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    Yes, wearing masks is PROVEN effective to reduce covid-19 spread

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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 6:13 AM ET #26

    Death rate way down 

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    Death rate way down 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 6:36 AM ET #27

    Death rate climbing again

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    Death rate climbing again

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 7:16 AM ET #28

    Right now as we speak,

    Yahoo news has an online poll going with nearly 44,500 votes cast, asking:

    Should there be a nationwide mask mandate in the U.S.?

    79% YES!

     21%   no

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    Right now as we speak,

    Yahoo news has an online poll going with nearly 44,500 votes cast, asking:

    Should there be a nationwide mask mandate in the U.S.?

    79% YES!

     21%   no

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 7:21 AM ET #29

    Death rate Canada: 5.1% 

    Death rate UK: 6.0% 

    Death rate Italy: 8.6% 

    Death rate China: 5.2% 

    Death rate US: 2.7% 

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

     

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    Death rate Canada: 5.1% 

    Death rate UK: 6.0% 

    Death rate Italy: 8.6% 

    Death rate China: 5.2% 

    Death rate US: 2.7% 

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 7:26 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Death rate climbing again

    Actually, the current level of new cases is eclipsing the July levels,

    according to the latest NBC News analysis, and that means the death rate will rise in 2-3 weeks.

    Nearly 74,000 cases were reported on Tuesday.

    And the U.S. has been averaging 71,000 new cases per day over the past week,

    which is the most in any seven-day stretch since the crisis started in March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Death rate climbing again

    Actually, the current level of new cases is eclipsing the July levels,

    according to the latest NBC News analysis, and that means the death rate will rise in 2-3 weeks.

    Nearly 74,000 cases were reported on Tuesday.

    And the U.S. has been averaging 71,000 new cases per day over the past week,

    which is the most in any seven-day stretch since the crisis started in March.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 7:35 AM ET #31

    Why does that mean the death rate will rise 

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    Why does that mean the death rate will rise 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 7:40 AM ET #32

    Europe has been over 200,000 cases per day since October 22, peaking at 244,000 on October 26. 

    Why do they have so many more cases than the US? 

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    Europe has been over 200,000 cases per day since October 22, peaking at 244,000 on October 26. 

    Why do they have so many more cases than the US? 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 7:52 AM ET #33

    When people just parrot talking points it’s obvious — because they can’t answer questions. 

    They have no real understanding of what they’re talking about. 

    Crying, blocking, ignoring or dodging the question by calling you a racist are some of the more common tactics used. 

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    When people just parrot talking points it’s obvious — because they can’t answer questions. 

    They have no real understanding of what they’re talking about. 

    Crying, blocking, ignoring or dodging the question by calling you a racist are some of the more common tactics used. 

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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 8:45 AM ET #34

    October 28:

    Top 15 governments which have FAILED to protect their citizens.


    Covid death rates per million population:

    1036 Peru
    951 Belgium
    < big gap >
    758 Spain
    744 Brazil
    740 Bolivia
    732 Chile
    711 Ecuador
    703 trump's-denialist regime <--- 8th worst death rate per million pop!
    694 Mexico
    672 UK
    663 Argentina
    627 Italy
    614 Panama
    599 Columbia
    586 Sweden

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    October 28:

    Top 15 governments which have FAILED to protect their citizens.


    Covid death rates per million population:

    1036 Peru
    951 Belgium
    < big gap >
    758 Spain
    744 Brazil
    740 Bolivia
    732 Chile
    711 Ecuador
    703 trump's-denialist regime <--- 8th worst death rate per million pop!
    694 Mexico
    672 UK
    663 Argentina
    627 Italy
    614 Panama
    599 Columbia
    586 Sweden

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 8:53 AM ET #35

    Oct 28:
    And here are 4 countries - located in very close proximity to CHINA -
    who have acted responsibly and kept their death rates extremely LOW:

    Taiwan death toll                           = 0.3 per million
    Hong Kong death toll                     = 14 per million
    S. Korean death toll                       =  9 per million
    Japan death toll                            = 14 per million

    trump's REPUBLICAN regime = 703  per million

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    While some dummies will lament that there are 7 countries (of at least 4 million pop.) with death rates worse than ours, there are actually 129 countries with at least 4 million pop. and 121 are doing far better than the trump-regime!!  7  doing worse than trump 121 doing BETTER than trump   Bottom line.

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    Oct 28:
    And here are 4 countries - located in very close proximity to CHINA -
    who have acted responsibly and kept their death rates extremely LOW:

    Taiwan death toll                           = 0.3 per million
    Hong Kong death toll                     = 14 per million
    S. Korean death toll                       =  9 per million
    Japan death toll                            = 14 per million

    trump's REPUBLICAN regime = 703  per million

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    While some dummies will lament that there are 7 countries (of at least 4 million pop.) with death rates worse than ours, there are actually 129 countries with at least 4 million pop. and 121 are doing far better than the trump-regime!!  7  doing worse than trump 121 doing BETTER than trump   Bottom line.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 8:57 AM ET #36

    There are many more than 7 countries with a higher death rate than the United States 

    51 to be exact 

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

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    There are many more than 7 countries with a higher death rate than the United States 

    51 to be exact 

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 8:57 AM ET #37

    an_laughDummies 

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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:02 AM ET #38

    In its October report on cloth masks, CDC reports that the only RCT on cloth masks does “not favor use of cloth masks.”

    The cited RCT specifically cautioned against use of cloth masks.

    Science does not support cloth masks... only political leanings do.

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

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    In its October report on cloth masks, CDC reports that the only RCT on cloth masks does “not favor use of cloth masks.”

    The cited RCT specifically cautioned against use of cloth masks.

    Science does not support cloth masks... only political leanings do.

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:09 AM ET #39

    “To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks.”

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

    “This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.” 

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

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    “To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks.”

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

    “This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.” 

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:11 AM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    There are many more than 7 countries with a higher death rate than the United States  51 to be exact  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

    False, there are  7 countries with pop. more than 4 million that are worse than US.

    And 12 countries with pop more than 4 million that are doing waaaaaaaaaaay better than trump.

    Do masks help slow spread of COVID-19 in Kansas?
    One study says 'Yes,' by as much as 50%

    The Kansas City Star

    A University of Kansas study released this week backs up what health officials
    have been telling us for months: Masks do work by significantly slowing
    the spread of COVID-19.

    “We found a 50% reduction in the spread of COVID-19 in counties
    that had a mask mandate compared to those without,” Donna K. Ginther,
    director of the Institute for Policy and Social Research at KU, said.

    “Masks, it is important to note, do not eliminate COVID,
    but they significantly slow the spread of the disease ” she said.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    There are many more than 7 countries with a higher death rate than the United States  51 to be exact  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

    False, there are  7 countries with pop. more than 4 million that are worse than US.

    And 12 countries with pop more than 4 million that are doing waaaaaaaaaaay better than trump.

    Do masks help slow spread of COVID-19 in Kansas?
    One study says 'Yes,' by as much as 50%

    The Kansas City Star

    A University of Kansas study released this week backs up what health officials
    have been telling us for months: Masks do work by significantly slowing
    the spread of COVID-19.

    “We found a 50% reduction in the spread of COVID-19 in counties
    that had a mask mandate compared to those without,” Donna K. Ginther,
    director of the Institute for Policy and Social Research at KU, said.

    “Masks, it is important to note, do not eliminate COVID,
    but they significantly slow the spread of the disease ” she said.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:14 AM ET #41

    That’s false. Sounds like you don’t know how to calculate the death rate. It’s totally understandable.  This stuff can be confusing for people like yourself, that’s why I’m here to help guide you. 

    peace_5

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    That’s false. Sounds like you don’t know how to calculate the death rate. It’s totally understandable.  This stuff can be confusing for people like yourself, that’s why I’m here to help guide you. 

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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:17 AM ET #42

    This is a quote from the CDC 

    “To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks.” 

    This is a quote from the study the CDC is referencing 

    "This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection."

    What part of this are you having a hard time understanding? 

    an_popcorn

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    This is a quote from the CDC 

    “To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks.” 

    This is a quote from the study the CDC is referencing 

    "This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection."

    What part of this are you having a hard time understanding? 

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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:40 AM ET #43

    In epidemiology, a case fatality rate (CFR) — sometimes called case-fatality-risk
    or case-fatality-ratio — is the proportion of deaths from a certain disease compared
    to the total number of people diagnosed with the disease for a particular period.
    This not "death rate"
    Death rate is commonly used term to describe "deaths per million population"

    Hypothetical example that proves case-fatality rate (which is NOT "Death rate") is definitely NOT the best measure for the performance of a government in combating a pandemic...

    Country  A  has 330 million people

    they conduct 8,154,594 test - many repeated on the same UNafflicted people

    - and find 219,674 confirmed deaths for a ratio of deaths to TEST CASES of 2.7%

    Using this dumbass measure to judge performance
    we get 2.7 deaths to the number of tests performed,
    and as I stated --- many on the same UNaffected person

    Country B, with the same 330 million population,

    only tests 10 people and 5 died.
    By this measure, they have a 50% case-fatality rate.

    So, bottom line, which government is PERFORMING better at protecting their citizens?

    Country A with a 2.7% case-fatality-rate -- but 219,674 DEAD
    or
    Country B with a 50% case-fatality-rate -- but only 3 DEAD

    Some dummies here don’t know how to calculate the "death rate" so the substitute a useless stat for judging PERFORMANCE OF A GOVERNMENT and use the "case-fatality-rate" instead -- which can make a bad performance look much better through statistical sleight of hand.
    It’s totally understandable when supporting a fascist/racist/rapist/tax-fraud.
    This stuff can be confusing for people like them, that’s why I’m here to help guide those who are much more intelligent...
    NOTE: the death rate is often misapplied to the "case-fatality-rate" or "case-fatality-ratio" and sometimes used interchangably, but falsely.

     

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    In epidemiology, a case fatality rate (CFR) — sometimes called case-fatality-risk
    or case-fatality-ratio — is the proportion of deaths from a certain disease compared
    to the total number of people diagnosed with the disease for a particular period.
    This not "death rate"
    Death rate is commonly used term to describe "deaths per million population"

    Hypothetical example that proves case-fatality rate (which is NOT "Death rate") is definitely NOT the best measure for the performance of a government in combating a pandemic...

    Country  A  has 330 million people

    they conduct 8,154,594 test - many repeated on the same UNafflicted people

    - and find 219,674 confirmed deaths for a ratio of deaths to TEST CASES of 2.7%

    Using this dumbass measure to judge performance
    we get 2.7 deaths to the number of tests performed,
    and as I stated --- many on the same UNaffected person

    Country B, with the same 330 million population,

    only tests 10 people and 5 died.
    By this measure, they have a 50% case-fatality rate.

    So, bottom line, which government is PERFORMING better at protecting their citizens?

    Country A with a 2.7% case-fatality-rate -- but 219,674 DEAD
    or
    Country B with a 50% case-fatality-rate -- but only 3 DEAD

    Some dummies here don’t know how to calculate the "death rate" so the substitute a useless stat for judging PERFORMANCE OF A GOVERNMENT and use the "case-fatality-rate" instead -- which can make a bad performance look much better through statistical sleight of hand.
    It’s totally understandable when supporting a fascist/racist/rapist/tax-fraud.
    This stuff can be confusing for people like them, that’s why I’m here to help guide those who are much more intelligent...
    NOTE: the death rate is often misapplied to the "case-fatality-rate" or "case-fatality-ratio" and sometimes used interchangably, but falsely.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:42 AM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Do masks help slow spread of COVID-19 in Kansas?
    One study says 'Yes,' by as much as 50%

    What part of this an_popcorn  are you having a hard time understanding? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Do masks help slow spread of COVID-19 in Kansas?
    One study says 'Yes,' by as much as 50%

    What part of this an_popcorn  are you having a hard time understanding? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    This is a quote from the CDC  “To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks.”  This is a quote from the study the CDC is referencing  "This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection." What part of this are you having a hard time understanding?

    The whole issue on masks has been discussed verbatim in over 30 posts earlier in the summer .

    That's stated in the first paragraph of this thread

     

    It will not be repeated here just because YOU demand it... an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    This is a quote from the CDC  “To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks.”  This is a quote from the study the CDC is referencing  "This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection." What part of this are you having a hard time understanding?

    The whole issue on masks has been discussed verbatim in over 30 posts earlier in the summer .

    That's stated in the first paragraph of this thread

     

    It will not be repeated here just because YOU demand it... an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 9:47 AM ET #46

    Anyway my fellow intelligent NON-adolf lovers

    I too volunteer like Midnight1 (but UNlike anyone on the right)

    and my shift is today so I must leave until football time

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    Anyway my fellow intelligent NON-adolf lovers

    I too volunteer like Midnight1 (but UNlike anyone on the right)

    and my shift is today so I must leave until football time

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 10:10 AM ET #47

    It is not 2.7 deaths to the number of tests performed. 

    It isn’t even 2.7% of the number of tests performed. 

    It is 2.7 deaths for every 100 positive tests. 

    You sound clueless. 

    peace_5

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    It is not 2.7 deaths to the number of tests performed. 

    It isn’t even 2.7% of the number of tests performed. 

    It is 2.7 deaths for every 100 positive tests. 

    You sound clueless. 

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 10:45 AM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Anyway my fellow intelligent NON-adolf lovers I too volunteer like Midnight1 (but UNlike anyone on the right) and my shift is today so I must leave until football time

    Good job! an_clap 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Anyway my fellow intelligent NON-adolf lovers I too volunteer like Midnight1 (but UNlike anyone on the right) and my shift is today so I must leave until football time

    Good job! an_clap 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 12:56 PM ET #49

    Wearing a mask social distancing good hygiene practices reduce the spread of germs

     Not really a grey area there disinfecting surfaces sterilizing dishes. This isnt. A new concept does the mask stop dry spore no. No it doesn't. But within the humidity and moisture releasing from the lungs the filter will trap moisture in breath hence stopping the spread of infected molecules will a mask and gloves do it alone. No proper sanitaziation is also needed . 20 seconds of hand washing after using toilet facilities. Hand sanitizer after touching dirty surface avoid eye nose and mouth contact with hands.....

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    Wearing a mask social distancing good hygiene practices reduce the spread of germs

     Not really a grey area there disinfecting surfaces sterilizing dishes. This isnt. A new concept does the mask stop dry spore no. No it doesn't. But within the humidity and moisture releasing from the lungs the filter will trap moisture in breath hence stopping the spread of infected molecules will a mask and gloves do it alone. No proper sanitaziation is also needed . 20 seconds of hand washing after using toilet facilities. Hand sanitizer after touching dirty surface avoid eye nose and mouth contact with hands.....

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 1:00 PM ET #50

    Social distancing.

    WHO has developed guidelines in dealing with vaccine distribution. Taking into thr consideration of infection transmission due to mass gatherings. 

    Some natiins ate adopting door to door lottery vaccination process. Our nation is utilizing the drug store drive through chains. But this is real and is becoming an uncontrollable monster....

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    Social distancing.

    WHO has developed guidelines in dealing with vaccine distribution. Taking into thr consideration of infection transmission due to mass gatherings. 

    Some natiins ate adopting door to door lottery vaccination process. Our nation is utilizing the drug store drive through chains. But this is real and is becoming an uncontrollable monster....

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