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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2023 - 9:20 PM ET #2126

    Russia needs to be defeated in Ukraine. 

    This will send a clear message to north Korea and China who once viewed Russian military as an actual elite professional military. 

    The world can see how ineffective Russian weapon systems really are. Their conventional wrooon systems are trash. 

    Their leader is a mad man bent on destroying Russian integrity and image. No wonder old Donnie and putin got along they have so much in common. 

    Complete trash.

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    Russia needs to be defeated in Ukraine. 

    This will send a clear message to north Korea and China who once viewed Russian military as an actual elite professional military. 

    The world can see how ineffective Russian weapon systems really are. Their conventional wrooon systems are trash. 

    Their leader is a mad man bent on destroying Russian integrity and image. No wonder old Donnie and putin got along they have so much in common. 

    Complete trash.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2023 - 9:07 PM ET #2127

    France working with utaly and Germany is supplying medium range Air defense system to Ukraine. 

    Macron says first-of-its-kind European missile defense system has launched in Ukraine.

    French President Emmanuel Macron announced Monday that Europe’s first medium-range anti-missile system, jointly developed by France and Italy, has been delivered and is operational in Ukraine, according to a report from French newspaper Le Monde.

    . It is intended to help Ukraine defend itself against Russian drones, missiles and planes. Le Monde compared it to the Patriot, an American missile defense system.

     

    Macron delivered the news at a meeting of defense ministers in Paris.

     

    The announcement comes four months after France and Italy said the technology was ready. In February, the two countries said they would deliver the missile system to Ukraine this spring, according to Reuters it really is Europe protecting Europe,” Macron said at the meeting, according to The

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    France working with utaly and Germany is supplying medium range Air defense system to Ukraine. 

    Macron says first-of-its-kind European missile defense system has launched in Ukraine.

    French President Emmanuel Macron announced Monday that Europe’s first medium-range anti-missile system, jointly developed by France and Italy, has been delivered and is operational in Ukraine, according to a report from French newspaper Le Monde.

    . It is intended to help Ukraine defend itself against Russian drones, missiles and planes. Le Monde compared it to the Patriot, an American missile defense system.

     

    Macron delivered the news at a meeting of defense ministers in Paris.

     

    The announcement comes four months after France and Italy said the technology was ready. In February, the two countries said they would deliver the missile system to Ukraine this spring, according to Reuters it really is Europe protecting Europe,” Macron said at the meeting, according to The

    Source Associated Press.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2023 - 9:13 PM ET #2128

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     Hey good to see you back and apparently healthy. an_2drinks You were away for quite a few weeks and there was some concern but glad all is fine. peace_5

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     Hey good to see you back and apparently healthy. an_2drinks You were away for quite a few weeks and there was some concern but glad all is fine. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2023 - 9:22 PM ET #2129

    , as the official website of the Italian Army explains “stems from the need to have a medium-range missile system adapted to operate in new scenarios operational” with driving factors such as, for example, reduced reaction times in the face of enemy air threats, great mobility and the possibility of adapting the device according to times commensurate with the dynamism of the maneuver. The Italian army has five batteries supplied, which entered service from 2013 and which have already been deployed in complex operational scenarios, not just training. In 2015, in fact, one of these batteries was set up to be used in the capital during the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy. A second, almost at the same time and until 2019, was taken to Turkey, in the city of Kahramanmaras, as part of NATO's "Active Fence" mission with the mission of intercepting tactical ballistic missiles coming from from Syria.

     

    The one sent to Ukraine is the “Mamba” version sent to help Ukraine counter attacks from Russian drones, missiles and planes. With this system, its radar and its launchers armed with eight Aster missiles with a range of about 100 km. A French soldier engaged in exercises in Romania in December declared that with this system “we can counter a wide range of air threats: short-range ballistic missiles, fighter jets, helicopters, drones and even salvoes of missiles of multi-strike cruise“.

     

    The batteries have been in heavy demand by kyiv in recent months, especially after Russian attacks intensified last fall with Iranian-made solutions. A Mamba system has already been deployed in Romania to protect the highly strategic port of Konstanz on the Black Sea, a precaution that NATO wanted to adopt in the event of errors and/or risky maneuvers by Russia against an EU country. Atlantic Alliance.

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    , as the official website of the Italian Army explains “stems from the need to have a medium-range missile system adapted to operate in new scenarios operational” with driving factors such as, for example, reduced reaction times in the face of enemy air threats, great mobility and the possibility of adapting the device according to times commensurate with the dynamism of the maneuver. The Italian army has five batteries supplied, which entered service from 2013 and which have already been deployed in complex operational scenarios, not just training. In 2015, in fact, one of these batteries was set up to be used in the capital during the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy. A second, almost at the same time and until 2019, was taken to Turkey, in the city of Kahramanmaras, as part of NATO's "Active Fence" mission with the mission of intercepting tactical ballistic missiles coming from from Syria.

     

    The one sent to Ukraine is the “Mamba” version sent to help Ukraine counter attacks from Russian drones, missiles and planes. With this system, its radar and its launchers armed with eight Aster missiles with a range of about 100 km. A French soldier engaged in exercises in Romania in December declared that with this system “we can counter a wide range of air threats: short-range ballistic missiles, fighter jets, helicopters, drones and even salvoes of missiles of multi-strike cruise“.

     

    The batteries have been in heavy demand by kyiv in recent months, especially after Russian attacks intensified last fall with Iranian-made solutions. A Mamba system has already been deployed in Romania to protect the highly strategic port of Konstanz on the Black Sea, a precaution that NATO wanted to adopt in the event of errors and/or risky maneuvers by Russia against an EU country. Atlantic Alliance.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2023 - 9:35 PM ET #2130

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    @nature1970  Hey good to see you back and apparently healthy.  You were away for quite a few weeks and there was some concern but glad all is fine.

    Thank you for your concern funah2 and yes i am healthy and working. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    @nature1970  Hey good to see you back and apparently healthy.  You were away for quite a few weeks and there was some concern but glad all is fine.

    Thank you for your concern funah2 and yes i am healthy and working. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2023 - 12:05 PM ET #2131

    Russias attack against kyiv has been neutralized as it waves of Iranian junk drones were wiped by air defense.

    Meanwhile Russia facing losses of equipment personal and land in North and South as Ukraine engages enemy along a 1000 mile front.. 

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    Russias attack against kyiv has been neutralized as it waves of Iranian junk drones were wiped by air defense.

    Meanwhile Russia facing losses of equipment personal and land in North and South as Ukraine engages enemy along a 1000 mile front.. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2023 - 7:31 PM ET #2132

    A wropon could be created to effectively end thos war 

    EMP is not radioactive, but a pulse of energy .

    EMP has no known effect on living organisms, but can temporarily or permanently disable electrical and electronic equipment..

    An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also a transient electromagnetic disturbance (TED), is a brief burst of electromagnetic energy. The origin of an EMP can be natural or artificial, and can occur as an electromagnetic field, as an electric field, as a magnetic field, or as a conducted electric current. The electromagnetic interference caused by an EMP can disrupt communications and damage electronic equipment. An EMP such as a lightning strike can physically damage objects such as buildings and aircraft. The management of EMP effects is a branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

    The first recorded damage from an electromagnetic pulse came with the solar storm of August 1859, or the Carrington Event.[1]

    In modern warfare, weapons delivering a high energy EMP pulse are designed to disrupt [2] communications equipment, the computers needed to operate modern warplanes, or even put the entire electrical network of a target country out of commission.

    The emp could w I permanently out all electrical devices in any air craft rendering dead duck in sky.... 

     

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    A wropon could be created to effectively end thos war 

    EMP is not radioactive, but a pulse of energy .

    EMP has no known effect on living organisms, but can temporarily or permanently disable electrical and electronic equipment..

    An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also a transient electromagnetic disturbance (TED), is a brief burst of electromagnetic energy. The origin of an EMP can be natural or artificial, and can occur as an electromagnetic field, as an electric field, as a magnetic field, or as a conducted electric current. The electromagnetic interference caused by an EMP can disrupt communications and damage electronic equipment. An EMP such as a lightning strike can physically damage objects such as buildings and aircraft. The management of EMP effects is a branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

    The first recorded damage from an electromagnetic pulse came with the solar storm of August 1859, or the Carrington Event.[1]

    In modern warfare, weapons delivering a high energy EMP pulse are designed to disrupt [2] communications equipment, the computers needed to operate modern warplanes, or even put the entire electrical network of a target country out of commission.

    The emp could w I permanently out all electrical devices in any air craft rendering dead duck in sky.... 

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2023 - 1:25 AM ET #2133

    The European Union proposed a four-year financial assistance package for Ukraine worth $55 billion, the union's commission president said in a news conference Tuesday. 

     

    The assistance will be administered through loans and grants, EU President Ursula von der Leyen said. It aims to provide Ukraine with "perspective and predictability" as well as “incentivize other donors to step up” their support. 

     

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    The European Union proposed a four-year financial assistance package for Ukraine worth $55 billion, the union's commission president said in a news conference Tuesday. 

     

    The assistance will be administered through loans and grants, EU President Ursula von der Leyen said. It aims to provide Ukraine with "perspective and predictability" as well as “incentivize other donors to step up” their support. 

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2023 - 7:57 PM ET #2134

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russias attack against kyiv has been neutralized as it waves of Iranian junk drones were wiped by air defense. Meanwhile Russia facing losses of equipment personal and land in North and South as Ukraine engages enemy along a 1000 mile front..

    Up date. 

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-helicopter-mi-24-1808341

    Ukraine also said on Thursday that Russia had launched 44 missile and air strikes over the previous day but that all the Iranian Shahed UAVs, known as "suicide drones," had been intercepted.

    It comes as Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front on June 21, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) reported.

    The think tank also echoed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's comments to the BBC that the counteroffensive operations was moving slower than expected, but Ukrainian forces "are likely successfully setting conditions for a future main effort despite initial setbacks."


    Marina Miron, a post-doctoral researcher in the Department of War Studies at King's College London, told Newsweek Ukraine's gains "can be assessed only when the military objective is achieved— this goes for both sides, as any progress is not definite unless you can hold the territory you 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russias attack against kyiv has been neutralized as it waves of Iranian junk drones were wiped by air defense. Meanwhile Russia facing losses of equipment personal and land in North and South as Ukraine engages enemy along a 1000 mile front..

    Up date. 

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-helicopter-mi-24-1808341

    Ukraine also said on Thursday that Russia had launched 44 missile and air strikes over the previous day but that all the Iranian Shahed UAVs, known as "suicide drones," had been intercepted.

    It comes as Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front on June 21, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) reported.

    The think tank also echoed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's comments to the BBC that the counteroffensive operations was moving slower than expected, but Ukrainian forces "are likely successfully setting conditions for a future main effort despite initial setbacks."


    Marina Miron, a post-doctoral researcher in the Department of War Studies at King's College London, told Newsweek Ukraine's gains "can be assessed only when the military objective is achieved— this goes for both sides, as any progress is not definite unless you can hold the territory you 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2023 - 8:53 PM ET #2135

    We are " only" 2,100 posts deep in this thread... and how many more ? 

    How wonderful would it have been to have a president that could've  stood up to Putin.   But, no.. Biden the appeaser rolled out the red carpet for Putin to do his dirty work and invade.

    This thread likely doesn't exist if you " Trump haters"  hadn't voted for Biden.   The people of Ukraine and the world think you have done them a disservice.  

    Carry on w your useless thread and talking about how many more    billions of tax payer dollars will be spent.  

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    We are " only" 2,100 posts deep in this thread... and how many more ? 

    How wonderful would it have been to have a president that could've  stood up to Putin.   But, no.. Biden the appeaser rolled out the red carpet for Putin to do his dirty work and invade.

    This thread likely doesn't exist if you " Trump haters"  hadn't voted for Biden.   The people of Ukraine and the world think you have done them a disservice.  

    Carry on w your useless thread and talking about how many more    billions of tax payer dollars will be spent.  

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2023 - 9:22 PM ET #2136

    No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.  

    See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county... 

    So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  .

    You've been tricked. 

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    No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.  

    See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county... 

    So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  .

    You've been tricked. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2023 - 9:24 PM ET #2137

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.   See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county...  So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  . You've been tricked.

    peace_5      an_clap

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.   See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county...  So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  . You've been tricked.

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    No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.   See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county...  So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  . You've been tricked.

    So we are debating whether we are "the biggest donor"  of taxpayer dollars  ? 

    How did you miss the point ?   I am pissed off we are spending "ANY" of our taxpayer dollars at all.  

    Go reread post#2135 again !! an_light

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    No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.   See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county...  So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  . You've been tricked.

    So we are debating whether we are "the biggest donor"  of taxpayer dollars  ? 

    How did you miss the point ?   I am pissed off we are spending "ANY" of our taxpayer dollars at all.  

    Go reread post#2135 again !! an_light

     
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    Actually the US is the biggest donor to Ukraine, far more than the entire European Union.

    And for that we get millions displaced, cities, bridges,......dams, gas piplines full of gas destroyed! Hundreds of thousands killed! an_clap Everyday we get to see videos of Russian soldiers getting killed by drones. Isn't that cool!!!!

    Now the Wagner Group may take over Russia and have control over all those nukes. Doesn't that make you feel better?

    If it doesn't your an orange man loving Putin stooge!!! 

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    Actually the US is the biggest donor to Ukraine, far more than the entire European Union.

    And for that we get millions displaced, cities, bridges,......dams, gas piplines full of gas destroyed! Hundreds of thousands killed! an_clap Everyday we get to see videos of Russian soldiers getting killed by drones. Isn't that cool!!!!

    Now the Wagner Group may take over Russia and have control over all those nukes. Doesn't that make you feel better?

    If it doesn't your an orange man loving Putin stooge!!! 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2023 - 9:57 AM ET #2140

    Liberal loonies are perfectly fine spending billions of dollars for Ukraine , in a war that never posed any threat to the United States.   Contrast that w the war in Afghanistan which they bitch and moan about the money spent , and a country that housed a terrorist group " that did declare war on the U.S." 

    Quite an important difference lost on the lefties 

     

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    Liberal loonies are perfectly fine spending billions of dollars for Ukraine , in a war that never posed any threat to the United States.   Contrast that w the war in Afghanistan which they bitch and moan about the money spent , and a country that housed a terrorist group " that did declare war on the U.S." 

    Quite an important difference lost on the lefties 

     

     
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     .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good.

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     .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good.

     
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     Also I notice you what to pick and choose validity of a war by which party is in power! Wake up they are both the same! The way I see it why United States always fighting a war somewhere?……………….Its be because war is profitable. The approval rating of the military is Though the roof ! How do we explain this?  1st It’s comprised with are Family, Friends,Neighbors & Country men & women 2nd We are Ignorant to Very important Facts. Americans today have no idea how the military operates, how the defense budget is spent. 3rd, They just know they should respect the military. President Eisenhower was So Right…….And he was a General + A President!…….And A Republican!

     

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     Also I notice you what to pick and choose validity of a war by which party is in power! Wake up they are both the same! The way I see it why United States always fighting a war somewhere?……………….Its be because war is profitable. The approval rating of the military is Though the roof ! How do we explain this?  1st It’s comprised with are Family, Friends,Neighbors & Country men & women 2nd We are Ignorant to Very important Facts. Americans today have no idea how the military operates, how the defense budget is spent. 3rd, They just know they should respect the military. President Eisenhower was So Right…….And he was a General + A President!…….And A Republican!

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2023 - 12:23 PM ET #2143

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    Putin's plane reportedly departs from Moscow to Valdai, disappears from radars--Media*

    *https://www.yahoo.com/news/putins-plane-reportedly-departs-moscow-133300722.html

    Regardless the authenticity, Vladmir Putin's regime has faced tremendous pressure from his own. Rebellion of Yevgeny Prigozhin's Wagner forces has advanced toward Moscow, Putin's cruel long war against Ukraine has made Russians suffered unwanted casualty and economic hardship. Putin must go. 

     

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    Putin's plane reportedly departs from Moscow to Valdai, disappears from radars--Media*

    *https://www.yahoo.com/news/putins-plane-reportedly-departs-moscow-133300722.html

    Regardless the authenticity, Vladmir Putin's regime has faced tremendous pressure from his own. Rebellion of Yevgeny Prigozhin's Wagner forces has advanced toward Moscow, Putin's cruel long war against Ukraine has made Russians suffered unwanted casualty and economic hardship. Putin must go. 

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2023 - 12:33 PM ET #2144

    Zelensky is no savior to democracy. His approval rating was in the toilet before the war. I see him either a military dictator after the war or thrown out by his own people.

    Ukraine, like Russia were and are hotbeds of corruption. Now we seem to be too. There is a reason Hunter landed there. an_light Same reason NATO had refused Ukraine in the first place, corruption.

    And Afghanistan. We go in that midevil country and show them lifestyles they have been taught for centuries as evil and wonder why the Taliban just walks right in. So stupid to believe the rest of world will think like todays liberials.

    Often think if forced to decide what rule to live under I would chose Taliban rule over mayor of San Francisco rule any day. an_lightLessor of the evils.

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    Zelensky is no savior to democracy. His approval rating was in the toilet before the war. I see him either a military dictator after the war or thrown out by his own people.

    Ukraine, like Russia were and are hotbeds of corruption. Now we seem to be too. There is a reason Hunter landed there. an_light Same reason NATO had refused Ukraine in the first place, corruption.

    And Afghanistan. We go in that midevil country and show them lifestyles they have been taught for centuries as evil and wonder why the Taliban just walks right in. So stupid to believe the rest of world will think like todays liberials.

    Often think if forced to decide what rule to live under I would chose Taliban rule over mayor of San Francisco rule any day. an_lightLessor of the evils.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2023 - 3:25 PM ET #2145

    the mercenary group controlling the country's more than 4,000 nuclear warheads.

    Wagner abandoned their posts in Ukraine halted March to Moscow and are in charge GG e of the southern command in roskodon.. 

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    the mercenary group controlling the country's more than 4,000 nuclear warheads.

    Wagner abandoned their posts in Ukraine halted March to Moscow and are in charge GG e of the southern command in roskodon.. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.   See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county...  So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  . You've been tricked. So we are debating whether we are "the biggest donor"  of taxpayer dollars  ?  How did you miss the point ?   I am pissed off we are spending "ANY" of our taxpayer dollars at all.   Go reread post#2135 again !!

     

    Not a single tax dollar or an American soldier will be used if Wagner destroys Moscow....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: No rush Ukraine isn't receiving just us tax dollars oh no... USA isn't even the biggest supplier it is the European union.   See the patriot missile system no not our country or our firms France and Italy took lead. Not our m1 abrams... those are months down the road. English leopard tanks... we did supply artillery and humanitarian assistance... but we are not the principal donor of weopon or money it is the European union that stepped up for Europe's concern for a European county...  So when did you become a communist sympathetic cause the big orange man told you so.. look in the mirror and say I support former kgb agent putting policy..... and actually witness what your saying.  . You've been tricked. So we are debating whether we are "the biggest donor"  of taxpayer dollars  ?  How did you miss the point ?   I am pissed off we are spending "ANY" of our taxpayer dollars at all.   Go reread post#2135 again !!

     

    Not a single tax dollar or an American soldier will be used if Wagner destroys Moscow....

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2023 - 3:28 PM ET #2147

    Right now would be a great time for france to nuke the Kremlin we could blame Wagner for it....

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    Right now would be a great time for france to nuke the Kremlin we could blame Wagner for it....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @nature1970  Putin's plane reportedly departs from Moscow to Valdai, disappears from radars--Media* *https://www.yahoo.com/news/putins-plane-reportedly-departs-moscow-133300722.html Regardless the authenticity, Vladmir Putin's regime has faced tremendous pressure from his own. Rebellion of Yevgeny Prigozhin's Wagner forces has advanced toward Moscow, Putin's cruel long war against Ukraine has made Russians suffered unwanted casualty and economic hardship. Putin must go.

     

    Can Ukrainian Coulee offensive reach birder with eussia by end of rhe end of the weekend in their couteroffensuve. 

    Zelwnsky should struke with everything against the weakened demoralized and limited strength of their army with the 35000 loss of soldiers in the Wagner group. 

    Russians want to call them nazis...well good time to blitzkrieg em boys....

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    @nature1970  Putin's plane reportedly departs from Moscow to Valdai, disappears from radars--Media* *https://www.yahoo.com/news/putins-plane-reportedly-departs-moscow-133300722.html Regardless the authenticity, Vladmir Putin's regime has faced tremendous pressure from his own. Rebellion of Yevgeny Prigozhin's Wagner forces has advanced toward Moscow, Putin's cruel long war against Ukraine has made Russians suffered unwanted casualty and economic hardship. Putin must go.

     

    Can Ukrainian Coulee offensive reach birder with eussia by end of rhe end of the weekend in their couteroffensuve. 

    Zelwnsky should struke with everything against the weakened demoralized and limited strength of their army with the 35000 loss of soldiers in the Wagner group. 

    Russians want to call them nazis...well good time to blitzkrieg em boys....

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2023 - 6:23 PM ET #2149

    Munitineed army is redeployment to Belarus. 

    Wagner given immunity in talks between Russia and Belarus 25000 soldiers are redeployment after from southern front....

     

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    Munitineed army is redeployment to Belarus. 

    Wagner given immunity in talks between Russia and Belarus 25000 soldiers are redeployment after from southern front....

     

     
     
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    Those keeping score. 

     

    Belarus could be potentially ne houingvover 8000 war heads.

    Nuclear. 

    This like a huge bunch of broke. Arrows.

    4000 deployed by Russia and the potential for additional 4000 after the Wagner raid of the southern command institutions 

    Hezbolah just needs one to create chaos 

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    Those keeping score. 

     

    Belarus could be potentially ne houingvover 8000 war heads.

    Nuclear. 

    This like a huge bunch of broke. Arrows.

    4000 deployed by Russia and the potential for additional 4000 after the Wagner raid of the southern command institutions 

    Hezbolah just needs one to create chaos 

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