War in the Middle East

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# of republican-approved boots on the ground wars that rump allowed to continue     1

# of republican-approved boots on the ground wars that biden  allowed to continue    0

@Rush51

 So the fact Biden is not on twitter making lovey eyes to dictators is a policy of appeasement? Can you explain the logic and proof of your claim? Biden is not an Israeli leader nor is he a member of the Ukraine cabinet so what exactly is in the arsenal for a US president to stop the agendas of both scenarios?

Israel is bent on an aggressive offensive removal of any to what they feel is theirs, they are surrounded by groups who feel the same way and repeatedly over every set of time this repeats. The only difference is that the current guy is extremely aggressive and every time he seems to be in this position the pot is stirred more than usual. 

Ukraine and Israel do not consult with the US in matters of domestic agenda, they seek a neutral position with our country and if in times of NEED they will hit us up for cash and weapons, they use our resources to support their agenda. They are not helping the common US citizen, the taxpayer is footing the bill for their military efforts and our corps get cash flows off weapons and defense costs if the two use our weapons and defense systems.

These kind of ignorant posts cannot go unchecked.

How many Russians have been killed by Biden authorized attacks?    0

How many Russians killed by Trump's authorized attacks?  OVER 200

How much money has flowed from Russia to the Biden family?  OVER $3.5 MILLION

Trump? 0

WHO INTERVENED AND STOPPED A GAS PIPELINE FROM RUSSIA TO GERMANY?

WHO OK'd THAT SAME PIPELINE THAT WOULD MAKE RUSSIA BILLIONS???

Unproven claim that Hunter Biden received 3.5 million from wife of Moscow mayor according to congressional investigations.  Archer testified that Hunter wasn't involved in his real estate business dealings.  However Reuters investigations found Russians invested hundreds of millions in Trump properties.

Newsweek, July of 2021;

Now, almost six months into Biden's term, an emboldened Iran is feeling the wind in its sails. In a rigged election last month, human rights abuser and hardliner Ebrahim Raisi was elected to become the country's next president.

By removing sanctions on Iran and taking former Iranian officials off of the blacklist, Joe Biden and his team have pandered to Tehran, wasting the crucial diplomatic leverage they inherited from President Trump. Empowering Iran with billions of dollars in sanctions relief will not help the beleaguered Iranian people who have suffered at the hands of a murderous regime.

Biden's incompetence is likely to prove extremely dangerous. An emboldened Iran can endanger not only our nation's security and that of our troops in the Middle East, but also that of our allies. As the predominant state sponsor of terrorism in the world, Iranian aggression can have dire effects on Israel, our greatest ally in the region.

Russians bought properties Trump had for sale. Is he supposed to tell them, "Sorry Ruski, you no can buy?" Am sure all nationalities have at one time purchased a property owned by Trump. He has had so many.

So how many of those rich Russians did Trump leave off the sanction list?

Oh look, the Russian who threw the $3.5 million somehow never got on that sanction list. 

Former Moscow first lady Yelena Baturina, who allegedly dined with then-Vice President Biden in 2014 and 2015, and fellow oligarch Vladimir Yevtushenkov, who arranged at least two meetings with Hunter Biden during his dad's vice presidency, again avoided US sanctions.Aug 11, 2023

And a correction, the CIA was involved in the car bomb that killed an innocent Russian girl according to the Washington Post. So give Biden a 1.

Add that to the Afghan father and his children gathering water. And to the father of ten, a sheep herder. 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/20/middleeast/syrian-family-says-us-strike-killed-father-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=A%20drone%20strike%20carried%20out,been%20killed%20in%20the%20operation.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl/index.html

How dare Trump call our military leaders idiots! 

Thousands of Russians have been killed in Ukraine war.  US is the top supplier of military aid to Ukraine.

Hmmmmm.  I seem to recall that ARCHER was proudly hailed by the republican CHAOS party as the "bonafide star witness who would DEFINITELY support THEIR conspiracy theories of alleged Joe Biden malfeasance"

What ever became of that? 

@Rush51

I can see from your reaction that you are firmly on the side of the NEOCONS and liberal warmongers....."do you get it now"   I get it on a level not understood by most, thank you....

You are completing missing the point of my post.  Are you aware of the biblical history the interviewer in those videos is inferring?  He is giving those in the video an opportunity to address this and they all confirm what is in inferring.   Their "religious" beliefs confirm to them that defending the state of Israel and preserving Jerusalem is best for America because of their religious beliefs, not because of those aspects you mentioned. 

A country in the Middle East, alone and surrounded by powers that are in contrast to them and a threat to them, such as what you mentioned:  democracy, free enterprise, entrepreneurship, gay rights, etc. etc. Are all reasons best for American to assist them at the right cost (NOT at the cost of WWIII)....NOT the religious fundamentalism seen on the radical left they are fighting, which is the same religious fundamentalism these politicians are using as the reason to "defend at all costs".  

You get it now right ??  

So, that's why Trump didn't get us spending $$ on new wars?  ... because he was so effective using Twitter that he made "lovey eyes" with dictators??  Lol.    I don't even know how to respond to such a 'nutty comment'     

Here's your proof Biden is "an Appeaser," and Trump played from a position of strength. 

Biden Took Sanctions Off Iran and Gave Them Money,.....  Only After Trump Applied Sanctions and Cut off Money to Iran ..    

Biden oversaw a disastrous exit from Afghanistan that killed 13 of our soldiers at the hands of terrorists (i.e. the Taliban)

There is no other way to spin this.  Biden is old, weak, and carries out his foreign policy w/ this same weakness that our enemies look to exploit and take advantage of.  Think for a moment if you truly believe this would've happened under Trump?  

It's all history now.  We had a quick, rushed, and disastrous exit from Afghanistan which communicated weakness , that we were willing to hightail it out of the middle east even if it meant we lost a few soldiers.  THAT is the message our enemies in Russia & Iran took. 

So, don't be surprised when Russia makes their "big" move to invade Ukraine, and Iran follows suit just weeks ago.  

@Rush51

Neither of your suggestions regarding Israel or Ukraine has anything to do with Trump or Biden. Trump got lucky and I am glad he did because the guy does not have the chops for diplomacy or tough choices it is fortunate the soft belly pro shop leader was not tested or given big responsibility, his zero ego would have led to potentially awful results.

Ukraine broke the terms of their Russian freedom when they constantly entertained making deals with the west and taunted Putin to do something to stop them and as we see it bit them in the rump. Did you think Russia would twiddle thumbs as Ukraine floated NATO ambitions? Why are we shocked when Russia took action when Ukraine breaks the terms given to be granted a satellite status? That isnt a Biden or Trump issue, but keep pressing the partisan button it works great!

The moment Bibi got back in the game the whole region was doomed and notice how the UN and so many impartial leaders are strongly suggesting a different route, but the war monger will not be told what to do, yes that is a partisan blame setup if Ive ever seen one.

The unreal nonsense spewed here. Beyond words, no wonder MAGA controls the House and leads in presidential polls.

Here is a test you all can run; Google "Shani Louke found dead"

Now here is the report from Israel; Louk was kidnapped from the Nova Music Festival, in Kibbutz Re'im, and taken by Hamas terrorists to the Gaza Strip, where she was seen lying motionless on the back of a truck, disfigured after the brutal massacre in southern Israel. A video was released the same day as the attack, showing a mob in Gaza spitting and beating a woman with torn clothing. Louk was later identified in the video by her leg tattoo. Despite being seriously wounded and disfigured, mother Ricarda believed her daughter was alive.

Israel President Herzog; “I am truly sorry to report that we have now received news that Shani Nicole Louk has been confirmed murdered and dead. Her skull was found."

She was beheaded after being tortured.

NOW, GO THROUGH ALL THE REPORTS OF HER DEATH, CBS, CNN, RUETERS, ETC. FIND ONE F--ING MENTION OF HER SKULL FOUND.

Who reports the TRUTH and who whitewashes it?

It's all there and has been this way for years. 

Many outlets uses the mothers belief her daughter was already dead. I can understand not wanting to believe she was tortured for maybe hours. How could any mother face that fact.

So cowardly news outlets like NYT and CBS sieze her words to whitewash what really must of happened. Sick people!

they have rresumed their deliberate smear campaign sans evidence of course but that doesnt matter bcuz its alljust for smear and they will keep it going until next october

of course the unfounded smears wont matter much if donnie chump is in an orange jumpsuit

No doubt, UNIMAN... all the lefties here are truly out to lunch.  They think Trump was just " lucky " to have avoided big foreign blow- ups like Biden.

Trump is strong... Biden is weak.

But liberal lefties think Trump was just " lucky"... and  Biden " unlucky" 

What garbage. !!  But this is the crap we gotta deal with when half the country is up the media's  a$$ , and  can't think for themselves... 

Trump was lucky and Biden was unlucky??? LMAO. If you don’t think US response and who is leading our country plays a huge factor in what these countries do then you are as naive as it gets. 

Luck is one of Trump's best qualities in Siena college survey of scholars ranking all presidents.  He might be the luckiest president in modern history.  He inherited Obama's longest economic expansion in US history.  Also republicans in control of congress.  In first year, rate of border crossings is the lowest since 1971.  Unlike other presidents, Trump international crises are of his own making.  His abandonment of Iran nuclear deal increases the risk of conflicts in the Middle east.  Ditto for movement of US embassy to Jerusalem. Reckless decision to withdraw US forces from Afghanistan lead to chaos later.  His appeasement of Putin made Russian aggression more likely.  His attacks on allies created a crisis of global leadership.  Tariffs against China expose US to greater economic peril.  In contrast, Biden is unlucky to inherit the worst circumstances of any president in decades.  A mess from pandemic, recession and Trump mistakes.

Exactly right !! 

Oh, reallly  ?  What if I were to tell you that Trump inherited one of the most anemic periods of economic growth from O` bama.   Barack was a loser of a president,  and had 8 years to figure it out, and his last year in office had ( negative) GDP growth.   Trump turned that around his first year in office.   

So much for "" inheriting"" a great economy from O'bama  

@Rush51

 Ok so prove your point that Trump inherited one of the most anemic economies, I would not mind to see that proof and not via a right wing blog stat but from a viable neutral party with multiple data points. Keep in mind the economic cycle is complex and the real truth is that interest rates and the FED run the economy and our GDP. and Trump was able to exist with historic low rates which artificially boosts corporate profits, hides government debt and inflated several bubbles in the process.

Another question to YOU specifically, I asked you multiple times to expound on your repeated droning claims that Trump was strong and thus would have avoided Ukraine and Israel issues. Can you elaborate on exactly what that means and examples of that concept...show where Trump based on his strength stopped a potential world event from happening due to HIS STRENGTH. Without proof and examples your claim is partisan stupidity, my claim and proof is the exact way that Israel is completely ignoring MULTIPLE claims to go a peaceful route and to stop pushing forward with an aggressive agenda. It is my contention that Israel has zero motivation from anyone outside their agenda and goal and the US has zero tools to control or modify that narrative outside of actually joining the other side and providing a reason for Israel to stop...which we would never do. Outside a stronger counter force to their agenda I dont think Israel will stop until they accomplish their goals OR they get beat down and bad outcomes result. My proof is in actions that they exhibit and their defiance to ALL who are suggesting peace. I dont think King Twitter would have any greater influence or tools that all the other leaders and the UN has, because there are no tools. We do not subsidize their economy we are not going to twitter them to death or sanction them, they just dont care.

Ukraine took their actions and choices and caused Russia to decide what they were going to do, I think Z did not see that Putin would call their bluff and actually use force to stop their western pursuits. Russia was forced to take action because if Ukraine formed western alliances then the other satellite provinces might consider the same and then there is great risk of military weakness to Russia let alone the fact that Ukraine agreed to not engage with any western groups as terms to them being independent. 

Just for fun, go watch interviews on multiple sources of Israeli leaders and watch how they answer ANY questions of peace or of there being an error with their agenda and narrative, watch how they respond and the defiance that they exhibit. There is no way anyone will stand in the way of the goal Israel has, only their destruction will stop this agenda.

Yemen has officially entered this conflict....regional escalation has begun.... 

"Ukraine isn't a Trump or Biden issue"..... well, not exactly....  Trump very likely would've never assured Zelenksy that he would have US military support against Russia as any NATO "carrot & stick" actions towards Ukraine wouldn't have existed based on Trump's handling of US involvement in NATO.  

Russia spent almost half of a year slowly building up military forces along the border.  It was no "surprise" as it was public knowledge.  I've written on this previously but warmonger Victoria Nuland, Obama's former COS and others in the Obama Administration wanted to "finish" what was started in 2014.  Killary was supposed to take over in 2016 and when that didn't happen they had to wait another 4 years before they could get Western control of Ukraine.  Ukraine has already been pillaged for their resources, their demographic of "young men" has been decimated by war leaving a population of the weak and willing....it will inevitably be rebuilt by BlackRock and Co. and will be a Western influence hub, sans the Eastern bloc portion now under Russian control.  This was inevitable going back to the beginning of the conflict.  I said it last year, Russia is going to keep Crimea, Dontesk, and their port access to the Black Sea.  Anybody thinking Slavi Ukraini was going to mount an offensive to "drive out Putin" was living in an uneducated dream land.  

Also.... 

....continued:  

If Ukraine isn't a Biden / Trump issue, it most certainly is a WESTERN issue....who controls the power of Western influence??  Well the good ole U.S. of A. of course.  Nothing is done in the realm of Western world influence without approval.  Knowing this simple fact... let's try and answer this one....

Why, in APRIL 2022, did British PM Boris Johnson stop a peaceful cease fire agreement between 'lil Z and Vlad ??  Zelensky had signed / initialed the draft document with Putin before Johnson's Kiev visit.  Russia had already began moving troops away from Kiev.... The deal for Russia was going to begin withdrawing troops out of the occupied regions in exchange for Ukraine not getting into NATO but keep "security guarantees" with friendly proctors (the West).  You think British PM did this without the support and direction of Washington ??  The Brits can't tie their shoes without getting approval from big daddy America... 

To be fair to Biden, he is just a puppet of the regime.  His handlers direct him as this Admin is essentially an extension of the Obama Admin. and always has been.   

@kcblitzkrieg

The underlying decisions that Ukraine leaders made caused the conflict IMO, not what Trump or Biden did or actions they could have taken. The desire and motivation to engage with the west (and the west is NOT just the US even though we are the leaders in some sense) is the cat which forced Russia to take a stand, the resulting movie which has come out was meant to gain favor and support. Who would not support Ukraine with the narrative we saw the media make and still make, who would be against a big bad communist Russia invasion like that? How many people are going to dig and find out the root cause of the conflict in the first place?

Its like this Israel situation, you turn on the tv and see this horrible attack on innocent music festival people, nobody deserving of such an attack and you immediately think that Hamas must be destroyed and it is all the Palestine's fault...well that is the narrative we are being fed because the media is crafting that narrative and ignoring responsibility that Israel has for this regional mess and the centuries it has been going on and on and on. Same with Ukraine, we are not being told the full story just what supports a narrative and agenda..and in both cases there is not one party fully responsible and one innocent. Ukraine should not have even remotely considered testing the boundaries of their agreement unless they were willing to face Russia crushing them and that recourse. Israel should work towards peace and a path where they can exist and others can exist, that does not happen and never has. These underlying principals in both case are not about Trump being strong and Biden being weak, we are not in control of either situation and that has to do with the defiance and agendas both Ukraine and Israel have which will not be influenced. 

What would be the best position and one the US will never take is that our involvement will only be to broker a peaceful solution and help negotiate with all sides, that means no weapons it means no military assistance but it MIGHT mean help on humanitarian goals and support for the needs of the citizens outside a path of military conflict.