012 - 2:04 PM ET #5

    Ravens might win the division due to the fact of a weak division. But fading the ravens the last couple of weeks has been successful. So I'll keep on that same pace for this week and next week against the Manning bros. They might get one more win before the end of season against the browns but that's to be determined. 
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    Ravens might win the division due to the fact of a weak division. But fading the ravens the last couple of weeks has been successful. So I'll keep on that same pace for this week and next week against the Manning bros. They might get one more win before the end of season against the browns but that's to be determined. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2012 - 5:18 PM ET #6

    RAVENS HAD THE LAST TWO IN HAND BEFORE BLOWING IT AT THE END, AGAINST QUALTIY OPPONENTS.  I WOULDN'T COUNT THEM OUT JUST YET.
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    RAVENS HAD THE LAST TWO IN HAND BEFORE BLOWING IT AT THE END, AGAINST QUALTIY OPPONENTS.  I WOULDN'T COUNT THEM OUT JUST YET.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2012 - 10:36 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLiens007:

    Ravens might win the division due to the fact of a weak division. But fading the ravens the last couple of weeks has been successful. So I'll keep on that same pace for this week and next week against the Manning bros. They might get one more win before the end of season against the browns but that's to be determined. 

    Ravens play the Bengal the final game of the season. They've already beaten the Browns twice

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLiens007:

    Ravens might win the division due to the fact of a weak division. But fading the ravens the last couple of weeks has been successful. So I'll keep on that same pace for this week and next week against the Manning bros. They might get one more win before the end of season against the browns but that's to be determined. 

    Ravens play the Bengal the final game of the season. They've already beaten the Browns twice

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 1:42 PM ET #8

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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 1:47 PM ET #9

             Hello everyone. Im 10-3 in my last 13 betting picks. I did like the Broncos as a small underdog but not here. They should not be favorites in Baltimore with Harbaugh coaching the team. I like the Ravens to win this game because there is a lot of motivation for them to win after the 2 losses they had back to back and I believe this game will go over the total. Happy Holidays to everyone!
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             Hello everyone. Im 10-3 in my last 13 betting picks. I did like the Broncos as a small underdog but not here. They should not be favorites in Baltimore with Harbaugh coaching the team. I like the Ravens to win this game because there is a lot of motivation for them to win after the 2 losses they had back to back and I believe this game will go over the total. Happy Holidays to everyone!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 3:45 PM ET #10

    Thanks Vegas, your just throwing more and MORE Gas on the Fire here. After losing @ home to Pittsburgh, then the OT loss against the skins,(took Pitt too lightly W/out Big Ben, and BS calls vs wash), your gonna make them underdogs @ home!?? They'll come out playing their best game of the season now..Everyone is trashing them right now. I hope they make a statement and prove everyone wrong.

    I hope Im not the only one noticing this, but Peyton's arm just isnt the same, its not. His throws are getting much weaker downfield. Hes still a Genious and First ballet HOF, probably the best QB ever in my eyes when its all saids and done, but his arm is fading. He also doesnt have the luxury of throwing in a dome 8 games a year anymore.

    Its gonna be freezing cold, windy, and hostile. This favors Baltimore, not to mention theyre Home Dogs. Im taking the Fierce & Pissed off Ravens with something to prove at +3....GL All

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    Thanks Vegas, your just throwing more and MORE Gas on the Fire here. After losing @ home to Pittsburgh, then the OT loss against the skins,(took Pitt too lightly W/out Big Ben, and BS calls vs wash), your gonna make them underdogs @ home!?? They'll come out playing their best game of the season now..Everyone is trashing them right now. I hope they make a statement and prove everyone wrong.

    I hope Im not the only one noticing this, but Peyton's arm just isnt the same, its not. His throws are getting much weaker downfield. Hes still a Genious and First ballet HOF, probably the best QB ever in my eyes when its all saids and done, but his arm is fading. He also doesnt have the luxury of throwing in a dome 8 games a year anymore.

    Its gonna be freezing cold, windy, and hostile. This favors Baltimore, not to mention theyre Home Dogs. Im taking the Fierce & Pissed off Ravens with something to prove at +3....GL All

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 6:50 PM ET #11

    Hard to trust the Ravens offense.  Caldwell leading your offense is a major step back from Cam Cameron.  Flacco can't get it done again.  Peyton wins a close one.  Broncos -3

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    Hard to trust the Ravens offense.  Caldwell leading your offense is a major step back from Cam Cameron.  Flacco can't get it done again.  Peyton wins a close one.  Broncos -3

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 8:24 PM ET #12

    WELLL WELL WELL...... The RAVENS are home dogs in this DIV. game how ballzzzzy. vegas are do they know some thing we dont no oh ya i almost for got payton manning is coming to town but they for got that he dont live in that zip code an in you on back your the under dogs gooood luck DEN

     

     

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    WELLL WELL WELL...... The RAVENS are home dogs in this DIV. game how ballzzzzy. vegas are do they know some thing we dont no oh ya i almost for got payton manning is coming to town but they for got that he dont live in that zip code an in you on back your the under dogs gooood luck DEN

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 9:40 PM ET #13

    Since starting his career 0-2 vs the Ravens, Peyton Manning has won 8 straight in series with 4 of those 8 being in Baltimore. Denver has the #4 Offense & #4 Defense while the Ravens are ranked 18th in Offense & 24th in Defense. Adding Jim Caldwell as Offensive Coordinator this week is very interesting considering he has NEVER called an offensive play in the NFL or College. The weather is suppose to be in the mid 60's & raining. I trust Peyton Manning & Jack Del Rio's defense in this big game. Denver knows they can't lose another game if they even want a shot at getting the #2 seed & I think the Ravens have a good chance of losing the rest of their games. Ravens defense isn't what it use to be (even before the injuries they were ranked in mid 20's in defense) & the offense just isn't reliable.
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    Since starting his career 0-2 vs the Ravens, Peyton Manning has won 8 straight in series with 4 of those 8 being in Baltimore. Denver has the #4 Offense & #4 Defense while the Ravens are ranked 18th in Offense & 24th in Defense. Adding Jim Caldwell as Offensive Coordinator this week is very interesting considering he has NEVER called an offensive play in the NFL or College. The weather is suppose to be in the mid 60's & raining. I trust Peyton Manning & Jack Del Rio's defense in this big game. Denver knows they can't lose another game if they even want a shot at getting the #2 seed & I think the Ravens have a good chance of losing the rest of their games. Ravens defense isn't what it use to be (even before the injuries they were ranked in mid 20's in defense) & the offense just isn't reliable.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 9:43 PM ET #14

    And a 58% to 42% Joe Public pick %?

    I am liking Balti more and more.

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    And a 58% to 42% Joe Public pick %?

    I am liking Balti more and more.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2012 - 10:25 PM ET #15

        I said 2 years ago, they had to dump Cam Cameron. As a big Ravens fan, we can finally have Flacco able to show his true potential.  I hate going against my Ravens, and especially I hate taking the Broncos playing ANY NFC team. But the offensive transition is not going to materialize instantly in less than a week. And the way that Denver is clicking, although it appears a tight game, Mr. Manning will pull out the cover in this spot.

    DENVER  - 3

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        I said 2 years ago, they had to dump Cam Cameron. As a big Ravens fan, we can finally have Flacco able to show his true potential.  I hate going against my Ravens, and especially I hate taking the Broncos playing ANY NFC team. But the offensive transition is not going to materialize instantly in less than a week. And the way that Denver is clicking, although it appears a tight game, Mr. Manning will pull out the cover in this spot.

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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 12:36 AM ET #16

    EVERYONE IS ON THE PEYTON MANNING BANDWAGON. IDK IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, BUT BALTIMORE IS PRETTY GOOD AT HOME. OBVIOUSLY MANNING ON ONE LEG IS BETTER THAN FLACCO, BUT THE RAVENS RUNNING GAME SHOULD GIVE THE RAVENS ONE OF TWO THINGS, AN EASY COVER, OR AN OUTRIGHT WIN.
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    EVERYONE IS ON THE PEYTON MANNING BANDWAGON. IDK IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, BUT BALTIMORE IS PRETTY GOOD AT HOME. OBVIOUSLY MANNING ON ONE LEG IS BETTER THAN FLACCO, BUT THE RAVENS RUNNING GAME SHOULD GIVE THE RAVENS ONE OF TWO THINGS, AN EASY COVER, OR AN OUTRIGHT WIN.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 1:04 AM ET #17

    DENVER  - 2.5

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    DENVER  - 2.5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 3:52 AM ET #18

    no no no.....    peyton manning in december.   broncos -2.5 is the play..    forget the fact the ravens r pissed off.   the better team wins and covers this sunday..    demaryius equals x factor.   tell me who will cover him.


    broncos 31 ravens 20
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    no no no.....    peyton manning in december.   broncos -2.5 is the play..    forget the fact the ravens r pissed off.   the better team wins and covers this sunday..    demaryius equals x factor.   tell me who will cover him.


    broncos 31 ravens 20
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 10:46 AM ET #19

    Balt son!
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    Balt son!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 1:07 PM ET #20

    I can't think of anything really positive to say about the situation in Baltimore. Their linebackers are decimated by injuries (even McClain, the backup for Ray Lewis is banged up). They will also be without the services of starting right guard Marshal Yanda. To fill his void, they will have to move starting right tackle Kelechi Osemele to right guard and bring in veteran Bryant McKinnie off the bench to play right tackle. He will draw the always fun assignment of trying to block Von Miller, who is starting to play like Derrick Thomas did in his prime. And as everyone knows, their offensive cordinator has just been let go, and you know how I feel about coaching changes during a season. 

    Lets just say there's probably a lot of soul searching going on in Baltimore these days. They have no doubt had a nice serving of humble pie after losing to their hated rival Steelers and to the Redskins. And now they will have to play a well-rested Denver team that is on 8-game winning streak and just played a cake-walk of a game against the Raiders last Thursday night. All the angles and databases in existance will probably lean towards backing Denver this Sunday, and I can't blame them. 

    With all that being said, I think the Ravens are still the play here. The Broncos have some high class problems. They are worried about being a 2 or a 3 seed. Their last 2 games should be easy wins for them, as they will host the Browns and Chiefs. At 10-3, this is hardly a must win game for them, and I think its more likely that they take their foot off the gas this week. I don't like the chances of that 8-game winning streak continuing against a desperate Baltimore team that has only lost twice at home in the last 2 years. Conincidently, those 2 loses at home since 2010 have came at the hands of the Steelers. I am not prepared to say that the Baltimore is going to lose their 3rd consecutive game, and lose back-to-back home games. This team went undefeated on the road last year nad only lost once in the 2010-2011 season!! Now Vegas thinks they are going to drop 2 home games in a row?? That seems like a long shot to me.  

    To top it off, the Broncos offense hasn't played in a hostile environment in quite some time. Winning on the road is always tough in the NFL. But lets take a look at the past few times the Broncos have travelled. Their last 5 road games were against the Raiders, Chiefs, Panthers, Bengals, and Chargers.  Nothing against those cities, but they are far from what I would consider a tough road environment!! Only 1 of those teams is even in playoff contention!! When the Broncos played at New England & Atlanta, their offense struggled to move the ball. Thats because the Broncos rely heavily on premarket reads and audibles from the sheriff. When they play in a real hostile environment like Gillette Stadium or the Georgia Dome, they have lost. I expect M&T Bank Stadium to be as loud as it has ever been all season as this will definitely have a playoff atmosphere. And I think the Ravens will feed off their energy, as their backs are to the wall, and they will desperately try to right their ship with the Giants at Metlife on deck next week. 

    This game means everything to Baltimore & doesn't really mean much to Denver with 2 more cake-walk games scheduled at Mile High after this game (Browns and Chiefs). I look for Denver to finish the season at 12-4 after losing to the Ravens this Sunday.    

    I will be going hot and heavy on the RAVENS!!!   
     
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    I can't think of anything really positive to say about the situation in Baltimore. Their linebackers are decimated by injuries (even McClain, the backup for Ray Lewis is banged up). They will also be without the services of starting right guard Marshal Yanda. To fill his void, they will have to move starting right tackle Kelechi Osemele to right guard and bring in veteran Bryant McKinnie off the bench to play right tackle. He will draw the always fun assignment of trying to block Von Miller, who is starting to play like Derrick Thomas did in his prime. And as everyone knows, their offensive cordinator has just been let go, and you know how I feel about coaching changes during a season. 

    Lets just say there's probably a lot of soul searching going on in Baltimore these days. They have no doubt had a nice serving of humble pie after losing to their hated rival Steelers and to the Redskins. And now they will have to play a well-rested Denver team that is on 8-game winning streak and just played a cake-walk of a game against the Raiders last Thursday night. All the angles and databases in existance will probably lean towards backing Denver this Sunday, and I can't blame them. 

    With all that being said, I think the Ravens are still the play here. The Broncos have some high class problems. They are worried about being a 2 or a 3 seed. Their last 2 games should be easy wins for them, as they will host the Browns and Chiefs. At 10-3, this is hardly a must win game for them, and I think its more likely that they take their foot off the gas this week. I don't like the chances of that 8-game winning streak continuing against a desperate Baltimore team that has only lost twice at home in the last 2 years. Conincidently, those 2 loses at home since 2010 have came at the hands of the Steelers. I am not prepared to say that the Baltimore is going to lose their 3rd consecutive game, and lose back-to-back home games. This team went undefeated on the road last year nad only lost once in the 2010-2011 season!! Now Vegas thinks they are going to drop 2 home games in a row?? That seems like a long shot to me.  

    To top it off, the Broncos offense hasn't played in a hostile environment in quite some time. Winning on the road is always tough in the NFL. But lets take a look at the past few times the Broncos have travelled. Their last 5 road games were against the Raiders, Chiefs, Panthers, Bengals, and Chargers.  Nothing against those cities, but they are far from what I would consider a tough road environment!! Only 1 of those teams is even in playoff contention!! When the Broncos played at New England & Atlanta, their offense struggled to move the ball. Thats because the Broncos rely heavily on premarket reads and audibles from the sheriff. When they play in a real hostile environment like Gillette Stadium or the Georgia Dome, they have lost. I expect M&T Bank Stadium to be as loud as it has ever been all season as this will definitely have a playoff atmosphere. And I think the Ravens will feed off their energy, as their backs are to the wall, and they will desperately try to right their ship with the Giants at Metlife on deck next week. 

    This game means everything to Baltimore & doesn't really mean much to Denver with 2 more cake-walk games scheduled at Mile High after this game (Browns and Chiefs). I look for Denver to finish the season at 12-4 after losing to the Ravens this Sunday.    

    I will be going hot and heavy on the RAVENS!!!   
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 2:55 PM ET #21

    sammy!
    i follow your pick all the time, you are a good one.
    but why the hell ravens get 3 points at home? 
    do i go with moneyline on ravens?
    i am thinking to put 20k on ravens moneyline.
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    sammy!
    i follow your pick all the time, you are a good one.
    but why the hell ravens get 3 points at home? 
    do i go with moneyline on ravens?
    i am thinking to put 20k on ravens moneyline.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 3:01 PM ET #22

    or baltimore are not the sameteam like they used to be?
    thats the big question. peyton manning when he was with the colts
    beat them on their soil each time he played there i think.
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    or baltimore are not the sameteam like they used to be?
    thats the big question. peyton manning when he was with the colts
    beat them on their soil each time he played there i think.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 4:54 PM ET #23

    I believe I had a couple typos in there. I meant to say Baltimore has only lost twice at home since the 2010 season began. The point I was trying to make is that I can't see them dropping back-to-back home games even with all the injuries. Plus, i think the odds of the broncos winning 9 straight are unlikely. Especially, given that this is far from a must win situation. They have 2 easy home games at mile high coming up and i like them to take care of business at home. This will be the first real hostile environment for the Broncos since they played at New England in week 5. I think this is a classic case of the wrong chalk. Public perception on Denver is a little inflated. The Broncos schedule has been a joke the 2nd half of the season, and kudos to them for winning the games they are supposed to win. I think playing at Baltimore with the Ravens in a must win situation will be a resl test that will bring them back to earth.  The Ravens should be laying 2.5 in this situation. They desperately need this win and I expect them to outplay Denver on Sunday.
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    I believe I had a couple typos in there. I meant to say Baltimore has only lost twice at home since the 2010 season began. The point I was trying to make is that I can't see them dropping back-to-back home games even with all the injuries. Plus, i think the odds of the broncos winning 9 straight are unlikely. Especially, given that this is far from a must win situation. They have 2 easy home games at mile high coming up and i like them to take care of business at home. This will be the first real hostile environment for the Broncos since they played at New England in week 5. I think this is a classic case of the wrong chalk. Public perception on Denver is a little inflated. The Broncos schedule has been a joke the 2nd half of the season, and kudos to them for winning the games they are supposed to win. I think playing at Baltimore with the Ravens in a must win situation will be a resl test that will bring them back to earth.  The Ravens should be laying 2.5 in this situation. They desperately need this win and I expect them to outplay Denver on Sunday.
     
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    I agree fully with you Sammy_Ace
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    I agree fully with you Sammy_Ace
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2012 - 12:31 AM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:

    I believe I had a couple typos in there. I meant to say Baltimore has only lost twice at home since the 2010 season began. The point I was trying to make is that I can't see them dropping back-to-back home games even with all the injuries. Plus, i think the odds of the broncos winning 9 straight are unlikely. Especially, given that this is far from a must win situation. They have 2 easy home games at mile high coming up and i like them to take care of business at home. This will be the first real hostile environment for the Broncos since they played at New England in week 5. I think this is a classic case of the wrong chalk. Public perception on Denver is a little inflated. The Broncos schedule has been a joke the 2nd half of the season, and kudos to them for winning the games they are supposed to win. I think playing at Baltimore with the Ravens in a must win situation will be a resl test that will bring them back to earth.  The Ravens should be laying 2.5 in this situation. They desperately need this win and I expect them to outplay Denver on Sunday.
    Excellent right up Sammy like always! i fully agree with you, one question though, do you recommend locking up the +3 right now or wait to see i it goes a little higher? the public is hitting denver almost 60%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:

    I believe I had a couple typos in there. I meant to say Baltimore has only lost twice at home since the 2010 season began. The point I was trying to make is that I can't see them dropping back-to-back home games even with all the injuries. Plus, i think the odds of the broncos winning 9 straight are unlikely. Especially, given that this is far from a must win situation. They have 2 easy home games at mile high coming up and i like them to take care of business at home. This will be the first real hostile environment for the Broncos since they played at New England in week 5. I think this is a classic case of the wrong chalk. Public perception on Denver is a little inflated. The Broncos schedule has been a joke the 2nd half of the season, and kudos to them for winning the games they are supposed to win. I think playing at Baltimore with the Ravens in a must win situation will be a resl test that will bring them back to earth.  The Ravens should be laying 2.5 in this situation. They desperately need this win and I expect them to outplay Denver on Sunday.
    Excellent right up Sammy like always! i fully agree with you, one question though, do you recommend locking up the +3 right now or wait to see i it goes a little higher? the public is hitting denver almost 60%
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