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    US Army Begging Soldiers to Come Back!

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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2023 - 7:57 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @Raiders22  A decade ago he was visiting and made comments about the challenges of recruiting for the military. His job was to go to colleges, high schools and general events set up to generate signing on for the military.  His view was that the requirements for the military are higher than many meet and the recruiting goals are very difficult to meet. Finding people who are both interested and able to be accepted has been increasingly difficult and I am sure now it is even much worse. Woke is a silly term in this case since the issues have less to do with partisan positioning and more to do with the lack of interest and capability of citizens to serve in the military.

    I understand and am sure he is correct even in the areas he is not in.  peace_5

    I get that it is hard to convince young guys that is the right direction for them.  Even during 'peacetime' it has never been easy.  Folks always think they have great ambitions coming out of HS.

    Unless a WWII or 9/11 causes a jump it will be hard for a young guy to realize that they are getting a good jump in life with the things they will learn and see.  It has to be convincing enough to offset the dangers and lack of money and lack of freedom their buddies back home have.  But for some it is absolutely the correct choice.

    Yes, I agree I cannot stand the term 'Woke" to start with --  I have many other terms and phrases I prefer.  But when you use it folks do know what you mean by it now. 

    I think you are right -- as I just posted above before I read this.  I do not think that is hurting the recruitment so much -- these kids are raised at school on 'woke' things now and see it everyday in life.  They do not know a life without it. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @Raiders22  A decade ago he was visiting and made comments about the challenges of recruiting for the military. His job was to go to colleges, high schools and general events set up to generate signing on for the military.  His view was that the requirements for the military are higher than many meet and the recruiting goals are very difficult to meet. Finding people who are both interested and able to be accepted has been increasingly difficult and I am sure now it is even much worse. Woke is a silly term in this case since the issues have less to do with partisan positioning and more to do with the lack of interest and capability of citizens to serve in the military.

    I understand and am sure he is correct even in the areas he is not in.  peace_5

    I get that it is hard to convince young guys that is the right direction for them.  Even during 'peacetime' it has never been easy.  Folks always think they have great ambitions coming out of HS.

    Unless a WWII or 9/11 causes a jump it will be hard for a young guy to realize that they are getting a good jump in life with the things they will learn and see.  It has to be convincing enough to offset the dangers and lack of money and lack of freedom their buddies back home have.  But for some it is absolutely the correct choice.

    Yes, I agree I cannot stand the term 'Woke" to start with --  I have many other terms and phrases I prefer.  But when you use it folks do know what you mean by it now. 

    I think you are right -- as I just posted above before I read this.  I do not think that is hurting the recruitment so much -- these kids are raised at school on 'woke' things now and see it everyday in life.  They do not know a life without it. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2023 - 8:01 PM ET #27

    @wallstreetcappers

     On another topic:  You guys need another Quarterback.  You guys had chances to win a game like that.  an_cheers

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     On another topic:  You guys need another Quarterback.  You guys had chances to win a game like that.  an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2023 - 8:23 PM ET #28

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     They owe him too much, the guy is unmotivated and mediocre, not a leader at all. I dont think this coach is tied to Kyler so I could see this bumbling ownership cut him loose and take the hit offseason.

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     They owe him too much, the guy is unmotivated and mediocre, not a leader at all. I dont think this coach is tied to Kyler so I could see this bumbling ownership cut him loose and take the hit offseason.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2023 - 8:42 PM ET #29

    @wallstreetcappers

     It is tough in a way.  He is fun to watch and easy to root for because he is small, etc.

    But another time a group needs to admit they were wrong and move on.  But wish guys like that could be talked into doing another role on the team.

    But games where average teams make so many mistakes against you -- you have to be able to win those.  They had that sort of chance today.

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     It is tough in a way.  He is fun to watch and easy to root for because he is small, etc.

    But another time a group needs to admit they were wrong and move on.  But wish guys like that could be talked into doing another role on the team.

    But games where average teams make so many mistakes against you -- you have to be able to win those.  They had that sort of chance today.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2023 - 9:31 PM ET #30

    "For years, recruiting for US military has been difficult"

    The truth is the military recruiting services missed their recruting goals in 1999, 2005, and 2018 before 2022 became the worst since Vietnam era 1973.

     

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    "For years, recruiting for US military has been difficult"

    The truth is the military recruiting services missed their recruting goals in 1999, 2005, and 2018 before 2022 became the worst since Vietnam era 1973.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2023 - 7:54 AM ET #31

    Immunization action coalition supports covid vaccination for military.  For decades, 99% of troops often receive at least a dozen different vaccines as job requirement.  Covid vaccination is consistent with military long standing policy to ensure combat readiness.  Vaccination is part of physical fitness.  Unvaccinated military is more vulnerable and weaker.  Weak excuse to refuse vaccines proven to be safe and effective.  Lifting vaccine mandate is a political decision not supported by doctors and defense department.  US defense department survey reveals that a large majority of potential recruits said vaccine mandate did not affect the likelihood of enrollment.

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    Immunization action coalition supports covid vaccination for military.  For decades, 99% of troops often receive at least a dozen different vaccines as job requirement.  Covid vaccination is consistent with military long standing policy to ensure combat readiness.  Vaccination is part of physical fitness.  Unvaccinated military is more vulnerable and weaker.  Weak excuse to refuse vaccines proven to be safe and effective.  Lifting vaccine mandate is a political decision not supported by doctors and defense department.  US defense department survey reveals that a large majority of potential recruits said vaccine mandate did not affect the likelihood of enrollment.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2023 - 9:02 AM ET #32

    I have no problems with actual vaccines. Mumps vaccine is said to be 90% effective in preventing mumps. Polio vax is 99% effective. Measel vax is 99% effective.

    When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated I question whether it truely is a vaccine or just a specific flu shot. 

    And I disagree with the Op on a few points. The original vaccine was very effective with the original COVID. Saved thousand of elderly lives early on. The CDC and Fauci warned early on that a mutation could undo all we have gained. And sure enough Delta did just that and Omicron took it one step further. Yet when Delta hit and the numbers were in that it bypassed the vaccine this Admin outright lied and said get vaxed and you won't go to hospital, or die, or even get COVID. They continued to force the vaccination on whoever they could. They used data from Jan 2021, before Delta, to say "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Outright deception and lies.

    I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Never can I trust them again. 

     

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    I have no problems with actual vaccines. Mumps vaccine is said to be 90% effective in preventing mumps. Polio vax is 99% effective. Measel vax is 99% effective.

    When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated I question whether it truely is a vaccine or just a specific flu shot. 

    And I disagree with the Op on a few points. The original vaccine was very effective with the original COVID. Saved thousand of elderly lives early on. The CDC and Fauci warned early on that a mutation could undo all we have gained. And sure enough Delta did just that and Omicron took it one step further. Yet when Delta hit and the numbers were in that it bypassed the vaccine this Admin outright lied and said get vaxed and you won't go to hospital, or die, or even get COVID. They continued to force the vaccination on whoever they could. They used data from Jan 2021, before Delta, to say "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Outright deception and lies.

    I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Never can I trust them again. 

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2023 - 9:20 AM ET #33

    End of January 2022 wife and I travel to Vegas. A typical day in a casino. "Sir, you need a mask on. Oh, your smoking? Ok, you can drop your mask to smoke, everbody else mask up!" an_eek2

    So the wife and I seek out a corner in the casino where nobody else are sitting to have some social distancing. After a few minutes another couple ploops down right next to me. Hey I said, how about moving down a couple of machines for social distancing? "Ah, we're bulletproof, vaccinated and boostered the man proudly proclaims!" As we are leaving my wife says to him, " You'll get it for sure."

    So how many vaccinated and boostered thought that way? How many died because of it? Hmmmm.

    Then I read Nevada had strict rules on mandatory masking. Only after a least two weeks of very low new infections numbers would the mask mandate be lifted (for nonsmokers). Following the science I was told. At that time looking at the current infection rate this was no chance of reaching the low numbers needed in the forseeable future. Next day Governor Sisolak removes the mask mandate, it's Superbowl week don't ya know! an_eek2

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    End of January 2022 wife and I travel to Vegas. A typical day in a casino. "Sir, you need a mask on. Oh, your smoking? Ok, you can drop your mask to smoke, everbody else mask up!" an_eek2

    So the wife and I seek out a corner in the casino where nobody else are sitting to have some social distancing. After a few minutes another couple ploops down right next to me. Hey I said, how about moving down a couple of machines for social distancing? "Ah, we're bulletproof, vaccinated and boostered the man proudly proclaims!" As we are leaving my wife says to him, " You'll get it for sure."

    So how many vaccinated and boostered thought that way? How many died because of it? Hmmmm.

    Then I read Nevada had strict rules on mandatory masking. Only after a least two weeks of very low new infections numbers would the mask mandate be lifted (for nonsmokers). Following the science I was told. At that time looking at the current infection rate this was no chance of reaching the low numbers needed in the forseeable future. Next day Governor Sisolak removes the mask mandate, it's Superbowl week don't ya know! an_eek2

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2023 - 7:15 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    End of January 2022 wife and I travel to Vegas. A typical day in a casino. "Sir, you need a mask on. Oh, your smoking? Ok, you can drop your mask to smoke, everbody else mask up!"  So the wife and I seek out a corner in the casino where nobody else are sitting to have some social distancing. After a few minutes another couple ploops down right next to me. Hey I said, how about moving down a couple of machines for social distancing? "Ah, we're bulletproof, vaccinated and boostered the man proudly proclaims!" As we are leaving my wife says to him, " You'll get it for sure." So how many vaccinated and boostered thought that way? How many died because of it? Hmmmm. Then I read Nevada had strict rules on mandatory masking. Only after a least two weeks of very low new infections numbers would the mask mandate be lifted (for nonsmokers). Following the science I was told. At that time looking at the current infection rate this was no chance of reaching the low numbers needed in the forseeable future. Next day Governor Sisolak removes the mask mandate, it's Superbowl week don't ya know!

    In Minnesota alone, 1,856 fully vaccinated died in the 8 months after Joe said get vaxed and won't even get COVID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    End of January 2022 wife and I travel to Vegas. A typical day in a casino. "Sir, you need a mask on. Oh, your smoking? Ok, you can drop your mask to smoke, everbody else mask up!"  So the wife and I seek out a corner in the casino where nobody else are sitting to have some social distancing. After a few minutes another couple ploops down right next to me. Hey I said, how about moving down a couple of machines for social distancing? "Ah, we're bulletproof, vaccinated and boostered the man proudly proclaims!" As we are leaving my wife says to him, " You'll get it for sure." So how many vaccinated and boostered thought that way? How many died because of it? Hmmmm. Then I read Nevada had strict rules on mandatory masking. Only after a least two weeks of very low new infections numbers would the mask mandate be lifted (for nonsmokers). Following the science I was told. At that time looking at the current infection rate this was no chance of reaching the low numbers needed in the forseeable future. Next day Governor Sisolak removes the mask mandate, it's Superbowl week don't ya know!

    In Minnesota alone, 1,856 fully vaccinated died in the 8 months after Joe said get vaxed and won't even get COVID.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2023 - 9:40 PM ET #35

    Many of our soldiers are stationed overseas and away from their families during the holidays. Imagine not having your Mom or Dad with you on Christmas morning. Well, I learned of a way to bring these soldiers closer to their kids on Christmas via the USO.

    For $59 an overseas soldiers can read a bedtime story on camera to their child back home. Many soldiers can't afford to "splurge" on this gift & we can all help by going to the USO website. Imagine giving a gift to a family that you don't even know. Think about seeing your Dad/Mom on Christmas morning even though they are miles away from home. How cool is that?

    If you need anymore info, just let me know.

    peace_5

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    Many of our soldiers are stationed overseas and away from their families during the holidays. Imagine not having your Mom or Dad with you on Christmas morning. Well, I learned of a way to bring these soldiers closer to their kids on Christmas via the USO.

    For $59 an overseas soldiers can read a bedtime story on camera to their child back home. Many soldiers can't afford to "splurge" on this gift & we can all help by going to the USO website. Imagine giving a gift to a family that you don't even know. Think about seeing your Dad/Mom on Christmas morning even though they are miles away from home. How cool is that?

    If you need anymore info, just let me know.

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Many of our soldiers are stationed overseas and away from their families during the holidays. Imagine not having your Mom or Dad with you on Christmas morning. Well, I learned of a way to bring these soldiers closer to their kids on Christmas via the USO. For $59 an overseas soldiers can read a bedtime story on camera to their child back home. Many soldiers can't afford to "splurge" on this gift & we can all help by going to the USO website. Imagine giving a gift to a family that you don't even know. Think about seeing your Dad/Mom on Christmas morning even though they are miles away from home. How cool is that? If you need anymore info, just let me know.
    Count me in.  Please  send  relevent info via PM, would you pal. peace_5

    YOU would know what it's like first hand, having done a tour in NAM an_speechless

    KellyM and me were just weekend warriors..... but we always support our M&WiU despite fascists like trump calling our fallen soldiers "losers" and "suckers"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Many of our soldiers are stationed overseas and away from their families during the holidays. Imagine not having your Mom or Dad with you on Christmas morning. Well, I learned of a way to bring these soldiers closer to their kids on Christmas via the USO. For $59 an overseas soldiers can read a bedtime story on camera to their child back home. Many soldiers can't afford to "splurge" on this gift & we can all help by going to the USO website. Imagine giving a gift to a family that you don't even know. Think about seeing your Dad/Mom on Christmas morning even though they are miles away from home. How cool is that? If you need anymore info, just let me know.
    Count me in.  Please  send  relevent info via PM, would you pal. peace_5

    YOU would know what it's like first hand, having done a tour in NAM an_speechless

    KellyM and me were just weekend warriors..... but we always support our M&WiU despite fascists like trump calling our fallen soldiers "losers" and "suckers"

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 4:13 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

      Polio vax is 99% effective. Measel vax is 99% effective. When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated I question whether it truely is a vaccine or just a specific flu shot. 

    Some vaccines last a lifetime while others don't.  Measles, polio and smallpox viruses are stable with low mutation rates.  However viruses that mutate often like influenza requires a different flu shot every year.  All vaccines are still formidable tools in reducing human suffering and prolonging life.  Hundreds of thousands of covid deaths could have been prevented if more Americans have been vaccinated.  Studies comparing covid rates among boosted individuals versus unvaccinated individuals have found 55% to 99% lower risk of severe illness among those who are fully boosted with updated vaccines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

      Polio vax is 99% effective. Measel vax is 99% effective. When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated I question whether it truely is a vaccine or just a specific flu shot. 

    Some vaccines last a lifetime while others don't.  Measles, polio and smallpox viruses are stable with low mutation rates.  However viruses that mutate often like influenza requires a different flu shot every year.  All vaccines are still formidable tools in reducing human suffering and prolonging life.  Hundreds of thousands of covid deaths could have been prevented if more Americans have been vaccinated.  Studies comparing covid rates among boosted individuals versus unvaccinated individuals have found 55% to 99% lower risk of severe illness among those who are fully boosted with updated vaccines.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 8:41 AM ET #38

    However viruses that mutate often like influenza requires a different flu shot every year......boosted with updated vaccines.

     

    Thank you, you validated my point.

    And by the time a shot for a specific strain is developed and released a new strain emerges and again 6 of 10 that die had the latest shot. 

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    However viruses that mutate often like influenza requires a different flu shot every year......boosted with updated vaccines.

     

    Thank you, you validated my point.

    And by the time a shot for a specific strain is developed and released a new strain emerges and again 6 of 10 that die had the latest shot. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 8:46 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:   Polio vax is 99% effective. Measel vax is 99% effective. When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated I question whether it truely is a vaccine or just a specific flu shot.  Some vaccines last a lifetime while others don't.  Measles, polio and smallpox viruses are stable with low mutation rates.  However viruses that mutate often like influenza requires a different flu shot every year.  All vaccines are still formidable tools in reducing human suffering and prolonging life.  Hundreds of thousands of covid deaths could have been prevented if more Americans have been vaccinated.  Studies comparing covid rates among boosted individuals versus unvaccinated individuals have found 55% to 99% lower risk of severe illness among those who are fully boosted with updated vaccines.

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     Thank you. You validated THE point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:   Polio vax is 99% effective. Measel vax is 99% effective. When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated I question whether it truely is a vaccine or just a specific flu shot.  Some vaccines last a lifetime while others don't.  Measles, polio and smallpox viruses are stable with low mutation rates.  However viruses that mutate often like influenza requires a different flu shot every year.  All vaccines are still formidable tools in reducing human suffering and prolonging life.  Hundreds of thousands of covid deaths could have been prevented if more Americans have been vaccinated.  Studies comparing covid rates among boosted individuals versus unvaccinated individuals have found 55% to 99% lower risk of severe illness among those who are fully boosted with updated vaccines.

    @thirdperson

     Thank you. You validated THE point.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 9:26 AM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated. They continued to force the vaccination on whoever they could.

    This finding actually underscore the importance of staying up-to-date on vaccines.  Since both natural and vaccine immunity diminish over time, boosting is needed to maintain immunity.  Maximum effectiveness of vaccination usually require populations to be vaccinated for many years. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated. They continued to force the vaccination on whoever they could.

    This finding actually underscore the importance of staying up-to-date on vaccines.  Since both natural and vaccine immunity diminish over time, boosting is needed to maintain immunity.  Maximum effectiveness of vaccination usually require populations to be vaccinated for many years. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 9:32 AM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: ... but we always support our M&WiU despite fascists like trump calling our fallen soldiers "losers" and "suckers"

     

    ARROGANT Joe Biden calling troops "stupid bastards" and a dull bunch", must be slow".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: ... but we always support our M&WiU despite fascists like trump calling our fallen soldiers "losers" and "suckers"

     

    ARROGANT Joe Biden calling troops "stupid bastards" and a dull bunch", must be slow".

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 9:33 AM ET #42

    Now show us all Trump saying troops are suckers and losers. lie

     

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    Now show us all Trump saying troops are suckers and losers. lie

     

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 9:50 AM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated. They continued to force the vaccination on whoever they could.

     

     

    This finding actually underscore the importance of staying up-to-date on vaccines.  Since both natural and vaccine immunity diminish over time, boosting is needed to maintain immunity.  Maximum effectiveness of vaccination usually require populations to be vaccinated for many years.

    @thirdperson

     This just makes sense, but will be opposed by many simply because the a dem admin recommends it.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: When 6 out 10 COVID deaths are the vaccinated. They continued to force the vaccination on whoever they could.

     

     

    This finding actually underscore the importance of staying up-to-date on vaccines.  Since both natural and vaccine immunity diminish over time, boosting is needed to maintain immunity.  Maximum effectiveness of vaccination usually require populations to be vaccinated for many years.

    @thirdperson

     This just makes sense, but will be opposed by many simply because the a dem admin recommends it.

     

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