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When will assualt weapons advocates ever learn ? My God, 20 children dead !

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mattbrot

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:19 PM ET #26

Quote taken from an article in the Atlantic -- https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

?"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."

mattbrot

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:21 PM ET #27

that post went horribly wrong.

Quote taken from an article i the Atlantic -- https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreck death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again.

bunny651

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:25 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

Because Fast & Furious never happened, right?? I'm sure you're at the forefront of pursuing prosecution of Holder & others, right??

I am not familiar with that issue but what that has to do with it? If anyone is found any wrongdoing, I am all for prosecution and that includes the AG.

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:25 PM ET #29

Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

Quote taken from an article in the Atlantic -- https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

?"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."

I won't deny this Matt, but the overdose of movies, video games, television, and internet sources which ingrain gun violence into the minds of the users as the plausible solution for rectifying all their embedded problems is at the heart of this.

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:29 PM ET #30

There have been mentally un-hinged individuals roaming the planet since the dawn of humanity, and these folks will continue to be a part of every population till Man's time on Earth is over. As said in this thread, it is only a matter of time till another such massacre is repeated.

Having said that, the only thing 'despicable' are those cowards who continue to hide behind and invoke the 2nd Amendment as some sort of god-given edict that we should all have unlimited and unfettered access to the kinds of firearms that can kill dozens of innocent people in the time it took me to write these words.

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:30 PM ET #31

Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

Because Fast & Furious never happened, right?? I'm sure you're at the forefront of pursuing prosecution of Holder & others, right??

Btw, I am sure you also believe our gov. was behind 9/11, right?

kaponofor3

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:31 PM ET #32

"ABC News: Neighbors describe suspected CT school shooter Adam Lanza as "displaying characteristics associated with mental illness""

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:32 PM ET #33

Quote Originally Posted by kujayhwk:

There have been mentally un-hinged individuals roaming the planet since the dawn of humanity, and these folks will continue to be a part of every population till Man's time on Earth is over. As said in this thread, it is only a matter of time till another such massacre is repeated.

Having said that, the only thing 'despicable' are those cowards who continue to hide behind and invoke the 2nd Amendment as some sort of god-given edict that we should all have unlimited and unfettered access to the kinds of firearms that can kill dozens of innocent people in the time it took me to write these words.

The question then becomes the balancing act between the rights of law abiding, responsible citizens and gun owners to own firearms of their choice versus the potential that those firearms can be used for wrongdoing.

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:45 PM ET #34

If you ban assault weapons, this tragedy still happens. the gunman used multiple handguns. We live in a country the size of Europe and we each have similar tragedies that occur with the same frequency, it just isn't reported as widely in the United States. Crazy people will do crazy things. A man stabbed 20 children in China the other day at a school...he found a way. This kid was nuts and as it turns out had multiple mental health issues. I'm for stricter gun laws but not banning guns. People with diagnosed mental health problems shouldn't be allowed to own guns. You should never ever adopt far reaching intrusive legislation as a result of an isolated horrendous incident. You have to see the bigger picture.

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:50 PM ET #35

Quote Originally Posted by Football-Dude:

If you ban assault weapons, this tragedy still happens. the gunman used multiple handguns. We live in a country the size of Europe and we each have similar tragedies that occur with the same frequency, it just isn't reported as widely in the United States. Crazy people will do crazy things. A man stabbed 20 children in China the other day at a school...he found a way. This kid was nuts and as it turns out had multiple mental health issues. I'm for stricter gun laws but not banning guns. People with diagnosed mental health problems shouldn't be allowed to own guns. You should never ever adopt far reaching intrusive legislation as a result of an isolated horrendous incident. You have to see the bigger picture.

Great post.

gers

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 5:57 PM ET #36

Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:

This is what we get when we allow our people to partake in X-Box Live participatory killing sprees. The "enemy" can no longer be negotiated with. He/she/they must simply be eliminated. The answer in these games is never forgiveness, understanding, or fundamental truth. Always violence, always by weaponry. If this is what we reap, this is what we sow.

Good post but you forgot to mention prescription drugs got home from work my stepson was playing GTA1V and was going around shooting everyone but he is 20 can't lecture him what to do.

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 6:05 PM ET #37

I love how these types of tragedies always draw political outrage....

It's a friggin disgrace..

These events cannot be prevented for the most part.

The events that CAN be prevented are the day-to-day tragedies in which people go to the ER for gun violence

gers

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 6:09 PM ET #38

Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

I love how these types of tragedies always draw political outrage....

It's a friggin disgrace..

These events cannot be prevented for the most part.

The events that CAN be prevented are the day-to-day tragedies in which people go to the ER for gun violence

Who's making this political by the way a 14 year old was shot up here the other day and there is a gun ban here.

SarasotaSlim

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 6:19 PM ET #39

CBS is reporting that the suspect Adam Lanza's mother was a teacher at the elementary school where the shootings occured...

A enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.........

Three guns were found—a Glock 9MM handgun and a Sig Sauer handgun, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle was recovered in the back of a car.

bunny651

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 6:28 PM ET #40

I believe in 2nd Amendment, but seriously, is there a reason not to ban assault weapons? I don't have a problem with home/personal protection but do anyone actually carry those out even in the States that allow concealed weapon?

esplanade

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 6:36 PM ET #41

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

Btw, I am sure you also believe our gov. was behind 9/11, right?

No. I don't believe there was government involvement here or on 9/11, but if you don't see the relevance of the F&F comment or worse yet are only marginally aware of what it is, then you aren't bright enough to make a meaningful comment in this thread.

bunny651

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 7:20 PM ET #42

Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

No. I don't believe there was government involvement here or on 9/11, but if you don't see the relevance of the F&F comment or worse yet are only marginally aware of what it is, then you aren't bright enough to make a meaningful comment in this thread.

Unlike you, I am not familiar with every issue and I am not going to lie about it. I don't believe neither scenerios and if you don't see the point I am trying to make, then you have no business to judge anyone's brightness. A person like you want to talk about meaningful comment?

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:02 PM ET #43

Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

Everytime one of these sad events happens..esp.if it takes the life of young children ..we hear many progressive liberals calling for a ban on the weapon used ... but at the same time they are not against suction vacuums the weapon used in aborting 1.2 million unborn children every year in America..

i know you rightwingers like to ignore this because you're not real big fans of women, in all the ways you can interpret that, but the abortion issue involves a little matter of intruding into a women's body that does not exist with the assault rifel ban issue.

ClubDirt

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:05 PM ET #44

there are alot of bad poijts made regarding the gun control issue. but one good one was that guns have obviously been around for a long time but the crazy garbage that happened today seems to be more of a recent phenomenon. it's clearly not just a gun issue, although it is a gun issue too. you have to wonder what effect there is with combining shitty parents with mental problems that go untreated with all the gun exposure on tv and in video games.

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:08 PM ET #45

holy garbage, a kujayhawk sighting. i just got smarter by clicking on this thread.

dl36

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:17 PM ET #46

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

when ever espalande has embarrassed himself again getting his feet held to the fire because of something he posted he starts to insult intelligence...

This "Tell

" that he is insecure is so obvious...

dl36

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:19 PM ET #47

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

Btw, I am sure you also believe our gov. was behind 9/11, right?

nah... hes a more of a birther, voter fraud, internet conspiracy wacko....

but definitely the "joke" of the site...

SarasotaSlim

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:29 PM ET #48

The guns used by Adam Lanza were bought legally and registered to his mother (who was shoot in the face) the legal age to own any kind of firearm in the state of Connecticut is 21 years of age.... Adam Lanza was 20.

Now ABC reports that Adam Lanza had Asperger Syndrome and another personally disorder..sounds like he has been diagnosed by professionals ..

lordspoint

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:32 PM ET #49

you can all go darn yourselves.

The bodies are still warm and you guys want to "debate" this garbage.

Get some deceny in your lives assholes.

lordspoint

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 8:34 PM ET #50

go "darn" yourselves??????

now language is cencored around here.

go debate that douchebags and let the families cope for a bit before you start with your God damn senseless arguing........

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When will assualt weapons advocates ever learn ? My God, 20 children dead !

Quote taken from an article in the Atlantic -- https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

?"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."

Quote taken from an article in the Atlantic -- https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

?"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."

Quote taken from an article in the Atlantic -- https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

?"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."

Quote taken from an article in the Atlantic -- https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/american-exceptionalism-the-shootings-will-go-on/266293/

?"Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."

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