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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2023 - 5:56 AM ET #2176

    @Europa

     It's just crazy. Putin's power has weakened, that's a fact. But I don't believe in this circus. Why was it necessary to publicly challenge the regime, go to Moscow, and then talk to Lukashenka and change his mind. It's a circus, unfortunately. I do not really believe that Russia is capable of staging a rebellion to overthrow Putin from power.
    It is very sad, but a 70-year-old man forced young people to fight, many of whom died. someone was left disabled .. What is this war for? why does the one with not so much left start a war in which those who still have a whole life to die will die??
    Sorry for my outburst of emotions

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    @Europa

     It's just crazy. Putin's power has weakened, that's a fact. But I don't believe in this circus. Why was it necessary to publicly challenge the regime, go to Moscow, and then talk to Lukashenka and change his mind. It's a circus, unfortunately. I do not really believe that Russia is capable of staging a rebellion to overthrow Putin from power.
    It is very sad, but a 70-year-old man forced young people to fight, many of whom died. someone was left disabled .. What is this war for? why does the one with not so much left start a war in which those who still have a whole life to die will die??
    Sorry for my outburst of emotions

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2023 - 5:57 AM ET #2177

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     Forgive my unsolicited advice, but I would not recommend reading Russian news. Too much of what they write is then exposed and turns out to be lies and manipulation

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    @nature1970

     Forgive my unsolicited advice, but I would not recommend reading Russian news. Too much of what they write is then exposed and turns out to be lies and manipulation

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2023 - 2:38 PM ET #2178

    Ukraine and US is much more corrupt than Russia!!!!   It's US politicians who left people in Afghanistan to jump into another war they can make more money from tax paying Americans.....Wouldn't have happened under Trump but keep trusting your corrupt government and media!!!!!   Knock!

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    Ukraine and US is much more corrupt than Russia!!!!   It's US politicians who left people in Afghanistan to jump into another war they can make more money from tax paying Americans.....Wouldn't have happened under Trump but keep trusting your corrupt government and media!!!!!   Knock!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2023 - 3:09 PM ET #2179

    Quote Originally Posted by knockonwood:

    Ukraine and US is much more corrupt than Russia!!!! 

    US (24) is less corrupt than Ukraine (116) and Russia (137) according to corruption perception index from Transparency international.  Ranking of 180 countries is based on 13 different surveys from 12 different institutions.  For examples, world bank, freedom house, economist intelligence, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knockonwood:

    Ukraine and US is much more corrupt than Russia!!!! 

    US (24) is less corrupt than Ukraine (116) and Russia (137) according to corruption perception index from Transparency international.  Ranking of 180 countries is based on 13 different surveys from 12 different institutions.  For examples, world bank, freedom house, economist intelligence, etc.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2023 - 2:38 PM ET #2180

    Ukraine begins to move to crimetwe

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3732877-ukrainian-forces-advancing-on-southern-front-line-general-tarnavskyi.html

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    Ukraine begins to move to crimetwe

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3732877-ukrainian-forces-advancing-on-southern-front-line-general-tarnavskyi.html

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2023 - 9:50 AM ET #2181

    Quote Originally Posted by knockonwood:

    Ukraine and US is much more corrupt than Russia!!!!   It's US politicians who left people in Afghanistan to jump into another war they can make more money from tax paying Americans.....Wouldn't have happened under Trump but keep trusting your corrupt government and media!!!!!   Knock!

     

    That's ridiculous. We aren't more corrupt than Russia. Not more.

    Can we talk about the cluster bombs? Has that already been covered? Remember when Trump was president and everyone said he was in bed with Russia but at least we weren't fighting a proxy war with Russia and gas was half the price? And everything I the grocery store was half the price for that matter? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

    We're a different kind of corrupt than Russia. It's that you are blessed to live in a country like America that you are able to sit in the safety of your home and make statements like, "We are more corrupt than Russia." Move there then. See how you like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knockonwood:

    Ukraine and US is much more corrupt than Russia!!!!   It's US politicians who left people in Afghanistan to jump into another war they can make more money from tax paying Americans.....Wouldn't have happened under Trump but keep trusting your corrupt government and media!!!!!   Knock!

     

    That's ridiculous. We aren't more corrupt than Russia. Not more.

    Can we talk about the cluster bombs? Has that already been covered? Remember when Trump was president and everyone said he was in bed with Russia but at least we weren't fighting a proxy war with Russia and gas was half the price? And everything I the grocery store was half the price for that matter? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

    We're a different kind of corrupt than Russia. It's that you are blessed to live in a country like America that you are able to sit in the safety of your home and make statements like, "We are more corrupt than Russia." Move there then. See how you like it.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2023 - 9:53 AM ET #2182

    Does anyone actually remember the Pepperidge Farms remember commercials? I think I was too young. Doubleup started using that quote and I was like, "What in the hell are you talking about?"

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    Does anyone actually remember the Pepperidge Farms remember commercials? I think I was too young. Doubleup started using that quote and I was like, "What in the hell are you talking about?"

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2023 - 1:08 PM ET #2183

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: @Rush51  .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good. Is this the same Biden that you "admire" who layed out the red carpet for Putin to invade..  Seriously,  it's lost on so many of you that this War never had to happen,  but weak leadership has its consequences.

     

    See I clearly see a change from we shouldn't face Russia to we could be doing more in Ukraine 

    Growth sister... peace_5 

    are you putting out your black lives matter sign?probably not...do you feel old joe is a completely useless as a leader.most democrats feel this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: @Rush51  .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good. Is this the same Biden that you "admire" who layed out the red carpet for Putin to invade..  Seriously,  it's lost on so many of you that this War never had to happen,  but weak leadership has its consequences.

     

    See I clearly see a change from we shouldn't face Russia to we could be doing more in Ukraine 

    Growth sister... peace_5 

    are you putting out your black lives matter sign?probably not...do you feel old joe is a completely useless as a leader.most democrats feel this way.

     
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    On ABC news, Zelensky dismiss Trump claim that he could end the war in 24 hours.  Ukraine and Russia were already at war when Trump was president.  He had a chance to negotiate peace but didn't do anything.  If Trump meant to end the war by forcing Ukraine to cede territory, Biden could end it in 5 minutes.  But there was disagreement.  Instead Trump was more interested in finding dirt on Biden.  Defense secretary Esper said Trump didn't care that failure to deliver military aid to support Ukraine was a violation of federal law.

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    On ABC news, Zelensky dismiss Trump claim that he could end the war in 24 hours.  Ukraine and Russia were already at war when Trump was president.  He had a chance to negotiate peace but didn't do anything.  If Trump meant to end the war by forcing Ukraine to cede territory, Biden could end it in 5 minutes.  But there was disagreement.  Instead Trump was more interested in finding dirt on Biden.  Defense secretary Esper said Trump didn't care that failure to deliver military aid to support Ukraine was a violation of federal law.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2023 - 3:43 PM ET #2185

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: @Rush51  .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good. Is this the same Biden that you "admire" who layed out the red carpet for Putin to invade..  Seriously,  it's lost on so many of you that this War never had to happen,  but weak leadership has its consequences.   See I clearly see a change from we shouldn't face Russia to we could be doing more in Ukraine  Growth sister...   are you putting out your black lives matter sign?probably not...do you feel old joe is a completely useless as a leader.most democrats feel this way.

    WTH are you talking about .?  What did I say that inferred we should be doing more ?

    Your idiot of a president decides "now" is the time to ramp up his "tough guy" behavior,  when it would have been much more productive to act this way "before" war  broke out. an_light

    How do you conclude I justify sending more "dangerous " arms to Ukraine .  You're clueless  confused.... just like your dopey president 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: @Rush51  .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good. Is this the same Biden that you "admire" who layed out the red carpet for Putin to invade..  Seriously,  it's lost on so many of you that this War never had to happen,  but weak leadership has its consequences.   See I clearly see a change from we shouldn't face Russia to we could be doing more in Ukraine  Growth sister...   are you putting out your black lives matter sign?probably not...do you feel old joe is a completely useless as a leader.most democrats feel this way.

    WTH are you talking about .?  What did I say that inferred we should be doing more ?

    Your idiot of a president decides "now" is the time to ramp up his "tough guy" behavior,  when it would have been much more productive to act this way "before" war  broke out. an_light

    How do you conclude I justify sending more "dangerous " arms to Ukraine .  You're clueless  confused.... just like your dopey president 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    On ABC news, Zelensky dismiss Trump claim that he could end the war in 24 hours.  Ukraine and Russia were already at war when Trump was president.  He had a chance to negotiate peace but didn't do anything.  If Trump meant to end the war by forcing Ukraine to cede territory, Biden could end it in 5 minutes.  But there was disagreement.  Instead Trump was more interested in finding dirt on Biden.  Defense secretary Esper said Trump didn't care that failure to deliver military aid to support Ukraine was a violation of federal law.

    Perspective matters... such as when O'bama "did nothing" when Russia decided to invade in eastern Ukraine and Crimea during his presidency, and allowed this first phase of the war to break out.   It's accurate to point out that Russia "did not"  pursue their full-scale invasion until Biden was president,  so you can easily understand why it wasn't a priority for Trump,  right ? 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    On ABC news, Zelensky dismiss Trump claim that he could end the war in 24 hours.  Ukraine and Russia were already at war when Trump was president.  He had a chance to negotiate peace but didn't do anything.  If Trump meant to end the war by forcing Ukraine to cede territory, Biden could end it in 5 minutes.  But there was disagreement.  Instead Trump was more interested in finding dirt on Biden.  Defense secretary Esper said Trump didn't care that failure to deliver military aid to support Ukraine was a violation of federal law.

    Perspective matters... such as when O'bama "did nothing" when Russia decided to invade in eastern Ukraine and Crimea during his presidency, and allowed this first phase of the war to break out.   It's accurate to point out that Russia "did not"  pursue their full-scale invasion until Biden was president,  so you can easily understand why it wasn't a priority for Trump,  right ? 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: @Rush51  .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good. Is this the same Biden that you "admire" who layed out the red carpet for Putin to invade..  Seriously,  it's lost on so many of you that this War never had to happen,  but weak leadership has its consequences.   See I clearly see a change from we shouldn't face Russia to we could be doing more in Ukraine  Growth sister...   are you putting out your black lives matter sign?probably not...do you feel old joe is a completely useless as a leader.most democrats feel this way. WTH are you talking about .?  What did I say that inferred we should be doing more ? Your idiot of a president decides "now" is the time to ramp up his "tough guy" behavior,  when it would have been much more productive to act this way "before" war  broke out.  How do you conclude I justify sending more "dangerous " arms to Ukraine .  You're clueless  .... just like your dopey president

    The black k Ives matter sign you took from the neibor... your constant attack of Ukraine with the russias view... and your general comments on that the democrats are for something God knows you must oppose it...don't worry princess...

    Ukrainian army continues to advance.

    Our soldiers continue to conduct offensive actions south and north of the city of Bakhmut, entrenching themselves at the achieved boundaries,” the military said in its latest update.

    It added that more than 15 settlements, including Vasyukivka, Markove, Bohdanivka, and Khromov, came under shelling by Russian artillery.

    The military also said that the Russian Army has intensified reconnaissance and sabotage activities in the border areas near the town of Siversky.

    Meanwhile, Russia’s Kursk and Belgorod governors said the regions came under fire from Ukrainian forces across the border in the early hours of July 5, adding that no casualties were reported.

    "The town of Valuyki is under fire from Ukraine's armed forces," Belgorod Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said on Telegram early on July 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: @Rush51  .I dunno. From where I sit on Saturday morning, it seems the strategy of giving Ukraine just enough help so that they can kick Russia’s ass by themselves, letting Zelensky emerge as the savior of Western Democracy while NATO unifies and rallies and goes wild with sanctions — is making Biden look pretty good. Is this the same Biden that you "admire" who layed out the red carpet for Putin to invade..  Seriously,  it's lost on so many of you that this War never had to happen,  but weak leadership has its consequences.   See I clearly see a change from we shouldn't face Russia to we could be doing more in Ukraine  Growth sister...   are you putting out your black lives matter sign?probably not...do you feel old joe is a completely useless as a leader.most democrats feel this way. WTH are you talking about .?  What did I say that inferred we should be doing more ? Your idiot of a president decides "now" is the time to ramp up his "tough guy" behavior,  when it would have been much more productive to act this way "before" war  broke out.  How do you conclude I justify sending more "dangerous " arms to Ukraine .  You're clueless  .... just like your dopey president

    The black k Ives matter sign you took from the neibor... your constant attack of Ukraine with the russias view... and your general comments on that the democrats are for something God knows you must oppose it...don't worry princess...

    Ukrainian army continues to advance.

    Our soldiers continue to conduct offensive actions south and north of the city of Bakhmut, entrenching themselves at the achieved boundaries,” the military said in its latest update.

    It added that more than 15 settlements, including Vasyukivka, Markove, Bohdanivka, and Khromov, came under shelling by Russian artillery.

    The military also said that the Russian Army has intensified reconnaissance and sabotage activities in the border areas near the town of Siversky.

    Meanwhile, Russia’s Kursk and Belgorod governors said the regions came under fire from Ukrainian forces across the border in the early hours of July 5, adding that no casualties were reported.

    "The town of Valuyki is under fire from Ukraine's armed forces," Belgorod Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said on Telegram early on July 5.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2023 - 4:17 PM ET #2188

    Ukraine is attacing Russians in Russia now....

    I am sure you have your views of our president as manY democrats are concerned rorschach our presidents mental capacity...but all means put Trump on the b a lot and we will have 4 more years of a civil society 

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    Ukraine is attacing Russians in Russia now....

    I am sure you have your views of our president as manY democrats are concerned rorschach our presidents mental capacity...but all means put Trump on the b a lot and we will have 4 more years of a civil society 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2023 - 6:03 PM ET #2189

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Ukraine begins to move to crimetwe https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3732877-ukrainian-forces-advancing-on-southern-front-line-general-tarnavskyi.html

    an_clap

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    Ukraine begins to move to crimetwe https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3732877-ukrainian-forces-advancing-on-southern-front-line-general-tarnavskyi.html

    an_clap

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2023 - 7:35 PM ET #2190

    @kurt03

     So like CNN ap afp rueters...lol if you gather information you must look at all sides of a story to see the truth...

    But absolutely what is your method...

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     So like CNN ap afp rueters...lol if you gather information you must look at all sides of a story to see the truth...

    But absolutely what is your method...

     
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    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to Sweden's NATO bid, according to NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg. Stronger NATO will ensure more security and unity of Europe, it's a vital U.S. national security and world peace. Such a stronger NATO will deter Russian and Chinese aggressions. 

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    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to Sweden's NATO bid, according to NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg. Stronger NATO will ensure more security and unity of Europe, it's a vital U.S. national security and world peace. Such a stronger NATO will deter Russian and Chinese aggressions. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to Sweden's NATO bid, according to NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg. Stronger NATO will ensure more security and unity of Europe, it's a vital U.S. national security and world peace. Such a stronger NATO will deter Russian and Chinese aggressions.

    @Europa

     I will agree with you there!  It all started with the collapse of the Trumpism fraud & rape empire.

     

     

     

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    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to Sweden's NATO bid, according to NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg. Stronger NATO will ensure more security and unity of Europe, it's a vital U.S. national security and world peace. Such a stronger NATO will deter Russian and Chinese aggressions.

    @Europa

     I will agree with you there!  It all started with the collapse of the Trumpism fraud & rape empire.

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to Sweden's NATO bid, according to NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg. Stronger NATO will ensure more security and unity of Europe, it's a vital U.S. national security and world peace. Such a stronger NATO will deter Russian and Chinese aggressions.

    First Finland.

    Now Sweden.

    Expansion of NATO, it is widely believed, is precisely contrary to what trump's fascist buddy in Russia was hoping to achieve.

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    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to Sweden's NATO bid, according to NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg. Stronger NATO will ensure more security and unity of Europe, it's a vital U.S. national security and world peace. Such a stronger NATO will deter Russian and Chinese aggressions.

    First Finland.

    Now Sweden.

    Expansion of NATO, it is widely believed, is precisely contrary to what trump's fascist buddy in Russia was hoping to achieve.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2023 - 7:54 PM ET #2194

    Russia propaganda states Ukraine army has resorted to cannibalism...of which I feel send more Russians the last ones were delicious...pulled pork anyone?

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    Russia propaganda states Ukraine army has resorted to cannibalism...of which I feel send more Russians the last ones were delicious...pulled pork anyone?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2023 - 7:56 PM ET #2195

    O really hope this propaganda makes it to rhe front line and keeps those commies up thinking a Ukrainian might dine on their heart liver and flesh...

     

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    O really hope this propaganda makes it to rhe front line and keeps those commies up thinking a Ukrainian might dine on their heart liver and flesh...

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2023 - 9:38 PM ET #2196

    When will war end,  NATURE.... 

    That's all we care about. 

     

     

    But it bears reminding that your weak,  inept President made all this possible.  an_light

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    When will war end,  NATURE.... 

    That's all we care about. 

     

     

    But it bears reminding that your weak,  inept President made all this possible.  an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2023 - 9:55 PM ET #2197

    When Russia retreats to Russia. 

    At the rate of pace and the exportation graph that daad soldiers on russias side will accelerate the retreat. 

    Losing the slave army Wagner has changed the direction and potential o I t cometimeliness.

    Bottom Nov Dec timeline till truce cease fire and peace negotiations settle this in means of formal treaty. 

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    When Russia retreats to Russia. 

    At the rate of pace and the exportation graph that daad soldiers on russias side will accelerate the retreat. 

    Losing the slave army Wagner has changed the direction and potential o I t cometimeliness.

    Bottom Nov Dec timeline till truce cease fire and peace negotiations settle this in means of formal treaty. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2023 - 9:57 PM ET #2198

    Washington lolol.no rush.

    Europe has managed to put most of the hardware and weapons missile defense tanks in Ukraine. 

    Sleepy joe only mission is the to establish a secure location for the ice cream...

    Sorry to seem like I am picking on you ma'am 

    But I felt you should be aware of certain realities. 

     

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    Washington lolol.no rush.

    Europe has managed to put most of the hardware and weapons missile defense tanks in Ukraine. 

    Sleepy joe only mission is the to establish a secure location for the ice cream...

    Sorry to seem like I am picking on you ma'am 

    But I felt you should be aware of certain realities. 

     

     
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    You are an incoherent mess... I'm not sure what I'm supposed to make of you NATURE.  

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    You are an incoherent mess... I'm not sure what I'm supposed to make of you NATURE.  

     
     
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    But what I'm sure of is you'll never address post  # 2196....... weak 

     

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