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    I_Need_A_Detox
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 4:02 PM ET #101

    It's not a right if you can get fired for it. 

    You're sloooow. 

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    It's not a right if you can get fired for it. 

    You're sloooow. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 6:32 PM ET #102

    You know, I heard a guy on sports radio who kind of had the same sentiment that I have about the issue.  Yes, they technically have the right but it's not really the best way to go about protesting.  I've always believed that the way you really win people over is with a strong argument that comes from a place of truth, which I do realize is kind of rare these days.  However, Republicans have been such whiny girl about the whole thing, resembling that stupid snowflake remark I see about liberals all the time that I really can't take their side on it.  If they were so tough, they'd quietly stop attending the games, buying merchandise and so on without even saying anything about it.  They clearly are emotionally fragile based on the reactions I've seen.
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    You know, I heard a guy on sports radio who kind of had the same sentiment that I have about the issue.  Yes, they technically have the right but it's not really the best way to go about protesting.  I've always believed that the way you really win people over is with a strong argument that comes from a place of truth, which I do realize is kind of rare these days.  However, Republicans have been such whiny girl about the whole thing, resembling that stupid snowflake remark I see about liberals all the time that I really can't take their side on it.  If they were so tough, they'd quietly stop attending the games, buying merchandise and so on without even saying anything about it.  They clearly are emotionally fragile based on the reactions I've seen.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 6:36 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    It's not a right if you can get fired for it. 

    You're sloooow. 



    Well, Trump is wrong because the owners aren't scared of the players.  They're making tons of money off the players and they don't want to lose their assets by telling them not to express their feelings.  I'm not sure professional sports falls into the same category as a typical workplace as well when they're playing games on a field in front of an audience.  That's specifically why these athletes are doing it.  They feel it's the best time to deliver the message, even though I do think kneeling during the anthem is kind of stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    It's not a right if you can get fired for it. 

    You're sloooow. 



    Well, Trump is wrong because the owners aren't scared of the players.  They're making tons of money off the players and they don't want to lose their assets by telling them not to express their feelings.  I'm not sure professional sports falls into the same category as a typical workplace as well when they're playing games on a field in front of an audience.  That's specifically why these athletes are doing it.  They feel it's the best time to deliver the message, even though I do think kneeling during the anthem is kind of stupid.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 7:18 PM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    It's not a right if you can get fired for it. 

    You're sloooow. 



    So are you saying your employer could fire you for being Jewish and you would have no recourse? 

    Or are you just not understanding. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    It's not a right if you can get fired for it. 

    You're sloooow. 



    So are you saying your employer could fire you for being Jewish and you would have no recourse? 

    Or are you just not understanding. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 7:26 PM ET #105

    But isn't the salient question-
    If your employer fires you for said action, would you have recourse?


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    But isn't the salient question-
    If your employer fires you for said action, would you have recourse?


     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 8:36 PM ET #106

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    So are you saying your employer could fire you for being Jewish and you would have no recourse? 

    Or are you just not understanding. 

    That would be a violation of your workplace rights. 

    Hellllllo 
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    So are you saying your employer could fire you for being Jewish and you would have no recourse? 

    Or are you just not understanding. 

    That would be a violation of your workplace rights. 

    Hellllllo 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 9:51 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Now not even patriotism is safe from liberal culture wars. They want to tear down what holds us ALL together.

    Obama was by far the most divisive President. TRUMP is trying to bring us all together as Americans. 



    Well, those always use " liberal this, conservative that" are the problem. 

    None of the things Trump has done are bringing us together. To be fair, that isn't ever his intention to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Now not even patriotism is safe from liberal culture wars. They want to tear down what holds us ALL together.

    Obama was by far the most divisive President. TRUMP is trying to bring us all together as Americans. 



    Well, those always use " liberal this, conservative that" are the problem. 

    None of the things Trump has done are bringing us together. To be fair, that isn't ever his intention to begin with.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 10:11 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).

    What are NFL players protesting? 


    While your  numbers are correct how about going a little further and factor in the percentage by population?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).

    What are NFL players protesting? 


    While your  numbers are correct how about going a little further and factor in the percentage by population?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 10:17 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    While your  numbers are correct how about going a little further and factor in the percentage by population?

    Heck, just read the article.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.c23a1276cc8d
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    While your  numbers are correct how about going a little further and factor in the percentage by population?

    Heck, just read the article.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.c23a1276cc8d
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 10:28 PM ET #110

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    While your  numbers are correct how about going a little further and factor in the percentage by population?

    So white people are approximately 60% of the population and account for approximately 50% of the people shot and killed by police. 

    So what? There are a bunch of reasons for that and skin color isn't one of them. 

    DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008 black people committed 52% of the homicides despite making up just 13% of the population. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    While your  numbers are correct how about going a little further and factor in the percentage by population?

    So white people are approximately 60% of the population and account for approximately 50% of the people shot and killed by police. 

    So what? There are a bunch of reasons for that and skin color isn't one of them. 

    DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008 black people committed 52% of the homicides despite making up just 13% of the population. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 10:35 PM ET #111

    The reasons the black numbers are so awful are cultural problems. They have nothing to with "systemic racism" or "institutional racism". 

    Black people are having way too many kids out of wedlock. 

    Children in single-parent families by race - 

    Asian - 17% 
    White - 25% 
    Hispanic - 42%
    Black - 67% 
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    The reasons the black numbers are so awful are cultural problems. They have nothing to with "systemic racism" or "institutional racism". 

    Black people are having way too many kids out of wedlock. 

    Children in single-parent families by race - 

    Asian - 17% 
    White - 25% 
    Hispanic - 42%
    Black - 67% 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 10:37 PM ET #112

    Success by race in America

    1. Asian
    2. White 
    3. Hispanic 
    4. Black 

    Coincidence? I think not. 

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    Success by race in America

    1. Asian
    2. White 
    3. Hispanic 
    4. Black 

    Coincidence? I think not. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2017 - 11:34 PM ET #113

    Weird...

    Did you just post facts?


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    Weird...

    Did you just post facts?


     
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    It really is sad that these liberal fu.cking idiots are using the nfl to push their agenda and then lebron and curry get in on too. The problem is people dont read and i dont even mean books, people dont even read articles so they cant even get the facts if they wanted to. Im from oakland and my girl friend is black, ive been around blacks all my life and the problem is 100% their culture. From black on black crimes to having children and not taking care of them , they take no blame and continue to blame whites and or systematic racism. Anyone wirh slightest bit if knowledge know these are just terms these leftist morons brainwash the black community with. What privilege do white people have that blacks dont? Thats why its so sad when you hear popovich make those disgusting remarks the other day about all whites are 50 yards ahead. People really believe this sh.it too. So you are telling me lebron james kids are 50 yards behind my broke white friend from west oakland is? Black people play the victim card for everything. Jimelle hill gets horrible ratings cuz her show sucks and she blames it one trump cuz she hates white people. The funny part is if you ask these nfl players why they are kneeling they wont be able to give you an answer. And if they say police brutality then why is it more likely you will be killed by a train? No body wakes up and worries about a train killing them. Black people really need people like lebron to explain this stuff to them and be a real leader. But then they will call him a sell out which no black wants to be. I mean its so obvious that the problrm lies inside the community. People say well how do you change it... they need to embrace police and work with them to get rid of the terrible ppl commiting murders and selling drugs. Start taking care of their kids, start making their kids go to school. Stop blaming others for problems you made youself and have been for a while now. Everyone has the same opportunity and with affirmitive action... blacks have more opportunities. Stop listening to terrible liberals and adopt some conservative views and stop living on welfare your entire life and then wondering why your life is so terrible. This protest is one the greatest lies ever. Liberals dont even watch football they just want to ruin it for all of us. When i want to read or listen to politics i listen to people with a brain... i dont listen to idiot athletes, actors, and rappers. I use sports to get away from this shi.it. 

    Funny thing is going by these standards that the left has set and these players have been brainwashed to believe... the NFL is racist towards whites and other races because the league is 70% black. Obviously that isnt true its called capitalism... we want best product so if that means all black thats fine... if its all whites thats fine too its called reality not racism. I just dont see how people are that stupid they cant see it. How bad would the nfl be is they said we need 25% of each race. If black people cant get the job in another field thats not racist they just werent good enough for tye job... nothing more. Until they realize this and black leaders step up and lay down the fscts, nothing will change. You dont deserve anything in this world unless you work for it. And again popovich is scum for what he said telling whites to accept they have white privilege . I wish someone would step up to these morons and call them out like ben shapiro does. 
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    It really is sad that these liberal fu.cking idiots are using the nfl to push their agenda and then lebron and curry get in on too. The problem is people dont read and i dont even mean books, people dont even read articles so they cant even get the facts if they wanted to. Im from oakland and my girl friend is black, ive been around blacks all my life and the problem is 100% their culture. From black on black crimes to having children and not taking care of them , they take no blame and continue to blame whites and or systematic racism. Anyone wirh slightest bit if knowledge know these are just terms these leftist morons brainwash the black community with. What privilege do white people have that blacks dont? Thats why its so sad when you hear popovich make those disgusting remarks the other day about all whites are 50 yards ahead. People really believe this sh.it too. So you are telling me lebron james kids are 50 yards behind my broke white friend from west oakland is? Black people play the victim card for everything. Jimelle hill gets horrible ratings cuz her show sucks and she blames it one trump cuz she hates white people. The funny part is if you ask these nfl players why they are kneeling they wont be able to give you an answer. And if they say police brutality then why is it more likely you will be killed by a train? No body wakes up and worries about a train killing them. Black people really need people like lebron to explain this stuff to them and be a real leader. But then they will call him a sell out which no black wants to be. I mean its so obvious that the problrm lies inside the community. People say well how do you change it... they need to embrace police and work with them to get rid of the terrible ppl commiting murders and selling drugs. Start taking care of their kids, start making their kids go to school. Stop blaming others for problems you made youself and have been for a while now. Everyone has the same opportunity and with affirmitive action... blacks have more opportunities. Stop listening to terrible liberals and adopt some conservative views and stop living on welfare your entire life and then wondering why your life is so terrible. This protest is one the greatest lies ever. Liberals dont even watch football they just want to ruin it for all of us. When i want to read or listen to politics i listen to people with a brain... i dont listen to idiot athletes, actors, and rappers. I use sports to get away from this shi.it. 

    Funny thing is going by these standards that the left has set and these players have been brainwashed to believe... the NFL is racist towards whites and other races because the league is 70% black. Obviously that isnt true its called capitalism... we want best product so if that means all black thats fine... if its all whites thats fine too its called reality not racism. I just dont see how people are that stupid they cant see it. How bad would the nfl be is they said we need 25% of each race. If black people cant get the job in another field thats not racist they just werent good enough for tye job... nothing more. Until they realize this and black leaders step up and lay down the fscts, nothing will change. You dont deserve anything in this world unless you work for it. And again popovich is scum for what he said telling whites to accept they have white privilege . I wish someone would step up to these morons and call them out like ben shapiro does. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2017 - 7:29 AM ET #115

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    They aren't even protesting all police misconduct. They're only protesting police misconduct against black people as if police misconduct against white people is acceptable. 

    Very divisive. 


    Yeah because many of them hate white people but only white people can be racist apparently. The protest is suppose to bring people together? Can they explain their plan? No... this is an embarrasment to all smart black people who are getting lumped in with these idiots. I wouldnt be suprised if espns ratings and nfl ratings just keep going down. When do they stop kneeling? If you are kneeling for something you have to know when the protest is over but unfortunately you cant do that here because they are protesting lies. The media continues to attack people who voted for trump with no facts... it just makes ppl look stupid. I know what will solve this... get 10 players 5 from nba 5 from nfl and sit down at debate with ben shapiro 1 on 10, its only fair this way. Make it live tv and lets watch the best tv weve seen in a long time. Would be so great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    They aren't even protesting all police misconduct. They're only protesting police misconduct against black people as if police misconduct against white people is acceptable. 

    Very divisive. 


    Yeah because many of them hate white people but only white people can be racist apparently. The protest is suppose to bring people together? Can they explain their plan? No... this is an embarrasment to all smart black people who are getting lumped in with these idiots. I wouldnt be suprised if espns ratings and nfl ratings just keep going down. When do they stop kneeling? If you are kneeling for something you have to know when the protest is over but unfortunately you cant do that here because they are protesting lies. The media continues to attack people who voted for trump with no facts... it just makes ppl look stupid. I know what will solve this... get 10 players 5 from nba 5 from nfl and sit down at debate with ben shapiro 1 on 10, its only fair this way. Make it live tv and lets watch the best tv weve seen in a long time. Would be so great!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    In 2017, the only oppressing that is being done is being done by welfare. Welfare keeps people at the bottom. Capitalism let's you move freely. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    In 2017, the only oppressing that is being done is being done by welfare. Welfare keeps people at the bottom. Capitalism let's you move freely. 


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    Weird...

    Did you just post facts?



    Where did darkhorse go? I thought he wanted to get into the numbers. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    Weird...

    Did you just post facts?



    Where did darkhorse go? I thought he wanted to get into the numbers. 

     
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    Asians are under represented in the police force. Asians are under represented in government. Asians have more success than any other race in this country. 

    I would like to know what systemic problems are there that are giving Asians such an advantage over other races. 

    THIS along with the other statistics I provided a few posts up is the argument against systemic racism in this country. People on the left can never argue it or even discuss it. They'll just skip right along and keep claiming that systemic racism is a major problem in this country. It isn't. 



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    Asians are under represented in the police force. Asians are under represented in government. Asians have more success than any other race in this country. 

    I would like to know what systemic problems are there that are giving Asians such an advantage over other races. 

    THIS along with the other statistics I provided a few posts up is the argument against systemic racism in this country. People on the left can never argue it or even discuss it. They'll just skip right along and keep claiming that systemic racism is a major problem in this country. It isn't. 



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Where did darkhorse go? I thought he wanted to get into the numbers. 

    Black americans are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police and unarmed blacks are 5 times more likely to be shot and  killed by police.
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    Where did darkhorse go? I thought he wanted to get into the numbers. 

    Black americans are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police and unarmed blacks are 5 times more likely to be shot and  killed by police.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Black americans are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police and unarmed blacks are 5 times more likely to be shot and  killed by police.


    Nice numbers ...      no sources as usual ..

    Maybe because of poverty and their
    surroundings or conditions,, Blacks are more apt to turn to acts of crime..

    Stat:
    In 2008, the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per
    100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4
    offenders per 100,000)

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    If,you do more crimes ..it is more likely. that you will have greater encounters will law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Black americans are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police and unarmed blacks are 5 times more likely to be shot and  killed by police.


    Nice numbers ...      no sources as usual ..

    Maybe because of poverty and their
    surroundings or conditions,, Blacks are more apt to turn to acts of crime..

    Stat:
    In 2008, the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per
    100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4
    offenders per 100,000)

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    If,you do more crimes ..it is more likely. that you will have greater encounters will law enforcement.
     
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    *with law enforcement..........
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    *with law enforcement..........
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Black americans are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police and unarmed blacks are 5 times more likely to be shot and  killed by police.

    Being shot by the police doesnt mean its unjustified. Ive been stopped by the police many times and arrested 6-7 times and everytime i just put my hands where they can see and thats the end of it. You are more likely to be hit by a bus and die than killed by the police. More likely to be killed by bees. Its so funny when ppl start listing all the times an unjustified black man was killed and then u realize when you look at the facts of the case ie. mike brown you see that he should have been shot and killed. It really amazes me that this many people in 2017 where you have a phone at all times, cannot simply do some research turn off the tv and read for a while. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Black americans are 2.5 times more likely to be shot and killed by police and unarmed blacks are 5 times more likely to be shot and  killed by police.

    Being shot by the police doesnt mean its unjustified. Ive been stopped by the police many times and arrested 6-7 times and everytime i just put my hands where they can see and thats the end of it. You are more likely to be hit by a bus and die than killed by the police. More likely to be killed by bees. Its so funny when ppl start listing all the times an unjustified black man was killed and then u realize when you look at the facts of the case ie. mike brown you see that he should have been shot and killed. It really amazes me that this many people in 2017 where you have a phone at all times, cannot simply do some research turn off the tv and read for a while. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Nice numbers ...      no sources as usual ..

    Maybe because of poverty and their
    surroundings or conditions,, Blacks are more apt to turn to acts of crime..

    Stat:
    In 2008, the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per
    100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4
    offenders per 100,000)

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    If,you do more crimes ..it is more likely. that you will have greater encounters will law enforcement.
     

    Post #109 slim. Apology accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Nice numbers ...      no sources as usual ..

    Maybe because of poverty and their
    surroundings or conditions,, Blacks are more apt to turn to acts of crime..

    Stat:
    In 2008, the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per
    100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4
    offenders per 100,000)

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    If,you do more crimes ..it is more likely. that you will have greater encounters will law enforcement.
     

    Post #109 slim. Apology accepted.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2017 - 1:33 PM ET #124

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

     

    Post #109 slim. Apology accepted.

    What part of that article do you think represents your argument well? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

     

    Post #109 slim. Apology accepted.

    What part of that article do you think represents your argument well? 
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2017 - 4:32 PM ET #125

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    What part of that article do you think represents your argument well? 

    My argument is that blacks are shot and killed at a greater rate than whites when based on proportionate population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    What part of that article do you think represents your argument well? 

    My argument is that blacks are shot and killed at a greater rate than whites when based on proportionate population.
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